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    Enough Money for Retirement? Even the Rich Say No

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    Fears that retirement will lead to a drop in one's standard of living due to insufficient savings isn't a concern restricted to the middle class, according to the findings of recent survey.

    Four in ten affluent Americans say their biggest fear about retirement is they "will do all the right things today and it still won't be enough for tomorrow" and 9 percent say they fear they have under saved and won't recover, according to a poll of 801 affluent Americans conducted by Harris Interactive for Wells Fargo Retirement.

    "I think we just assumed they would be in a better place for retirement," said Karen Wimbish, director of Retail Retirement at Wells Fargo.

    "Even among those considered 'well off,' many seem to fear a sharp drop in their post-retirement standard of living due to insufficient retirement savings," she said.

    Other findings of the survey:

    • About a quarter of affluent Americans say they are not confident they will have saved enough for retirement, and this is especially true for Americans with assets between $100,000 and $250,000 (33 percent) and women (31 percent).

    • Among affluent women - who are the lead drivers of America's consumer economy - two in five, or about 42 percent, say they need to significantly cut back spending today in order to save for retirement versus 34 percent for men who feel that way.

    That may be because affluent men have saved more than women, on average. The men in the survey had saved a median of $400,000 for retirement, but for women the median savings was $250,000.

    Men also feel they need more money to retire comfortably. Men put that number at a median of $750,000, while women say $500,000.

    There also isn't much difference between affluent Americans and the middle class when it comes to questions about when to retire.

    About three-quarters of the non-retired affluent Americans said having a specific amount of money dictates when one should retire, not the age one reaches.

    That was a view shared by middle-class Americans polled in Wells Fargo's annual retirement study, which was released last month. That survey said a quarter of middle-class Americans, which was defined as those earning between $25,000 and $99,000 annually, expect to work until at least age 80.

    Even among the affluent, 80 is the new 65. Nearly one in five with assets between $100,000 and $250,000 feel they will need to work until "at least age 80." Among all the affluent, 12 percent said they will work until 80 years of age.

    In the survey, Americans had to have investable assets of $100,000, excluding real estate and other property, to be considered affluent. The group surveyed was split evenly between Americans with between $100,000 and $250,000 and those with more than $250,000.

    Questions? Comments? Email us at consumernation@cnbc.com. Follow Christina Cheddar Berk on Twitter @ccheddarberk.



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    11 comments

    • axle  •  5 months ago
      I collect 40 thousand a year and live just fine
    • bobby  •  5 months ago
      It is not surprising folks with $100k to $250k feel they need more to retire. Because they do - they are not affluent. At least given disappearing defined benefit pension plans, low interest rates/stock returns, and teetering Social Security, compounded by continuing inflation in food, fuel, health care, ... costs.
    • Edward  •  5 months ago
      Will there health let them work till 80?
    • Michael K  •  5 months ago
      the reason americans need so much to retire is because if you get sick in the states it can cost you thousands upon thousands of dollars,where as here in canada we have global health care which costs us nothing except for the deductions all canadians pay out from their payroll deduction but yet the americans frown upon this type of health care but we don't have to work until we are 80 we can actually retire at 60-65 with two pensions one from provincial and other from canadian governments.capitalism is fine but we have social capitalism meaning we have social programs for all but yet the opportunity to excel in a capitalist base society the best of both worlds.
    • Rick  •  5 months ago
      I had enough and never earned close $100,000 in my life
    • ken  •  5 months ago
      If an "affluent" person is in his or her 50's and is making $100K per year, I would like to know what they have been doing with their money. They should have a lot more saved up than $250K to 500K. If they have been "living for today" beyond their means, I find it hard to feel sorry for them. They will have to pay the piper and work 'till they're 80. I guess that new car every other year, the boat, or the lake property seemed like a good idea at the time.
      • morebugs 5 months ago
        You forget there's plenty of workers, especially those working for unions and the government who get generous pensions, healthcare benefits and cost of living increases. We don't need to save much since taxpayers pay for our retirement. A $40K/year pension is like having saved $1 million and taking a 4% annual withdrawal. And our healthcare costs are 10% of what other people have to pay. Life is good.
    • A Yahoo! User  •  5 months ago
      Hate to break the bad news to these people but they will need well over 1 million to retire.Consider that they live 25 years past retirement and use 50 k a year of their savings. They better die 20 years after retirement for the last 5 years they will live off only SS
      • The_Mick 5 months ago
        Right now, they can get 3%-6% dividends from solid stocks like McDonalds or Abbott Labs or AT&T and one class of savings bonds pays 4% now. So $40K of the $50K they need comes from interest, not principal. That way their $1M would last 100 years! In reality, inflation will eat into the money faster.
    • morebugs  •  5 months ago
      "In the survey, Americans had to have investable assets of $100,000, excluding real estate and other property, to be considered affluent."
      ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
      $100K in investable assets? That's a joke. The affluent are multi-millionaires and they have enough for retirement. This article is a joke.
    • Andrew S  •  5 months ago
      This just goes to show that you can get any result you want, depending on how you set up your survey. Defining someone with with investable assets of 100K or more as "affluent" is complete idiocy. 100K of assets will get you $4,000 of annual income in retirment, on top of social security; even 500K of assets provides only $20,000 per year given standard withdrawal guidlines used by reputable financial planners. Why not define "affluent" in terms of income? Even Obama wouldn't consider you that unless your income exceeds $200,000 per year.
    • Gator  •  5 months ago
      We now have a stock market akin to Monte Carlo, government manipulated interest rates, a currency that is vulnerable to a rapid decline in value, a corrupt central government, a dysfunctional banking system and ... we're expected to plan for our retirements. I suspect that few Americans can legitimately and honestly plan for their retirements.
    • Norman  •  5 months ago
      There are several views of what defines rich; on or near the coasts you need about twice as much as a person living in the midwest for a good retirement. My idea of rich is going to a nice restrauant with your family without a coupon............

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