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Greece's grim choice: deep budget cuts or default

Greece's grim trade-off: Impose deeper spending cuts or abandon euro and default on debts

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Why would Greece accept more pain when unemployment is at 21 percent, the economy is enduring its fifth year of recession and rioters are hurling gasoline bombs in the streets of Athens?

Because the alternative might be worse.

Greek leaders are gritting their teeth as they move forward with a plan to further slash spending in return for a bailout of about $172 billion (€130 billion) from other countries in Europe and around the world. The Greek Parliament is scheduled to vote on the plan Sunday.

Greece is trapped in a lose-lose predicament: It must deepen an austerity plan begun in 2010 that will throw many more people out of work. Or it must default on its debts, abandon Europe's single currency and see its banking system implode.

"The choice we face is one of sacrifice or even greater sacrifice — on a scale that cannot be compared," Greek Finance Minister Evangelos Venizelos said.

Here is a closer look at Greece's two bleak options:

—Impose deep spending cuts in exchange for the bailout.

The pros:

Greece needs the bailout to make a $19.1 billion (€14.5 billion) bond payment due March 20. Prime Minister Lucas Papademos warned that "a disorderly default would cast our country into a catastrophic adventure."

Papademos said the plan would help lift Greece out of recession next year.

In addition to the $172 billion bailout, Greece is negotiating a deal that would reduce the roughly $264 billion in debt it owes private creditors. Under that arrangement, about $132 billion would be shaved off the national debt and Greece would get more favorable repayment terms.

Selling government-owned companies, exposing professionals like architects and pharmacists to more competition and imposing other reforms is designed to make the economy more efficient in the long run.

Even with the austerity plan in place, the International Monetary Fund estimates it will be 2020 by the time Greece can shrink its debt load to a sustainable level.

The cons:

Such austerity can be counterproductive because it can slow the economy and reduce tax revenue.

The government acknowledges that the austerity plan would cause Greece's economy to shrink 4 percent to 5 percent this year. Without it, the government would expect the economy to contract just 2.8 percent. The plan includes lowering the minimum wage by 22 percent and laying off 15,000 government workers this year.

So far, austerity has done nothing to reduce Greece's debt burden. Government debt as a percentage of the economy actually grew after it began imposing austerity — to nearly 160 percent in the July-September quarter of 2011 from 139 percent a year earlier.

"The whole plan was a losing proposition," says Dimitri Papadimitriou, president of the Levy Economics Institute and professor at Bard College.

Austerity is causing widespread hardship and inflaming social tensions. Papdimitriou worries that Greek society is "disintegrating" under the strain: "Poverty has been increasing, homeless rates have been increasing."

So have crime and suicides.

—Default and drop the euro.

The pros:

Defaulting on its debt would ease the immediate strain on Greece's finances and probably cause it to abandon the euro, the currency used by 17 countries.

Dropping the euro would leave Greece with a much cheaper currency, its own drachma. That would juice Greece's economy by making Greek products less expensive around the world. This would give Greek exporters a competitive edge.

In the 1990s, Canada used a weak currency to expand exports and grow its way out of high government debts, says Simon Tilford, chief economist at the Centre for European Reform in London. As long as it's shackled to the euro, Greece lacks that option.

Bernard Baumohl, chief global economist at the Economic Outlook Group, thinks economic and financial pressure will eventually drive Greece to drop the euro.

And he thinks that would be for the best.

"What is worse for Europe — to have this matter linger on and on, with European citizens having to continue to bail out Greece and Portugal? Or to face the reality that these countries should not have joined the euro in the first place?" Baumohl asks.

The cons:

Exiting the euro would throw Greece's banking system into chaos. Lenders would panic over the prospect of being repaid not in euros but in drachmas of dubious value. Adopting a suddenly much weaker currency could also ignite Greek inflation because prices of imported goods would soar.

International investors would be reluctant to lend to Greece's government, its companies or its banks. The freeze-up in credit could cause a depression, worse than what Greece is suffering now. Economists at UBS estimate that Greece's economy would shrink by up to 50 percent if it left the eurozone.

The pain would also likely spread as European banks absorbed losses on their loans to Greece. The worst-case scenario: A disaster akin to what followed Lehman Brothers' collapse in September 2008. Banks grew too fearful to lend to each other. Credit froze worldwide.

Some economists would like to see European governments produce a rescue package that pairs government cuts and reforms with economic aid designed to spur growth in Greece.

"When you have over 20 percent unemployment, you need to do something," Papadimitriou says.

He wants European countries to propose something like the U.S. aid plan that rescued an impoverished Europe after World War II.

"You need something similar to the Marshall Plan," Papadimitriou says.

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Rexrode reported from New York. Associated Press Writer Derek Gatopoulos contributed to this report from Athens.

 
  • Bermonkey  •  3 months ago
    Hohum Lance, that's fairly simple. Take down all of Europe and possibly America or just Greece? Simple. Cut your losses and move on, otherwise it will never end.
    • Lance 3 months ago
      I see your point. At first glance, cutting bait seems like the simple solution. However, its not that simple....If Greece leaves the EU, its economy will shrink by as much as 50%. Youl would have millions starving and living in poverty. I don't think the world will stand by and watch theat happen....Everyone loses....
    • Pedro 3 months ago
      You right, if they cut the lost and move on the problem is solve, but the finacial system never want to loose, the poor always have to be saacrafised.
    • A. M. Deist 3 months ago
      Lance: You have to be kidding me. Do you really believe the world gives a crap about people starving? Here are some statistics that might add some reality to your thinkng.

      In the Asian, African and Latin American countries, well over 500 million people are living in what the World Bank has called absolute poverty.

      Every year 15 million children die of hunger.

      One in twelve people worldwide is malnourished, including 160 million children under the age of 5.

      One out of every eight children under the age of twelve in the U.S. goes to bed hungry every night.
  • A Yahoo! User  •  3 months ago
    I have a feeling that a lot of people who think they have pensions now are not going to get them. When the average pension plan is factoring in 8% investment growth in a world where interest rates are 2-3%, that's a sign of pain ahead. The same goes for people with 401k's. If you think you are going to get more than a 2% return over the long term you are going get a surprise. You might make 25% two years in a row, but then you'll lose 50% the following year.
    • Fred Mertz 3 months ago
      I agree that 8% is perhaps overly optimistic, but people should be able to gain more than 2% over the long run.
    • LanceS 3 months ago
      Pensions can probably earn 4% per year, and inflation will run 10% per year. Within about 20 years we will have retirees living in $10 million dollar shacks with outhouses.

      But hey, we'll all be millionaires!
    • E 3 months ago
      Your analysis is sound, however, the tax on regular investment (non-Retirement) will be paid each year so you actually get less than 25%; then when you do lose 50% to gain it back you still pay the government taxes on the investment income. Rising markets are wonderful for the Govt, hence the printing press' keeping the dollar in circulation in the markets. If the QE3/4 doesn't keep pumping up market values, the govt will lose revenue and the investors their principle. The government through capital gains taxes always wins when your stock goes up; it does not take the risk but only suffers smaller returns when you lose.
  • Colin  •  3 months ago
    The price of spending more than you make! USA next! Wake up people and write your congressperson!
    • Prometheus 3 months ago
      What's the point of writing to your congressman? Tell him to eat less?
    • mark 3 months ago
      Negotiating with politicians to become less corrupt is like asking the wolf to cut back on chicken.
    • Sporky McCrackin 3 months ago
      My representatives aren't concerned about what I want. They are only concerned about getting re-elected. It does no good to write them. They need to be kicked out of office and we can try again with someone new.
  • Godfrey  •  3 months ago
    Sort of like here in the US... the leaders have all sold out to the banks, the citizens, used to big handouts... riot when they are taken away. At least I doubt if they pay welfare and furnish free health care to people living in their country illegally. They are not THAT stupid.
  • Cliff  •  Pleasanton, California  •  3 months ago
    The Greeks have a long history of not paying their debts. They take tax cheating to an entirely different level. It is a corruput society. Until and unless they have NO other choice they will never solve their own problems. They need to be cut loose.
  • Ray  •  3 months ago
    The real choices are: DEBT or FREEDOM. Only one is worth fighting for and sacrificing for your children and grandchildren to enjoy. For those people/countries who would sell their freedom for comfort, there comes a time to pay the collector. Debt is a harsh and evil taskmaster. USA ----- are you listening?
    • Mike Johnson 3 months ago
      Yes, if the choice debt the country will end..
  • Chris  •  San Diego, California  •  3 months ago
    Take immediate and deep pain now or take a long drawn out pain for a decade or two to come. The perils of debt!

    Take notice America, you have more choices now but at the end of a debt supercycle there are only two.
    • ozymandias 3 months ago
      Two decades of pain, or three years of starvation.
  • bill  •  3 months ago
    I wonder how they could afford the gasoline?
  • Anonymous  •  3 months ago
    Greek society is disintegrating? It has been even before the crisis. Too many people with government jobs doing nothing, too many people not paying taxes. Now they need to see the consequences. No mercy, let them learn the hard way.
  • Lance  •  Atlanta, Georgia  •  3 months ago
    A classic no win situaion.....If Greece stays in the EU, it drags the member nations into a deep financial abyss. If Greece leaves the EU, the dracma becomes worthless and the Greek economy collapses....... Where is Socrates when you need him?
  • Bob F  •  3 months ago
    The Real unemployment rate in The USA is 22.%, which is more than double what The State run media claims.
  • A Yahoo! User  •  3 months ago
    Why doesn't Donald Trump buy Greece and turn it into a resort area?
  • US Taxpayer  •  3 months ago
    Greeks lived loafty unionized government pension plan. Same thing happening all over the US, from city, county, state and federal government, public employee pension ran rampant without anyone watching. Police, firefighters, city managers, judges, teachers are raking in 80% of their salary for their pension after retirement. The public is paying for it. Yeah, the public is unemployed with their mortgage underwater or house forclosed. Let Greek default and send the message to unions and public workers all over the world that enough is enough! Default and start a new slate!
  • ryu  •  New York, New York  •  3 months ago
    simple greec e will just have to NEVER borrow again that that will be the end of it.

    benefits to never let gov borrow = MUCH LESS CORRUPTION and real wealth creation by the people then.

    people themselves will have to work yes so what. its gg.

    let them fail let the banks fail let the government fail.

    let the economy be free, let the people be free, free yourself from debt slavery.
  • Brian  •  3 months ago
    Government and Unions did this. You need competition or this is what happens. People are just too lazy and greedy. we have to bring back honor,pride,personal accountability, and live within our means.
  • Prometheus  •  Mt Hamilton, California  •  3 months ago
    You make $1, but you owe $1.30 in interest payment...where ya gonna get that $.30?
  • Responsible  •  Mobile, Alabama  •  3 months ago
    It should have spend within their means. Watch out US.
  • A Yahoo! User  •  3 months ago
    Whoever lent to Greece made a bad decision. Let them pay.
  • Leif  •  Everett, Washington  •  3 months ago
    The root problem in Greece is out-of-control welfare state spending. The good thing about the austerity measures being imposed on Greece is that it forces them to cut back their social welfare system.

    I'm not sure if Greece should try to pay back their debts, or just go bankrupt. If they go bankrupt, it will be a lesson not only for the Greek population, but also for the foolish banks that loaned them the money.
  • Mad as HellO  •  Ewa Beach, Hawaii  •  3 months ago
    Countries like Greece are not good enough to be in European Union...who let them in? They dont fit European economic profile and dont fit economic culture of countries like Germany, France and Denmark
 
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