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Greek Default: Why Europe Thinks It May Not Be So Bad

European leaders are beginning to accept the idea that Greece will be forced to default on its debt, causing a long-feared "credit event" that triggers billions of dollars of credit default swaps.

Financial markets have been worried for months about such an event, fearing that it would spark another financial crisis similar to the one that was triggered by the collapse of Lehman Brothers in 2008.

But European leaders are becoming less worried about the impact such an event would have on the global financial system. There are two reasons for this: an involuntary Greek default would not come as a surprise to financial markets, and the amount of money involved would be relatively small.

Back in September 2008, almost no one believed the government would allow Lehman to fail, and when it did, it took market participants by surprise. Greece on the other hand has been a train wreck in slow motion.

That's significant, because as a default becomes increasingly likely, more and more credit default swaps-insurance politices that pay out if there's an involuntary Greek default-have to be collateralized.

The International Swaps and Derivatives Association says the total net exposure of market participants who have sold CDS credit protection on Greek sovereign debt was about $3.7 billion as of Oct. 21, 2011. At this point, the group estimates that more than 90 percent of Greek CDSs have been collateralized. In other words, most of the insurance has already been paid.

In a first-on CNBC interview on Tuesday, the lead negotiatior for private-sector Greek debt holders, Charles Dallara, raised the possibility of a credit event in the case of Greek debt.

"We remain committed to a voluntary accord," said Dallara, head of the Institute of International Finance. But "I am not entirely clear at this point all parties are committed to a voluntary accord and I hope that is not the case."

Talks have broken down with private Greek debt holders and Euro Zone finance ministers over how much of a "haircut"-or loss-the debt holders must take to restructure Greece's debt. Even if a "voluntary" deal is struck soon, not all bondholders may participate, which could trigger an "involuntary" default.

Standard & Poor's also signaled Tuesday that a Greek default may not be so calamitous.

The rating agency said it will likely downgrade Greece's ratings to "selective default" when the country concludes its debt restructuring, but that won't necessarily destroy the credibility of the European Union, an official with the ratings agency said on Tuesday.

"It's not a given that Greece's default would have a domino effect in the euro zone," John Chambers, the chairman of S&P's sovereign rating committee, said.



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  • A Yahoo! User  •  Chicago, Illinois  •  4 months ago
    This is great, they write headlines on here for 2 years about Greek defaults, come to find out it was all just a joke and default was a good idea all along. ROFLMAO
    • Amerika 4 months ago
      True, and in the meantime, they have impoverished Greeks, stolen vast amounts of wealth and money, enslaved the people, caused rioting and property damage. Sound like a bunch of 'nice' guys.
    • Preybrother 4 months ago
      Greeks have caused their own problems, Master so don't go blaming someone else.
    • Sarab 4 months ago
      Its all election #$%$ u have a brain right? Next time try using it sooner & see threw the lies like that this depression I mean recession was over in 2009.
  • William  •  Kansas City, Missouri  •  4 months ago
    In the not so distant past, the so-called economic "experts" were warning of how big an adverse impact on the world economy that a sovereign default like Greece's would have. As that reality got closer, the global market spin doctors are trying their damnest to minimize this inevitability. Now truly that it's here, it "may not be too bad"... if fact it might be just dandy!
    • michaelc 4 months ago
      We may have another 'domino theory' in play here !
    • Sean 4 months ago
      Have you seen what they (Greece) owes???
      The US has that in the cushions of their sofas. It's laughable.
      We get used to thinking in terms of the US economy.
      Their individual economies are like comparing the military power of Iraq (was the 4th largest army) to the USA.
      I say let them pay off Greek debts, then let THEM swing.
      Then see if the other "broke" nations don't embrace "austerity."
    • Ed_B 4 months ago
      Yes, it would be laughable IF Greece had any industrial base with which to create enough wealth to pay down their debts, but they do not. Bad as it is in the USA, at least we do have a large industrial base with which to create a lot of wealth. Now, if government will stop standing on the patients' oxygen line perhaps we can heal this sick economy and get on with a real economic recovery.
  • John Galt  •  4 months ago
    LOL! First a colossal panic and now its no so bad? Sounds like they're trying to put lipstick on a pig.
  • Brian Huang  •  4 months ago
    This has always been a conspiracy by the wealthy and its government enablers who have consistantly lied to the public and used taxpayers money to enrich themselves.
  • P  •  4 months ago
    Because of Fractional Reserve Banking, All debt is created out of thin air. Banks keep double books, one book says they have their depositors money the other says they lent the money to someone else. Both books can not be true at the same time. Greece needs to 100% default so does every other nation, Nearly all the national debt is all based on Fraud. Electronic money has hid the obvious!
    • Carl 4 months ago
      electronic elections hide the obious also
  • George C  •  Norwalk, Connecticut  •  4 months ago
    SUDDENLY GREEK DEFAULT IS NOT SO BAD

    GIMMIEA BRK HERE
  • mary  •  Corpus Christi, Texas  •  4 months ago
    Hmm-ISDA says there are $3.5 Billion in CDS's and the Bank for International Settlements that they report CDS's to says there are $600 Billion on their books. Which one is correct?
    • Amerika 4 months ago
      There is something around 200 Trillion in derevitives.
    • Headlley 4 months ago
      $3.7B was just for Greece, 200T is world wide...just a bit different. I'm guessing the 600B is the "collateralized" amount, or in other words, $3.7B is still held by the original holders, and $600B has been sold to someone else.
    • Preybrother 4 months ago
      $600 Billion wouldn't touch it. Chase Bank alone has about $75 Trillion exposure to Deriviatives including CDSs. There is not enough money in the world to pay for this mess and the Financial Badboys have been making a ton of money selling this dangerous financial paper.
  • michaelc  •  4 months ago
    CDS being 'collateralized' just means that the originators of the CDS (the banks and insurance companies) have sold those instruments to someone else. That means that those 'debt bombs' are still out there. They might even be over here and owned by American banks and other financial companies. We will not know who is 'holding the hot potatoes' until the game stops, which means Greece goes bust!
    • Sean 4 months ago
      TAP TAP, no tag back!
    • jttrgv 4 months ago
      EXACTLY! Thank God someone knows and speak the truth. There was never an attempt to "right the ship". It was about stalling the inevitable long enough to dilute the losses. CDS as a derivative instrument should be outlawed world-wide. You want to take the risk? Then take the risk.
    • Headlley 4 months ago
      @jttrgv, agreed, I mean why the heck do people think interest rates vary? RISK! If you're worried you have so much risk that you need insurance...you don't need insurance, what you need is LESS RISK (lower interest bonds). All a CDS is, is a way to move more money from here to there making it look like you actually created some sort of value, but in truth, it's just waste. I mean what's to stop them from making CDSS's? Credit Default Swap Swap or even CCDS: Collateralized Credit Default Swap. You know just in case the CDS has to be paid...what a stupid idea.
  • BlueTea  •  Newark, Delaware  •  4 months ago
    A default would be catasthropic for Greece. There would be a run on their banks efectively killing them. They would be unable to sell bonds except at HUGE yields. Their economy would slow down even more at the same time they are spending less as a Government and as consumers. In short, a depression.
    The risk to ther non-Greek banks is hard to guage from here but it is very significant. Almost certainly, bond yields in other PIGS countries will go even higher - escacerbating their problems and further slowing their economies down at time theu desperately need growth. The impact on other euro zone banks will likely be quite bad and it could spill over here.

    My biggest fear is a collapse of the euro zone banking sector that infects some big US banks. They are bigger now than they were pre-Lehman and nobody knows if they truly can withstand another huge shock absent more governmnet intervention. It they get in deep trouble and the government's ability to act is squashed because of the teabagger influence on the GOP - we risk a US and global depression
  • Harold  •  New York, New York  •  4 months ago
    I just purchased petroleum Jelly...Please go easy on me.
  • the fix  •  4 months ago
    it,s not europe,it,s the us media,and the stock market manipulators.
  • Ray  •  Rolling Meadows, Illinois  •  4 months ago
    So now it's all about "Greece'---what about the other 9 European nation downgraded in December----don't worry no surprises.
  • Steven  •  4 months ago
    A Greek, an Italian and a Spaniard go to a bar and drink all night. Who pays the bar tab?

    The German.
  • Michael  •  Little Rock, Arkansas  •  4 months ago
    On the plus side, maybe this will educate the swap markets that governments are not going to be there to bail out this debt. Remove the moral hazard on large scale bailouts and set right the swaps markets.
  • Mark  •  4 months ago
    One word..Austerity. Good Luck. Maybe they have a money growing tree?
  • Interesting times  •  4 months ago
    Greece isn't so bad, but what about Spain, Italy, Ireland, Portugal, and France? It's not so bad on it's own, but all of these countries have massive sovereign debt issues. They also have significant amounts of money invested in Greek debt and banks. This is inevitable and there's no sugar frosting that will make this s...t taste better.
  • Kevins432  •  Pennsauken, New Jersey  •  4 months ago
    What a load of crap! You'll see what happens. Greece is only the beginning...
  • willies  •  Glenview, Illinois  •  4 months ago
    sell your stocks before Greece defaults......
  • Loa  •  New York, New York  •  4 months ago
    After Greece the Italians and the Spaniarts will follow
  • rocky  •  4 months ago
    If we dont quit spending we will be right along with them
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