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    How to Make Your Nest Egg Last Longer

    When it comes time to tap savings, use the tax code to your advantage.

    You probably know the conventional wisdom: When spending retirement savings, drain taxable accounts first, to give the money in tax-deferred 401(k)s and individual retirement accounts more time to grow, and leave tax-free Roth IRAs for last.

    But with many nest eggs today smaller than they should be, a better approach, some financial advisers say, is to tap these accounts simultaneously in order to minimize taxes over time.

    The key is to make full use of the lower federal and state income-tax brackets many retirees are in early in retirement. To further reduce taxes, it may make sense for those with after-tax incomes between $40,000 and $90,000 to defer Social Security, says James Mahaney, vice president of strategic initiatives at Prudential Financial Inc.

    Those who stick to the convention of annually spending no more than 4% of their initial retirement savings — adjusted each year for inflation — can "use the tax code to make their portfolios last up to seven years longer," says Baylor University Prof. William Reichenstein, a principal at Retiree Inc., a Leawood, Kan., company that helps retirees plan tax-efficient withdrawals.

    How It Works

    For simultaneous withdrawals to work, retirees should have at least two of the following three types of accounts: regular tax-deferred IRAs and 401(k)s; tax-free Roth IRAs and 401(k)s; and regular taxable accounts.

    To start, consider a couple who retires at age 62 with $1 million in assets, including $700,000 in a regular IRA and $300,000 in a taxable account. If they need $70,000 in annual income before taxes, the conventional solution is to claim Social Security and withdraw the rest from the taxable account. Assuming the couple gets $33,000 in Social Security, they would need $37,000 from the taxable account to make ends meet.

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    But Dean Barber, a financial adviser in Kansas City, Kan., suggests a different approach, based on simultaneous withdrawals. It is a strategy that works best for those with little in the way of capital gains in their taxable accounts — something that has become more common in this era of reduced portfolio returns.

    The first step, he says, is to put off claiming Social Security. A delay will increase their future benefit and reduce the amount of those benefits subject to tax. (More about this in a moment.)

    In the interim, Mr. Barber says, the couple should withdraw the $70,000 from the taxable account. At that rate, the $300,000 account will support them for about four years.

    This approach, Mr. Barber figures, is likely to land the couple at the low end of the 15% federal income tax bracket, which ranges from $17,001 to $69,000. By claiming a standard deduction, a 62-year-old couple can have as much as $88,000 in gross income and still qualify for the 15% rate, says Mr. Barber.

    Already Taxed

    Here's why Mr. Barber figures the couple's taxable income will be on the low end of that range. First, assuming the taxable account is set up to meet their short-term spending needs in retirement, most of the money is likely to be in a bank account, certificates of deposit or recently purchased bonds. Thus, the bulk of the funds available in this account will have already been taxed; they won't be taxed a second time upon withdrawal. (Of course, the couple will pay a 15% tax rate on any qualified dividends or long-term capital gains they realize. They will also owe ordinary income tax on any interest payments they receive.)

    In short, withdrawing $70,000 from the taxable account might result in taxable income of only $15,000 or so. Remember: This couple can have as much as $88,000 in taxable income and stay in the 15% tax bracket.

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    The next step: withdrawing about $70,000 from the tax-deferred retirement account to take full advantage of this relatively low tax rate — and then converting those funds into a Roth IRA, where the money can grow tax-free.

    Assuming the couple is able to convert roughly $70,000 annually (again, before reaching the 15% bracket's $88,000 cutoff), the Roth IRA will grow to about $300,000 within four years, calculates Mr. Barber, who assumes a 5% annual return.

    As the Roth's balance grows, the couple's tax-deferred retirement account will shrink—to about $550,000 from $700,000 over four years. That combination will help them reduce tax on their Social Security income.

    Bigger Benefit

    To see why, consider what will happen in four years, when the couple drains the $300,000 taxable account. At 66, they will qualify for a combined $44,000 in Social Security—or 33% more than they would have received at 62, says Mr. Barber.

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    From a tax perspective, a bigger Social Security benefit is good news. Why? The formula that determines how much of an individual's Social Security is taxable counts only half of a person's Social Security income. So, in contrast with income from a regular IRA, "you can receive twice as much Social Security income before you ever trigger a tax" on your benefits, says Mr. Mahaney of Prudential.

    The couple is also likely to reap future tax benefits. Thanks to the Roth conversions, their tax-deferred IRAs will be smaller. Thus, when required distributions from those IRAs begin at 70½, the withdrawals — and the taxable income they create — will be lower. And tax-free Roth withdrawals can supplement income in years in which tapping other accounts would push them into a higher tax bracket.

    The math is sticky, but the benefits can be large. Says Mr. Barber: "Given the uncertainty in the stock market and the possibility that Congress may raise tax rates, it's especially important to use the tax code wisely."

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    • IBEDERN  •  Montgomery, Alabama  •  3 months ago
      This article is waste of time. Get real, who has this kind of money.
    • Michael  •  4 months ago
      Sounds like none of these advisors has ever lived in Indiana. Who makes that kind of money if you actually work for a living? Let me know, ok?
      • GREG 4 months ago
        I do!!
      • Maurice Rhoden 4 months ago
        GREG, do you want a metal, or a chest to pin it on ? You bragging bas_a_d !
      • J.W 4 months ago
        I did. I don't have a million, but I don't need that in Indiana. I live very well off of just over half that and SS. How did I get that much? I didn't buy new big cars or SUVs, large houses, and lived below my means.. After 14 years in retirement, I have the same amount today. I Invested at my age in bonds and I Bonds. The stocks were in dividend paying mutual funds. That's all.
    • Jesse  •  4 months ago
      To ensure you don't run out of money, die early.
      • A Yahoo! User 4 months ago
        brilliant idea maybe you can talk some into jumping off a cliff or playing on the freeway
    • JOHN  •  4 months ago
      ONE MILLION in assets. How many people 62 have one million in assets? The people that write this do not live in the real world. And the few people that do have that kind of money do not need his advice. How about a story on how to retire if you only make $26,000 to $46,000 like most of us that actually work for a living
      • Judy 4 months ago
        You'd be surprised at how many have that and more. Lots of middle class millionaires out there! They just continue to live the way they always have: don't waste, pay importants things when young (like a house), work together as a couple on a budget, consider needs carefully, and let the savings grow!
      • A Yahoo! User 4 months ago
        turn your spare bedroom into a hydroponic growery problem solved
      • zonny 4 months ago
        John; There are two kinds of people in this world. The first- 'I'll believe it when I see it' types- read an article like this and dismiss it as being unreasonable and unobtainable. They write responses like you have and then go out and try to prove they are correct. It comes as no suprise that most of these types fail to reach the stated goals.

        The other kind of person- the 'I'll see it when I believe it' type- reads the same article and figures out a way to make it work. They write responses like Judy does and then try to prove they are correct. It's not always easier but the potential rewards make it worth the effort.

        I have discovered that given a choice, the latter makes more sense(cents). Change your attitude and you just might find yourself one of those 62 year old millionaires.
    • J.W  •  Fort Wayne, Indiana  •  4 months ago
      I am retired. I don't have a million, but I don't need that in Indiana. I live very well off of just over half that and SS.
      How did I get that even that much ? I didn't buy new big cars or SUVs, large houses, and lived below my means.. After 14 years in retirement, I have the same amount today by watching where I spend and from where I take the money. . I Invested at my age in bonds and I Bonds. It certainly can't be from CDs today! The stocks were in dividend paying mutual funds.
      My spending is not used for income taxes. By converting 20% of my IRAs to Roth IRAs at the begining of retirement and paying the taxes then, I don't have to pay taxes today by taking some distributions from the IRAs and some from the Roth IRAs, which are tax free.
    • Camden H  •  4 months ago
      Hey Larry in Wichita Kansas, How many times in the past 20 years have you been able to buy a long term CD paying 5%? But I agree... with your rationale.. Saving when you are young will make you life a lot easier when it comes to retirement
    • johnn  •  Boston, Massachusetts  •  4 months ago
      how many people other than tax geeks can possibly do this math ? you guys should get real.
    • larrysdogstar  •  Wichita, Kansas  •  4 months ago
      A million in a CD at 5% interest thats 50k a year minus 15% taxes state and local bout 28% total. Is 36k a year after taxes. Here in SE kansas one can live comfortably since by the time you have a million saved yoiur house is paid for. A bit of property tax and insurance 2 to 3k a year now ya at 33k for the year $2750 a month with 400 dollars utility costs. $2350 a month is not rich but one can be quite comfortable. Save save save when ya are young.
      • grandma of 5 4 months ago
        Larry, I don't know about where you live, but, where I live there is no CD paying 5%. Lucky, if you get 1% on your money.
    • Margarita  •  Houston, Texas  •  4 months ago
      work this one out on a lower level, which is where most of us stand. We made less money and raised and educated families without any kind of help like its offered today. So we have less than $2500. to live on todays high prices and very little saved. Tell me how does someone in this level retire and live comfortable. we had to give up the insurance on our home. We have been eating what we can afford. All these ideas that they are comin g out with today like how dto feed a family of 4 a meal with $10. is old to us.How do you think some of us baby boomers have survived. We don't have money to maintain our car or to do repairs on our homes. I still have wood floors that are caving in from the flood because I don't have money to repair them. You know that is not as important as the health insurance that I cannot afford. And I don't qualify for medicare because I'm 63. Have you read enough?
    • ecs  •  5 months ago
      just say "no" to anyone who asks for money; friends, family and especially your children.
      • jon 5 months ago
        thank you very much ,lol
      • james 4 months ago
        Coming from you I understand !!
    • Scott  •  Tampa, Florida  •  4 months ago
      Can someone please explain to me the REAL TRUTH in why VGPMX and VGENX are priced so low when Precious Metals and Oil commodities are UP? The Vanguard Mutual Fund Managers are STEALING THE MONEY and the Government has no regulation to this!
    • Hockey Fan  •  Pleasanton, California  •  5 months ago
      Wish I had 70,000 laying around
    • ANIMAL  •  San Diego, California  •  5 months ago
      Why don't they write an article about how to find a safe place to sleep on the street...how to beg for money outside of stores...how to find the best place to dumptser dive...things that yahoo bloggers can relate to?
    • MORE NORMAL THAN STAFF  •  Waterville, Maine  •  5 months ago
      "80 Is the New 65 for Retirement"
    • Alfred  •  San Bruno, California  •  5 months ago
      It gets even stickier when you consider that you've given up $132,000 in Social Security from age 62 through age 65 ofr an $11,000 increase from age 66 on. That will take 12 years just to recover the principal and much longer should you invest it when you received it. This should be considered when looking to not only maximize this whole thing but as a seconday concern minimize what Uncle Sam can take from whatever you may leave behind.
    • Phillip  •  Dallas, Texas  •  5 months ago
      How about writing an article for those of us that DON'T have a million dollars in the bank?
    • lion-tamer  •  Troy, Michigan  •  5 months ago
      This kinda advice with that amount of money isn't the average persons ne let alone gross!!!
      This guy giving advice should go to Washington.....laughing....
      Try pushing your advise there!
    • ODELL  •  Shreveport, Louisiana  •  5 months ago
      I am 75 years old and have 570,000 in assets. If I spend 10% a year and have nothing at age 85, so what? People in their 80s and 90s need food and a bed and somewhere warm to stay. Hey---you cant take it with you and you cant send it on ahead!
    • Vu  •  5 months ago
      70,000 dollars a year just to make ends meet! Screwwwww you advisors!!! Article like this make me puke!
    • Norman D  •  Houston, Texas  •  5 months ago
      Withdrawing $70000 from 401k leaves $59500 after paying the 15% tax. Investing $59500 at 5% for 4 years gives $72323. If the $70000 were left in the 401k and grew at the same rate it would yield $85085.

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