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Investors Should Cut Risk as Global Woes Add Up: El-Erian

Investors are justified for viewing the Greek debt deal with skepticism and should reduce their risk allocation accordingly, Pimco's Mohamed El-Erian said.

Problems in Greece are just the highest-profile set of geopolitical risks with which the market must deal - the others being Iran and Syria - which could cause disruptions sharply and quickly, said the co-CEO of the world's largest bond fund manager.

"The market is being very rational in saying it's a step but it's not a big enough step yet," El-Erian said of the Greek debt deal announced earlier in the week. "Fundamentally, Greece is going to have to find a way to restore growth and restore competitiveness. If it doesn't do that, private capital isn't going to come in and if private capital doesn't come in you don't get the oxygen that an economy needs."

In addition, the deal, which likely will see bondholders lose more than 70 percent of the principal plus reductions in coupon payments for the Greek notes, faces "implementation risk." The deal still must be approved by constituents of the Troika - the European Central Bank, the International Monetary Fund and the European Commission - that negotiated the pact. They include the Greek public as well as private and official creditors.

Greece faces debt in excess of 120 percent compared to gross domestic product and has been forced to adopt stern austerity measures as conditions of getting tranches, or installments, of international aid.

In doing so, though, the country risks hampering the growth necessary so it can pay its obligations in the future. Many economists believe Greece ultimately will leave the European Union so it is not bound by the euro currency restrictions.

"These are major decisions and only Greek society can make (them)," El-Erian said. "So far it's been let's kick the can down the road because nobody wants to make a major decision."

On a global level, El-Erian said the contagion risks from Greek as well as the disruptions to energy supplies from Iran and Syria pose even more economic risk.

Should any of those situations escalate, central bank policy makers will be limited in their ability to respond after the massive balance sheet expansion and zero-interest-rate policies adopted in the wake of the 2008 financial crisis.

Though healing, the U.S. economy, in particular, is in some ways more exposed to an event like the credit collapse that happened after Lehman Brothers fell in September 2008 because the economy is weaker now than it was then, El-Erian said.

"We have less economic and policy flexibility - that's the bad news," he said. "The good news is the central banks are doing all they can to limit the damages to the payments and settlements system."

With stocks rallying this year, El-Erian said investors should take some money off the table, halve exposure to gold and oil, and concentrate bond exposure to the middle part of the yield curve - the five- to seven-year range.



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64 comments

  • Ken  •  3 months ago
    It seems honoring debt is a thing of the past. The world wide moral decline continues.
    • Juan 3 months ago
      This happened right here in the USA when our government cut out GM bond holders in favor of the UAW when GM went bankrupt. Bond holders were screwed but the union was made whole.
    • Robert W 3 months ago
      The banks were made whole here and in Greece, the bondholders were screwed. Bottom line, don't buy any bonds unless the rate is so high that you can afford a default within a certian time period. This will eventually screw anyone trying to raise capital by using bonds.
    • j 3 months ago
      Middle class morality is going out the window along with middle-class and replaced by a dog eat dog business mentality.
  • Anonymous  •  Atlanta, Georgia  •  3 months ago
    Additionally, I do not think any reasonable investor should invest further in European sovereigns. If the EU will not honor external debt, these "sovereign" bonds should be considered corporate bonds in effect. The economics of some of these countries do not warrant their low interest rates on that basis. Even knowing that the countries have lost the power to print money to support their bonds, this is not the investors problem as they are supposed to be guaranteed their principle and interest unless a liquidation process is undertaken. Certainly the sovereigns in Europe cannot be regarded as "risk free" anymore.
    • Ken 3 months ago
      Excellent post.
    • Robert W 3 months ago
      Wouldn't the same logic extend to the USA ? I think it should.
  • steelerman  •  Miami, Florida  •  3 months ago
    RUN FORREST, RUN!
  • W  •  3 months ago
    Buy a piece of land in the country. Put an old RV on it. Get a four wheeler, dirt bike, etc. Load up the kids and some food and go for the weekend. In twenty years it will be worth four times what you paid. I know, I did it.
  • wow  •  3 months ago
    Sure, move to where? Market with zero interests? Bonds that may go down any time now?
    • Scott 3 months ago
      How about gold/silver?
    • j 3 months ago
      Is there an "H" button in the elevator?
  • Dragon Dawn  •  Brea, California  •  3 months ago
    The Dow will sink from its current high of 13000 to 5000 points, just below the lows of 2008 Financial Crisis. Here's why:1. Eurozone is festering in $crisis for two years and is coming to a head with record debts across the eurozone.2. US debts has increase by 30% since 2008.3. Unemployment in 2008 was 5%, today is 9% and has been that way since 20114. The biggest trigger is the slow motion death of $US as a reserve currency: China is trading in Yuans with the rest of Asia and recently with Russia and Iran. They are no longer using the U$ as the medium of exchange. Once the reserve currency status is lost, US can't print monies to get out of debt as it did with Quantitative Easing 1 & 2.5. Iran crisis will spike oil and dampen global growth with inflation, herd mentality will sell like crazy6. Apple share will plummet by 40% triggered by its ability to export or sell iPads out of its main/sole manufacturing base in China because ProView is confiscating all iPads across China for trademark violation by Apple. Apple and the likes of it will be the spark that ignite the 2012 stocks crash of the 2nd decade of the 21st century.7. Portugal is next in line to fail and #$%$ global finance.Be warned, stay out of stocks or potentially become homeless by the end of the year!
    • P 3 months ago
      Sold my last stock a few days ago. I agree 100%. one thing you forgot to mension is Euro banks only have 1% bank reserves, that means they don't have 99% of their depositors money. Leveraged debt is the # 1 reason everything is going to hell! We have been playing finacial musical chairs and once the music stops somone that thought they had money will not have it anymore.
    • X RIDER 3 months ago
      Amen brother!
  • RichardG  •  Bangkok, Thailand  •  3 months ago
    As economys get a little better and a little better, the markets creep up and up, and they try and find some excuse to tell you to wait a little longer to get in, it's not staying out that will kill ya it's getting IN after the run up\s because they tell you now is the time.
  • Resonance1  •  3 months ago
    Looks like the Fed is pulling out all the stops in order to avoid a major decline, at least until Mar 20! They seem to be navigating a quiet upward sloping trajectory/resistance, while beating back the negative effects of rising oil and gold! This tightrope has a shelf life, barring shocks, of 1mo!
  • Resonance1  •  3 months ago
    Taking more and more use of gold and oil, to get a rise outta this market! We should still "hem and haw" our way up to the Mar 20 deadline, near 13500, but the price in oil and gold spikes will create greater fear of inflation; then the hammer of war, and Fed action in commodities will start!
  • Jeff  •  3 months ago
    Get out of stocks, most of the 401k have never made it completely back from middle June 2011 levels.
    • bo 3 months ago
      The new money in the 401k was buying stock at a discount. Say "thank you" and quit #$%$
  • Tom Troxler  •  Highlands Ranch, Colorado  •  3 months ago
    No-No-No- obama said everything is coming up roses, and I spend every second of my life in total aw of the guy. lol
  • johnplinney  •  3 months ago
    The Germans are loaning money to the Greeks so that they can pay back the German Banks. And it is the working folks that are suffering the pain.
  • Tiger  •  Newark, New Jersey  •  3 months ago
    You think he is giving you a good sugestion? Think again!!!
    The Pimco missed the run so far. Almost all of their money is in BOND!!! They want you to move the money from stock market to BOND! They want the market crash again so they can have last chance to get in !!!

    Never, never, never beleive what they say. Never never believe they would help you to make money. All what they did, do and will do is help them to make money!!!!!
  • gollywogazoo  •  3 months ago
    it would appear this guy sure gets a lot of air time on CNBC - more than most! But why doesn't CNBC disclose that PIMCO is actually paying for all this time & that the opinions expressed are really nothing more than ads for their bond fund?
  • *  •  3 months ago
    The End Is Near!
  • Rick Kaminski  •  3 months ago
    Greece, Italy, Ireland, Portugal and Spain will all go bankrupt/default on their debts. There is no saving them! Iran will cut off the oil supply if they can... If Isreal attacks Iran or visa versa we will have a major clamity. There are currently too many things that can go wrong and the results are going to effect the entire world. I hope everyone has a workable plan.
    My present solution is food power... Stop selling food to Iran. Raise the price of selling food to foreign nations by 500% to offset the price of oil. Then lets see what can compete with food power. We have food poser, so lets use it!
  • Jerry  •  3 months ago
    PERMA BEAR... buy our bonds...LOL
  • Jesse  •  Bellevue, Washington  •  3 months ago
    Translation: "the world is not perfect. Sell me your stock at 8 x forward for blue chip wide moats who pay 4points and buy our bonds at less then inflation returns. Thanks. You will feel safer knowing you will loose money."
  • unknownu  •  San Jose, California  •  3 months ago
    I love EL-Erian's postings, but I am just wondering what is the incentive for him to post so many great insigtht for public consumption For fame? anyone has a clue?
  • Jerrell B  •  Surfside, California  •  3 months ago
    If Pimco's Mohamed says "take half of your equity investments off the table", you should call your broker and do exactly what he says. Check his track record, and then listen to what he is telling you in advance
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