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    Reference-Checking Secrets Employers Won't Tell You

    Fantasy Finance

    Job applicants often hand over their references without much thought about what happens behind the scenes. But references can be a make-or-break element of job searching, and it's crucial to understand how they work.

    Here are eight things about reference checks that you might not be aware of.

    [See our list of the 50 Best Careers.]

    1. Policies about not providing references are frequently broken. While some employers have a policy that they won't give a reference beyond simply confirming your dates of employment, in reality this policy is broken all the time. It's usually HR types who adhere to the letter of these policies, while individual managers are often willing to give more detailed references, regardless of what the rule is.

    2. Employers can call people outside of your reference list. While people often believe employers limit themselves to the formal list of references you provide, the reality is that they may call anyone you've worked for or who might know you. In fact, a lot of reference-checking happens behind the scenes when an employer spots a mutual connection and calls that person to ask their opinion of you. The only person who's typically considered off-limits is your current employer.

    3. Employers can ask references anything they want. Contrary to the myth that employers can only ask very targeted and limited questions, they can ask anything at all (as long as it's not about protected classes, like race, religion, disabilities, and so forth).

    [See 10 Workplace Myths, Debunked.]

    They can and do ask about your work ethic, your attitude, how your work compared with your peers' work, what you accomplished, what your weakest points are, why you left, and whether the employer would be excited to hire you again, among other things.

    4. Tone is often more important than words. A good reference-checker pays close attention to tone. If the reference sounds hesitant, uncomfortable, or anxious to get off the phone, those are red flags.

    5. A lukewarm reference can be damning. Reference-checking isn't about simply ticking off a series of boxes confirming that you weren't fired for insubordination or theft. Instead, a good reference-checker is looking to see how your past managers talk about your work, and whether they're enthusiastic about you or not. There's a telling difference between "Sure, she did a fine job," and "She's just the best--I wish we could hire her, but since we can't, you must."

    6. What your past bosses say matters a lot more than what your peers say. Offering up only peers as references is a red flag that will make an employer wonder why you don't want your past managers contacted. And bosses are the ones we really care about talking to, because they're the ones who can speak to what you're like as an employee in a way that peers often can't.

    [See 10 Secrets of a Hiring Manager.]

    7. Letters of reference are rarely worth your time. No one puts critical information in reference letters, so employers know they don't count for much. Besides, when hiring managers get to the point when we want to talk to your references, we want to truly talk to them--on the phone, where we can ask questions and probe around. We want to hear the tone of your reference's voice, hear where they hesitate before answering, and hear what happens when we dig around about potential problem areas.

    8. You might be able to neutralize a bad reference. If your former boss isn't speaking highly of you, call and ask if she'd be willing to reach an agreement with you on what she'll say to future reference calls. Say something like this: "I'm concerned that the reference you're providing for me is preventing me from getting work. Could we work something out so that this isn't standing in my way?" Many employers will be willing to work something out with you.

    And if you think the reference your boss is providing is factually inaccurate, skip her and go straight to your old company's HR department. HR people are trained in this area, will be familiar with the potential for legal problems, and will probably speak to your old boss and put a stop to it.

    Twitter: @AskAManager

    Alison Green writes the popular Ask a Manager blog where she dispenses advice on career, job search, and management issues. She's also the author of Managing to Change the World: The Nonprofit Leader's Guide to Getting Results and former chief of staff of a successful nonprofit organization, where she oversaw day-to-day staff management, hiring, firing, and employee development. She now teaches other managers how to manage for results.



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    37 comments

    • m e  •  3 months ago
      All my former supervisors and managers are very bitter that I leave for greener pastures. A number have even made counter offers to me which I reject. How is a person like that going to give a positive reference ?
    • Display Name  •  4 months ago
      I don't believe anyone in HR is dedicated enough to do such vigorious interviewing as a norm.
      • SoCal 4 months ago
        I agree.
      • Manly HA 3 months ago
        It depends on the level and pay of the position. Assume they will check if you want the job.
    • NotEntitled  •  Richmond, Virginia  •  3 months ago
      What do you do if it is a family run business, and there is no "HR dept"? I'm wondering if there are any legal avenues if you know your former employer is bad-mouthing you.
    • Manly HA  •  3 months ago
      Getting a job is based on who you know especially the higher paid jobs. The only exception to that rule is if you are a perfect fit in all ways and are currently doing the exact same job for a well respected competitor.
      .
      Hiring managers are very afraid of making a bad decision so they prefer to have someone else to blame when things go badly. A referral from their boss or other high ranking official in the company is ideal. Everyone is afraid for their job.
    • Anonoymous  •  Pleasanton, California  •  4 months ago
      It's article like this that scares people silly and bend over backward to accomodate obnoxious employers. The truth is that it depends on the economy. I have been to interview and get hired on the spot without reference checking and I have been thru the interviewing process for months without getting hired despite perfect resume, qualification and references.
      • Manly HA 3 months ago
        Of course the economy matters, but this article is about getting a job now, not 5 years ago.
    • Blue Sky  •  4 months ago
      Most employers are #$%$ so expect the worst.
      • Jim Near SVC 4 months ago
        And most employers are employees themselves, so that kind of destroys you thesis.
      • Manly HA 3 months ago
        Everyone is afraid of their job and making mistakes even hiring managers. We are all just carbon based units with our own unique challenges.
    • mytwocents  •  4 months ago
      Looks like someone hasn't actually done reference checking in a while....In the real world reference checking can be a waste of time. Sure, it makes the personnel file look pretty, and does give the appearance of due diligence, but rarely do you get anything useful.

      Speaking to an actual company representative is rare. In most cases you are referred to the outside source and those sources only provide dates, maybe position, and maybe reason for termination. While the author wants you to believe managers will be eager to speak with you, in reality, they don't. The last thing they want or need is someone interrupting their schedule to discuss a topic irrellevant to what they were trying to accomplish. A reference checker is sent to voice mail land to hang out with the sales reps that do cold calls. Others, will require a signed release before giving out info. You send the signed release, and have to almost violate anti-stalking laws to get the information back. If you get it back, all you get is verification of employment dates and position. So, at best, you can verify that the person actually worked there, but nothing else.

      Personal references are even more worthless. After all, who's going to put a personal reference down that will be anything but kind? There's also the caller ID factor. People assume that a phone call out of the blue form XYZ company is probably a sales call, so off to voicemail land you go with a 60/40 shot of getting a call back.

      Internet searches tend to fare ok, but then the question is whether or not your web hits are the same John Smith as your applicant. This stuff has to be used with caution, and sometimes a grain of salt.

      The best reference you can get is from the applicant themselves. Based on their attitude, their comments about former employers, their reasons for leaving, etc. you can pick up on things that tell you whether or not that candidate is qualified and is a good fit for the spot.
    • Pat  •  Southfield, Michigan  •  3 months ago
      yeah im sure your old boss is willing to wheel and deal about giving a poor reference, there is a reason whey they are doing it, like they give a crap about you and your job search.
      • Manly HA 3 months ago
        Some people do respond to a sincere, polite request for help, at least in some parts of USA. Not every employer wants your life ruined forever. Many want you to move on and quit focusing on them.
    • asdf  •  San Jose, California  •  4 months ago
      Missing from this list is internet searches. What you say there is very public, even on what you think is a private site. If google can find you, so can your potential employer.
      • Abbie Normal 4 months ago
        I once interviewed an applicant that appeared to have good credentials and skills. Then I did a quick search and found her FB page with a name similar to crazy lady. Not exactly the type of person you'd want to be responsible for managing a $100M asset.
      • rodentraiser 3 months ago
        Asdf is right. Always, always use a user name when on the web and back that up with a fictitious name that has no connection with your real one. And never, ever tell your coworkers or boss what either name is, no matter how friendly you get with them. If someone took the time to search, they might get my name attached to my user name. They might even get the last name as well. But nowhere on Google, even after 16 years of posting on here, on forums, on Twitter, or anywhere else, can you find my real name and that's because of all the people I've met online, only two of them know who I really am. And of all the people I've met in real life, none of them know who I am online. And that's the way I plan on keeping it.
    • Karl Marx  •  4 months ago
      You can always pay them a home visit for a bad ref, I do, it works miricles!
    • Diogenes  •  4 months ago
      The best thing to do is arrange references before you leave. Talk to your immediate supervisor and tell him/her that you want to use them for a reference and get their OK. Most of the time they will cooperate with you. Employers really have nothing to gain my slamming you unless they are real jerks. Remember if you have worked at your position for some time, they will look stupid if they try to make you look bad for leaving them.This is especially true if you have received promotions or pay increases. I do realize that none of this may work with certain employers who are just plain nasty. Having said all of this, basically your are at the mercy of your fellow man and the forbearance of reptiles.
    • t  •  3 months ago
      One of my former employers who gave me a horrible reference came to yours truely in her own job search, true but LOL!!!! not on my life ;-)
    • Constitutionalist  •  Pennsauken, New Jersey  •  4 months ago
      My view: Become financially independent and write a book about all you knew and learned while working for and among people who may not be worthy of checking you out but instead should be vetted by you so you can avoid working for them, and who should be vetted by the authorities who should root them out and place them where they really belong...on the street or in jail with the other sociopathic miscreants who masquerade as management.

      For example: I knew of a manager, who gave damning references for employees he considered to be a threat to his position and who were seeking promotion. Upon a background check (via private investigator) it was learned that he frequented topless bars and married a pole dancer. This may explain why this particular manager had been married 3 times before and attempted to hide at least one DUI, by fraudulently declaring residency in an adjascent state that did not recognize reciprocity with the state where the DUI was issued. It was also learned that he used a relative's address as his legal residence, obtained a license in the adjascent state while losing his license in the state where the DUI was received. He could have been guilty of fraud if, as he was applying for the new license in the adjascent state, he declared that his license had not been suspended or revoked in any other state.

      Another situation involved a female executive who knew about fraudulent sales being booked that she received compensation for, but did not report the fraud perpetrated by her subordinates, to her superiors or the authorities. We referred to her as: Captain Queeg. She looked and acted like Nancy Bates from the Stephen King movie, 'Misery'. If you got in her way, she would be sure to hobble you. If you were subordinate management, she would hobble you and your subordinates.

      Truth is greater than fiction my friends. My imagination is not vivid or creative enough to make this stuff up.

      At this stage of my career I do not care what references they would give me. They still have to work, and I do not. So, who would you rather be? And, who would you listen to?
    • JOel  •  Philadelphia, Pennsylvania  •  4 months ago
      This author believes that your previous and or current supervisor is a good source for job reference. Help! Many times supervisors would like to take action but cannot. It does not make them a fair source. On one hand employers claim to be a " family " or want " teamwork". People who are looking for work cannot depend on employers to play by the rules. Being forewarned is fore armed!
    • everything4lessstore.com  •  4 months ago
      I love how this article says it is a red flag if a past employer wants to get off the phone or is hesitant in giving answers. I know if I am called I dont want to waste any time whatsoever in dealing with something that has no positive of me and my company. One wrong word and maybe the ex employee sues you. It could be a set up etc. I always ask for them to fax me a signed letter by the applicant and we will answer in writing the basic stuff as to date of employment etc. Other than that it is pointless. This is just more crap by hr to justify their existence. A reference from 20 years ago has what bearing on a job today. What if you do not really have any references from companies that have gone out of business and you did not stay in touch with anyone you worked with. How does that work out?
    • Constitutionalist  •  Pennsauken, New Jersey  •  4 months ago
      HR protects management, not employees. They are there to indemnify the company not you. In fact they are not even there to protect management, just the executives of the firm. They will hang everyone out to dry in order to protect the company and its executives from a lawsuit. Threaten to sue and you'll watch them cave! If they think that you have the means and a good reason to go after them, they will cave like a house of cards in a tornado.

      When I was a hiring manager, I witnessed potential candidates using friends posing as managers to take reference calls. They would always provide a cell phone number but not a fixed line business number. I caught them every time. It only took a few questions to uncover the frauds. They had no conscience and didn't care that if they succeeded in getting hired that they would have stolen a job from a person who was honestly more deserving of the job. That explained why there was so much fraud associated with the company's sales as many managers hired some of the very frauds that I was able to identify and weed out of the hiring process for my department, but I couldn't prevent the frauds from being hired by the rest of the company. BTW: They were supposedly vetted by the HR department prior to the interviewing process!

      For those of you who have been wronged:

      Pose as potential employer, or, better yet, get a friend to do it; -or an attorney- but you'd have to pay them, and ask for a reference. Anything that they say that is untrue or libelous opens them up for lawsuit. Sue them for all of the pay that you would have gained plus hardship and mental anguish and you won't have to work again.

      If you really want to do them in, go after them individually and personally in civil court. That will be the end of them. If you know that they have done this to more than one person, get an attorney and file a class action lawsuit. That will put and end to there tactics and make them think twice about ever giving a poor reference.

      If you sign a severance contract that says that you give up the right to sue them, it is not worth the paper it is written on as no contract can be enforced if it was signed under duress. They cannot hold a gun to your head and tell you to sign anything. Take 'em to court if you feel you require legal and monetary redress.

      You can fight back. They presume that you don't have the intelligence or the guts to do it.

      At one time in my career, I, as a manager, was called into a 'kangaroo court' that was convened to discuss one of my subordinates who had asked in my opinion, an innocuous question during a meeting that the vp, who was not in attendance at that meeting, but heard about the comment via an unidentified attendee, thought was inappropriate. She wanted this person fired. I met with her, the director of hr, the director of sales and told them: 'I want to know the identity of this cowardly person who made this anonymous, fallacious and folderol allegation. I want them to look me and my subordinate in the eye and tell us exactly and specifically what my subordinate said. I also stated that the next time, this kangaroo court wanted my presence, I will be accompanied by my attorney.' They totally wigged out and didn't know what to do or say. You would have had to have been there but it was, in retrospect, hysterically funny. They didn't know what to do or say, They were visibly shaken by my comments and kept looking at each other as though they were trying to decide who should speak next. I called their bluff and they caved like I knew they would. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. 3 minds together couldn't outthink 1! LOL

      PS: They were all subsequently let go during a management shakeup and I stayed on another 3 years until I decided to take an early retirement. I have no regrets. I left in 2008 during the GREAT RECESSION and my net worth has increased by over $440,000 from then until now. With no debt I am happily retired.
    • 78587  •  4 months ago
      I'm pretty sure the writer of this article is the most ethical person around.
    • Commander Cody  •  4 months ago
      I don't care what your bogus references have to say; you're not good enough to work for us unless you're a proven workaholic genius who everyone likes and who goes above and beyond to make our company great and rich. Only the top 1% is good enough for us; the rest can work at McDonalds.
    • Um...riddlemedis!  •  4 months ago
      I try to always ask the people I put down as references if it's ok. That way, they are not blind-sided when and if they receive the call. As far as former bosses, I guess the only good thing is THEY once gave you a shot. You can't be ALL bad. If I were in the receiving end of a reference call on a past employee, (and I have been) unless someone was just satan in jeans, I'd accentuate what was good about them, if asked mention that the only thing I feel so-and-so needed to work on was being more punctual, and wash my hands of it. If they hire them, he/she is the new employers problem or blessing then...
    • Clyde  •  Port St Lucie, Florida  •  4 months ago
      Guess im toast.....

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