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What's the most important change you'd make in our taxation system? That's our latest question in our crowd-sourced feature Working it Out. We got hundreds of responses both at The Atlantic on through our online polling services with Toluna. Here are some of the best responses, grouped together by theme. Keep writing in with your responses, which we'll publish through the weekend until Marty Nemko publishes his column on Monday.

First thing, let's kill all the loopholes

- The closest thing there is to a consensus: We have way too many deductions, expenditures, loopholes, what ever you want to call them...and that making the tax code more efficient would mean getting rid of most of these, lowering nominal tax rates and raising slightly more tax revenue.

- Close all the tax loopholes for giant corporations, oil companies, and big-pharma. I would also let the Bush tax cuts expire for those making over $1 million per year.

- Close the many loopholes that make it possible for people with very large incomes to avoid paying their share of taxes, so that the middle class is carrying the heaviest tax burden, and is left without enough money to make ends meet.

- Eliminate tax breaks for the wealthy. We have been waiting for the 'trickle down' for almost ten years now, and it has not happened. A flat tax rate is ideal, but if we are to help anyone out with tax breaks, it should be the lower to middle classes.

- A flat percentage for high-income people without loop holes that they can use to escape paying their fair share of taxes

- I'd take out some of the loopholes that do not apply to the Average Joe (and Josephine) , such as capital gains deductions, and limit the mortgage deductions to homeowners who live in that particular tax-deducted home.

Create a national sales tax

I'd like to raise the capital gains tax for anything held less than six months or a year.  Someone else suggested a variable rate tied to income, and I could see that.

I think a national sales tax on non-essential things (ie excluding clothes, food, housing)  as well as a smaller flat tax on income over the poverty line would also be OK.

Mostly I'd like to close off a lot of the funky stuff that separates the wealthy from everyone else. They wouldn't need to go through such tax code contortions if there was a little more fairness in the general model.  Fewer hoops means less jumping.

Focus on progressivity

I'd put some of the progressiveness back into the tax code.  Want to tax capital gains at a lower rate, fine; but no need to have it be flat.  Is investment really going to dry up if the cap gains rates are 15, 20, and 25% for certain income levels?  

I'd also look at phasing out the mortgage interest deduction.  It think it is in part responsible for the housing bubble and incents people to buy bigger houses than they need (McMansions). Buy as big of a house as you'd like, but We The People don't need to be subsidizing it.

Third point is to strengthen the inheritance tax.  Eliminating it is in my mind a big step towards creating a permanent aristocracy, which is not what this country was founded upon.  I'm fine with a several million dollar carve out based on the idea of family farms, businesses, etc., but I don't like the idea of junior getting millions upon millions of unearned money for free.

Tax the rich

- Tax the rich. Why is my labor taxed at a higher rate than money invested? That's telling me that something on paper is worth more than my actual work.

- The Warren Buffet principle that his secretary shouldn't pay more taxes than he does. The wealthy should have to pay the same percentage as everyone else.

Collectibility is key

A 3-tiered flat tax rate across the board for everyone with very few tax deductions or no deductions. This ensures almost 100% collectibility and leaves very little room to cheat on one's taxes

Everyone should pay

- A prorated tax where everyone, and I mean everyone, pays something. Even the poor should pay a tiny bit. Now it has about 10 different tiers or levels. You cannot run a nation where only 52% of the people pay the [income] taxes to run it.

- Don't give money back to people on welfare who also get to collect on the earned income credit. They end up with thousands of dollars for sitting around doing nothing

It's not the taxes, it's the welfare

i think we should be more concerned about the abuse of the welfare system and food stamps and less concerned about taxes





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32 comments

  • Guy  •  Yelm, Washington  •  3 months ago
    Some good ideas although I'd still prefer to eliminate the income tax and institute a low, flat national sales tax with an exemption for the poorest. Problem is everyone has an agenda. Don't tax food, don't tax labor, don't tax investments, don't tax my house, don't tax second hand sales, etc., etc. If we tax everything, the rich would pay more because they spend more. More on a house, more on a car, more on investments, more on health care (think cosmetic surgery) more on everything. I think we all agree on one thing, something has got to change. At least eliminate the earned income credit as that is so abused it's a joke. If everyone insists on an income tax, tax all income the same. Same rate for passive as earned. This picking and choosing rates and loopholes is nothing more than social engineering at it's worst.
  • Marc S  •  3 months ago
    Couple corrections.....
    1) Gains held for less than 1 year ARE taxed at ordinary income now. The 15% cap gains tax only kicks in for gains held longer than 1 year.
    2) Poor people DO pay taxes. A single mom who has 2 kids at home and makes 20K a year....spends 20K a year.....this is $1600 in sales tax paid into the system. Anytime you wanna be one of those free-loading americans ....you can. Problem is......you don't want to be them, so stop acting like they are getting some great deal. It's tough being poor. This country was built on the empowerment of others....not the exploitation of others. Get a clue and stop regurgitating the crap you hear on TV. Do a little thinking of your own on the topic.
    • PowerPlayer 3 months ago
      So, are you saying that every single person living in person is incapable of doing better?
    • PowerPlayer 3 months ago
      So, are you saying that every single person living in poverty is incapable of doing better? Just understand our position. some of us pay a lot more for things like schools, roads, and police protection than others. Some people pay 100 times more than the value of what they get back, while other people don't even come clsoe to paying enough to even cover the cost fo their kids being in school. then on top of it a bunch of liberals start acting like we are evil because we aren't doing more. It goes both ways. Some of us are doing a lot, but yet get criticized for not doing more, while others barely do anything and people like you make ecuses for them and act like they are the good guys and those of us paying to support everything are bad. What kind of logic is that? It seems like the people making $20,000 a year with two kids would be appreciative that some rich person is paying for their kids education, but instead they act like the rich person is evil because they don't give them more. All I can say is it is a crazy world we live in.
    • William Weber 3 months ago
      People in Texas do not pay taxes on food, so that single mom is not going to spend $1600 in taxes unless she gets food stamps or food from a charity. And there is no sales tax on bus fare, nor is there sales tax on gasoline (all other taxes are embedded in the price). And there is no sales tax on rent of an apartment or house.
  • rusty bucket  •  Phoenix, Arizona  •  3 months ago
    The biggest problem with our tax code is only 50% of the population pays taxes.
    The other 50% feed from the publilc trough
    The number of people working for the federal government is greater than the combined total of the 35 largest corporations in the world! Thats a BIG trough!
    • A Yahoo! User 3 months ago
      We need the wealthy to invest more of that minimally taxed money into businesses that will create jobs for these people who "feed from the public trough". Then they can pull their own weight. The only problem with that is most of the really wealthy only deal in financial investments and don't ever get dirty with such things as businesses they run themselves.
    • William Weber 3 months ago
      When the income tax was created way back in the 1900s, only the rich people paid any income tax. Most of the people in the US lived on farms and were dirt poor. My great-grandparents never paid any income tax, that's how poor they were. Grew their own food and had enough of a cash crop to be able to pay the property tax and buy some food items at the nearby country store.
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      They died in their 80s in the 1950s.
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      Now what were you complaining about ?
    • Pen 3 months ago
      Curious about the source for all these facts stated so definitively. Maybe the other 50% are those still out of work. They only count people who are on the unemployment roles and none of those who are still out of work but have hit the limit of benefits. Many near retirement age but out of work took early retirement and don't even get full SSI and never will unless they pay back what they've gotten so far and make big money working for someone else (figure those odds).
  • A Yahoo! User  •  3 months ago
    people who retired and live of savings bonda and stocks they have bought all thier life- now you want taxed at higher rates? this is a huge tax on normal hardworking people who bought investments with after tax dollars- some of you need to think b4 you say stupid things
    • William Weber 3 months ago
      Elderly people can be given a deduction.
      The older they get, the bigger the deduction.
      People who are 100 years old get 100 percent deduction.
    • Pen 3 months ago
      You earned average wages during your working years (?) and now make more money than ever before? Yes - you should be taxed for the income you're getting. Sell the stocks and bonds, get long term capital gains write-offs or live off the interest and dividends and pay tax on that amount. Who on earth is going to feel sorry for someone living on more now than they did while working?
  • terryt  •  Dunkirk, New York  •  3 months ago
    No earned income credit,,if you didn't put any in you shouldn't get any out.No breaks for capital gains,it's all income , tax it,,only one home credit,,the one you live in.Everybody pays ssi on entire income,,put in more ,get more back just like everybody else..Tax inheritance like income,,because it is.at market value.
    • terryt 3 months ago
      Tax corporations the same as individuals, No offshore investment credits,but credit for creating and keeping jobs on US shores,makes more tax payers
    • terryt 3 months ago
      Tax wages to foreign workers who work overseas for US corporations
    • terryt 3 months ago
      Import tax on all products made offshore,just because it is made by an America company overseas does not mean it is "made in America,,this includes outsourced parts
  • Wil  •  Reno, Nevada  •  4 months ago
    this was discussed in oregon when i was a kid, flat tax rates you earn(steal or acquire) a dollar you pay a preset tax no loop holes,no deductions. back then it was small 3-4% no sales tax or property taxes no loop holes, you earn you pay period. then the rich would have to pay their share just like the broke
    • Marko 3 months ago
      the rich would love a flat tax. the poor would suffer even more than they are now. while its nice to have the tax code simple it would not increase social-economic mobility. in order to have a middle class there needs to be different tax brackets.
  • chefish  •  Richmond, Virginia  •  3 months ago
    Here's a thought. Pass a Constitutional amendment that ALL congressmen & senators have to abide by the laws they pass & are not exempt from ANY OF THEM! We also need to scrap 2 other items, free healthcare for the politicians in Washinton. Open up the bidding to the insurance companies & have the poiticians portion that they have to pay (just like ALL of the rest of us) taken out of the exhorbitant pay that comes out of my taxes. Next, scrap the huge pensions for these jokers. They currently do not pay ANY Social Security tax at all. They need to say good-bye to the huge pension & get stuck with a Soc Sec check like the rest of us. How can they possibly make laws & policy for things there are not even a part of?
  • Justin  •  3 months ago
    It is all very simple, get rid of loop holes that favor people who can afford good accountants and picks winners and losers, example - Solyndra shouldn't get a free loan and other companies don't. Not Fair.
  • Kelly H  •  Indianapolis, Indiana  •  3 months ago
    Until Bush came along there was a third tier of taxation, just like the one Obama wants to put back. Before it was repealed, we didn't have a deficit, thanks to Clinton. So what's the problem with putting it back in place? And why should we have a special tax rate for capital gains? Income is income!
  • A Yahoo! User  •  3 months ago
    "Fewer hoops means less jumping. " -- That will only add to the obesity problem :)
  • GaryH  •  Garden Grove, California  •  4 months ago
    You're in the ballpark, Derek, especially the point about investment income taxed at a lower rate than hard-earned life-sucking wages, but one big point I differ on. Interest on a home mortgage should probably remain deductable because interest rates are controlled by government spending, which results in inflation when government prints more money than it has. Keeping mortgage interest deductable tends to keep government in line, because the more they print, the higher the interest and the lower the government income. Otherwise government has no throttle control to print money endlessly. Maybe we should go back to the times not that long ago when ALL interest paid on loans was deductable.
  • Noneya  •  Charlotte, North Carolina  •  3 months ago
    The one thing that kills me is all of you that blame mortgage interest deduction for the housing bubble. You take that away you will kill me and all of us that pay the most taxes. It was great when we had credit card interest deductions until you all took that away, and now the credit card companies are raping us by raising rates even when you have great credit and pay your bills on time. Like that is fair. When the laws change to make it better for us, it hurt, especially at a time people lost jobs. Credit cards raised rates on balances that already existed putting people further and further in debt and a longer time to pay. They should have never been allowed to do that on previous balances. Why do you always want to act like you are helping the middle class but in reality you make things worse and we pay more. Housing bubble happened because of greedy banks and loan officers not because we the homeowner get a tax break. Wake up America, see how they want to take all of deductions away. Banks and mortgage brokers gave loans to those that could not afford homes to begin with or put them in higher priced homes that in the future when their arm went up they could no longer afford. I still see realtors selling houses that are putting families way in over their heads. We need to educate and be ethical about helping others and informing them, not selling them on idealistic American dream that is truly out of reach but will make us rich. Whatever happened to being flat out honest with others in business. Greed has gotten us here, not mortgage interest deductions. LEAVE MY ONLY TAX DEDUCTION ALONE!!!!!!
  • terryt  •  Dunkirk, New York  •  3 months ago
    Set limits on federal and state pensions,,deduct other pensions and social security ,no double dipping..
  • A Yahoo! User  •  3 months ago
    awe--- buffetts secretary just bought her second home in Suprise AZ. must be tough making 300-500k per yr
  • gus  •  3 months ago
    "I don't like the idea of junior getting millions upon millions of unearned money (inheritance) for free" LOL, just before this comment, the 'author' in the article said it should be taken away and given out to complete strangers for free via a stronger inheritance tax. i mean, WOW.
  • gus  •  3 months ago
    wow. those are your 'best" responses? there are glaring errors in there, notably the short term capital gains tax (which already is higher) & the warrren buffet rule, which over and over and over and over has been explained that he was talking about his cap gains tax & his secretary's income tax (apples v oranges)... and those are your BEST from hundreds & hundreds? were the others just random letters & numbers?
  • Justin  •  3 months ago
    Flat tax. You get money, you give money, same rate, simple. No other taxes because all money has already been taxed once.
  • terryt  •  Dunkirk, New York  •  3 months ago
    Cap lifetime retirement accounts at 2million dollars.After you put your nest egg away you pay tax on all your income.
  • A Yahoo! User  •  3 months ago
    did you know warren buffet would pay more in taxes if he bought and sold in one yr, but he holds longer than one yr for a reason---- su he doesnt pay higher taxes
  • Marko  •  Burbank, California  •  3 months ago
    Make a constitutional amendment that says "Corporations rights are always INFERIOR or equal to those of live persons. This includes RIGHTS, POLITICAL CONTRIBUTIONS, AND TAXATION" I want both people and corporations to pay low taxes! Why should corporations be favored over people? Make no distinction between corporations and people and then corporations fight to lower taxes for everybody. capital gains and superpacs effectivly make corporations superior to people. anyone can form a corporation but who can keep up with all the paperwork without a dedicated lawyer and accountant? this is the biggest loophole in the tax code! there is no real reason there cant be one tax code for both corporations and people. one set of tax brackets, one set of allowable deductions and if a deduction can't be taken by a live person then it should be eliminated as a corporate deduction.
 
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