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Source: Greek plan cannot sufficiently reduce debt

AP Source: Plans to reduce Greek debt to sustainable levels are far off target

BRUSSELS (AP) -- Current plans to save Greece from financial collapse would still leave the country with debt far above the maximum level set by its international creditors, a European diplomat said Thursday.

When they tentatively agreed on more help for Greece in October, the leaders of the 17 euro countries said the country's debt load had come down to 120 percent of its economic output by 2020 — the maximum they said was manageable without external support. The new level is now expected to be closer to 129 per cent, the diplomat said.

The fact that even substantial new help, both from the eurozone and private bondholders, cannot sufficiently decrease Greece's debt load is one of the main reasons doubts over a second, euro130 billion ($170 billion) bailout for Athens have emerged.

The diplomat was citing figures from a new report by Greece's international debt inspectors — the European Commission, the International Monetary Fund and the European Central Bank.

The report analyses Greece's growth prospects over the coming years as well as the impact of new austerity measures promised by Athens, a euro100 billion ($130.92 billion) debt relief Greece has negotiated with private bondholders and the new bailout.

The diplomat was speaking on condition of anonymity because the report is confidential. He couldn't say into how much money would be necessary to close the gap between the 129 percent and the 120 percent target. At the moment Greece's debt is just above 160 percent of economic output and, without the debt relief, it would rise to around 200 percent by the end of this year.

The fact that there is a financing gap in the new aid program has been known for some time and is one of the main reasons the debate over the new bailout has heated up in recent days. Politicians — particularly those from rich countries like Germany, the Netherlands and Finland — have cited the so-called debt sustainability analysis for Greece as one of the main elements in their decision over whether to send more money to Athens.

Officials from the eurozone countries, the Commission and the IMF have been discussing for weeks how to close the gap to the 120 percent goal.

The biggest hopes have been laid on the ECB, which holds some euro50 billion ($65 billion) to euro55 billion ($72 billion) in Greek government bonds. Since the central bank bought these bonds at a discount — analysts estimate the ECB spent around euro40 billion ($52.37 billion) — it stands to make a hefty profit if they get repaid in full.

For the past few weeks, ECB officials have hinted that the bank could redistribute these profits to the eurozone countries that are its shareholders, which could then use those funds to further support Greece. However, no final decision has been announced so far.

Another way to help close the gap would be to further lower the interest rates on the bailout loans Greece has been receiving since May 2010.

The diplomat said another option had been discussed by finance ministers during their conference call Wednesday night: helping Greece with an upcoming euro5.5 billion interest payment to bondholders. But he said no decision had been taken on that proposal.

In recent days, concern has crept back into the markets that Greece could still be forced into a disorderly default on a vital euro14.5 billion ($19 billion) bond repayment due next month.

In addition to the financing gap revealed in the new report, politicians in several countries have questioned the commitments of the leaders of Greece's main political parties to implement promised reforms and cuts even after elections expected in April.

Lackluster implementation would further increase the financing gap in the bailout program and leave Greece even further away from a manageable debt load.

"We can help (Greece), but we can't pour (money) into a bottomless pit," Germany's Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble told German Suedwestrundfunk radio Wednesday.

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Pan Pylas in London contributed to this story.

 

17 comments

  • H  •  3 months ago
    What gave it away? The 50% loan reduction from the sovereign banks, the inability to pay private creditors or the need to ask for another bailout?
  • george  •  3 months ago
    THE GREEK PRESS ARE NOW REFERRING TO THE GERMAN CITIZENRY AS NAZIS. THIS IS DESPICABLE SCAPEGOATING OF THE WORST KIND, AND GREECE DESERVES NOTHING FROM ITS EUROPEAN NEIGHBORS. IF THERE WEREN'T AN EPIDEMIC OF TAX EVASION IN THAT COUNTRY, THEY'D BE IN FAR BETTER CONDITION THAN THEY ARE. THEY DESERVE TO REAP WHAT THEY HAVE SOWN.
    • J 3 months ago
      The EU deserves to take it in their collective cornholes for lending money to a country that can't repay it. Just kick Greece out of the EU.
  • anarchist  •  3 months ago
    No way the Greek citizens will sign up to a century of slavery to their German masters.
  • Dennis  •  3 months ago
    Why don't they just declare bankruptcy and shove it up those banks to let them get this far along.
  • JP  •  Surfside, California  •  3 months ago
    There is a giant and quite loud sucking sound coming from this socialist union scab on the earth. Someone pull the plug.
  • Tom  •  Easton, Pennsylvania  •  3 months ago
    Greece should just default and get it over with. It's inevitable. Time to take the default and get on with your lives. Iceland did it and they seem to be doing just fine. Tell the banks to shove it.
  • srb  •  3 months ago
    "Greek plan cannot sufficiently reduce debt"
    That's NOT the intent of the plan. The plan seeks to hide the amount of bad paper that France and others are holding. Greece as yet does not understand the power that it posesses.
  • Joel, center right politi ...  •  Seattle, Washington  •  3 months ago
    "Source: Greek plan cannot sufficiently reduce debt because it was never about reducing debt, rather it was always about reducing the size of the bottom 90% pocket books instead and that's coming along nicely." ;-)
  • Todd  •  Sunnyvale, California  •  3 months ago
    Europe and the US are in serious debt problems, Greece is the least of the problem. A major day of reckonning is coming that will mark the greatest and longest depression ever seen before in the US and Europe. It may take 5 years, 10 years maybe 20 years before it will happen but it is coming and the longer it takes to start the worse it will be. Too much debt funded consumption and entitlements have sealed our fate.
    • bobob 3 months ago
      the fed will just keep printing money till the next world war, wanna bet?
    • BTWilliams2429 3 months ago
      You do not even understand the cliches you spout...and most people dont. It is not as simple as the Fed "printing money". Yes they create credit out of nothing...but they LEND it. They do not spend it. This is a key distinction. Printed money is not free. The "rent" on the money is free...but not the money itself. So, if you have access to this printed money from the FED...and you borrow it...you still have to make a return on the money. If you can not deploy that capital in a manner that results in a positive return, you wont take the money. So...the FED can create trillions....by buying up securities, but in the end...if no one wants to borrow the money they create, nothing happens.
  • george  •  3 months ago
    THE GREEK PROBLEM HAS NO SOLUTION.
  • hubert  •  Tampa, Florida  •  3 months ago
    why is this suddenly news. i am no harvard educated economist but it has been obvious there is no way that a deal could work even if the greeks were trying, which they are not. They will promise whatever they need to screw those who lent them money to live over their heads and will go back to what they have always done---sit on their #$%$ and go for more entitlements. the key to this conclusion is the fact they and everyone has acknowledged they need to eliminate 150000 government jobs in five years (unionized, of course). So what do they do, set up a plan to eliminate 15000 in the first year. they should give you a hint as to what is going to happen. i am an old man and probably wont be around to watch this happen in the usa but my children and grandchildren will unfortunately because we have become just like the greeks
  • asdf  •  San Jose, California  •  3 months ago
    The will have to reduce spending below revenue in order for the debt to not grow. This is socially and politically impossible in their situation.
  • notsofast  •  Calgary, Canada  •  3 months ago
    slavery or bankrupsy that is the question
  • Megameat  •  Washington, District of Columbia  •  3 months ago
    European Socialism is inhumane, unsustainable and, subject to the immutable laws of economics, has failed utterly. But the politicians, as they scramble to #$%$ away ever greater sums to paper over their own malfeasance, magnify the ultimate pain by denying the root cause: an overweening, overspending bureaucratic Monster. In the wake of fiscal collapse, the social safety net will unravel to expose the false promises made by statist politicians. And the ultimate insult: an American president who embraces the European Model as a means to destroy the America that Frank Marshall Davis, Bill Ayers and Reverend Wright taught him to hate.
  • alter  •  3 months ago
    Why read about Greece, who cares about their tiny finance problem. Why not spend time reading about Oblamer, the man who spent more than any other president in the history of the world?
  • Brian Huang  •  3 months ago
    The Greeks will come up short again because productivity and output is declining. The data being used for their economic models are faulty because they are not dont accurately predict future GDP.....
  • A A  •  3 months ago
    Austerity with NO FUTURE. Who the %$$$%%$%$%^$%^$%$##@@@ is going to agree to that?
 
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