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Talks on Greek bailout hang in the balance

Meetings under way in Greece as nation's bailout hangs in the balance

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ATHENS, Greece (AP) -- Politicians met with Prime Minister Lucas Papademos on Sunday to consider demands by Greece's creditors for tougher austerity measures, private-sector pay cuts and layoffs of civil servants.

At the same time, Finance Minister Evangelos Venizelos met separately with representatives of banks in an effort to complete a bond swap deal that would reduce Greece's debt by euro100 billion ($131.6 billion).

Both efforts must be successful if deeply indebted Greece is to receive a new euro130 billion ($171 billion) bailout from other countries in Europe and around the globe to prevent it defaulting before the end of March.

A failure of the negotiations would be a big setback in the eurozone economic crisis and probably unsettle financial markets worldwide.

Greece must get a passing grade on budget and structural reforms by inspectors from the so-called troika — the European Union, the European Central Bank and the International Monetary Fund — but in a country deep in recession, with unemployment at 19 percent, many politicians and unions oppose more austerity measures.

Papademos met Sunday with three top politicians who support his coalition government: former Prime Minister George Papandreou; Antonis Samaras, head of New Democracy, and Giorgos Karatzaferis, leader of Popular Orthodox Rally. All three appeared to remain opposed to more wage cuts in Greece.

Unions and employers' associations also have warned that private-sector wage cuts would deepen the nation's recession, now in its fourth year.

Members of the troika met with Papademos, Venizelos and Labor Minister Giorgos Koutroumanis on Sunday, but did not comment about what they had discussed.

Venizelos' talks with the banks about the proposed bond swap deal involved Charles Dallara, managing director of Washington-based Institute of International Finance, and Jean Lemierre, senior adviser to the chairman of French bank BNP Paribas.

Josef Ackermann, the CEO of Germany's Deutsche Bank and another member of the Institute of International Finance, also arrived in Athens on Sunday.

As an earlier round of talks between Papademos and the troika continued past midnight Saturday, a senior government official said the Greek government does not share the troika's views about how Greece's economy should be modified to make it more competitive.

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Nicholas Paphitis contributed to this report.

 

21 comments

  • Allison  •  3 months ago
    Why does America continue to offer advice when their own finances are such a mess.

    U.S. Tax revenue: $2,170,000,000,000
    Fed budget: $3,820,000,000,000
    New debt: $ 1,650,000,000,000
    National debt: $14,271,000,000,000
    Recent budget cuts: $ 38,500,000,000

    Let's now remove 8 zeros and pretend it's a household budget:

    Annual family income: $21,700
    Money the family spent: $38,200
    New debt on the credit card: $16,500
    Outstanding balance on the credit card: $142,710
    Total budget cuts: $385

    Do they get it now?
    • Ryan 3 months ago
      Over 10 trillion of US debt is actually owed to US based organisations, with the biggest one being the Fed. Others include local government and pension funds. Therefore the model you show is far too simplistic.
    • Mike 3 months ago
      I agree with Ryan, America can be seen as two identities one the government and the people and two the wealthy corporations/investment groups. America itself is going under but is still the wealthiest due to this two tier system. its also perfect for showing the world their troubles while the wealth holders reel in the big fish. one could even say its akin to war what’s happening ownership is being taken of other countries without the obvious exchange of gunfire.
      so while the us government will go broke America as a collection of rich people will remain strong.
    • Jael 3 months ago
      Hi Allison. I loved your figures. Here's an analogy I saw recently.
      Here's another way to look at the Debt Ceiling:

      Let's say, You come home from work and find there has been a sewer
      backup in your neighbourhood....and your home has sewage all the way up
      to your ceilings.

      What do you think you should do ......

      Raise the ceilings, or pump out the 5hit?
  • Mike  •  Brisbane, Australia  •  3 months ago
    Greece is a sinking ship and Capitalism itself is the iceberg so to speak. When each country in the EU bails it out further they are themselves taking up debt and soon will need bailing out as well. Capitalism requires large growth for it to continue to work and with wealth concentration that is not going to happen anytime soon. A country may try to print more money but as its unbaked the currency drops. The dilemma is that to save the economy and the people in it they need to take away certain freedoms such as generational wealth growth. But if they did this then they would also kill off the government for obvious reasons. The only real way for the global economies were to survive was for the average person including the top to be happy with what they have. But as long as everyone wants more then the person next to them, or the ability to make money on money at a rate higher then inflation then this gap will only grow and the situation will only get worse till its an all out class war.

    This is not fiction its fact proven by historical events in which when people get to a point of extreme poverty they fight back and usually its not pretty for anyone when that happens.
    • Jenny 3 months ago
      Hello Mike, nice to see you back. I said at the new year that I think we are already in a world wide civil class war, just the phoney stage of it. Conflict between money and people will sharpen. I hope I'm wrong and things will work out for the best somehow like a early 19th century novel. Already we are seeing battles at sea over whaleing, extraordinary aggression between farmers and gas seam miners, and in other areas of the world. I even hear The Superbowl will be a target. I hear Hawaii is picking up but no-where else really.I don't think everybody wants more except as security. What used to be money in the bank. When I was young expressions like ''safe as money in the bank'' ''safe as houses'' or ''safe as the Bank of England'' ''Sound as a pound'' etc, were commonplace. Now there is a feeling of insecurity in the air, so to speak..
    • jason l 3 months ago
      @ MIkethats crony capitalism mate. true capitalism just works. its what america was built on. but that is a distant memory
  • stuart h  •  Sydney, Australia  •  3 months ago
    typo, sorry my keyboard
  • stuart h  •  Sydney, Australia  •  3 months ago
    Nothing can stop the Corruption in Greece. Tax evasion, paying no tax is a national passtime.The major powers she not hand over more , full stop, The Greeks promiised a reduction of the deficit 2 years back and instead of this, the deficit is now higher.
  • Klaus  •  Muskegon, Michigan  •  3 months ago
    no more US tax payers $ to the IMF/ECB(EZB) bailing out Europe. let us pay down our tril in debt first, Geithner/Bernanke/Obama no mare tax $ to Europe.
    • Robert 3 months ago
      The massive debts of Euro banks is due in part to their exposure to the US sub-prime fraud. So in reality Europe subsided teh US not the other way round...
  • T  •  Sydney, Australia  •  3 months ago
    Greece is a slow sinking ship, stand clear people, it's going down.
  • Matthew  •  Springfield, Missouri  •  3 months ago
    It is a black hole, Greece said they might still need more bailouts later down the road after the 145 billion Euro.. Looks like Game Over.. Lets see if this Greece default can be contained from spreading?? My guess is only short term until the whole house of cards crumbles, including USA's 16 Trillion DEBT..
    • Mike 3 months ago
      Whats intresting is the ones who will collect will be the ones to watch. As its on how they play their cards that will determin if they have it all or if the countries decide simply not to pay.
    • Jenny 3 months ago
      Well Mike Argentina defaulted and did very well but should any of her assets like a battleship or a plane be out of her territory thay can be seized.
  • A Yahoo! User  •  Elmhurst, Illinois  •  3 months ago
    GLOBAL TERRORIST CRYING LIKE BABYS IF THEY DON'T GET MORE PRINTING............I HOPE WORLD WAR THREE FOUR FIVE AND SIX START IT THEY GET THEIR WAY!................
  • A Yahoo! User  •  Elmhurst, Illinois  •  3 months ago
    WE DON'T NEED OSAMA BIN LADEN WE HAVE THE ECB............................THESE A'HOLES ARE RUINING THE SMALLEST OF THE SMALL.............QUIT THIS NON-SENSE POLITICAL BAILOUTS IMMEDIATELY...........WE DON'T NEED YOUR PHONY HELP!
  • A Yahoo! User  •  Elmhurst, Illinois  •  3 months ago
    TANK THIS MARKET ALREADY..............................gas back to $1.00.................we are all living in vacuum getting sucked up by this corrupt policys!.............STOP IT ALREADY!
  • A Yahoo! User  •  Elmhurst, Illinois  •  3 months ago
    QUIT THIS FAKE #$%$ ALREADY................................................TANK THIS MARKET AND YOU WILL BE VERY HAPPY WHEN YOU DRIVE TO GAS STATION AND IT COST $.90 FOR GAS NOT $10.00..................ROT IN HELL ECB IMF AND THE FEDERAL GOVERMENT..........PIGGS.....................
  • siggy  •  Sydney, Australia  •  3 months ago
    Greece is only a small economy. It’s a side-show. But it is the domino that might expose the bigger bankrupts including Spain, Italy and of course the USA !!
  • Lucian  •  Brisbane, Australia  •  3 months ago
    Lets just Bobmb Greece and whipe it off the map all together, oh hang on, they dont have any oil do they?? Olive oil maybe. Farking over hearing about these stupid countries. Juet get the Global Crisis started already or dont, but either way im OVER IT!!
    • Jo-Anne 3 months ago
      they don't have oil maybe they're looking at Greece for bio-fuel? :)
  • Simpson  •  3 months ago
    Instead of posing for a photo, maybe they should be doing something to fix their mess.
  • Franco  •  Canberra, Australia  •  3 months ago
    Charles Dallara, Jean Lemierre and Josef Ackermann what a shamefull trio to ask for more sacrifices from the greeks in order to keep high their lifestile. We live in a world where there are no limits to hypocrisy patheticity and real shame. Greeks.....get out of this greedy worldwide corrupted mess if you want this nightmare to end.
  • Fred  •  Sydney, Australia  •  3 months ago
    @Alison far from a failure the EU has a remarkable success, regardless what British euro sceptics say. Greece is the problem not the EU. The Greeks lied and mismanaged their finances. The joker who is the leader at the moment was the chief architect in getting Greece into the Euro by lying! There needs to be a cultural change in Greece if things are to improve
  • Allison  •  3 months ago
    The EU is a failed experiment. Surely the powerbrokers can see that.
  • A Yahoo! User  •  3 months ago
    Get me a souvlaki, Spiros
  • Keith  •  3 months ago
    And on and on it goes.............
  • Rum  •  Salem, Oregon  •  3 months ago
    Everyone at this poker table has gone all in with a bad hand, and they are refusing to let the dealer turn over the river card. Those who lead europe, whether they be public or private, have already abandoned Greece. Their continued arguments are really about who amongst them will pay for their foolishness and avarice.
 
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