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US, Europe Face More Ratings Cuts in Coming Years

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The string of sovereign debt downgrades in recent months could be just the beginning. The US, Europe-even Germany-could face further ratings cuts over the next three years, according to a lengthy analysis this week by Citigroup.

The US, in fact, is at the top of the list for possible downgrades because its debt and deficit troubles are unlikely to be resolved with the political infighting in Washington, the study says.

Some of the other usual suspects also are on Citi's list - the European peripheral nations in particular such as Greece and Spain.

But even mighty Germany, seen as the continent's most secure economy, could face a downgrade as the sovereign debt crisis escalates and a European recession spreads through the region.

"We expect a string of further ratings downgrades for advanced-economy sovereign debt, and do not expect any ratings upgrades," Citi analysts Michael Saunders and Mark Schofield wrote.

That includes American debt, which Standard & Poor's downgraded in August in a move that set off a more than 600-point one-day selloff in the Dow industrials.

"Failure to agree on a full-year extension of payroll tax relief and long-term jobless benefits in December has reinforced worries that ideological divides in Congress will prevent progress toward fiscal consolidation anytime soon," Citi's Robert V. DiClemente and Brett Rose said. "Longer-term current policy projections show federal debt levels spiraling upward as entitlement caseloads and health care costs rise."

Citi said it is keeping its outlook unchanged on US debt in the near term but sees trouble looming for the American rating over the next two to three years.

Indeed, the list of potential downgrades is ominous and serves as a reminder that while the U.S. equity markets seem conveniently to have forgotten about the world's debt troubles, some stern and punitive reminders are on the way.

Further downgrades for the U.S., and the initial downgrade for Germany, could be a few years away.

But in the next six months, the ratings agencies are likely again to start rattling their sabers, starting with the declaration of a Greek default that is approaching a near-certainty in March.

In fact, in the next six months, Citi expects Moody's to cut ratings for Italy, Spain, Portugal and Greece, with the nascent recovery in Ireland allowing it to be the only one of the "PIIGS" nations to escape the downgrade scalpel.

Additionally, France and Austria are deemed likely for a "negative outlook," while Greece will be placed into either "selective default" or "outright default."

Going out further, the next two to three years are likely to see downgrades not only to the US but also to Japan, France, Italy, Spain, Austria, Belgium, Finland, the Netherlands and Portugal.

And that's not all.

Both Germany and the United Kingdom - relative stalwarts through the crisis so far - are starting at possible cuts in their respective outlooks to "negative" in the next two to three years.

A German cut would be startling because it has managed to maintain fiscal discipline and avoid the debt troubles of its neighbors. The UK, meanwhile, would also raise eyebrows because it had the prudence to decline membership in the European Union's currency zone, keeping the pound and not being as constrained in monetary policy as those countries using the euro.

"If the sovereign debt crisis escalates further, we think the rating agencies are likely to put Germany's AAA status on negative outlook as well in the course of this year," Citi's Jurgen Michaels and Robert Crossley wrote.

The analysts said Germany's contributions to the Eurozone bailout funds and banking system support make it susceptible to budget pressures as well, with the outcome "depending on the crisis escalation."

So is anybody safe?

Citi says the only real European havens from downgrades will be Switzerland, Denmark, Norway and Sweden.

Globally, the picture also is narrow.

Only Canada, "some smaller European economies, and the Antipodean countries" - a reference generally to Australia and New Zealand - seem safe from the downgrade doom.

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16 comments

  • Affectionate  •  Pleasanton, California  •  4 months ago
    Vote Ron Paul and watch the US rating hold strong. The rest like Romney, Newt and Obama are for using trillions in debt to bankrupt the country as they line their own pockets. The bankers control the White House and will until Ron Paul takes it and gives the country back to the people. Ron Paul will end the debt, war, and banker theft. Vote Ron Paul in 2012.
  • bb3924  •  4 months ago
    where is the outrage and the reporting on the "sham" aka the increase in the debt ceiling vote fiasco. the reporting of the "deal" that relieves congress of it's constitutional responsibility to manage the people's purse strings is absent. So, congress no longer has to appropriate money, now the president demands a $1trillion and all that's required is congress just doesn't vote NO, nor override his veto. THAT is an incredibly dangerous precedent negotiated by our spineless politicians. And, what is to prevent this presidential power from running amuck? oh ya, that's right, it's congress!!!

    Vote all these clowns out. Blowing $20trillion in four years is enough. But wait, the defecit only went up $5trillion. Yes, but they also sepnt an addituional $3Trillion per year too... That's $20trillion.
    • michaelc 4 months ago
      If the United States government was a public corporation it would have been bankrupt already !
  • Daemonicus  •  Louisville, Kentucky  •  4 months ago
    The solution is simple and easy. They need to borrow even more to pay off their debts. That was easy.
  • S N  •  4 months ago
    Years, why not months? The US Gov Bums will be looking to raise the Debt ceiling again by the end of the year, that loser we call President already wants to blow thru the last 1.2 Bill by the end of the year which will put us at 16.4 Trill, I bet they spend it all by July.
    • tallyman 4 months ago
      Obama has asked Congress for this debt increase, just this week.
  • j  •  Dallas, Texas  •  4 months ago
    Pushing 16.5 trillion dollar debt. Obamanomics. What do you expect.
  • boondocker  •  Auckland, New Zealand  •  4 months ago
    The UK was very wise (or lucky) not to join the Euro. There are still politicians in the UK who want it to join the Euro. What is truly amazing is that they have some public support!
  • michaelc  •  4 months ago
    Congress and the rest of the federal government ( like the president) is like a teenager who has maxed out his/her credit card and comes back to dad to raise their limit. Hear me now! NO MORE MONEY TO SPEND ! STOP IT NOW ! Vote for Ron Paul. He knows how to get Congress to stop the spending. They are like runaway horses and wagon. Totally out of control !
  • _  •  Stamford, Connecticut  •  4 months ago
    The #$%$ whole global financial market should be downgrade!!!!!!!! Everyone is borrowing from someone to run their business!!!!!!!!!! No one is using their own money anymore!!!!!!!!!!!
  • michaelc  •  4 months ago
    In science this condition is known as 'entropy'. Everything sinks to its lowest level.
  • Sam  •  4 months ago
    S&P ratings are pure hogwash and the markets do not care. The probability of default is zero for the U.S. and for the majority of European countries. S&P has been trying to play God, a strategy that simply does not work for market players. S&P has made a fool out itself with its bad analysis and bad research. The Financila Times has rated them as "Junk". We rate them "FFF."
    • S N 4 months ago
      Nobody is buying your #$%$
    • Sand 4 months ago
      Markets simply do not care about S and P -- these people are rascals and their AAA ratings on mortgage securities is proof enough. Hey, remember Enron, Lehman...the list is endless.
  • Herr Obama  •  4 months ago
    By the end of this year, (probably sooner if Obama has his way) the US debt will be over 16 Trillion. We will be paying 10 Billion a week in interest. This amount is unsustainable and unserviceable. Our polititicians have set us on a path to insure financial collapse. Their actions go beyond ignorance to the point of treason.
    • tallyman 4 months ago
      Vote Ron Paul for President.
    • Herr Obama 4 months ago
      Would love to have Ron Paul as President. But he will never get the nomination.
  • ANON  •  4 months ago
    I agree absolutely that S&P ratings are useless and irrelevant. The countries were forced to stabilize their economies after the financial crisis, which were caused by all those faulty ratings on mortgage products. Shame on S&P.
    • S N 4 months ago
      These countries are reckless and deserved the downgrades, nobody is buying your #$%$
    • ANON 4 months ago
      Reckless?????? How????????????????? Governments HAD to run up fiscal deficits after the financial crisis due to bad ratings? The credit crisis was a ratings crisis. If the governments did not step in then the fallout would have been far more deeper. Please read your ECON 101 and get the facts straight.
  • Jon  •  4 months ago
    Who cares what S and P thinks? The one thing that has become obvious is their lack of intelligence! Their sovereign ratings head -- John Chambers -- has a degree in literature and shows a lack of understanding of numbers, their research head -- Diane Vazza -- has just a BA in Greek and Latin, and their earlier chief credit officer -- Cliff Griep, who was responsible for the faulty ratings -- continues to reign supreme at the firm. At the height of the crisis, the former Chief Economist David Wyss kept on providing bullish forecasts on housing to everyone's surprise. These people should all be in jail for their bad ratings, particularly Wyss. Even Mark Adelson has publicly lamented the bad analysis in a WSJ article. Mark Adelson is a lawyer, but is trying to fit into a research role! I guess the whole firm needs a pretty thorough cleansing of just do us all a big favor and shut down.
  • Thomas Sluys  •  4 months ago
    The thing I am looking at is that France and Austria are also headed for a negative outlook. This follows the US outlook that is already negative. So this should mean that rising Dow averages means a smaller economy and declining Dow averages means a stronger economy.
  • ANON  •  4 months ago
    S and P is filled with quacks -- they badly need an education. Maybe Mr. McGraw should send them some basic books on reading, writing and arithmetic. After all, these folks think that a $2 trillion error that hey made for U.S, budget projections was short change! Ha! Ha
  • NP  •  Columbia, South Carolina  •  4 months ago
    lol. Socialist America is working out real well. Time to pack your bags kiddies and head over east. I hear they are practicing more capitalism than we are.
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