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China Stimulates the World, But U.S. Fails to Ignite

Posted Nov 10, 2008 11:27am EST by Aaron Task in Investing, Newsmakers, Commodities, Banking

"We must implement the measures to ensure a fast and stable economic development...They are not only the needs of the development of ourselves, but also our biggest contribution to the world."

Or so declared China Premier Wen Jiabao upon announcing his government's staggering $586 billion stimulus package. As a percentage of GDP, China's action is akin to a $2.5 trillion stimulus from the U.S. government.

So we are talking serious money here and financial markets responded, at least initially. Asian markets soared while commodities also rallied, giving a boost to producers like Freeport McMoran. European bourses also advanced and the U.S. opened with strong gains, although the advance dissipated by mid-morning amid continued weakness in financials like Goldman Sachs and GM, the latter after Deutsche Bank lowered its price target to zero.

Perhaps many traders agree with Howard Lindzon of Knight's Bridge Capital, who says the stock market has become even more of a casino than normal lately. Given the continued stress in the hedge fund community, Lindzon says he is trading very little and content to miss the bottom - which he doesn't expect to occur anytime soon, regardless.

41 Comments

JamesV
JamesV - Monday November 10, 2008 02:00PM EST

Shouldn't the government stay out of the stock markets - if an individual was to 'manipulate' the markets like this they would look at jail time. Let the economy take it's natural course, don't try to influence it with money from government coffers because that money originates from the ordinary citizens of this country, who in turn will be taxed to death to put that money back into government coffers - sounds like a viscious circle to me!!!!

Eric
Eric - Monday November 10, 2008 02:07PM EST

Even though people have no faith in things right now, the only answer to reversing this is to have that faith. how hard is it to see that for some people, the money you dump into the system is never going to help if your citizens don't believe that the system can be fixed. you have to Fix things by implementing policies to restructure most major companies not say hey here is all this money go fix it you selves, china is making a smart move for right now putting as many people to work as they can and improving their own infrastructure

Yahoo! Finance User
Yahoo! Finance User - Monday November 10, 2008 02:17PM EST

sounds like a red new deal.

Misled
Misled - Monday November 10, 2008 02:30PM EST

The only answer to reversing this is to let the artificial asset bubbles collapse to naturally supportable levels (3x household income for housing), get all the x- goldman and JP Morgan guys out of government positions, force transparent accounting practices for all IBs, hedge funds, banks, insurance companies, and to create transparent exchanges where things like credit default swaps can be marked to market rather than marked to model. And... let companies that should fail, FAIL and spend government money on incentivizing domestic innovation and manufacturing as well as infrastructure renewall projects. And... abolish the fed and return to gold-backed money.... or make it a felony charge for any bank directors of banks that exceed fractional-reserve lending of 10 to 1. Finally, stop thinking that this will be over soon. This will take 5 years to fix if done the right way... if not done the right way, it will fix itself but over a much longer period. See Japan for forecast of what is to come.

altino
altino - Monday November 10, 2008 02:31PM EST

Talk about bad karma... What goes around... It does come around! It's time to be more humane, to think about the common people, the struggles we face. This Economy as we know it is INHUMANE! Down with the very rich!

William
William - Monday November 10, 2008 02:47PM EST

Our problems are not the fault of the Chinese. We don't save and we don't make very many goods. We had an attractive stable financial which held us up somewhat in international trade; but we screwed that up, perhaps irreversibly so. We can't borrow any more and we don't know how to make things cheaply enough they sell overseas. We need to start saving and learn how to produce good things cheaply. I don't see it happening and we are the only ones to blame.

Daniel
Daniel - Monday November 10, 2008 02:56PM EST

wow, I cant believe the negative energy out here. The stimulus package for China is a good thing for them and the world as their leader announced. Their building of infrastructure will result in economic exports from us. to them, stimulating our economy. I think patients is called for here. The problem we have is at our economic base. (working people without enough income.) Obama may recognize that while trade is good, it needs some restrictions like being balanced with considerations for us employment numbers. Take heart, watch carefully.

Yahoo! Finance User
Yahoo! Finance User - Monday November 10, 2008 03:41PM EST

Stimulus packages are a bailout for irresponsible behavior. What is required is tough love, letting people pay and hopefully learn from their mistakes. Bailouts, whether in America or China etc only encourage irresponsibility at the cost of short term relief. Just like illegal drugs. If you play you pay, no no bailouts

LeoA
LeoA - Monday November 10, 2008 03:59PM EST

GM's electric cars the answer???? The Greenies forget where we get electricity. Most of it comes from coal-fired plants. Obama will effectively put them out of business with his carbon-trading. Where will cheap electricity come from then? I agree with an earlier poster who said that no stimulus plan will work until we utilize the cheap energy available to us. Until we allow meaningful drilling off the coasts, use the world's largest supply of coal, and put people ahead of "snail-darters", we will become a second-rate power controlled by the Arabs and China. Thanks enviornmentalists.

Yahoo! Finance User
Yahoo! Finance User - Monday November 10, 2008 04:33PM EST

Obama to the economy, is what Inspector Clouseau is to policing. Inspector Clouseau Obama.

Fritz
Fritz - Monday November 10, 2008 05:21PM EST

There's nothing better than reading an argument between opinionated economymongers who are duking it out through Yahoo article comments. :) Why don't you go do something constructive, like collect Pokemon cards?

Yahoo! Finance User
Yahoo! Finance User - Monday November 10, 2008 05:28PM EST

in 1930, Governments around the world made the wrong policy by contraction of money supply. Now they are increasing the supply of money, let's just hope it's right this time.

__A_YAHOO_USER__
__A_YAHOO_USER__ - Monday November 10, 2008 05:46PM EST

about GM and the banks.... quote: "...after Deutsche Bank lowered its price target to zero." the first time ever since that crisis a banker tells us the full truth! general motors is worth NOTHING! nothing at all. if - and only if - there are still a few cars needed in america, gm workers should apply for a job at japanese & german carmakers in the usa. maybe this way we could perhaps save a few jobs...........

- Monday November 10, 2008 07:00PM EST

Sow the wind, reap the world wind. Spitting into the whirlwind.

- Monday November 10, 2008 10:07PM EST

What's being asked by the many is that the upper crust , those who have the most financial power,-- voluntarily give up enough of that power so that the many who are without much or any of that power or wealth can live with a minimum of dignity. Of those who have much, much is being asked. It behooves the powerful to rationally give up some power in order to retain some. However, power corrupts. And the wealthy and powerful are disinclined to be generous. The result of too much corruption in the past has been turmoil, revolution and all the excesses which accompany them. Leopards do not change their spots. Those in control rerely give up any part of their power voluntarily. The book , The Lord of the Ring, tells all about the lure of power. We are suffering this financially sick condition because of the unrestrained love of wealth and power by people lacking decency or ethical principles. Villains, all.

jimbo
jimbo - Tuesday November 11, 2008 05:39AM EST

the U.S. has been stimulating the world for the past 100 years - where's the payback - is stimulating a free process

Yahoo! Finance User
Yahoo! Finance User - Tuesday November 11, 2008 01:52PM EST

Funny how the California housing market is in total denial. People still wanting half a mil for a 50 year old house, what a joke.

U.S.A.
U.S.A. - Tuesday November 11, 2008 01:54PM EST

Your exactly right, I heard the same thing on the news about the cal housing market, i think the banks are to blamed as well. You should expect prices to drop another 30% in the next 6 months.

carl
carl - Tuesday November 11, 2008 02:43PM EST

this is what happen's when common sense does not come into play.for both buyer and seller. so now they are both in a jam. the seller has the fed. the buyer has his knee's. anyway gene 30%is low. LET THE GOOD TIMES ROLL.

juanito
juanito - Tuesday November 11, 2008 10:09PM EST

Our Government Has Failed U.S. Yes us &USA. Our market is going down. It's going down. Our Market is going to Crash!!!! When we passed the 700billion dollars there should have been a remarket plan to refinanced the american home owners'! Yes China is stimulating itself however the American Government forgot to take care of its' {her} people. Now we are going to pay the price very hard. Bye AIG, bye GM, bye bye Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and all you BIg Bank Corps! It is time for the little poor people and small Business to start running this country again.

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