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Big 3 Bailout on Hold: What's Good for Wall St. May Not Be Good for Automakers

Posted Nov 14, 2008 12:43pm EST by Aaron Task

Updated from 12:43 p.m. ET 

Facing stiff opposition from Republicans gripped with a sudden case of fiscal conservatism, the Democrats are showing what true leadership is all about: They're abandoning plans for a bailout of U.S. automakers during a lame-duck session, The New York Times reports.

Of course, it's very likely the automakers will eventually get a bailout and Sen. Banking Chairman Christopher Dodd (D-Conn.) notes Treasury already has authority to help the autmakers' finance arms, which are essentially banks (especially in the current environment where everybody is a "bank".)

Update: Earlier Friday, Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson told Bloomberg: "Congress, I believe, should address the question of the auto industry. I encourage Congress to come up with a pot, to get money to deal with this issue."

But Paulson said "other paths" should be used to help the Big Three, not TARP.

 And there's the rub.

Earlier: Republican leaders like Sen. Richard Shelby (R-Ala.) rightfully note the problems the Big Three find themselves in are largely "the legacy of the uncompetitive structure of its manufacturing and labor force." (Not to mention some really bad product decisions.)

But will the American people really tolerate Congress giving a huge bailout to Wall Street while automakers are left to wither and die? If the Big Three fail, the Center for Automotive Research says 2.5 million jobs and $125 billion in personal income would be lost — in just the first year.

OK maybe those are scare-mongering tactics and maybe bankruptcy is a better/viable option — even if turnaround expert Wilbur Ross says otherwise.

But the bottom line is there's still over $400 billion left in TARP. Since Hank Paulson admitted Wednesday the fund isn't what he originally intended it to be anyway, why not use it to help the automakers?

A more fundamental question: Can they survive until the new Congress and Obama administration are sworn in?

324 Comments

sportsmadness
sportsmadness - Friday November 14, 2008 01:18PM EST

Woo hooo ! canuckjeremy ..... you got it right .... I have owned a Toyota Camry for 8 years with zero problems. My previous car a Buick Century I referred to as the "Exxon Valdez" because it was an expensive to repair oil leaking pig. Here is a classic inefficient design. Chrysler builds minivans that can only run on the lowest octane gas or they wont start or stall out. Wow what nighmare. That is why the big three suck so bad.

Whit Chambers
Whit Chambers - Friday November 14, 2008 01:19PM EST

If Aurther Anderson is hired to audit the Federal Reserve and Ken Lay is appointed chairman, everything will be just fiiiiine.

Yahoo! Finance User
Yahoo! Finance User - Friday November 14, 2008 01:20PM EST

My pappy said 'Son your gonna drive me to drinkin' If you don't stop driving that hot rod Lincoln'

Yahoo! Finance User
Yahoo! Finance User - Friday November 14, 2008 01:21PM EST

Are we in for inflation? We have record amount of national debt and need to raise money to pay for this. However a problems exist with raising this money: many corporations and individuals have large losses which will offset current and future taxes; other factors such as rising unemployment. Increased spending, potentially less money to fund this =? print more money?

RONALD C
RONALD C - Friday November 14, 2008 01:22PM EST

all i hear is what the company needs to do to be competitive with the foreign competitors but i have yet to see what the union must do--maybe this is pricing yourself out of a job

tbox2u
tbox2u - Friday November 14, 2008 01:24PM EST

Hmmm once again the average hardworking factory worker in the us gets the shaft. Wall street gets the bailout and alll those jobs go away.

snow
snow - Friday November 14, 2008 01:24PM EST

No Bailout. go to bankruptcy court just like all the rest of us

Jim
Jim - Friday November 14, 2008 01:26PM EST

There are more foreign (including Canada) manufactured parts in 'American' cars than in 'foreign' cars built in the US. The major reason 'foreigners' can maufacture here more 'American' than American companies is their lack of outrageous UAW wages and benefits. The unfunded pension liability alone would take most of the proposed $25B.

sportsmadness
sportsmadness - Friday November 14, 2008 01:27PM EST

Ronald C .... the unions are the problem with the industry. They allow laziness in the quality of the product and overpay the workers producing the substandard fuel inefficient pigs. Just the other day I heard about a senator that has for over 30 years prevented the fuel efficiency standards of American cars. I cant remember his name but he was interviewed by Neil Cavuto.

Mike
Mike - Friday November 14, 2008 01:27PM EST

GM deserves to fail - Wagoner is a fool, he's managed that company to maximize his pocketbook at the expense of every worker (white collar, blue collar, union and contract). If GM is bailed out (or any big 3) I will NEVER buy from them ever again. NEVER... Any company as poorly ran as these should fail - sorry workers, sorry vendors, sorry supporting service companies... you all knew the risk when you jumped into this sector. No one's job is guaranteed (maybe on the government is the closest?) Take a look at the auto makers that are not bankrupt... not paying union wages ($50/hr vs. $20/hr), not carrying generations of legacy responsibilities and building cars buyers want. Want to save GM? UNIONS, step up and save yourselves.... don't make the retired, the unemployed, the military, the non-auto maker employees, YOUR COMPETITION and everyone else an unwilling partern in your GENERATIONS of poor management and profit taking. Stop the madness - file bankruptcy and re-design your company.

Mon
Mon - Friday November 14, 2008 01:28PM EST

Until the UAW comes to the table ready to act like the U.S. Toyota or Nissan workers (which will be never), a bailout of the Big 3 will only delay the inevitable. Also, retooling of the plants to produce much more in the way ofsmaller vehicleswould have to be a major part of the plan

Jim Bob
Jim Bob - Friday November 14, 2008 01:28PM EST

Look for the union label when you are buying that crappy GM, Chrysler or Ford Remember somewhere our union's blowing the cash that should be going to save our hides. Who works hard? And we're complaining. Till Congress caves and they'll be paying our way! So always look for the union label! It says we're able to screw the taxpayers of the U.S.A.!

gooberlicious
gooberlicious - Friday November 14, 2008 01:30PM EST

The US auto industry can suck it. Can you believe that these fools want us to pay them money, so they can continue to operate in an inefficient manor with mountains of debt they can never climb out of? They just need to file for bankruptcy protection and negotiate with their unions just like the airlines did. Although the airlines are hurting, they are in a much better position than they were and will reap the benefits from a rebound when the happy days return. I feel bad for the employees that are suffering as a result of the problems that their companies piled on themselves.

david
david - Friday November 14, 2008 01:30PM EST

Believe it or not: Detroit (the city) wants 10 billion dollars. This is no joke, the pigs are lining up and they all want to try their luck at pulling in some big bucks. This madness has to stop somewhere, somehow, and by someone. If every city gets a cut, then who will be next? Only one board member on the the Detroit board voted, "no". I pity her the next time they meet, I guess she, in her own way, refused to take a seat at the back of the bus. Maybe in twenty years someone will name a street after her, or at least build a statue in some park.

Dave F
Dave F - Friday November 14, 2008 01:30PM EST

Buy American! You have to find something that is made here 1st. I guarantee you every piece of clothing you are wear right now is made somewhere outside the US.

Tuan
Tuan - Friday November 14, 2008 01:30PM EST

Looking at the advertizing billboard. Japanese shown their engineer holding the wrench. American cars company shown bunch of engineers with nice looking suit. That can tell why American Car Company be in today.

alphamicro
alphamicro - Friday November 14, 2008 01:31PM EST

If the Big 3 are so important to this nation, why aren't THEIR leaders and the UAW leaders stepping forward to take pay cuts and provide some givebacks to the industry? Seems to me that they are the people responsible for "breaking" the business, so why don't they join together to help fix it? Could it possibly be that they know it CAN'T be fixed???

Yahoo! Finance User
Yahoo! Finance User - Friday November 14, 2008 01:31PM EST

Let them ALL go bankrupt, including ALL of WallStreet. In fact, ALL the CEOs (and their cronies) of these companies can drag their smelly meatsacks and leave what is left of this country (and don't come back).

Greek
Greek - Friday November 14, 2008 01:31PM EST

The big three does not need a bailout to clean up their mess they are the airlines of a few years ago let them file. They will restructure and fix their problems if we just give them money it will just take longer for them to fix their problems.

jeffrey
jeffrey - Friday November 14, 2008 01:32PM EST

well paying a person 35 dollars a hour to screw on a lugnut finally caught up with tha auto makers. i work in the oilfield and we don't get a pay raise every time the oil goes up a dollar a barrel. And we don't make anything close to what the people in the auto plantss make. So the greed starts at the individual and goes up hill. Thats why the U.S. is in the shape it is in now. Yes I do buy and own AMERICAN made cars and will continue to buy them, and yes they quality has gone down, because americans work ethic has gone down. No-one takes pride in their work. They just want that paycheck at the end of the week.

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