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How the Mighty Have Fallen: Buffett, Other Legends Feel Bear Market Bite

Posted Nov 20, 2008 01:56pm EST by Aaron Task in Investing, Newsmakers, Recession

Feeling mauled by the seemingly undying bear market? Take a look at the year-to-date performance for some biggest of the big-name investors and consider yourself in good company

  • Warren Buffett (Berkshire Hathaway): -43%
  • Ken Hebner (CMG Focus Fund) -56%
  • Harry Lange (Fidelity Magellan): -59%
  • Bill Miller (Legg Mason Value Trust) -50%
  • Ken Griffin (Citadel): -44%
  • Carl Icahn (Icahn Enterprises): -81%
  • T. Boone Pickens: Down $2 billion since July
  • Kirk Kerkorian: Down $693 million on his Ford shares alone

My guest John Roque, managing director and technical analyst at Natixis Bleichroeder, suggests these staggering losses are simply a matter of the fact that "a bear market gets everyone" — even Wall Street legends.

Look no further than Warren Buffett: Shares of his Berkshire Hathaway have tumbled as his recent investment in Goldman Sachs has raised more concern about his exposure to financials than inspired confidence. The cost of credit-default swaps (CDS), or insurance against default, on Berkshire's debt has nearly tripled in two months and is wider than CDSs on many other insurance and financial firms, Bloomberg reports

Of course, Buffett is truly a long-term investor and his defenders say it's far too soon to judge his investment in Goldman, or his much-ballyhooed "Buy American" call in October. But in a true bear market, "everybody gets taken to the cleaners," Roque says, maybe even the "Oracle of Omaha."  

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Yahoo! Finance User
Yahoo! Finance User - Thursday November 20, 2008 02:39PM EST

I really get a kick out of some of you morons. A couple weeks ago many of you were whining the rich guys get rich while we get poorer, they are cheating and making money while we lose it, it's a conspiracy, etc. Whine, whine, whine. Well now you know you were just blowing smoke out your collective a$$es. Even guys like Buffett are not making money on our carcasses. This economy is hurting everyone. So stop being jealous fools and just worry about your own finances. And Warren will worry about his.

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__A_YAHOO_USER__ - Thursday November 20, 2008 02:40PM EST

What ever happen to the market,That good Fund Managers will be the winner once the market turn around.......We ordianry people always ask rightnow if possible, I myself many times, no much patient at alln I like Vegas Style but to them the have patient and nerve of stone and iron because of experience in many recession in the past.....They know what they did and plan....... might say as of now they are failure but beyond this time they are far ahead on their foresight......Myself I remain adventurer and loser but no regret in this market in my try.....I am not the only one......

Yahoo! Finance User
Yahoo! Finance User - Thursday November 20, 2008 02:41PM EST

Just goes to show you the markets are fair. Even the Oracle and some other very astute investors are feeling some pain..

H
H - Thursday November 20, 2008 02:44PM EST

Be bold when the masses fear. Be fearfull when the masses are bold. Is this statement still true? How then are the masses now?

Yahoo! Finance User
Yahoo! Finance User - Thursday November 20, 2008 02:49PM EST

Sensey--you're a retard. Talking like you did something smart. My guess is you don't have two nickles to rub together but just wanted to make yourself feel better about your pathetic life. You did not liquidate a penny before the crash. You had no money to liquidate. I'd guess the repo man is outside towing away the used 1986 Toyota you bought last month. Get a hobby that makes sense--or better still, get a job.

Ace C
Ace C - Thursday November 20, 2008 02:50PM EST

It's hard to imagine these incredible losses!

Yahoo! Finance User
Yahoo! Finance User - Thursday November 20, 2008 02:55PM EST

Judging by this board the majority of the masses appear to be angry, uninformed, and confused! It's going to get even worse!

Rotimi
Rotimi - Thursday November 20, 2008 02:58PM EST

Smart guys :-)

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__A_YAHOO_USER__ - Thursday November 20, 2008 02:58PM EST

THE RICH PEOPLE OF THE US DIDNT GET IT BY BEING STUDID, THEY WERE TOLD BY OBAMA THEY WOULD BE PUNISHED !!!!!! WELL WILL SEE !!!!!! WHO'S THE FOOL HERE, NOT EVEN BUFFET CAME MAKE THEM INVEST

Yahoo! Finance User
Yahoo! Finance User - Thursday November 20, 2008 02:59PM EST

How about a bit of Ben Grahm philosophy, jerks like Trask will put any POS on here

Rosy
Rosy - Thursday November 20, 2008 02:59PM EST

Nobody really knows when the bottom has arrived 'cause the market keeps going down. When the market lose another 50% of its value then perhaps it's really time to buy and just wait for the right time for the market to rebound. Even the best and the brightest has no answer at the moment and it will take sometime for the economy to get better.

Mike
Mike - Thursday November 20, 2008 03:00PM EST

We are in what history will look back and call THE GREAT RECESSION... if your timeframe is 20 years then invest today and be the next generations wealthy. Invest aggressively today... if you can, our parents have been sacrificed for today's wealthy and greed... we still have a chance.

Robert H
Robert H - Thursday November 20, 2008 03:00PM EST

Do not underestimate how long this downturn could last. The Japanese market is down 80% since 1990 when they experienced deflation and zero % interest rates. Sound familiar...???

Yahoo! Finance User
Yahoo! Finance User - Thursday November 20, 2008 03:02PM EST

Will the market rebound today after it was down by 160 points again ...We will see......If there are late buyer or bargain hunter.......I just hope a Heavy Goriila come back now....

Yahoo! Finance User
Yahoo! Finance User - Thursday November 20, 2008 03:03PM EST

Yep, the masses are angry, uninformed and confused. That's why the masses are usually such poor investors. They are also jealous of anyone that is more successful than they are. You can hear the jealousy in some of the posts here. That's why they dump on the rich who just invest more wisely than them, and work harder. I'm not rich but at least I admit it isn't the fault of Warren Buffet or Bill Gates. It is my fault. Just as it's the masses fault that they aren't rich. Open your eyes, admit you have nobody to blame but yourselves, and then do something about it. I am.

Yahoo! Finance User
Yahoo! Finance User - Thursday November 20, 2008 03:03PM EST

At least Buffet is not bitter like so many of you who apparently lost loads in your gambling adventures.. Imagine him coming out and blaming the government or anybody else for his problems.. He knows where the buck stops.. ha ha

REX
REX - Thursday November 20, 2008 03:04PM EST

And Obama thinks Warren Buffet would be a good replacement for Bernacky? ROFLMAO

Yahoo! Finance User
Yahoo! Finance User - Thursday November 20, 2008 03:04PM EST

You sorry SOB, sitting there grining at the sufferings of people who tried to believe in the long term and growth of american business. I

Yahoo! Finance User
Yahoo! Finance User - Thursday November 20, 2008 03:04PM EST

i wish i could lose a few billion and still have a few billion left over to get me through the tough times

Susie-Q
Susie-Q - Thursday November 20, 2008 03:07PM EST

AMERICA: Warren did not buy for a quick pop. He made that clear- . . ."the long haul. . ." he's smart- he covered his tracks 'cuz he KNEW there was a good chance they could drop further. That is why re reiterated his purchase; he knew there could/would be repercussions. He knew the media would be hot on his tail. Sure, he should have waited- woulda, coulda, shoulda. . . Remember, there is a reason his net worth has a "few" more numbers to the left of the decimel point than you and I. Millionaire status is nothing today (sure, the money is nice- not unusual). Winning the Lotto ten times in one day could not even pay Warren's usual annual income taxes.

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