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How the Mighty Have Fallen: Buffett, Other Legends Feel Bear Market Bite

Posted Nov 20, 2008 01:56pm EST by Aaron Task in Investing, Newsmakers, Recession

Feeling mauled by the seemingly undying bear market? Take a look at the year-to-date performance for some biggest of the big-name investors and consider yourself in good company

  • Warren Buffett (Berkshire Hathaway): -43%
  • Ken Hebner (CMG Focus Fund) -56%
  • Harry Lange (Fidelity Magellan): -59%
  • Bill Miller (Legg Mason Value Trust) -50%
  • Ken Griffin (Citadel): -44%
  • Carl Icahn (Icahn Enterprises): -81%
  • T. Boone Pickens: Down $2 billion since July
  • Kirk Kerkorian: Down $693 million on his Ford shares alone

My guest John Roque, managing director and technical analyst at Natixis Bleichroeder, suggests these staggering losses are simply a matter of the fact that "a bear market gets everyone" — even Wall Street legends.

Look no further than Warren Buffett: Shares of his Berkshire Hathaway have tumbled as his recent investment in Goldman Sachs has raised more concern about his exposure to financials than inspired confidence. The cost of credit-default swaps (CDS), or insurance against default, on Berkshire's debt has nearly tripled in two months and is wider than CDSs on many other insurance and financial firms, Bloomberg reports

Of course, Buffett is truly a long-term investor and his defenders say it's far too soon to judge his investment in Goldman, or his much-ballyhooed "Buy American" call in October. But in a true bear market, "everybody gets taken to the cleaners," Roque says, maybe even the "Oracle of Omaha."  

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- Thursday November 20, 2008 02:07PM EST

we all believed those guys were smarter than us, They just knew how to borrow more than us. We are the dumb ones who let them leverage and prop up thier wealth making us think thier smart but at the end the only differece is that they knew how to cheat better.

- Thursday November 20, 2008 02:09PM EST

It just goes to show nobody's safe and market perception places a bigger role in this than we think. I work for a Fortune 500 company and our stock is down almost 80% this year based on perception and that alone. We have over $15 billion in capital reserves and nobody will listen to our analysist. They say you need to maintain ratings with $3.5-$4 billion and we have $10 billion in cash! I guess every company gets grouped togther with all the bad seeds.

- Thursday November 20, 2008 02:16PM EST

just watch!!!!!!!!!! im speechless!

- Thursday November 20, 2008 02:17PM EST

bless his heart.

- Thursday November 20, 2008 02:17PM EST

I don't feel so bad losing 50K in my IRA then. Whew, that's a relief. :-)

- Thursday November 20, 2008 02:18PM EST

I was shocked to see Brk-b drop so much in the past week or so. I was actually thinking of buying some when it was around 3500, now it is 2700 and will stay away from it. How things change in a week in such a bloody market.

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Yahoo! Finance User - Thursday November 20, 2008 02:19PM EST

You PIGs seem to be having a good time gloating over the sufferings. Average americans are sufferng greatly and you boys rant on.

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Yahoo! Finance User - Thursday November 20, 2008 02:21PM EST

Buffet's GE at $5.00 will be a good deal.

- Thursday November 20, 2008 02:22PM EST

Michael M, You're kidding yourself if you think your company is safe. Orders will fall dramatically. Companies can burn through cash like nothing.

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Yahoo! Finance User - Thursday November 20, 2008 02:22PM EST

Come on Kirk Kerkorkian! Pleeeeese buy my Ford shares!!!!

- Thursday November 20, 2008 02:24PM EST

Oh jeez....like these guys are feeling the pinch that the rest of us are...just because they lost millions or billions more than us

- Thursday November 20, 2008 02:25PM EST

What kind of exposure does your company have? You're just looking at one side of the company, which is its cash position and reserves....and reserves are just that....cash for times like this. How much debt does your company have? There are many questions....please give me the ticker symbol.

- Thursday November 20, 2008 02:25PM EST

Nonsense - they just didn't plan and rested on their laurels; what I and my assoicates did was liquidate almost all equity positions by the end of August; since then we've traded bonds and gone short most futures (actually started with the grains back in May) - I called the dollar bottom with the Bear Stearns action in March of this year, and we never looked back. Now the stupid Democrats want to punish people like us who knew what to do - but our money is leaving the country, so sorry. Sayonara america....

- Thursday November 20, 2008 02:26PM EST

Multi-billionaires can afford to lose money & they can deduct their losses.Average idiots who wanna be like them lose their life savings.Don't try to think like a billionaire when you can't afford losses like them.They can afford to lose money,I CAN"T!!!

- Thursday November 20, 2008 02:29PM EST

What a load of hovno - trying to justify that all the shills got hosed by being FAR too early to call the bottom. My site's portfolios went to fully hedged on Feb 28th (with the Australian market at 5880... it's now 3300 and still falling). Not 'everyone' gets worked... only those who are too stupid to see the writing on the wall and act appropriately. Buffet bought a slug of GS... so he's done at least one VERY stupid thing in his life... GS is a hollow log and is a good candidate for the graveyard.

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Yahoo! Finance User - Thursday November 20, 2008 02:29PM EST

you won't see any of those guys on soup lines

- Thursday November 20, 2008 02:32PM EST

Buffet is not loosing any money on his investments in GE and GS. He lent them money at 10% interest and that is a hefty interest considering what banks or T-bills pay. I am sure his lien on GE and GS has a higher level of collateral. GE and GS warrants to buy shares is optional at his discretion in the next 5 years. I don't understand why the analysts keep on saying he is loosing money on these 2 deals. He is making 10% interest and sitting pretty. His other investments may be going down.

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Yahoo! Finance User - Thursday November 20, 2008 02:33PM EST

Aaron Task you are such a pig. Bringing some tecnical analyst on the program to talk the market lower. I hope Yahoo soon files bankruptcy and gets rid of you.

- Thursday November 20, 2008 02:35PM EST

OMG!! Back when Warren Buffet bought those preferred shares a month and a little ago, he said that his investments might not do well in 6 months or a year, but in 10 years, he said that it would be a great buy. You morons need to come back in 10 years and see if he was wrong.

- Thursday November 20, 2008 02:37PM EST

You think this is a fall... wait for the Fall of Congress... They are demanding to see a plan for the auto industry to save themselfs. Hell I would like to See Congresss plan to restore lending, fix forclosures, or get out of iraq..... Plan show me the Gov.s Plan...

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