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Gary Shilling's 2009 Predictions: More of the Same Pain

Posted Jan 06, 2009 07:00am EST by Aaron Task in Investing, Recession

If you're betting the economy will recover in the second half of this year and should be buying stocks now in anticipation, economist Gary Shilling, president of A. Gary Shilling & Co., isn't your guy. Shilling -- author of the popular INSIGHT newsletter -- says the recession will run for the duration of this year and stands by a forecast for the S&P 500 to hit 600 in 2009.

A recovery isn't likely until 2010 -- at the earliest -- says Shilling, who is effectively doubling-down on his 2008 predictions, which proved eerily prescient.

Shilling is bullish on the dollar and cautiously optimistic about high-grade corporate debt, but doesn't see much to be hopeful about from the long side in 2009.

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Yahoo! Finance User
Yahoo! Finance User - Tuesday January 06, 2009 07:25AM EST

The dollar? Well as soon as the US economy (followed by the world economy) recovers, the dollar is going to tumble, until then it is the "flight to safety". 2010 the dollar falls big as the economy recovers. But no recovery until GM/Chrysler situation stabilizes (or vaporizes). No housing bottom guys. Also look at interesting Municipal Bonds, good yields.

Scott
Scott - Tuesday January 06, 2009 08:00AM EST

Keep up the good work guys. Market still moving higher, I'll wait for you to start getting more positive actors on your show before I sell my stocks. So far I'm up about 40% while you keep up the drumbeat of hyper negative outlooks. Not sure what service you are trying to provide but it's working for me. Well done. PS I like your clipboard, makes you look scholarly.

Davewx
Davewx - Tuesday January 06, 2009 08:38AM EST

I see this as another buy and hold signal. When the "experts" are crying the blues and selling, that's the time to buy. Five years from now these bargains are going to be looking pretty good. That will be the time to sell because everyone else will be buying and wishing they had been buying in 2009. Happens every time.

Lizm
Lizm - Tuesday January 06, 2009 08:43AM EST

This guy is funny. The markets will rally for the next two years-and this guy is saying it will go even lower! Look at the P/E ratios-they are very very cheap. If you get to buy a business for 7 years earnings U TAKE IT! Liz

dano
dano - Tuesday January 06, 2009 08:47AM EST

Gary Shilling, I agree with you. We're in a bear market rally that will not last past 9924 on the DJIA. We will see new lows for this bear market before we cross 10000 on the DJIA. Housing market to me should not bottom until late 2012, unlike Jim Cramer's June 30, 2009 call for a housing bottom. Note that I'm trying to sell property, but there will be a time where prices get too low below rents and then I won't be trying to sell it.

Yahoo! Finance User
Yahoo! Finance User - Tuesday January 06, 2009 08:55AM EST

Gary's economic forecasts have been among the very best since 1972 when he was the economist at White Weld. Very, very few can match his consistency.

william
william - Tuesday January 06, 2009 09:04AM EST

Raise taxes fairly IE if 35% is fair for one level of income versus 25% then 50% and 70% and 90% is fair for other levels

william
william - Tuesday January 06, 2009 09:05AM EST

8 trillion dollars earning less then inflation for how long? :) Stocks WILL recover sawtooth as it may be, but it is the only other option to losing money

william
william - Tuesday January 06, 2009 09:09AM EST

Oh my god you are kidding right, my dead grandmother could have seen the housing bubble "Shilling, who is effectively doubling-down on his 2008 predictions, which proved eerily prescient." Therfore the stock bust give me a break this guy is eeriy haha spooky too

JamesB
JamesB - Tuesday January 06, 2009 09:13AM EST

dano says housing bottom 2012???? We would all be eating rats by then, give me a break dude! Gary is guessing just like everyone else, but it seems more analysts are coming over to the brighter side lately. The tide is changing my friends.

paredoc
paredoc - Tuesday January 06, 2009 09:15AM EST

BUY NOW ESPECIALLY BLUECHIPS THEY ARE CHEAP/

Yahoo! Finance User
Yahoo! Finance User - Tuesday January 06, 2009 09:22AM EST

Reasonable forcast. Actually most of the "experts" forcase a quick recovery of stock market. Good luck!

KH
KH - Tuesday January 06, 2009 09:24AM EST

This guy is older than dirt. Remember what they say about economists - "they have predicted 10 out of the last 3 recessions" about as reliable as Madoff...

joe
joe - Tuesday January 06, 2009 09:27AM EST

Some of you are awfully one-sided and emotional. Are you sure you should be investing for yourselves? Maybe mutual funds would be better for you. If you want to invest for yourself then you'd better listen to all sides. Your ignorance to Shillings message is nothing more than the detrimental stupidity that kills 99% OF ALL INVESTORS. Good luck!

alanc
alanc - Tuesday January 06, 2009 09:30AM EST

one thing is when the economy recovers, mid-end 2010 is my guess. BUT, the market is usually 12 months ahead and therefore, there will be S&P 500 growth in 2009.The dollar is doomed, the key question is when.

alanc
alanc - Tuesday January 06, 2009 09:31AM EST

one thing is when the economy recovers, mid-end 2010 is my guess. BUT, the market is usually 12 months ahead and therefore, there will be S&P 500 growth in 2009.The dollar is doomed, the key question is when.

afm2
afm2 - Tuesday January 06, 2009 09:35AM EST

What do you expect from Shilling?? Ever watch him on CNBC?? This cat is a Perma-Bear on steroids!!!

Yahoo! Finance User
Yahoo! Finance User - Tuesday January 06, 2009 09:37AM EST

Bad time is pass. Time now look forward to coming recovery and new prosperity. Soon will come. Soon stimulus take effect…2009 year of stimulus and recovery and bull market. Year of bailout and TARP and more credit and…GOOD FOR BUSINESS…MORE PROFIT…MORE JOBS…MORE SPENDING…GOOD FOR BUSINESS…GOOD FOR STOCK MARKET GOOD FOR ECONOMY…SOON WILL COME BONE-ANZA…BONE-ANZA…BONE-ANZA!!! BUY…BUY…BUY…Happy prosperity!

R M
R M - Tuesday January 06, 2009 09:43AM EST

Now, I'm not one to make predictions, nor do I think Dow 15,000 is in the cards. But anyone hoping to short this market should do so with tremendous caution. I have consistently bought at 7,800 and below and it's paying off. I see the "true bottom" at no less than 7,200 (7% gains per year versus the bottoms of 1932 and 1974), and I don't think the "true bottom" is really meaningful at this point. Many people remain like me - in good shape financially and looking to refinance to improve. Once we do in the next month or so...I see bigger improvements in 6 months.

R M
R M - Tuesday January 06, 2009 09:46AM EST

Another thing about being "eerily prescient". I do have an Economics degree, and it's true that being right is enjoyable. But it's hard to be right consistently, that's why markets exist. I have been right far more often than not, regarding the economy, and particularly regarding real estate - who DIDN'T see this bubble bursting 2 or 3 years ago? If they didn't, they were simply stupid or blind. Shilling is good, but he has to take his positions just like anyone else. Some of his shorts I agree with, particularly regarding real estate, which will continue to decline a bit more. But stocks should muddle along.

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