Why Americans Should Care More About the $2-$5T Bailout vs. the $789B Stimulus

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The US taxpayer does not want either the Stimulus or TARP. They are both wrong to fix the problem. Let the markets correct themselves. If the gov't wants to help the people, give us a tax holiday for 6-9 months. That extra money can either pay bills, deposit in banks, or buy stuff. Most of us know how to use our money better than any Congressmen.

The US taxpayer does not want either the Stimulus or TARP. They are both wrong to fix the problem. Let the markets correct themselves. If the gov't wants to help the people, give us a tax holiday for 6-9 months. That extra money can either pay bills, deposit in banks, or buy stuff. Most of us know how to use our money better than any Congressmen.

A trillion here, a trillion there... pretty soon you're talking real money.

It' frustrating to see our Gov't throw good money,( that we don't have by the way) at a problem. Take the pork out of all the bills on Capitol Hill. If a Bill is unable to withstand the pressure alone, is it reall worth it? Also we put a man on the moon almost 40 years ago, yet we are still are not able to become an engery efficient nation. We need to stimulate the economy and not shor tchange critical issues such as infrastructure and alternative energy.

Yep, outrage should be on TARP and it's failure. the recovery bill is smaller and at the least, will benefit main street.

OMG! There's two uhdem packages?!? !?! NO!!!

The financial crises will end once it has run its course and gathering every Congressman around the burning city to throw a token bucket of water on the gasoline fed flame will do nothing. Once the fuel of idiotic, worthless debt is gone, the crisis will resolve itself. Unless some idiot finds a way to throw more gas on the fire. Not that any rational Fed chairman would do that would they...?

"stimulus?" HA! Aaron didja tell them about the moves toward nationalised medicine ala Canada and Britain? This is what "your" government is planning to do to you now. The method for "covering" everyone - rationing access to doctors. And what if you can't wait? They let you die or live in pain. What compassionate people these Demos are.

"Don't value money for its own sake, but for what you can do with it." There is something very powerful in being able to flash forward down the road a way, in order to give yourself some instant perspective....

yeah that's what we need - politicians involved

Orders of magnitude? How many? One (that'd make the bank bailout 10 times the stimulus bill), or two (that'd make the bank bailout bill one hundred times the size of the stimulus). This error is akin to people saying that something is "literally" just like something else. they really mean "figuratively." But who cares. Now the issue: How many of your readers know that our nation had zero inflation from shortly after the Constitutional Convention of 1787 until 1930? From that time, inflation has been 4,500%. When the dollar was unlinked from the discipline of gold that year, its price was $20. That same 20 dollar gold piece is now $900. Thomas Jefferson wrote in 1798 that he regretted that the federal government should never have been allowed to borrow money. It never would have been allowed to use deficit financing as we do today. The stimulus bill with bank bailouts will drive up our National Debt trillions higher than it is today. Note that when my father was born, that debt was $2 billion,. In Ronald Reagan's first term, that debt crossed $1 trillion for the first time. Today it is $10.7 trillion. Write this down: in another 25 years, it will breach $100 trillion. Today's dollar buys what 2 1/2 cents did in 1933. We are like a frog in a pot: the frog doesn't know that he is being boiled to death. Brush up on your math....

What? Our banking and financial system was, and is, under attack. Financial terrorists crashed planes into buildings as a way to wreck our economy. And they infiltrated our economic entities and threw around monkey wrenches. Specificly, look at the credit rating agencies. The infiltrators gave AAA ratings to garbage bonds. And look at the foreign investment entities that came in, shorted the crap out of stocks, then left the country and never covered the short positions. Look at the foreign investment entities that showed an insatiable appetite for mortgage-backed securities, then suddenly refused to buy any more, leaving the banks holding them. Look at the mid-eastern countries turned to rubble by collapsed banking systems. Let the banks fail and you will think you are living in Pakistan. Yes, the banks got caught in the middle of the terrorists attacks. They are the front line. We have to build them up. Or would you rather buy your freedom and security with the blood of teeagers in the military?

How did I get smoke screened like that! I thought it was the same thing! Did anyone else think they chose stimulus vs. bailout? Jeez. The debate transmuted into tax cuts vs. spending rather than money for wall st. or money for main st. The media isn't talking about the bailout because we can't comprehend it, but because the 'stimulus' is a smoke screen for the bailout.

I foresee when the national debt is so large that it takes the whole GNP to service it.

Wednesday Night, The market is pricing in the long term stability of assets on the books. The market cannot price in Obama and his dynamic trio of 3 Republicans and every fun loving high spending liberal on the block. Don't blame liberals and the conservatives, blame Americans who vote for them.The banks can't write down bad assets so the market will continue to beat short term market movers and middlecrats until Uncle Sam gets out of the market. Protests should be held at the hill, not on wall street. The market movers will clean up this mess once Uncle Sam leaves the trading to the real professionals. There are are trillions of dollars sitting on the sidelines waiting to move once the gumby squad leaves the books to the ax that must swing. Sell all this junk on the books to willing buyers at any price. Trillions will magically appear from private investors and Uncle Sam can once again provide essential services to those who can't find a job. The market will see the largest one day rally in history. This will happen when voters kick Uncle Sam off the books. God Bless America, and God bless investors who are waiting patiently to use the real power of market wise wisdom. Go long or short but invest in America. Good luck !!!

The stimulus makes sense (well, mostly, more business tax cuts is the last thing we need) whereas the bailout has been a big waste. Just bite the bullet and nationalize the banks outright, clean them up, replace managements, and reprivatize. And more people thinking proposed projects through instead of just assuming they're dumb ideas would help. Most of what's derided as pork would put paychecks in the hands of otherwise unemployed people. That's the only thing that can dig us out of this. More people have to get paychecks, or the bank bailout won't matter.getting paychecks, or the bank bailout won't matter.

This will result in your being witnesses to them....(Luke)

Are we broke yet? Lets get this depression under way, the faster it happens the faster we'll recover, if we can that is.....

Are we broke yet? Lets get this depression under way, the faster it happens the faster we'll recover, if we can that is.....