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Buffett Was Right: Derivatives Are Destructive

Posted Mar 17, 2008 02:59pm EDT by Aaron Task in Investing, Recession, Banking

Having already claimed the careers of high-profile executives like Stan O'Neal, Chuck Prince and Warren Spector, the credit crunch has now taken its largest victim (to date): Bear Stearns.

The demise of a once-proud firm that survived the Great Depression, World War 2, and a dozen recessions was stunning in its speed. Bears rapid unraveling – remember it was just last week that CEO Alan Schwartz said rumors of its demise were unfounded – speaks to the "uncertainty about derivatives," says Todd Harrison, CEO and founder of Minyanville.com.

Harrison, formerly a derivatives trader at Morgan Stanley and director of derivatives at The Galleon Group, discusses how what Warren Buffett called "financial weapons of mass destruction," contributed to Bears' demise.

Harrison also believes this is just the beginning of a "multi-year debt unwind" that in some ways will mirror the Great Depression. That's a chilling thought on a tough day but with over $500 trillion of derivatives outstanding, it's hard to argue there isn't more pain coming for financial markets.

62 Comments

truthontheboard
truthontheboard - Monday March 17, 2008 03:07PM EDT

This is an excellent, short and clear explanation of what's happening out there - it's very scary. $500 trillion of derivatives is a lot of money. Certainly they are not all bad or worthless, but nobody seems to know where the bottom is on this day.

madmilker
madmilker - Monday March 17, 2008 03:07PM EDT

nothing like keeping it simple! just a good O' 5% return on your money over time will make anyone a millionaire.

James P
James P - Monday March 17, 2008 03:10PM EDT

Boo Yah! to Buffett.

Bernard P
Bernard P - Monday March 17, 2008 03:18PM EDT

People usually get greedy. They won't be happy with 5% return. They always try to either beat the market, or double the money quick.

Dan
Dan - Monday March 17, 2008 03:27PM EDT

Buffet is right again. Time to get back to basics. Just like our grandparents said, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. If it's too complicated for the gist of it to be described in a half page paragraph, it's either dangerously convoluted or it's a ponzi scheme.

Mercy
Mercy - Monday March 17, 2008 03:34PM EDT

"nothing like keeping it simple! just a good O' 5% return on your money over time will make anyone a millionaire." Um, yeah, anyone who lives live long enough. A 5% return with 3% inflation will turn $100,000 into a million in a mere 117 years. If you only have $10,000 to start you'll just have to wait a little longer -- 233 years. -Mercy

you
Yahoo! Finance User - Monday March 17, 2008 03:36PM EDT

while giving a job in finance sector the firms ask a degree in MBA from a world class business school,experiance,etc.....Are these guys, who lost their jobs,from footpaths?In a few bankruptcy cases CEO's were offered millions of dollars to quit their positions ,that too for what?for bringing the company under loss.The money lost in such cases is common investors or somebody elses?who are all the beneficiaries?All these questions point towards preplaned drama.

ryan
ryan - Monday March 17, 2008 03:45PM EDT

I love making money

you
Yahoo! Finance User - Monday March 17, 2008 03:48PM EDT

That's absurd. Derivatives aren't the problem. It was plain old fundamental stupidity; tons andtons of lending to people whio had no hope of eveery being able to pay their obligations with the debt secured by assets that weren't worth anywhere near what the dumb lenders asumed. Even if derivatives ahd never been invnted, we'd still have a financial explosion. And don't beleive the pablam Buffett dishes out to the public ... Bershire often owns tons of derivatives; whjen buffett's analysis supports such a position.

phizer
phizer - Monday March 17, 2008 03:49PM EDT

Keep it simple and weather the storm, 5% is ok, $112.per barrel gas hurts.

Noor
Noor - Monday March 17, 2008 03:56PM EDT

Well Mr Aaron, This is almost a duh !!! Warren Buffett has been saying so many years and journalist folks like you kept down playing it or rather completely dismissing it, because everything is good while the clock is ticking and bankers are making money.

Rich
Rich - Monday March 17, 2008 04:02PM EDT

BSC, sucka!!!!!!

Carlos
Carlos - Monday March 17, 2008 04:09PM EDT

Arrest all those responsible for the Bears' fatality.

richard b
richard b - Monday March 17, 2008 04:11PM EDT

This $500 trillion is an insane number. All the stock markets on the globe are only $100 trillion.

F p
F p - Monday March 17, 2008 04:14PM EDT

Live by the derivative, die by the .... to bad some innocent civilians have to get massaquered along the way.

NIRAV K AMIN
NIRAV K AMIN - Monday March 17, 2008 04:16PM EDT

be patient and keep walking for profits

vinayak
vinayak - Monday March 17, 2008 04:18PM EDT

Derivatives may not be destructive.The excessive guidance given by the few analysts suck the herd of bulls at tops and the herd of bears at bottoms

pauls
pauls - Monday March 17, 2008 04:32PM EDT

optimism will win out. Things will be back to normal in a month or two. But eventually our government will run out of ways to bail people out. Then-watch out!

Jeffery
Jeffery - Monday March 17, 2008 04:34PM EDT

if you believe them, you will also beleive what my ex has to say too.

QueenB
QueenB - Monday March 17, 2008 04:34PM EDT

Totally preplanned drama. You might be able to quit per your contact, but then again, there's more than way to skin a cat. If you can't quit and you don't want to work there any more, what else do you? Run the company out of business. No business, no contract. And what the he double l, you've still got your golden parachute.

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