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From ClusterStock, Dec. 18, 2008:
It's a rare day when critics from the conservative Heritage Foundation and the liberal Campaign for America's Future agree on anything. But the Treasury Department's Wall Street bailout fund, the TARP, has finally built a bridge between them.
"Congress should say no to any request to use the second half of TARP funds," Stuart Butler writes at the Heritage Foundation's website. "Only $15 billion of the first half of the TARP funds ($350 billion) remain uncommitted. If Secretary Paulson or the incoming Treasury secretary wishes to use the second $350 billion, the Administration must give notice to Congress, which then has 15 calendar days to pass a joint resolution of disapproval to deny use of the money. If such a request is presented, it should be denied."
"Congress can reject the Bush administration's request to release the next $350 billion installment of no-strings-attached bailout money for Wall Street, if that request happens," David Sirota of CAF writes at the Huffington Post.
To be sure, Heritage and the CAF have different reasons for opposing the bailout. Butler believes the TARP is ineffective and suffering from "mission creep," expanding into areas it was never intended. Sirota thinks the TARP should come with many more regulatory strings attached. But both agree: the TARP is broken.
The TARP was broken from the beginning. The phrase, "We're from the gov't and we're here to help", should have been our first clue this was not going to work. I say no more bailout money for ANYONE !!!!! And start prodding the banks to start paying US back, with interest.
WOW....how NOT shocking...In the immortal words of several street entertainers.....just throw money....throw money...
I agree, don't give them another dime plus ask for some of the money back that was used to pay bonuses.
RE-establishing CONfidence?......I'm sorry........it will take more than a couple months, a couple trillion, and a few encouraging words for this Ponzi system to regain MY confidence.....
There are two sides of the US Investment banks balance sheet : the left side and the right side. On the left side, there is nothing right. And , on the right side, there is nothing left
Hey REEDERSONG I know you've been calling for $30 crude well your almost there. I hope you were cheering on the selloff today
Madoff's game is big but most people who lost their money are rich anyway. This, compared to the magic game played by the mighty wall street, is too small. For many years till 2008, the wall street make a huge "profit" from subprime mortgage and their employee collected billions of bonus. But their loss in 2008 is much more than they earned in the past decades. And they will still get huge bonus this year: Morgan Stanley: 260K; Goldman Sachs: 370k. And Merill Lynch's employee will get 50% of their bonus. The funny things are we taxpayers are bailing out them and paying for their bonus. Here is an interesting story: http://finance.yahoo.com/banking-budgeting/article/106328/On-Wall-Street,-Bonuses,-Not-Profits,-Were-Real
OK...here is the plan: Every one is to blame in this deal (auto workers, unions, the government, high gas prices, NAFTA, banks holding on to taxpayers $, consumers who spent/borrowed too much, President Bush -for taking us to an unjust war that is bankrupting us and enocouraging us to live outside of our means aftere 9/11, deregulation, greedy Wall Street insiders, corrupt government officials, big oil....thats NOT EVERYBODY..but its a good list to start) This is what we should have done on the 1st bail-out scheme....given a EVERY TAXPAYER a rebate of $6000 (total appx $700 Billion) given them $2000 up front to pay off bills, mortages, etc and $4000 put in the bank of their choice at ZERO interest. The taxpayer then would receive $2000 on December 1, 2009....and again on December 1, 2010. In the meantime the banks would have had $4000 per taxpayer to lend out to stimulate the economy. Plus, the taxpayer would know that his/her future would at least be a little brighter down the line and not be convinced that the $ that went to the banks has somehow disappered. As for the auto industry....lots of blame to go around. But we could at least improve the situation by.....1. set the price of EVERY car produced in the US and freeze it for ONE year. 2. Send a rebate check (non-transferable) to every US TAXPAYER good for 33% off of the purchase of an AMerican made vehicle that gets 22 mpg or higher and 25% off of a vehicle that gets less. 3. The US automakers turn in these rebates to the government in exchange for cash. In order to get this deal...we should force the BIG 3 to complete a laundry list of changes: CEO pay, union renogotiations, gas-mileage improvements, quality improvements, etc... Class dismissed.
Yawn! Let me know when/if this actually happens.
OK...here is the plan: Every one is to blame in this deal (auto workers, unions, the government, high gas prices, NAFTA, banks holding on to taxpayers $, consumers who spent/borrowed too much, President Bush -for taking us to an unjust war that is bankrupting us and enocouraging us to live outside of our means aftere 9/11, deregulation, greedy Wall Street insiders, corrupt government officials, big oil....thats NOT EVERYBODY..but its a good list to start) This is what we should have done on the 1st bail-out scheme....given a EVERY TAXPAYER a rebate of $6000 (total appx $700 Billion) given them $2000 up front to pay off bills, mortages, etc and $4000 put in the bank of their choice at ZERO interest. The taxpayer then would receive $2000 on December 1, 2009....and again on December 1, 2010. In the meantime the banks would have had $4000 per taxpayer to lend out to stimulate the economy. Plus, the taxpayer would know that his/her future would at least be a little brighter down the line and not be convinced that the $ that went to the banks has somehow disappered. As for the auto industry....lots of blame to go around. But we could at least improve the situation by.....1. set the price of EVERY car produced in the US and freeze it for ONE year. 2. Send a rebate check (non-transferable) to every US TAXPAYER good for 33% off of the purchase of an AMerican made vehicle that gets 22 mpg or higher and 25% off of a vehicle that gets less. 3. The US automakers turn in these rebates to the government in exchange for cash. In order to get this deal...we should force the BIG 3 to complete a laundry list of changes: CEO pay, union renogotiations, gas-mileage improvements, quality improvements, etc... Class dismissed.
If you rearrange the letter of TARP you get TRAP. Ooooo.........
I wish the government would stop trying to "protect" us. They are only helping their rich friends who got us into this mess with the stock bubble, the housing bubble, easy credit, etc. In a perfect world, it would all be allowed to sink. But that only applies to working people, not corrupt Washington thieves and their super rich buddies, lobbyists, etc. No bail outs, no free lunch of millionaires; let home prices sink to historic levels (in other words, what people can afford). And get the government out of the home ownership racket. I don't want my tax dollars (yes, they are mine) to subsidize home ownership.
If you rearrange the letters of TARP you get TRAP. Ooooo.........
I see a lot of criticising and complaining on here but not one of you knows what the fed and treasury secretary should do. They are trying very hard to maintain the american economy for you worthless complainers. If you all know soooo much you should have been able to ride oil up and short oil down and ride equitys up and short equities down. But instead you are all monday morning quarterbacking on here.
I think the USSA should give the Finance institutions TRILLIONS of $$ so that they can get their BONUSES this year!!
Wow. We learned that $350B no-strings-attached is not a good idea. Glad it cost only $350B instead of a significant amount.
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Yahoo! Finance User - Thursday December 18, 2008 02:36PM EST
The TARP should never have started.