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Edited Transcript of ADES earnings conference call or presentation 6-Aug-19 1:00pm GMT

Q2 2019 Advanced Emissions Solutions Inc Earnings Call

Highlands Ranch Sep 5, 2019 (Thomson StreetEvents) -- Edited Transcript of Advanced Emissions Solutions Inc earnings conference call or presentation Tuesday, August 6, 2019 at 1:00:00pm GMT

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Corporate Participants

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* Greg P. Marken

Advanced Emissions Solutions, Inc. - CFO, Secretary & Treasurer

* L. Heath Sampson

Advanced Emissions Solutions, Inc. - CEO, President & Director

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Conference Call Participants

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* Sameer S. Joshi

H.C. Wainwright & Co, LLC, Research Division - Associate

* Ryan Coleman

Alpha IR Group LLC - Associate

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Presentation

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Operator [1]

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Good morning. My name is Mariama, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Advanced Emissions Solutions Q2 earnings conference call. (Operator Instructions) I would now like to turn the call over to Ryan Coleman, Investor Relations. You may begin your conference.

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Ryan Coleman, Alpha IR Group LLC - Associate [2]

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Thank you, Mariama. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining us this morning for our second quarter 2019 earnings results call. With me on the call this morning are Heath Sampson, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Greg Marken, Chief Financial Officer. This conference call is being webcast live in the Investors section of our website, and a downloadable version of today's presentation is available there as well. A webcast replay will also be available on our site, and you can contact Alpha IR Group for Investor Relations support at (312) 445-2870.

Let me remind you that the presentation and remarks made today include forward-looking statements as defined in Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act. These statements are based on information currently available to us and involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual future results, performance and business prospects and opportunities to differ materially from those expressed in or implied by these statements. These risks and uncertainties include, but are not limited to, those factors identified on Slide 2 of today's slide presentation and our Form 10-Q for the quarter ended June 30, 2019, and other filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Except as expressly required by the securities laws, the company undertakes no obligation to update those factors or any forward-looking statements to reflect future events, developments or changed circumstances or for any other reason.

In addition, it's very important to review the presentation and today's remarks in conjunction with the GAAP references in the financial statements.

So with that, I'll turn the call over to Heath Sampson. Heath?

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L. Heath Sampson, Advanced Emissions Solutions, Inc. - CEO, President & Director [3]

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Thanks, Ryan, and thanks, everyone, for joining us this morning. Let's begin on Slide 3 and review our second quarter.

Our focus during the second quarter was unchanged as we continued to assist Tinuum Group in securing third-party tax equity investors for the remaining RC facilities and integrating our acquired assets with our existing pollution control platform. As such and as previously announced in May, Tinuum was able to secure a tax equity investor for an additional RC facility. This marks the second closure during 2019 and brings the total number of invested facilities to 21.

At the end of last year, we outlined a path to adding 12 million incremental tons in 2019. And so far, we have added over half of that goal or 6.5 million tons. Based on current discussions with prospective investors, we maintain a line of sight toward adding the remaining 5.5 million to 6 million tons this month. We also have line of sight to additional closures in 2019. Additionally, equity earnings from Tinuum were significantly higher than 1 year ago as 3 facilities have been invested since the second quarter of last year.

In our PGI segment, we continue to be very pleased with the integration of the Carbon Solutions team and products as well as the execution and performance of the assets. Retention rates with existing customers remain at 89%, and the feedback we are receiving from customers continues to be encouraging. The combination of our legacy technology, know-how and industry relationships, combined with our new activated Carbon Solutions, are positioning us as the platform of choice. In fact, during the second quarter, we re-signed a large industrial customer that Carbon Solutions had lost prior to the acquisition. We have made investments in technology and team and have even begun to see traction with adjacent market penetration. The steps we have taken to align these newly acquired products with our existing platform are helping to position this world class but once distressed asset for years of growth.

Unfortunately, our second quarter came in a bit softer than our expectations. The second quarter included our planned plant turnaround and is historically seasonal due to low coal fire power demand. This time of year, along with late in the third quarter, utilities will often have periods of downtime due to planned maintenance.

Additionally, mild weather across the country, coupled with cheap fuel sources that serve as coal alternatives for electricity generation, magnify the impact on coal dispatch during the period. This is shown in the recently updated forecast by the U.S. energy information administration, in which we revised downward -- which was revised downward by 7% its December 2018 forecast of 2019 coal-fired electricity generated units. Lower coal dispatch affects the entirety of our business. So while we are happy with our execution, we are not pleased that our customers do not operate and do not buy our products. June was the most challenging month for coal-fired dispatch across the country, but July has recovered.

Consistent with previous years, the third quarter is off to a better start than the second quarter at this point. Additionally, we have more new contract opportunities in the second half of this year. The bottom line is that we remain every bit as excited about the potential for this business, an amazing asset base as we were earlier this year. As I said, positive feedback from customers around our offerings, high retention rates and new customer wins have us encouraged.

This general PGI and overall pollution control market for coal-fired power market remains fragmented, and we will continue to evaluate key opportunities to capitalize on the platform that we have. No company is better positioned enough to take advantage of this disruption. The PGI platform remains uniquely strategic, underutilized assets that provides multiple ways to drive future growth and shareholder value.

I'll discuss the longer-term vision for these new assets after Greg reviews our second quarter results. Greg?

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Greg P. Marken, Advanced Emissions Solutions, Inc. - CFO, Secretary & Treasurer [4]

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Thanks, Heath. Let's start on Slide 5 for our second quarter financial review. Earnings from equity method investments totaled $20.9 million compared to $15.9 million in the prior year. The significant increase was driven by 3 additional invested RC facilities since the second quarter of 2018 with total equity earnings of $42.6 million compared to $28.1 million on a full year basis. Also contributing to the increase was Tinuum's adoption of the new revenue and lease accounting rules that we mentioned on the first quarter call.

We recorded a cumulative adjustment of $28.8 million related to the company's percentage of Tinuum Group's cumulative effect adjustment that increased Tinuum's retained earnings. But those amounts, as part of that adjustment, will not impact our future earnings. We no longer have cumulative cash distributions in excess of our cumulative pro rata share of Tinuum Group's net income. Therefore, we recognized equity earnings by recording our pro rata share of Tinuum's net income rather than based upon cash distributions in the second quarter. I want to also reiterate that this adjustment does not affect the timing of our total projected future cash flows for our RC segment from Tinuum.

Second quarter consolidated revenue of $15.6 million was also significantly higher than $4.3 million 1 year ago, driven by the contribution from Carbon Solutions consumables and additional royalty-bearing RC facilities. Within that consolidated revenue, second quarter consumables totaled $11.4 million. This was significantly higher than the prior year of $700,000, again driven by the Carbon Solutions contribution.

Second quarter royalty earnings were higher year-over-year, totaling $4.2 million versus $3.5 million in 2018. Royalty earnings in the first half of 2019 totaled $8.4 million compared to $6.8 million in the comparable period in 2018. This increase is the result of the additional royalty-bearing facilities invested. Currently, there are 14 royalty-bearing facilities that are operating compared to just 11 during the second quarter of 2018. The long-term earnings expectation for royalties continues to be roughly $0.40 per ton, and all future closures are expected to be royalty-bearing to us.

Our noncost of revenue operating expenses were higher year-over-year. Second quarter other operating expenses were $7.5 million compared to $5.1 million in the second quarter of 2018. First half other operating expenses totaled $16.3 million compared to $2.1 million (sic) [$10.2 million] in the first half of 2018. The increase during the second quarter and first half of 2019 were driven by higher legal and professional and general and administrative costs incurred as well as depreciation, amortization, depletion and accretion expenses, resulting in $2.4 million and $5.8 million of the increase, respectively, related to the Carbon Solutions acquisition.

Net income for the second quarter was $8.1 million, down from $15.3 million in the second quarter of 2018. Second quarter earnings were negatively impacted by a $1.4 million swing related to the amortization of a step-up in the basis of acquired finished goods inventory in connection with purchase accounting adjustments we discussed on our first quarter call. This step-up in basis will have a total negative impact to earnings of $5 million during 2019, all of which impacted the financial metrics during the first and second quarters.

Net income was also negatively impacted by a larger tax expense of $6.6 million compared to a tax benefit of $1.3 million in the second quarter of 2018. This variance was largely a result of an increase in the valuation allowance against our deferred tax assets during the second quarter of 2019. Net income during the first 6 months totaled $22.5 million, a 2% decrease from $23 million during the first 6 months of 2018. The decrease in net income for the first 6 months of 2019 was primarily driven by higher interest expense, noncost of revenue expenses and income taxes, which were largely offset by higher consumables revenue resulting from the contribution of the PGI segment, higher earnings from Tinuum resulting from additional refined coal facilities as well as higher royalty income from the refined coal business.

Consolidated EBITDA for the second quarter was $17.4 million, an increase of $3 million over the second quarter of 2018. The increase was driven by increased earnings before interest and taxes as well as higher expense related to interest and depreciation and amortization type expenses as well as income taxes.

Our total cash position as of June 30, 2019, was $20.4 million, of which $5 million is restricted as a result of the term loan undertaken to acquire Carbon Solutions. Total cash was down from levels seen at the end of 2018 for a few reasons. Most significantly, we have made $16 million of principal payments related to the term loan during 2019, of which $10 million occurred during the second quarter. Also, the first and second quarter saw cash usage from dividends and share repurchases that combine for more than $12 million.

Back in November, the Board authorized a $20 million share repurchase program on top of our previous repurchase authorization. Over the last 2 years, we have demonstrated our willingness to opportunistically repurchase stock in the open market, having now reduced our share count to well under 19 million, and we expect to continue to act opportunistically going forward.

Lastly, as of June 30, 2019, total current and long-term debt, which is comprised of our term loan and finance leases, totaled $58 million. We reduced the principal balance on our term loan from $70 million as of the end of the year to $54 million as of June 30, 2019. The senior term loan was used to finance our acquisition of Carbon Solutions and is subject to quarterly principal payments of $6 million that began on March 1, 2019. During the quarter, we made over $10 million in principal payments and have previously expressed our expectation to pay off this loan in less than the stated 3-year term.

I'll now turn the call back over to Heath.

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L. Heath Sampson, Advanced Emissions Solutions, Inc. - CEO, President & Director [5]

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Thank you, Greg. I'd like to take a moment to discuss our future outlook.

Turning to Slide 7. You can see our usual representation of the number of invested facilities versus the number waiting for a tax equity investor or waiting to be installed. As of today, we have 21 invested facilities and 7 uninvested. To maximize this refined coal opportunities and secure additional investors for remaining units, Tinuum has been proactively installing facilities in preparation for investment and 2 are currently in the installation phase. During 2018, Tinuum spent roughly $17 million related to capital expenditures, nearly all of which was engineering and installation cost. Tinuum and its members, including us, would certainly not be incurring these costs if we were not confident that they would translate into future invested RC facilities. We expect 2019 to be similar from a CapEx perspective. We have active ongoing conversations with potential tax equity investors for a handful of facilities. We expect to add an additional 5.5 million to 6 million in annual tons to Tinuum's total this month, fulfilling our commitment to adding incremental tonnage of approximately 12 million on an annual run rate basis.

Let's turn to Slide 9 for an update of our expected future RC cash flows. As of June 30, 2019, an inclusive of 21 refined coal facilities invested with third-party investors, we are updating our expected net RC cash flows to range between $175 million and $200 million to ADES through the end of 2021. This has been our number one priority and our commitment to leasing or selling the idle units is unaffected by our integration and scaling of our PGI segment. Also recall that the refined coal business is run by an experienced management team with involvement from its owners, including us, for oversight and strategic guidance. This structure will allow us to continue to execute in refined coal while devoting the necessary resources to simultaneously integrate and grow our new assets.

Let's flip to Slide 10 and review the growth opportunities for our new assets. This slide shows our road map for the new ADES and how we plan to leverage our new assets to become the North American leader in mercury control and activated carbon within multiple diversified industries. As we briefly discussed, the entire coal-fired power market, which includes very large utilities and mining companies, were surprised by the unusually poor coal-fired dispatch in Q2. This directly and negatively impacted our consumable product sales.

However, with a broader view, our discussions with both existing and potential future customers are leaving us encouraged about our position in the market that we are winning in. We have executed better than our competitors as represented by our high renewal rates and new wins, which validates that our combined offering provide new value as a combined platform. These are the type of wins we expect to replicate moving forward to drive volumes into 2020. As a reminder, these contracts typically are longer than 1 year, and we must wait to compete as these contracts come up for bid. The second half of this year have more bids than the first half of 2019, and we look forward to updating you as we progress through the year.

We are already attractively positioned for long-term profitable growth due to the completion of our leading position in the segment. The mercury control market in North America is competitive and has seen more than a few changes over the past years as coal burn has shifted to natural gas. As a result, many coal-fired power generators have dramatically reduced headcount and are continuously looking for cost savings. They simply do not have the bandwidth or resources anymore to compete at significant scale. They are now looking for fewer strategic vendors that can provide more for less. With our combined offering, we are best positioned to be the supplier of choice for this changing power market.

Gaining incremental share within the North America mercury control market by driving performance either by pricing power or premium service or product is a top priority. As a reminder, the mercury market is expected to expand 20% to 35% in 2021 and 2022 as refined coal expires. We are thankful to the developers and utilities who have invested time and money to develop refined coal many years ago as their efforts created the platform for many pollution control technologies used today. Like any tax incentive program that benefit society, like refined coal does, the industry deserves the benefits from the tax incentive program. Currently, refined coal is the solution for many facilities and many need these benefits to continue. However, when this incentive expires, we are best positioned to service them.

Next, we are also positioned today to achieve further penetration into the municipal water treatment market. This market provides an immediately addressable adjacent market to grow within. It is also highly fragmented space comprised of many producers and sellers. To better position ourselves in this space, we have made incremental capital investments to advance the product performance and have a focus -- and focus some of our existing personnel here and believe this will lead to positive long-term results within water-activated carbon.

Longer term, we aim to grow our share in industries that command premium products and thus premium prices and margins. We see a significant opportunity in the broader consumer and commercial water market. As everyone has seen over the years in the press, clean water is increasingly in demand, both here and across the globe. This market commands higher margins by approximately 20% to 25% compared to mercury control and has higher expected growth rates. However, entering this market would require upgrades to the existing facility or a combination of feedstock and the associated capital investment. So these opportunities we envision for the future.

In addition to position ourselves as the leader for North American mercury capture and activated carbon and pursuing adjacent market opportunities such as water, we will also evaluate international markets as mercury control regulations outside the U.S. mature, like they currently are in Europe as well as adjacent segments like oil and gas, food and beverage, industrial and consumer markets. The broader water market and other specialized adjacent markets have higher growth rates and higher margins.

As I previously mentioned, this general PGI and overall activated carbon market remains fragmented, and we will continue to evaluate key opportunities to capitalize on the platform that we have, whether they be near-term or longer-term opportunities.

One note regarding our activated carbon assets that most significantly impact the PGI segment and the Q2 results is that we had a period of scheduled downtime for planned maintenance during the second quarter. These scheduled downtimes are planned for and occur every 18 to 24 months for a period of 2 to 3 weeks. The efforts of our people to complete this work during the second quarter with incredible quality allows this asset to remain the best in class.

I'd like to take a moment to review what we have seen since the acquisition of Carbon Solutions and how we think the second half of the year will come together. As reflected in the past 7 to 8 months since the acquisition, the RC landscape, integration of new assets and the go-to-market approach of the activated carbon opportunities have exceeded our expectations. The momentum in the RC business has fostered 2 closures this year. And as I said, we expect to meet our 12 million ton commitment this month. I am also encouraged about Tinuum's pipeline and the prospect of additional closures in 2019.

Turning to PGI. The $2.5 million of operating synergies we outlined when we purchased Carbon Solutions have been achieved. And with the combination of our existing platform, the business is yielding attractive opportunities for both our legacy technologies as well as the activated carbon platform. Although we are pleased with our execution, the downward revision for expected coal-fired generation released by the EIA is a key input we look at when forecasting future expectations internally. So we have been assessing that change and the ultimate effect it has on short-term outlook for our specialty chemical business.

Revenues have been fairly flat thus far, but we still maintain the conviction that we have an opportunity to grow this business in 2020 and beyond as we outlined for you earlier. Carbon Solutions was a business through the market downturn was generating between $5 million to $6 million in EBITDA at the time of the acquisition. And we have long believed that this asset, given its underutilized capacity and efficient nature, is capable of far better performance. That said, we're still evaluating volumes and production costs, which have ultimately led to margins below what we have seen as the long-term potential of this business. However, we have tremendous leverage as the combined entity to drive volumes higher and be competitive across different markets.

As we look to the remainder of this year, we continue to expect to have new customers starting in the second half of the year, which will allow our activated carbon assets to yield results with higher revenue and margin than the first half of 2019, and we'll look to expand that profitability into 2020 and beyond. In the meantime, our strong projected future cash flows in excess of our term loan balance offers us incredible flexibility as we position ourselves for future and scale this operation.

Moving to Slide 11. Let's review our capital allocation approach. Since the start of the capital allocation program in the second quarter of 2017, the company has paid $45 million in dividends and utilized capital of over $44 million to repurchase shares. We paid our second quarter dividend on June 7, and our third quarter dividend declared yesterday will be paid on September 6. As Greg mentioned, we made roughly $10 million in principal payments this quarter on our term loan, and we expect to continue to aggressively pay down our debt while maintaining our commitment to dividend and opportunistic share repurchases. These initiatives remain a key focus of ours, and we believe we generate sufficient cash flow to both honor our capital return commitments and invest in the new business.

Finally, let's review our 2019 priorities on Slide 12. As always, our ongoing commitment to leasing additional RC facilities and supporting Tinuum in their efforts to secure tax equity investors is unchanged. Maximizing RC cash flows will continue to be our first focus as the cash flows from this partnership are utilized to honor our capital allocation commitments. Our second strategic goal will be the integration of our newly acquired assets, people and operations to immediately capture share in the North American mercury control and municipal water activated carbon market. We will also evaluate and pursue the adjacent, attractive opportunities in other verticals, which we are beginning to do now. And finally, we will continue to return capital to our shareholders through our continued commitment to our dividend program as well as the opportunistic repurchasing of outstanding shares.

So with that, we'll take questions.

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Questions and Answers

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Operator [1]

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(Operator Instructions) Your first question comes from Sameer Joshi with H.C. Wainwright.

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Sameer S. Joshi, H.C. Wainwright & Co, LLC, Research Division - Associate [2]

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Just a clarification on the write-up versus the commentary. I think in the write-up you mentioned planned turnaround. Is that the same as the plant maintenance, the 2- to 3-week plant maintenance you mentioned?

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L. Heath Sampson, Advanced Emissions Solutions, Inc. - CEO, President & Director [3]

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Yes. They're synonymous. In the industry, they use turnaround and I just clarify that it's closure. So both are synonymous.

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Sameer S. Joshi, H.C. Wainwright & Co, LLC, Research Division - Associate [4]

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Okay. Got it. On the RC front or rather on the Tinuum front, has there been any change in the cost structure of -- in terms of operating costs and distributions? Also, you mentioned there was CapEx of $17 million last year and you expect similar levels this year. What portion of that CapEx has already been spent?

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L. Heath Sampson, Advanced Emissions Solutions, Inc. - CEO, President & Director [5]

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So do you have that, Greg?

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Greg P. Marken, Advanced Emissions Solutions, Inc. - CFO, Secretary & Treasurer [6]

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For $17 million?

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L. Heath Sampson, Advanced Emissions Solutions, Inc. - CEO, President & Director [7]

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For the $17 million. Yes. So it's going to be consistent with last year because of the facilities that we have in place. Greg is flipping through that. What was the first part of your question again?

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Sameer S. Joshi, H.C. Wainwright & Co, LLC, Research Division - Associate [8]

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Yes. The other question was about just the cost -- operating cost structure there. Are there any costs that are different than, say, a year ago?

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L. Heath Sampson, Advanced Emissions Solutions, Inc. - CEO, President & Director [9]

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So on the first part, there's no material change in their cost structure and what they're doing. And then the second part of your question related to CapEx, it's a little over $9 million has already been spent on a year-to-date basis, and that's included in the liquidity disclosure within the 10-Q as well.

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Sameer S. Joshi, H.C. Wainwright & Co, LLC, Research Division - Associate [10]

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Right. And so in conjunction with that, you also mentioned that additional facility will be -- like you will reach 12 million tons this month. So that takes into account this as well?

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L. Heath Sampson, Advanced Emissions Solutions, Inc. - CEO, President & Director [11]

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It does. That CapEx for something that's going to close this month has already been incurred. That's what's in that $9 million.

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Sameer S. Joshi, H.C. Wainwright & Co, LLC, Research Division - Associate [12]

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Right. Right. Understood. And then on the EBITDA front, towards the end of your presentation, you mentioned around $5 million to $6 million EBITDA from Carbon Solutions. Was this at the time of acquisition? Or was this the annualized first year expectation for you?

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L. Heath Sampson, Advanced Emissions Solutions, Inc. - CEO, President & Director [13]

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That was at the time of the acquisition as the market was going through the downturn and all those things. That's what they were performing.

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Sameer S. Joshi, H.C. Wainwright & Co, LLC, Research Division - Associate [14]

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And so what is the target for this year? Or it has not been disclosed?

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L. Heath Sampson, Advanced Emissions Solutions, Inc. - CEO, President & Director [15]

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Yes. We're not disclosing what the target is going to be this year, mainly because of the refined coal business. Trying to get the refined coal business predicted for 2019 is challenging. It's large dollar amounts and the timing really matters. Coupled that with what we're seeing in the business, it didn't make sense to give that broader kind of 2019 guidance. We think it would be unproductive we -- as you see, we still give the cash forecast for Tinuum. I mean we still do that. But the broader market, I think it makes sense to really understand the longer-term strategy and couple that with the guidance. So that's why we've decided not to going to give some tight '19 guidance.

We didn't think it was productive right now. But like we -- like I also said on the call, with the asset and the acquisition and our ability to execute, I feel the same, if not better, than when we made the acquisition. So as we get through this bumpy time to do what's called dispatch, we look forward to coming out the latter part of this year and especially in the 2020 to be well positioned like we said when we initially made this acquisition.

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Sameer S. Joshi, H.C. Wainwright & Co, LLC, Research Division - Associate [16]

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Understood. And then last one sort of a complex question or compound question. Looking forward at the industries that you're -- or markets that you're targeting, the broader water market and international mercury control markets, can you give us an idea of the size of these markets and what is your expected share of that market and what is the time line you are targeting to achieve that?

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L. Heath Sampson, Advanced Emissions Solutions, Inc. - CEO, President & Director [17]

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Yes. So the -- first, the markets that we are looking specifically international and the municipal water market. Why we are excited about those? Because our current capabilities and our current products can service those markets. So that makes sense to go into those places first.

The international side, it's primarily in Europe, and those are just beginning. They actually don't have to start being in compliance till 2021. So we are pursuing what we're going to be there. That market is fairly broad. It's about 1/3 of what the U.S. market is from a mercury control perspective, but that's continuing to mature. So it's significant, and it would be meaningful. As we move through the next number of months and quarters, we'll get tighter on what we think the expectation is there. But it is significant, and it will drive value if we can get into that market.

The water market, specifically the municipal water market, depends how you segment it. We've disclosed in the past that it's around 200 million to 300 million pounds per year. Our segment is smaller than that, and that's the segment we are attacking. So our -- obviously, international, we don't have any volume. Our mercury volume -- I mean, our water market is really low as well. So we will see strong growth rates in both of those markets as they begin to mature.

As we get into them and we see success, we'll give more updates on what the size and the opportunity for us to get into them are. The purpose of us talking about them is because they are areas that we haven't looked at and our current capabilities can get into those. So we wanted to make sure we are transparent that there is broader opportunity. And again, we'll update on what the size and our addressable component are going to be in later quarters.

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Sameer S. Joshi, H.C. Wainwright & Co, LLC, Research Division - Associate [18]

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Understood. So it is mid- to longer-term target -- market?

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L. Heath Sampson, Advanced Emissions Solutions, Inc. - CEO, President & Director [19]

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Yes. There's near term right now in the municipal side. We are selling into that, and we are winning contracts within that. But we -- so -- and we expect this year to be good. But really, this is new for us. So I'd like to articulate sometime when we can say, okay, here's what our revenue is now and here's what the future is going to be. So we just need some time to make sure we can execute and then provide a key tight guidelines for what we think the expectations are further. So it's not mid- or even long-term of municipal water. It's happening today.

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Sameer S. Joshi, H.C. Wainwright & Co, LLC, Research Division - Associate [20]

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Understood. I know I said it was the last question, but just one more clarification. In addition to the 12 million target that you will achieve this month, are there any -- should we expect additional installs or deployments over the next 2 quarters?

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L. Heath Sampson, Advanced Emissions Solutions, Inc. - CEO, President & Director [21]

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Yes, we're in -- I'm going to sound like a broken record, but I feel really good about additional closures, like I said in the script. The when and the timing with refined coal unless it's really tight like we are just announcing that we feel good about when that's going to close this month. For us to really get tight on when the timing is going to be and our conviction around it. We'll just update you when we get close, but we are spending money. We have a lot of discussions. So we feel good about the prospect of additional closures in 2019. But we'll give an update on timing as we get closer.

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Operator [22]

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There are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back over to Heath for closing remarks.

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L. Heath Sampson, Advanced Emissions Solutions, Inc. - CEO, President & Director [23]

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Well, thanks to everybody for your time today. We really appreciate you joining, and we look forward to updating you next quarter. Take care.

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Operator [24]

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This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.