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Edited Transcript of AIV earnings conference call or presentation 1-Nov-19 5:00pm GMT

Q3 2019 Apartment Investment and Management Co Earnings Call

DENVER Nov 6, 2019 (Thomson StreetEvents) -- Edited Transcript of Apartment Investment and Management Co earnings conference call or presentation Friday, November 1, 2019 at 5:00:00pm GMT

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Corporate Participants

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* Keith M. Kimmel

Apartment Investment and Management Company - EVP of Property Operations

* Lisa R. Cohn

Apartment Investment and Management Company - Executive VP, General Counsel & Secretary

* Paul L. Beldin

Apartment Investment and Management Company

* Terry Considine

Apartment Investment and Management Company - Chairman & CEO

* Wesley William Powell

Apartment Investment and Management Company - EVP of Redevelopment

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Conference Call Participants

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* Andrew T. Babin

Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated, Research Division - Senior Research Analyst

* Austin Todd Wurschmidt

KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc., Research Division - VP

* Buck Horne

Raymond James & Associates, Inc., Research Division - SVP of Equity Research

* Haendel Emmanuel St. Juste

Mizuho Securities USA LLC, Research Division - MD of Americas Research & Senior Equity Research Analyst

* Hardik Goel

Zelman & Associates LLC - VP of Research

* John Joseph Pawlowski

Green Street Advisors, LLC, Research Division - Analyst

* Nicholas Gregory Joseph

Citigroup Inc, Research Division - Director & Senior Analyst

* Piljung Kim

BMO Capital Markets Equity Research - Senior Real Estate Analyst

* Richard Charles Anderson

SMBC Nikko Securities Inc., Research Division - Research Analyst

* Robert Chapman Stevenson

Janney Montgomery Scott LLC, Research Division - MD, Head of Real Estate Research & Senior Research Analyst

* Shirley Wu

BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division - Research Analyst

* Trent Nathan Trujillo

Scotiabank Global Banking and Markets, Research Division - Analyst

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Presentation

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Operator [1]

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Good day, and welcome to the Aimco Third Quarter 2019 Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. (Operator Instructions) Please note, today's event is being recorded.

I would now like to turn the conference over to Ms. Lisa Cohn, Executive Vice President, General Counsel. Please go ahead, ma'am.

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Lisa R. Cohn, Apartment Investment and Management Company - Executive VP, General Counsel & Secretary [2]

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Thank you, and good day. During this conference call, the forward-looking statements we make are based on management's judgment, including projections related to 2019 results and 2020 expectations. These statements are subject to certain risks and uncertainties, a description of which can be found in our SEC filings. Actual results may differ materially from what may be discussed today. We will also discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures such as AFFO and FFO. These are defined and are reconciled to the most comparable GAAP measures in the supplemental information that is part of the full earnings release published on Aimco's website.

Prepared remarks today come from Terry Considine, our Chairman and CEO; Keith Kimmel, our Executive Vice President, in charge of Property Operations; Wes Powell, our Executive Vice President, in charge of Redevelopment; and Paul Beldin, our Chief Financial Officer. Other members of management are also present and will be available during our Q&A session, which will follow our prepared remarks.

I will now turn the call to Terry Considine. Terry?

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Terry Considine, Apartment Investment and Management Company - Chairman & CEO [3]

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Thank you, Lisa, and good morning to all of you on this call. Thank you for your interest in Aimco.

The third quarter was another strong quarter for Aimco across all our business metrics, including adjusted funds from operations, which exceeded the midpoint of guidance by $0.02 per share. In operations, Keith and his team are having an excellent 2019. So far this year, they lead all peers in same-store revenue growth, same-store expense growth, same-store net operating income growth, same-store net operating income margin and perhaps, most important, customer retention driven by consistently improving levels of customer satisfaction and improved customer selection.

One impressive measure of their productivity, the compounded annual growth rate and controllable operating expenses has been negative for the past 12 years.

In redevelopment, Wes and his team are on track creating value across the portfolio. For example, at Parc Mosaic in Boulder they welcomed our first residents with rates and at a lease pace ahead of underwritten expectations.

On the balance sheet, Patti and Paul took advantage of low interest rates to place $670 million of long-dated property loans at 3.34%. In the past few quarters, they've reduced the cost of our leverage, in the next few, they will reduce its absolute amount.

Debt to EBITDA temporarily elevated as planned will be 0.5 turn less by the end of this year and a full turn less by the end of next year.

With this year's leasing mostly complete, our focus naturally returns to next year. We have already provided our primary outlook for 2020. We see another good year with solid growth with same-store net operating income up 3.7% to 4.1% with AFFO per share up 6% to 8%, and economic income per share up 8% to 11% to a year-end net asset value of about $63 per share.

We expect to achieve these results not withstanding our continued investment in growth through redevelopment. As Schedule 10 shows, we have made a substantial investment in assets, which are nonearning or reduced earnings while the properties are being redeveloped. We accept short-term pain for long-term gain because over the next 4 years, these 6 redevelopments will be completed, departments will be leased and the properties will be stabilized.

After consideration of moving parts, including capitalized costs and the cost of capital to complete construction, the 6 properties are expected to increase the run rate of the 2020 base case by adding another $27 million to NOI and $0.18 per share to bottom line. So we expect 2020 to be another good year, we're upbeat about the future. We're also prepared for a possible downturn in the economy. By comparison to the general population of apartment renters, Aimco customers on average are older and more stable with higher incomes and better credit. We have a limited cost to complete our redevelopments now underway. We have only nominal maturing debt. We have abundant liquidity in our largely unused $800 million bank line and in ready access to more through our $2.4 billion of unlevered properties.

We like our balance of growth and safety. These results and prospects are the work of a great team. For all that they've done and for the bright prospects of tomorrow, I offer my Aimco teammates many and sincere thanks. I'm proud of what we've accomplished together.

And now for more detail, I'd like to turn the call over to Keith Kimmel, Head of Property Operations. Keith?

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Keith M. Kimmel, Apartment Investment and Management Company - EVP of Property Operations [4]

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Thanks, Terry. I'm pleased to report that we had a strong third quarter in operations, delivering sector-leading margin for the ninth straight quarter. We set new highs in occupancy, a solid rate growth and a decrease in controllable operating expenses. Our consistent performance has resulted in sector-leading revenue, expense and NOI year-to-date. We begin with a relentless focus on customer selection and exceptional customer service. This playbook leads to lower turnover, higher occupancy, avoided cost and better margin. Based on more than 20,000 surveys in the third quarter, customer satisfaction was over 4.25 out of 5 stars. This marks the 11th consecutive quarter at this world-class level.

Third quarter turnover was 44.8%, a 40 basis point improvement year-over-year. As a result, our average daily occupancy was a third quarter record at 96.8%. We accelerated throughout the quarter from 96.6% in July to 97% in September. Our strong occupancy translated to solid top line growth with revenues up 3.8% for the quarter. Our top markets, with growth over 4.5%, were Philadelphia, Washington D.C, Boston and Atlanta. We have strong performances of growth over 3.5% in Denver and Los Angeles. Solid markets with growth over 2% were the Bay Area, San Diego, Miami and Chicago. Finally, markets with growth over 1% were New York and Seattle.

Now turning to expenses. As demonstrated by our decade of cost leadership, innovation and productivity are core to income. Controllable operating expenses were down 80 basis points in the third quarter, with decreases in marketing and turn costs resulting from high retention. This was offset by increases in property taxes, leading it to expense growth of 3.1%. As a result, net operating income grew 4.1% and margins expanded to 73.1%, an improvement of 20 basis points over last year.

Looking at leases which transacted in the quarter. New lease rates were up 2.5%. Renewal rates were up 4.6% and same-store blended lease rates were up 3.6%. Our strongest new lease rate growth was in Boston, Seattle and Denver, and with the most pressure on new lease rates in Chicago and Atlanta.

Finally, as we look at our preliminary October results, we are continuing our occupancy acceleration and tracking towards a strong start to our 2020 plan.

Blended lease rates are up 3.1%, 30 basis points better than last year. New leases are up 1%, renewals are up 5.1%, all while achieving an average daily occupancy of 97.1%, some 30 basis points better than 2018. And with great thanks to our teams in the field and here in Denver for your commitment to Aimco's success.

I'll turn the call over to Wes Powell, our Executive Vice President of Redevelopment. Wes?

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Wesley William Powell, Apartment Investment and Management Company - EVP of Redevelopment [5]

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Thanks, Keith. Aimco's redevelopment activities remain on track and details have been provided within our release. Today, I'll touch on our investments and portfolio management strategies and also provide some color on recent activity.

As ever, Aimco looks to make investments where we can earn outsized returns on a risk-adjusted basis. Broadly, we're looking for anomalies. Most often, our investments are covered land plays, where we expect the appreciation of land to more than offset the depreciation of our buildings. This provides the opportunity for value-creating redevelopment. We have and adhere to strict policies favoring a portfolio diversified by price point and geography, customers with strong credit, limited exposure to entitlement, lease-up and completion risks, modest near-term debt maturities and abundant liquidity, including cash in a pool of unencumbered properties.

We are cautious about exposure to ground-up development. When appropriate, we employ others to take on those efforts, for example, Alexandria in Kendall Square, Trammell Crow in the Anschutz Medical Campus and absent an outright sale, this will be the case when we monetize the land value of our Brickell Bay Drive waterfront properties in Miami. We do not shy away from complicated deal structures, believing that some complexities can reduce risk and/or lead to higher returns.

Now moving on to portfolio management and recent activity. While Aimco benefits from a geographically diversified portfolio, our markets are not fixed forever. Year-to-date, we have sold 4 properties located in Chicago's western suburbs, cutting in half our exposure there. We invested the proceeds into previously announced acquisitions, redevelopment and development projects in South Florida, Colorado's Front Range and Cambridge Mass, where we find markets with greater economic and population growth, friendlier tax environments and superior fiscal policies. And with thanks to all of my teammates for their continued hard work and constant pursuit of value-creating opportunities.

I would now like to turn the call over to Paul Beldin, our Chief Financial Officer. Paul?

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Paul L. Beldin, Apartment Investment and Management Company [6]

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Thank you, Wes. Today, I'm going to start with 2019 results and guidance, then discuss Aimco's balance sheet and finish with the 2020 outlook that we published 1 month ago.

First, third quarter AFFO was $0.02 ahead of the midpoint of guidance. As a result of our third quarter outperformance and our expectations for the fourth quarter, we are increasing our AFFO guidance for a second time this year. We now expect AFFO per share of $2.20 at the midpoint, an increase of $0.03 from our beginning of year expectations. The strong operating results delivered by Keith contributed to our increase in guidance and increased asset values. Also increasing asset values are the value-creating redevelopments delivered by Wes. Taken together and with the accretive effects of our portfolio management activities, we expect 2019 year-end net asset value of $59 per share.

Next, Aimco's balance sheet has abundant liquidity with a $800 million credit facility that is fully available and a pool of assets unencumbered by debt valued at $2.4 billion. Aimco leverage-to-EBITDA consistent with plan is currently above target. We expect to reduce leverage by 0.5 turn to 7x before our next earnings call, as we execute on our remaining $300 million of planned property sales.

Now turning to our 2020 preliminary outlook. We published the preliminary outlook 1 month ago to provide an early view into the expected growth beyond the fourth quarter. We preliminary expect 2020 AFFO to increase year-over-year by $0.13 to $0.18 per share or 6% to 8%. We expect this AFFO increase to be driven almost entirely by NOI from our 2020 same-store communities.

Diving a little further, we expect same-store revenue growth between 3.2% and 3.6%, same-store expense growth between 1.8% and 2.2%, same-store NOI growth between 3.7% and 4.1% and leverage-to-EBITDA to [decline] to 6.6x driven by EBITDA growth and $100 million reduction in net debt.

Organic growth, disciplined value creation by redevelopment and development and a cohesive team are expected to produce 2020 year-end net asset value per share between $62 and $64 resulting in an economic income growth of approximately 8% to 11%. As Terry mentioned, we are mindful of possible changes to the economy and are well prepared. Please refer to Pages 6 and 7 of our 2020 outlook for Aimco specific factors and policies, which are intended to minimize the impact of an economic downturn across all aspects of our business. Lastly, based on completing our annual plan and as we complete the budget process, we will issue formal guidance with the fourth quarter earnings release in late January.

With that, we will now open up the call for questions. (Operator Instructions)

Rocko, I'll turn over to you for the first question.

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Questions and Answers

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Operator [1]

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(Operator Instructions) Today's first question comes from John Kim of BMO Capital Markets.

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Piljung Kim, BMO Capital Markets Equity Research - Senior Real Estate Analyst [2]

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On your 2020 outlook, you basically have same-store revenue decelerating a little bit. Can you just talk about that dynamic given your leasing spreads are up on a year-over-year basis?

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Paul L. Beldin, Apartment Investment and Management Company [3]

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You bet, John. This is Paul. So the primary decline in the rate of revenue growth from where we expect the midpoint of 2019 guidance to be at 3.7%. And our range that we issued for next year is really driven by the rate of growth and occupancy. Keith and the team have done a wonderful job, picking up about 60 basis points year-to-date of occupancy. And while we see the opportunity to do better next year, it's not going to be at that same rate of growth. And so that explains the change.

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Piljung Kim, BMO Capital Markets Equity Research - Senior Real Estate Analyst [4]

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Okay. And just sticking to the outlook. And then $59 NAV that you have for the fourth quarter estimated, I guess it's like a 5% increase over the last 6 months. Can you just walk through the components of the change? I mean looks like maybe half of that was same-store NOI growth, cap rate compression and any redevelopment upside to the NAV that you've created?

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Paul L. Beldin, Apartment Investment and Management Company [5]

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John, I think you've nailed it. Those are the 3 components. What I'd tell you is that as part of our meeting at NAREIT in a couple of weeks, we'll issue a third quarter NAV. And we'll have all the detailed particulars there, and we can crawl through those specifics at that time.

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Piljung Kim, BMO Capital Markets Equity Research - Senior Real Estate Analyst [6]

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Maybe specifically, you mentioned -- you assumed unchanged market pricing. But I was just wondering, if you had actually put in or factored in lower cap rates over the last 6 months? And if so, how much?

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Paul L. Beldin, Apartment Investment and Management Company [7]

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Yes. So the unchanged market price is really more of a prospective look, as we are forecasting out expectation for our year-end 2020 NAV. The 2019 number is based upon current cap rates.

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Operator [8]

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Our next question today comes from Shirley Wu of Bank of America.

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Shirley Wu, BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division - Research Analyst [9]

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So similarly, on the '20 preliminary outlook, you expect guidance of 1.8% to 2.2%, could you walk us through some of the major buckets, and your expectations for some line items like taxes, insurance, utilities and controllables?

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Paul L. Beldin, Apartment Investment and Management Company [10]

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Yes, Shirley. We'll get into all the detailed particulars when we set formal guidance in the -- on the fourth quarter call. But just to whet your appetite, I would tell you that embedded within that range of growth we have an expectation that our controllable operating expenses will continue to be well under peer average. Keith mentioned that we were negative on a year-to-date basis. We expect for the full year to be up about 50 basis points in '19, and we expect similar or better results in 2020.

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Shirley Wu, BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division - Research Analyst [11]

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Got it. It still early for that. And going to your 1001 Brickell acquisition. Could you talk to the lease-up on that office asset, and your optionalities for redevelopment? And the potential structure of that deal potentially?

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Wesley William Powell, Apartment Investment and Management Company - EVP of Redevelopment [12]

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Shirley, it's Wes. I'll take that. And thanks for the question. First, on the existing office building, it's early days, but it's right on plan. In fact, maybe a little bit ahead of plan. So we feel very good about that. The bigger picture, I think it's important to note that our plan to monetize that investment is going to be based on the value of the underlying land. We feel like we increased that value day 1 when we combine the site with our neighboring Yacht Club property. And that land value is going to be based likely on a mixed-used development.

Today, as of right, you can build over 3 million square feet on the site. And basically, we're going to wait and see what happens over time. And we're going to make that decision and be able to monetize that investment without taking on the risk of ground-up development. And so there's a question of whether we participate in that, perhaps there is an apartment component to it. That would be a logical place, but that's a choice for the future. And right now we feel like we have a great position to earn a current return while we see what happens over the coming years.

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Operator [13]

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Our next question today comes from Trent Trujillo of Scotiabank.

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Trent Nathan Trujillo, Scotiabank Global Banking and Markets, Research Division - Analyst [14]

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So Paul, and maybe Lisa or others, on your leverage plans, you said that, that'll be accomplished once you complete your paired trades. So where does that stand, since you didn't sell anything in the third quarter versus what you previously guided as $100 million for the quarter. Is that just a timing issue? And I guess related, I'm asking because if I look at the disposition list on your website, I see that the lodge at Chattahoochee, Chimneys of Cradlerock and Timbers at Long Reach are no longer on that list?

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Paul L. Beldin, Apartment Investment and Management Company [15]

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Yes, I'll start and then I'll maybe turn it over to Lisa, if there's any additional information that maybe I neglected to cover. The expectation of the $100 million of sales in the third quarter was based upon our call in the -- in last January, as we went through and scheduled out or sales for the year. Those have subsequently been planned to move back. I guess it was not something that we maybe explicitly communicated. So sorry for the misunderstanding there. But from about the second quarter on, our plan was to sell the remaining $300 million in the fourth quarter. Those sales are proceeding on track. Pricing is good. Interest is good. And Lisa anything else you could add?

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Lisa R. Cohn, Apartment Investment and Management Company - Executive VP, General Counsel & Secretary [16]

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You hit all that. And one thing I'd add, the reason those are no longer on the website is because right now they're under contract. So you're up to date.

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Trent Nathan Trujillo, Scotiabank Global Banking and Markets, Research Division - Analyst [17]

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Fair enough. Terry, maybe a bigger picture question, on a call earlier this year, I asked about how you were thinking about your exposure to California, roughly 40% of your capital or portfolio. And you mentioned you may consider joint venture structures on your existing assets. So with rent regulation initiatives, some markets seeing softness, other submarkets seeing higher supply in the coming year. Has there been any further consideration to that? And maybe under what circumstances would you view that as an attractive thing to do, both financially and from a market diversification perspective.

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Terry Considine, Apartment Investment and Management Company - Chairman & CEO [18]

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Trent, first, thank you very much for the question. It's an important issue in front of Aimco. And my views today are the same as they were when you asked earlier in the year. We like our allocation to California. It's a tremendous market. It's a very large economy, very dynamic. But we like it at about 40%, which is where we are today. And I think that we would like to take some of our capital in California and redeploy it perhaps in California, where it can earn a higher return, perhaps in Wes' redevelopment activities. And the most cost-effective way to do that, I think will be to sell a fractional interest which maintains the protection against property tax increases under Prop 13. So that's -- you have the game plan. And we're looking at that every day.

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Operator [19]

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And our next question today comes from Nick Joseph at Citi.

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Nicholas Gregory Joseph, Citigroup Inc, Research Division - Director & Senior Analyst [20]

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Terry, maybe following up on California. Just want to get your thoughts on AB 1482 and then potentially Prop 10 back on the ballot. And then specific to 1482, if that had been in place at the beginning of the year, what would have been the impact on same-store revenue growth in California this year?

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Terry Considine, Apartment Investment and Management Company - Chairman & CEO [21]

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Rick (sic) [Nick], I hate to say, I'm sufficiently out of date. Is 1482 the rent control bill that was signed by the Governor?

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Nicholas Gregory Joseph, Citigroup Inc, Research Division - Director & Senior Analyst [22]

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Correct.

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Terry Considine, Apartment Investment and Management Company - Chairman & CEO [23]

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Okay. Then I think that our feeling is that it will have a benign effect on our leasing activity during the time that it's in effect. One of the other bills, perhaps that bill also includes some provisions about fair eviction or fair termination of leases. And so there'll be a compliance issue. There's a nuance around mark-to-market rent increases for -- but we have a very limited amount of that. So there's some consequences. But it doesn't change our overall view of the attractiveness of California as a place to invest.

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Nicholas Gregory Joseph, Citigroup Inc, Research Division - Director & Senior Analyst [24]

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And maybe specific to the financial impact if it had been in place at the beginning of the year in terms of the renewals that you're achieving?

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Paul L. Beldin, Apartment Investment and Management Company [25]

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Nick, this is Paul. The financial impact would be inconsequential.

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Nicholas Gregory Joseph, Citigroup Inc, Research Division - Director & Senior Analyst [26]

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Okay. And then just quickly on dispositions. You've been selling out of Illinois? Is that a complete market exit? Or do you expect to keep exposure about where it is today?

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Paul L. Beldin, Apartment Investment and Management Company [27]

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If -- you're asking me or you're asking, Lisa? But in general, we think that Illinois has some very difficult headwinds. And we would expect to reduce our exposure there, provided we get reasonable pricing. And so it's always subject to a price. There are properties there that we like better and some that we like less, as you would expect. And we're, as always, selling off the bottom.

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Operator [28]

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And our next question comes from Austin Wurschmidt of KeyBanc Capital Markets.

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Austin Todd Wurschmidt, KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc., Research Division - VP [29]

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Just -- what does the preliminary guidance assume in terms of supply across your markets in 2020 versus 2019?

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Paul L. Beldin, Apartment Investment and Management Company [30]

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Yes. So thinking about supply for next year as we sit here in October. Really, our thoughts are very similar year-over-year. As we entered 2019, we expected majority of the impact from competitive new supply to be centered in 2 submarkets. The first was in the Center City, University City areas in Philadelphia. And that supply has been delivered on time, on schedule throughout the course of 2019. 2019 I think was the fourth year in a row of elevated levels of new supply. And we expect that high-level supply to continue next year. The good news is the pace of deliveries is slowing. And so while we are in excess of 4% and 5% for the past 4 years, it's forecast to be closer to 3% looking forward in 2020.

The second submarket that we had some concern about entering 2019 was the Mid-Wilshire area of Los Angeles, and we had expected completions as a percent of new stock to be just over 2%. As everybody on the call I think knows, deliveries have been slowed a little bit in Mid-Wilshire this year. And so what that has done is just shifted some deliveries that were expected to occur late in 2019 into 2020. And so that's going to tip us likely up above that 2% threshold that we use as a critical factor for 2020 Mid-Wilshire. Those are the 2 submarkets. I guess there are 2 particular assets I would call everybody's attention to, that we are monitoring closely in 2020. One is One Canal, which is in the Bullfinch Triangle neighborhood of Boston, a couple of blocks from the garden. And next year there is a forecast of about 2,600 new units within that submarket. So One Canal is going to have a little bit of a slog next year. And then the other community is our Calhoun Beach Club community in Minneapolis, where there's about 1,600 new units that are expected to be delivered in 2020. But largely, we're in very similar spot year-over-year.

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Austin Todd Wurschmidt, KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc., Research Division - VP [31]

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With respect to the Bay Area, I mean there's been some commentary around supply across several of the submarkets within that region. Anything in that region that's worth flagging as well?

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Paul L. Beldin, Apartment Investment and Management Company [32]

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Yes. In that region, I'd say the one submarket that we're watching is the South San Mateo submarket. And so there are some new deliveries that are coming online there. Timing is very dependent, and it's kind of back-end weighted. So we'll wait and see. But as we execute our plan because of the timing of the delivery of the new supply, we don't think it's going to be particularly impactful.

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Austin Todd Wurschmidt, KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc., Research Division - VP [33]

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I appreciate the comments there. And then next question, was wondering if you could walk us through the different components that get you -- you referenced a full turn lower leverage, I believe, by year-end '20. Given the prior comments that I think you plan to potentially ramp redevelopment in 2020. So can you just give us the moving pieces there that gets you to a full turn lower?

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Paul L. Beldin, Apartment Investment and Management Company [34]

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Yes. So half of that is coming in the next couple of months as we complete our asset sales. And then the other reduction is driven by about $100 million reduction in net debt. And next year, as we just execute the plan that we've outlined in the preliminary outlook, and then the remainder comes from EBITDA growth. And so embedded in that is our expectation that our redevelopment spend next year will likely be in the $250 million to $300 million range. That's all contemplated.

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Operator [35]

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And our next question today comes from Rob Stevenson of Janney.

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Robert Chapman Stevenson, Janney Montgomery Scott LLC, Research Division - MD, Head of Real Estate Research & Senior Research Analyst [36]

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Keith, when you look at your A, B and C plus buckets, how significant are the gaps between year-to-date blended lease growth between those buckets?

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Keith M. Kimmel, Apartment Investment and Management Company - EVP of Property Operations [37]

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Rob, we really measure it looking at new leases as the best barometer. And so what -- when we look at it, there's been about a 50 basis point spread between As and Bs, Bs slightly outperforming. But of course, it always comes down to some of those markets and geographies across the country. So it really isn't necessarily strictly that it's a B product or an A product. It can come down to an A that's in Miami could be outperforming one of our Bs or, vice versa, in another part of the country. So about a 50 basis point spread is really what to look at.

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Robert Chapman Stevenson, Janney Montgomery Scott LLC, Research Division - MD, Head of Real Estate Research & Senior Research Analyst [38]

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Okay. And that's on new leases. Are you seeing any type of difference in terms of renewal rates and/or ability to absorb rental rate increases on renewals?

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Keith M. Kimmel, Apartment Investment and Management Company - EVP of Property Operations [39]

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No, we're not, actually. And we continue to see that we have upside with the ability of our focus on customer selection and their ability to pay their credit worthiness. And we have not seen any change in the way that they're able to absorb or take on increases.

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Robert Chapman Stevenson, Janney Montgomery Scott LLC, Research Division - MD, Head of Real Estate Research & Senior Research Analyst [40]

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Okay. And then secondly, have you guys plateaued in terms of the various fees that you charge residents? Or are there other opportunities on the fee front in front of you over the next 12 to 18 months?

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Keith M. Kimmel, Apartment Investment and Management Company - EVP of Property Operations [41]

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Rob, I'll take that. What I would say is that there's a couple of ways to think about the fees. First and foremost, when we think about fees that are associated with leasing activity. When we run at higher occupancies we see less of those. And that's a good thing as far as we're concerned. Also with higher occupancies, we are able to get more parking fees, more pet fees, more storage fees and things like that. Really, what I think it comes down to is how we're able to promote those and create unique living experiences within our communities in which people take advantage of them. So I would say, while I don't -- I wouldn't say that's where we put majority of our focus. And in fact, it's a small portion of our revenues. It's an area in which we continue to focus on. And we see in the future still opportunity.

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Robert Chapman Stevenson, Janney Montgomery Scott LLC, Research Division - MD, Head of Real Estate Research & Senior Research Analyst [42]

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Okay. And how are you seeing the, sort of, smart home type of stuff? About half of your peers view it as a revenue opportunity. And then half of them basically view it as an expense savings and not really a revenue opportunity. How are you guys viewing that?

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Keith M. Kimmel, Apartment Investment and Management Company - EVP of Property Operations [43]

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Rob, let me walk you through how we think about that just sort of holistically. We don't implement technology just for technology's sake or some sort of whizbang. At the end of the day, we really have a couple of things. The first one is, is there a different customer experience in which if we apply something that people will stay with us longer and they like living at our communities more. The next piece is how it can impact our team members and therefore, having better jobs that are more rewarding or easier to do.

And ultimately, being more efficient and more effective. In how we do this. And so when we think it's smart rent, using that as the example. Over the last year, we put 30,000 units in, we were out in front of the market. And what we've seen is that our residents have a smoother experience. Our service team members are cutting less keys. And at the end of the day, it really comes down to residents staying with us longer, team members wanting to have a more rewarding job. And it's a holistic look at all those things combined.

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Operator [44]

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Our next question today comes from Drew Babin with Baird.

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Andrew T. Babin, Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated, Research Division - Senior Research Analyst [45]

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I wanted to touch on Los Angeles. The delay in new deliveries in Mid-Wilshire that you mentioned. Should we take that to -- as evidence that your fundamentals are holding up pretty well in L.A.? I know revenue growth on the books for 3Q look pretty consistent with 2Q. I'm just curious whether anything sort of changed towards the end of the corner -- quarter, as many of your peers have reported?

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Keith M. Kimmel, Apartment Investment and Management Company - EVP of Property Operations [46]

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Drew, it's Keith, I'll walk you through how we're feeling about L.A. I mean I think, first and foremost, we're feeling like we're having a really solid year there. We've been in the top 1 or 2 positions over the past several quarters. This quarter, similar. When we look at our occupancies, we're running in the high 96s. And while we know that there are potential supplies, we haven't -- it has not affected us yet. And so what we're focused on is how do we have residents that stay with us longer. Do we have a unique product offering. And ultimately, that we'll have an advantage even if there's new product that comes online. With that being said, we're very keen to what's happening around us. And we'll keep you posted as it goes.

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Andrew T. Babin, Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated, Research Division - Senior Research Analyst [47]

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I appreciate the color. And one more for me. With blended leasing spreads at 3.5% year-to-date, and presuming there's not a lot of activity in the fourth quarter. But it'll probably negatively impact that number before the year ends. How should we think about the amount of occupancy growth sort of built into the 2020 revenue growth number, which also implies some deceleration in new leasing activity towards the end of the year? Is there anything that I'm missing in terms of other income growth or on the occupancy front that sort of gets you more solidly into that 3.2% to 3.6% range?

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Keith M. Kimmel, Apartment Investment and Management Company - EVP of Property Operations [48]

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Drew, I'll start and then if Paul wants to add to it. What I think is most important to know is we [solve] [to total revenue. And there's multiple levers that come into that being rate and occupancy, and we don't solve to any of those. What we're really focused on is how we have avoided turns, less vacancy loss and residents staying with us longer. And so as you think about the 2020 plan, what the pieces are and exactly how we'll do it is something that I wouldn't specify right at this moment. Paul, anything you want to add to that?

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Paul L. Beldin, Apartment Investment and Management Company [49]

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I think that's exactly right, Keith. We'll provide a little bit of additional detail when we do issue formal guidance in January. But it is a lever. And so it's a balancing act. And what -- our goal is to not to maximize rate or not to maximize occupancy, but to maximize revenue and in turn NOI.

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Operator [50]

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And the next question today comes from Hardik Goel of Zelman & Associates.

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Hardik Goel, Zelman & Associates LLC - VP of Research [51]

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Just a quick one on guidance here. As I look at your guidance, it appears that you guys have set up to maybe come in a little bit above what you put out there, at least at the midpoint. And then it looks like that'll set you up to maybe increase your 2020 outlook as well. Any reason why that would not be the case. I know you addressed something similar earlier, but just want to bring you back on that.

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Paul L. Beldin, Apartment Investment and Management Company [52]

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Yes, you bet, Hardik, this is Paul. As far as it relates to 2019, entering the earnings release season, we already had a pretty narrow range around revenue for the full year. And we're very comfortable within the midpoint to the higher end of that range. And then as we look out to 2020. We feel good about what we published, and we'll provide more details in January.

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Hardik Goel, Zelman & Associates LLC - VP of Research [53]

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Sure. Maybe I can sneak in another one and ask it a different way. If you look to the high end of your 2020 guidance and the low end of your 2020 guidance, what would say the probabilities are for those?

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Paul L. Beldin, Apartment Investment and Management Company [54]

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Hardik, I guess I'd have 2 reactions. One, I'd caution you against calling it guidance, it was an outlook. And when we issue guidance, we'll have more than likely to not range a little bit wider than what we published in the outlook. So that'll provide both upside opportunities. We see the business and also allow for some downside risk if the business environment is different in 2020 than what we currently anticipate.

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Operator [55]

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Our next question today comes from Rich Anderson of SMBC.

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Richard Charles Anderson, SMBC Nikko Securities Inc., Research Division - Research Analyst [56]

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Maybe following up on that last question. If you were to -- assuming that this business is all about expectations and performing relative to those expectations. Beating guidance is a good thing for a stock market perspective. I'm curious like when you look at all the different elements of the 2020 preliminary outlook, where you see the best potential of outperformance, is it on the revenue line, the expense line, perhaps not because that's pretty tight number or on the leverage line. Just curious, assuming you've kind of done your homework and then perhaps stepped back a little bit to introduce some conservatism into the perspective where that upside potential might be.

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Paul L. Beldin, Apartment Investment and Management Company [57]

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Rich, I'll start, and we'll see if anybody else has anything to add. What I would say is that we are in the midst of our planning process, we always see a number of opportunities as we go through that. Those are opportunities that we as a team will do our best to execute upon. And they're also cognizant, sometimes there's unknown risks. So we want to build that into the range of expectations as well. So I guess my short answer is if we saw specific opportunities that we were confident in, it would be in our numbers, but stay tuned.

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Richard Charles Anderson, SMBC Nikko Securities Inc., Research Division - Research Analyst [58]

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All right. And then at the beginning of the call, Terry, you said balancing growth and safety, which I think we can all appreciate. But on the safety side, besides older residents, what is particularly safer about Aimco relative to your peers. I know you'll probably say a balance sheet that doesn't expose the enterprise to risk. But you start bleeding assets because of leverage, that's not going to be good for the stock also. So I'm just curious what you think of that's a standout from a safety perspective when you consider Aimco relative to your peers.

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Terry Considine, Apartment Investment and Management Company - Chairman & CEO [59]

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I think the first place I'd start, Rich, is with our market allocation. And if you go back, and I think this is in the 2020 report. And just take our portfolio today and look at the impacts during the global fiscal crisis, we had the lowest exposure, the lowest adverse effect. So just picking the right markets. I think the second most important thing is, as Keith emphasizes again and again, picking the right customers. We have very stringent credit and personnel requirements, and we have more stable people, and they have higher incomes, and they're just less likely to be adversely affected in the downturn.

I'd say a third category that we get a lot of attention by Lisa and Wes and the people that are involved in redevelopment and capital enhancements and so forth, is that the properties are well maintained. We have a high rate of capital spending, keeping them in competitive condition. I think that once you have those factors in mind. And of course, this fantastic success that Keith and his team have in cost control. You have a revenue stream or an income stream that is more stable, more durable. And on the balance sheet side, what we would emphasize most is the long duration and limited refinancing or repricing risk. And on the need for more capital that we rarely start something without having the money in hand to complete it.

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Richard Charles Anderson, SMBC Nikko Securities Inc., Research Division - Research Analyst [60]

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Okay. Great. We'll hopefully we're focused on growth than safety next year. But I appreciate the comments.

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Terry Considine, Apartment Investment and Management Company - Chairman & CEO [61]

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Well, Rich, let me just go back to it. We do talk about safety regularly at Aimco. It's -- which is built into our DNA. If you think about it from an allocation, to B assets, to geographic diversification, we're highly focused on safety. But that said, we also are interested in growth. And our forecast for 2020 is just what Paul said, we're pretty upbeat about it.

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Operator [62]

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Our next question comes from Haendel St. Juste of Mizuho.

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Haendel Emmanuel St. Juste, Mizuho Securities USA LLC, Research Division - MD of Americas Research & Senior Equity Research Analyst [63]

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I want to go back to the plan to lower the leverage here. A bit of, I guess, a nice surprise. Terry, I've followed the story for a long time. And historically, you've been willing to carry higher leverage versus your peers. In fact, it's one of the long-running differentiators and probably this is while it's long term, fixed rate, nonrecourse self-amortizing. So I guess I'm curious why the change in thinking here? And then perhaps, would you go even lower than mid-6 to maybe the low 5s, like where some of your peers are.

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Terry Considine, Apartment Investment and Management Company - Chairman & CEO [64]

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Haendel, I thank you the -- our views on debt very well. You recited them exactly right. We think, and both credit agencies and some analysts in effect, reduced -- they gave us a 10% benefit, if you will, reflecting those features. So first of all, we would say on analysis of the actual burden of the debt, just a nominal comparison overstates the risks to the business. Secondly, there hasn't been any change at all. What Paul has talked about is returning to our policy targets. We had a moment when we came out of policy, a combination of redevelopment spending and also taking advantage of interest rates at a time when loans were open. And so we're a little bit higher than we want to be today, but we'll be down by 0.5 turn at year-end, and we'll be right in the mid-6s at the end of next year. And that's a place where we're comfortable being.

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Haendel Emmanuel St. Juste, Mizuho Securities USA LLC, Research Division - MD of Americas Research & Senior Equity Research Analyst [65]

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Okay. Fair enough. Appreciate that. And then just going back to the business overall, you've done quite a bit here over the last few years, you've sold your asset management, the tax credit business, you're -- I guess you're going to be lowering your leverage here. I guess what else is on your mind, any other key initiatives that you or perhaps the Board are considering as you think about Aimco today versus Aimco, where you want to be, say, over the next 3 to 5 years?

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Terry Considine, Apartment Investment and Management Company - Chairman & CEO [66]

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I think there's a lot of things on our mind always. And we did just have a Board meeting where we talked about different strategic opportunities and issues. But they all come back to the same focus on the multifamily business and the same focus that the road to success is through satisfying the customer. And -- whether or not we increases this in one way or emphasize it in a different way. That's the heart of what we do.

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Operator [67]

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Our next question today -- apologies, (Operator Instructions) Today's next question comes from John Pawlowski of Green Street Advisors.

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John Joseph Pawlowski, Green Street Advisors, LLC, Research Division - Analyst [68]

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Wes, thanks for the comments on Yacht Club and Brickell Bay Drive and the thoughts there. I just want to make sure I understand the most likely playbook for both properties right now. Am I interpreting it correctly that right now as you see it today, the most likely scenario is that you sell both the Yacht Club and then 1001 Brickell Bay Drive?

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Wesley William Powell, Apartment Investment and Management Company - EVP of Redevelopment [69]

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John, thanks. I think that's exactly right. I think at the right price that is surely the best risk-adjusted return for us, and that's an execution we would do. And it's important to note that we like our optionality there and that we can run these assets over the next year or a few years until that pricing materializes.

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John Joseph Pawlowski, Green Street Advisors, LLC, Research Division - Analyst [70]

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Sure. And under that most likely scenario, what would Aimco's financial commitment be? Is it 0? Is it outright sale? Or are you a partner in that most likely scenario?

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Wesley William Powell, Apartment Investment and Management Company - EVP of Redevelopment [71]

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At an outright sale, it would be 0. We'd have cash coming in. But again, the option for us to participate in some future development would be based on what the plan is going to be, and that's uncertain. And I think it's important to underscore that I don't see any circumstance where we participate in the development process itself.

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John Joseph Pawlowski, Green Street Advisors, LLC, Research Division - Analyst [72]

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Okay. And then maybe last one, maybe a bit of color on -- if you put yourself in the buyer's shoes of that mixed-use development, maybe stepping into, call it, $170 million office building. So what is the mix of condos, hotels, apartments from your lens? I'm sure you've done the math because that's your exit. What does the mix of units have to look like for a buyer's cost basis to pencil because it is an extensive rehab? A little bit of color there would be awesome.

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Wesley William Powell, Apartment Investment and Management Company - EVP of Redevelopment [73]

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Sure. What I'd say, well, first off, again, we added value by putting the 2 pieces together. So it's not just the 1001 site but the Yacht Club side. And then what I would say is it all depends. And I have no idea what the future holds other than there's going to be a mix of uses. I don't know what the balance would be, I have no idea how condos will price in the future versus offices or apartments. But we think long term waterfront property in Brickell is going to be worth more than it is today.

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John Joseph Pawlowski, Green Street Advisors, LLC, Research Division - Analyst [74]

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I guess, the [fun] question is you cut $160 million check, you need to do some even if it's back of an envelope math to make sure an exit under today's pricing pencils. So I'm just trying to understand what the math is going to look like for a potential buyer of the site.

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Wesley William Powell, Apartment Investment and Management Company - EVP of Redevelopment [75]

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John, I'm happy to give you some numbers. But again, they'd be guesses at this point. And we have done the math. And again, you could assume that $1,000 condo prices. You can assume $3.75 or $4 rents, you could assume $60 office leases. And all of those would put the value of the land at very close, if not above what we bought the building for. But again, I think it's premature to try and pin down a number today.

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Operator [76]

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And our next question is from Buck Horne of Raymond James.

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Buck Horne, Raymond James & Associates, Inc., Research Division - SVP of Equity Research [77]

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Just going back to some operational stuff. Could you put a little color on the 10% year-over-year bump in property taxes -- the same-store property taxes this quarter? And just what your outlook is for any tax issues for next quarter or 2020.

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Paul L. Beldin, Apartment Investment and Management Company [78]

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Yes. Buck, this is Paul. As you know, real estate taxes can be very volatile, particularly when you're looking at year-over-year changes in a particular quarter because that year-over-year change is highly dependent upon timing of appeals being resolved, timing of assessments being received. So I really encourage you to look at a full year trend. And for '19, we do expect property taxes to be a little bit higher than what our long-term trend has been and probably in the mid-6s and the reason for that is a couple fold. One, you have some jurisdictions such as Colorado, where they increase biannually every other year on the odd year.

And then in other jurisdictions, we've had the very good fortune of having our values of our properties, the JVs increase quite rapidly. And in some instances, the assessors have been a little bit slow to recognize that increase in value. So we were aware that there was some potential that a catch-up could occur. And so the fact that it has come through in third quarter is not unexpected and built-in within the construct of our guidance for the year. As we look out into 2020, we expect a more normalized tax rate. And probably, if I were to put a number on it at this point, it'd be in the 4% to 4.5% to 5% range.

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Buck Horne, Raymond James & Associates, Inc., Research Division - SVP of Equity Research [79]

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Okay. That's very helpful. And real quick on Flamingo Point with the retail and amenity delivering later this year. Is there any material income or any income that would start to flow through from that being finished up this year going into next year?

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Wesley William Powell, Apartment Investment and Management Company - EVP of Redevelopment [80]

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It's Wes, I'll take that one. I would say no material impact on this year. But we expect to start to see a little bit of lift next year in 2020.

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Buck Horne, Raymond James & Associates, Inc., Research Division - SVP of Equity Research [81]

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Okay. Any rough idea what kind of number that would be? Immaterial?

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Wesley William Powell, Apartment Investment and Management Company - EVP of Redevelopment [82]

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I think in the grand scheme of things and the overall project immaterial. But offline, happy to give you some more color on it.

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Paul L. Beldin, Apartment Investment and Management Company [83]

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The gross incremental -- Buck, this is Paul, I just said the gross incremental contribution is about $600,000, and it'll partially earn in next year.

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Buck Horne, Raymond James & Associates, Inc., Research Division - SVP of Equity Research [84]

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Awesome. And just one real -- last quick one. In California, any assets that'd be impacted operationally from the active wildfires going on. There's another one just popped up as well. So just anything, any properties being impacted at all?

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Keith M. Kimmel, Apartment Investment and Management Company - EVP of Property Operations [85]

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Buck, it's Keith, I'll take that one. And we've had a couple of situations where it has been impactful. 1.5 weeks ago in Northern California we had 3 communities which had lost power. And this is where when we talk about our customer service, we just think is really valuable. We had generators on hand immediately, common area lighting back on. And really how we can impact our residents to be there for them in a time of uncertainty that has occurred with those fires.

This past week, we had another building in Simi Valley, which is in Los Angeles. It lost power for a couple of days. Exact same game plan. We had generators on site, ready to help our residents. We think while this is an unfortunate thing and a challenge that has been in California for some time with buyers and different things. Our ability to insert ourselves as someone that has a unique living experience, how we can help our residents is powerful. I also just want to thank our teams in the field who were working day and night to make sure that our residents had the smoothest of situations under a trying time.

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Operator [86]

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And ladies and gentlemen, this concludes our question-and-answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to Terry Considine for any final remarks.

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Terry Considine, Apartment Investment and Management Company - Chairman & CEO [87]

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Rocko, thank you for your help one more time. And thank all of you on the call for your interest in Aimco. Paul and I look forward to seeing you in Los Angeles in 10 days or so. And wish you a happy weekend. Thank you.

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Operator [88]

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And thank you, sir. Today's conference has now concluded. Thank you all for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.