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Edited Transcript of AMRK earnings conference call or presentation 11-Feb-19 9:30pm GMT

Q2 2019 A-Mark Precious Metals Inc Earnings Call

EL SEGUNDO Feb 13, 2019 (Thomson StreetEvents) -- Edited Transcript of A-Mark Precious Metals Inc earnings conference call or presentation Monday, February 11, 2019 at 9:30:00pm GMT

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Corporate Participants

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* Cary Dickson

A-Mark Precious Metals, Inc. - Executive VP & CFO

* Gregory N. Roberts

A-Mark Precious Metals, Inc. - CEO & Director

* Thor G. Gjerdrum

A-Mark Precious Metals, Inc. - President

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Conference Call Participants

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* Joichi Sakai

Singular Research, LLC - Equity Research Analyst

* Mitchell Almy

* Sarkis Sherbetchyan

B. Riley FBR, Inc., Research Division - Associate Analyst

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Presentation

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Operator [1]

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Good afternoon, and welcome to A-Mark Precious Metals' Conference Call for the fiscal second quarter 2019 ended December 31, 2018. My name is Jeremy, and I will be your operator this afternoon.

Before this call, A-Mark issued its results for the fiscal second quarter of 2019 in a press release, which is available in the Investor Relations section of the company's website at www.amark.com. You can find the link to the Investor Relations section at the top of the home page.

Joining us for today's call are A-Mark's CEO, Greg Roberts; President, Thor Gjerdrum; and CFO, Cary Dickson. Following their remarks, we will open the call to your questions. Then, before we conclude the call, I'll provide the necessary cautions regarding the forward-looking statements made by management during this call.

I would like to remind everyone that this call is being recorded and will be made available for replay via a link available in the Investor Relations section of A-Mark's website. Now I would like to turn the call over to A-Mark's CEO, Mr. Greg Roberts. Sir, please proceed.

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Gregory N. Roberts, A-Mark Precious Metals, Inc. - CEO & Director [2]

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Thank you, Jeremy, and welcome, everyone. Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us. In the second quarter, we saw a continuation of the momentum we experienced in Q1, resulting in another solid quarter for A-Mark. These results were driven in part by the favorable market conditions in the precious metals market, where we saw continued price volatility, which produced higher demand and supply constraints. In fact, the number of silver ounces we sold in the quarter was up 10% sequentially and 68% year-over-year to over 20 million ounces, our highest level in nearly 2 years.

A-Mark's vertically-integrated structure and especially our minting capabilities through SilverTowne Mint gave us a key and sustainable competitive advantage by enabling us to meet the surge in demand. I'll talk more about our business segments, operational highlights and outlook in a bit. But first, I'd like to invite our CFO, Cary Dickson, to walk us through the financial details for the quarter and first 6 months of the year. Then our President, Thor Gjerdrum, will review our key performance metrics. And finally, I will come back on to provide an update on our execution of strategy in each of our business segments as well as discuss our strategic initiatives and outlook for the rest of fiscal 2019. Cary, take it away.

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Cary Dickson, A-Mark Precious Metals, Inc. - Executive VP & CFO [3]

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Thank you, Greg, and good afternoon, everyone. Turning to our financial results for the fiscal second quarter and the first 6 months dated December 31, 2018. Our revenues for the fiscal Q2 2019 decreased 35% to $1.1 billion from $1.68 billion in the same year-ago quarter. For the 6 -- first 6 months of the year, our revenues decreased 31% to $2.67 billion from $3.84 billion in the same period last year. The decrease for both the fiscal second quarter and the first 6 months of 2019 was mainly due to lower forward sales and lower gold and silver prices, which were offset by an increase in the total amount of gold and silver ounces sold. Gross profit for the fiscal second quarter of 2019 decreased 7% to $8.3 million or 0.6% (sic) [0.8%] of revenue from $8.9 million or 0.53% of revenue in Q2 of last year.

For the first 6-month period, our gross profit increased 4% to $16.8 million or 0.63% revenue from $16.2 million or 0.42% of revenue in the same year-ago period. The decrease in gross profit for the second quarter of 2019 compared to Q2 of last year was primarily related to lower trading profits of our Wholesale Trading & Ancillary Services segment and decreased gross profit from our Direct Sales segment.

The increase in gross profit for the 6-month period was primarily due to improved gross profit of our Wholesale Trading & Ancillary segment, offset by some lower trading profits and gross profit from our Direct Sales segment.

Turning to our expenses. Selling, general and administrative expenses for the fiscal year quarter of 2019 decreased 13% to 18 -- or $8.1 million from $9.3 million in Q2 of last year. The decrease was primarily related to lower operating expenses incurred by our Direct Sales segment of $1.5 million and a reduction of $0.5 million of legal expenses and investigatory acquisition costs. These reductions were off -- partially offset by higher overall compensation cost of $0.6 million. For the first 6 months of 2019, SG&A decreased 3% to $15.8 million from $16.3 million in the same year-ago period. The decrease was primarily related to lower operating expenses incurred by our Direct Sales segment of $0.6 million and a reduction of $0.9 million of legal and investigatory acquisition costs. The reductions were partially offset by overall increased compensation costs of $1.2 million.

For the second quarter of 2019, our interest income increased 42% to $4.7 million from $3.3 million in the same year-ago quarter. For the 6-month period ended December 31, 2018, our interest income increased 43% to $9.2 million from $6.4 million in the same year-ago period. The increase in interest income in the second quarter of 2019 was driven primarily by other finance product income, including finance fees earned to -- related to repurchase agreements with customers, which increased by $0.8 million compared to the same year-ago period.

The increase in interest income during the 6-month period was driven primarily by other finance product income, including finance fees related to repurchase agreements with customers, which increased $1.7 million compared to the same year-ago period. The increase was also driven by higher interest rates and an increase in the weighted average value of the company's secured loan portfolio.

Interest income earned from the secured loan portfolio increased by $0.4 million compared to the same year-ago period. Interest expense for fiscal Q2 2019 increased 39% to $4.7 million from $3.4 million in the same year-ago quarter. For the first 6 months, interest expense increased 35% to $8.2 million from $6.1 million in the same year-ago period. The increase for both periods was primarily due to the newly issued notes payable related to our Secured Lending segment and an increase in liability on borrowed metals, partially offset by reductions in liabilities from our Trading Credit Facility and product financing arrangements.

Net income for fiscal second quarter of 2019 totaled $0.6 million or $0.08 per diluted share. This compares to a net loss of $0.2 million or minus $0.03 per share -- per diluted share in the same year-ago quarter. For the 6-month period, our net income totaled $2.1 million or $0.29 per diluted share as compared to net income of $0.3 million or 0.04% diluted share (sic) [$0.04 per diluted share] for the same year-ago period.

On a reportable segment basis for the fiscal second quarter of 2019, our Direct Sales segment had a $0.9 million pretax loss, our Secured Lending segment had a pretax profit of $0.4 million, while our Wholesale Trading & Ancillary Services segment had a $1.4 million pretax profit.

For the 6-month period, our Direct Sales segment had a $2.1 million pretax loss, our Secured Lending segment had a pretax profit of $1.1 million, while our Wholesale Trading & Ancillary Services segment had a $3.9 million pretax profit.

Shifting gears to our balance sheet. At quarter-end, we had $11.8 million of cash compared to $6.3 million at the end of fiscal year 2018. Our tangible net worth at the end of fiscal Q2 totaled $56.6 million, which compares to $53.4 million at the end of fiscal 2018.

This completes my financial summary. Now I will turn the call over to Thor, who'll provide an update on our key performance metrics. Thor?

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Thor G. Gjerdrum, A-Mark Precious Metals, Inc. - President [4]

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Thank you, Cary. Turning to our key operational metrics for the fiscal second quarter of 2019. We sold 440,000 ounces of gold during the quarter, which was down 18% from the prior quarter, but up 17% from fiscal Q2 of last year.

Turning to silver. As Greg mentioned, we sold 20 million ounces, which was up 10% from the prior quarter and up 68% from Q2 of last year.

Looking at our second metric. Wholesale Trading ticket volume increased 3% to 33,007 tickets from the prior quarter and increased 9% from Q2 of last year.

The third key metric we evaluate is inventory turnover, defined as the cost of sales during the period divided by the average inventory during the period. Our inventory turnover ratio for the second quarter was 3.9, which is down from 5.5 in the prior quarter and from 5.2 in Q2 of last year.

And finally, the number of secured loans at the end of the quarter totaled 1,931, which is up 13% from the prior quarter but down 32% from Q2 of last year. This year-over-year decrease was due to lower metal prices in the first quarter of fiscal 2019, which lowered the customers' collateral value leading to loans being liquidated.

As of December 31, 2018, the dollar value of our CFC loan portfolio totaled $104.8 million, which was up 28% from prior quarter and 8% year-over-year.

That concludes my prepared remarks. I now turn it back over to Greg to talk about our progress we've been making -- the progress we've been making on our key operational initiatives. Greg?

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Gregory N. Roberts, A-Mark Precious Metals, Inc. - CEO & Director [5]

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Thank you, Thor. In addition to the heightened activity we've experienced in the precious metals market, our financial success in the first half of 2019 was primarily due to higher sales volumes on both gold and silver products and increased finance product income from our Wholesale Trading & Ancillary Services segment and sustained reductions of SG&A expenses at our Direct Sales segment, Goldline, over the prior year period.

In fact, the second quarter marked the most successful quarter for our Direct Sales segment since the quarter we acquired Goldline. The positive market conditions have translated to improved customer demand, including strong sell-through of some of the new products we've introduced, like the Maple Flex.

In addition, during Q2, we paid off the Goldline Credit Facility, which we had used to finance the Goldline acquisition and was our highest interest rate debt instrument.

In our Secured Lending segment, we saw the number of loans outstanding grow 13% sequentially to 1,931 at quarter-end, helping drive the overall value of our finance book to nearly $105 million.

We are optimistic about our profit -- prospects for CFC, especially given the subsidiaries' robust access to capital through our $100 million ABS. We are actively growing our finance portfolio and working to introduce new and innovative products, which will benefit A-Mark through revenue diversification and the interest income that CFC provides.

Shifting gears to our principal investments, which is comprised of majority and minority investments in leading privately held entities, including retail and Internet distributors as well as the SilverTowne Mint. These investments provide us with incremental higher-margin revenue as well as enhance our capabilities and reach throughout the industry.

As you might imagine, we track and monitor our return on these investments very closely. We will look to increase our principal investments in these -- in those areas that are performing well and are aligned with our long-term strategic plan. Our largest principal investment, SilverTowne Mint, which we currently have a 69% ownership stake in, continued to perform well in Q2 with increased outturn and serves as a key differentiator and strategic advantage for A-Mark. The capital investments we've made in the mint over the last 6 months continue to improve production efficiency.

On top of this, we are ramping up production to a third shift to meet increased demand, which will increase our production per month to more than 1 million ounces. Additionally, SilverTowne's new silver bullet product line continues to be well received.

Going forward, we will continue to focus our efforts at the mint on initiatives that drive growth and profitability through new licenses, marketing initiatives and special product offerings as well as any capital improvements that enhance our position in the marketplace. Overall, our principal investments are performing well, which is why we are continuing to proactively pursue additional acquisitions or strategic investments in complementary businesses that are additive to A-Mark.

Our investments are aligned with our strategy of building our company's capacity, extending our capabilities, strengthening our distribution and enhancing our profitability. As we look forward over the next 18 months, 2 key initiatives for our organization are enhancing organizational efficiencies and technology innovation. The successful implementation of these initiatives will produce not only a more effective and streamlined organization, but also one that enhances the customer experience. Through the development and launch of new customer-facing technology tools and services, our goal is to further differentiate ourselves from our competition. We place a high value on attracting and retaining talent, experienced and dedicated individuals to A-Mark.

Along that line, in December, we appointed Chris Hårte to the new position of Vice President of Logistics at A-Mark Global Logistics. After graduating with a Master of Science in mechanical engineering with a focus on engineering logistics, Chris has spent his entire career in the logistics and supply chain field. Chris has already made a meaningful impact at AMG by reducing costs, improving key performance metrics and targeting new customers. Another key hire we have made in Q2 is our new Chief Information and Digital Transformation Officer, Armik Zakian who joined us last month. Over the last 25 years, Armik has worked with leading organizations, such as AT&T, DIRECTV, EMI Music, Sony Pictures and Transamerica to enhance business value through technology and data.

As A-Mark's new CIO, she is focused on developing innovative customer-facing solutions to further automate, improve and enhance the entire customer service at A-Mark, all of which will better align our platform with a trend towards convenience, self-service and secure mobility. In summary, we have been systematically building and diversifying our platform and products and services so that it provides even more predictable sources of income, regardless of market environment. Today, A-Mark has one of the largest customer bases in each of our markets and provides one of the most comprehensive offerings in the industry. We will continue to pursue strategic activities and expand our platform, reach and capabilities to better capitalize on what we believe to be significant market opportunities.

We've seen a 3% increase in both gold and silver prices since the end of December. Volatility continues to increase and demand for A-Mark physical products remains robust in the first month of Q3. Moreover, the price of gold has firmly risen above $1,300 per ounce in January for the first time in over 6 months. We remain cautiously optimistic about our prospects, especially given the macro backdrop and geopolitical environment and will continue to act opportunistically to capitalize on attractive near-term trading opportunities, while strategically scaling our business for long-term success. Now with that, we're ready to open the call for your questions. Operator, please provide the appropriate instructions.

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Questions and Answers

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Operator [1]

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(Operator Instructions) Our first question comes from the line of Sarkis Sherbetchyan from B. Riley FBR.

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Sarkis Sherbetchyan, B. Riley FBR, Inc., Research Division - Associate Analyst [2]

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Just wanted to first touch on the increased volatility that you're kind of seeing in the market and some of the robust demand for the physical products. Maybe can you give us some color on what you're seeing with respect to the spreads currently?

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Gregory N. Roberts, A-Mark Precious Metals, Inc. - CEO & Director [3]

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The spreads particularly in silver products are significantly higher. I would say that taking a product that we know very well, the SilverTowne 1-ounce products, the premium on those products has probably doubled in the last 60 days at the wholesale level. And so that's a significant improvement as well as it helps the P&L dramatically. I would say that the demand has increased as well as one of our competitors at the SilverTowne Mint is no longer with us, they've shut down, and that has caused there to be a bit of a supply constraint. And if you couple that with demand increases, you're going to see a rise in premium. On top of that, the U.S. Mint in December had run out of 2018 dated product in anticipation of 2019 coins coming online the 1st of January, so that added a little bit more stress to the supply chain. And then what we've been talking about for many quarters now is the volatility in the stock market, the uncertainty as it relates to the government being able to run not only efficiently, but being able to manage a budget and keep the government open, that certainly stirred up the appetite of many precious metals buyers to either purchase again or purchase for the first time. So we had a real good combination in the first -- in December and then again in January. And it's translated into a very good environment for us.

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Sarkis Sherbetchyan, B. Riley FBR, Inc., Research Division - Associate Analyst [4]

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Very good. And can you maybe talk a little bit about what you're seeing on your Secured Lending side of the business? It seems like you're maybe ramping up to produce more loans perhaps, just given where the net interest income landed this quarter? Any additional color on that?

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Gregory N. Roberts, A-Mark Precious Metals, Inc. - CEO & Director [5]

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Sure. I think around -- towards the end of the first quarter, we had a fairly significant drop in price in precious metals. If you look back, it was either in August or September. And that had the effect of creating some margin calls in our loan book, which led to some liquidations of metal, which is why you saw a decrease in our loans as well as our overall loan book. I think we've come back from that, and I think we're very close to a new record in our loan book, up in the $105 million range, and that's up from $82 million approximately we dropped to in September of '18. You can also look at the total number of loans that dropped from June, end of Q4 to the end of Q1. We went from 3,500 loans down to about 1,700 loans. We've gotten back a significant portion of them with prices rising back up. And we are -- we made great progress on bringing in a couple of new loan providers in the last 30 days, which, we believe, if not this quarter, next quarter, we should have new loan providers coming online. So we're very, very focused on filling up the ABS facility with new loans and continuing to see new highs as it relates to the overall loan book. So the environment in December and January has been very good in this area and where we see -- we're very positive looking forward.

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Operator [6]

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(Operator Instructions) Our next question comes from the line of Chris Sakai from Singular Research.

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Joichi Sakai, Singular Research, LLC - Equity Research Analyst [7]

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I just had a question mainly regarding your increase in pretax income. I just was wanting to see over the last 6 months, revenue has gone down, but it looks like pretax income has gone up. I just wanted to see what were the main drivers there to that increase? And also to see -- if you could comment on how sustainable are these drivers that are increasing the pretax income?

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Gregory N. Roberts, A-Mark Precious Metals, Inc. - CEO & Director [8]

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Well, I think that as you can see, our margins are up in the first 6 months and the volume has been down as it relates to top line. A lot of that has to do with the mix of futures and forwards in our mix of products. And so we generally encourage people not to look at the top line, but to look at the number of ounces sold as well as our margins. I think that we've talked about before, a big driver has been the premium that we're able to achieve on small silver products, particularly 1-ounce coins and 10-ounce bars. That premium had a major shift in Q2 as I've described and it relates to the drop in price as well as some production issues and some supply problems at other manufacturers of silver products. But I would say that the majority of the increase in margin and the drop in top line really was not significantly related to market conditions. I think our success in pretax was significant as it relates to just higher premiums in silver products as well as, as you can see, we -- when we sell 20 million ounces a quarter, that's really good for us. When we sell 15 million ounces a quarter, it's not good for us. So I think that answered the question, but if not, I can elaborate on anything I missed.

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Operator [9]

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At this time, this concludes our question-and-answer session. And I'd now like to turn the call back over to Mr. Roberts for his closing remarks. Oh, I'm sorry. We did just have one more question come in. Our next question comes from the line of Mitch Almy from Wedbush Securities.

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Mitchell Almy, [10]

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I had a couple of questions. First off, since you have the asset-backed facility in place, are you over time going to break out, I guess, the size of the loan book there and the net interest margin?

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Gregory N. Roberts, A-Mark Precious Metals, Inc. - CEO & Director [11]

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Yes. I think, ultimately, we will get to that point. One of the challenges in that is that we -- that the ABS doesn't reflect the entire portfolio that we have. Not all of the loans that we -- that CFC has on its books right now are eligible for the ABS. The ABS has some specific requirements as it relates to straight bullion loans, for example, so that numismatic loans, which tend to be a little bit higher interest rates aren't eligible for the ABS. The other factor with the ABS is we are also able to put A-Mark inventory into the ABS. So that flexibility we needed addresses times when our loan book may drop because of a drop in price, and we're able to also put inventory in the ABS. Now that may not be the most efficient cost of money to have inventory in there, but it fills the ABS, and it does provide us with some flexibility. In a perfect world, we would have a homogenous type of loan that filled 100% of the ABS. And I think when we get to that point, I think you might see us give a little more detail into how the ABS is performing. I mean -- but right now, it might be a little bit difficult and might actually be a little bit confusing. But I think, we're well on our way to hopefully getting to the point where we can have $100 million of straight vanilla bullion loans in the ABS. And then I would say, we should then look to explain a little bit more of how it's performing.

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Mitchell Almy, [12]

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Sure, sure. Second question, and this ties back to a couple of things you mentioned earlier. Your -- you've been building a platform where you have the lending, you have wholesale trading, you have storage, you have shipping, you've got the manufacturing. And this quarter, I guess, was a pretty good example of what happens, you got lower prices year-over-year, changing demand quarter-to-quarter, revenues way off, gross profit off significantly less. And because you've got so many moving parts at this company compared to most companies and the loan book is up, I guess, I am asking you to give me the hypothetical best quarter that we're going to see out there, so that when we're trying to analyze the company throughout the quarter and we see things happening, we can have some idea which of those things, which of those metrics are positive for A-Mark and which ones will be less than positive? How all the different lines of your top line merge together? What is a peak experience for this company earnings wise?

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Gregory N. Roberts, A-Mark Precious Metals, Inc. - CEO & Director [13]

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I think December was really good for us, and I think January has been pretty good for us. I think that the piece that is really throwing off our numbers continues to be the performance of Goldline. And I think that, that is much, much better than it was a year ago or even 2 quarters ago, 3 quarters ago. I feel very positive and optimistic about where Goldline is today versus just 6 months ago, say, 2 calls ago. A lot of that is everybody's hard work as well as December -- we saw for the first time in December, we saw a lot of volatility in the stock market, we saw the issues with the government shutdown and we saw, for the very first time, that those factors really energized the Goldline customer base. And we saw some numbers and some responses to marketing and advertising that we had not seen in the time we've owned Goldline. So I think, for the first time, we really saw some validation as to what Goldline can do if you had a sustained 6 months or one year or even a few years. But I would say, what we haven't seen yet, to answer your question, is we haven't seen a full quarter of where we had 3 months of all 12 cylinders firing at the same time. But I can tell you that you're going to get some crossover between December and January where we have a quarter split there. But those 2 months were particularly good for us. And now February, what's happened is, you had the price of silver and gold go up, and it's good because it helps our loan portfolio and it helps us write more loans and it helps our interest income, but the market needs to adjust a little bit to -- people want to buy silver at $14 and they want to buy gold at $1,200, but is there enough crisis on the horizon and enough carryover to keep that enthusiasm with gold at $1,300 and silver at $15. That's something we're going to have to see over the next few months. But we definitely -- if you had to tell me what environment would I wish for, I would wish for what happened in December, where there was a major shift in risk off and there was a major push towards safer assets. I think you saw some people actually for the first time talk on TV and in the newspaper that, are we at the end of the cycle? And is the Dow really going to go up another 20% from here? Or is it going to go down 30%? When you hear that and you start to have that uncertainty, and I know, Mitch, you're on the other side of this a little bit, but -- on the equity side, but that kind of fear really drives our business and drives our activity. Did I get there or...

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Mitchell Almy, [14]

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Yes, you did. It's sobering. No. Yes, you did.

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Gregory N. Roberts, A-Mark Precious Metals, Inc. - CEO & Director [15]

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I mean, we're not shy about saying we are a safer countercyclical investment. I mean, we're -- and you can see it. If you go back and look at the last 10 years of A-Mark, we performed better when there's at least a little bit of doubt in other areas of investments.

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Mitchell Almy, [16]

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One final question. Do you have -- now it's been 1.5 year-or-so since you bought SilverTowne. Do you have any...

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Gregory N. Roberts, A-Mark Precious Metals, Inc. - CEO & Director [17]

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Since we bought SilverTowne or Goldline?

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Mitchell Almy, [18]

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SilverTowne.

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Gregory N. Roberts, A-Mark Precious Metals, Inc. - CEO & Director [19]

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Yes, it's probably been 2 years now.

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Mitchell Almy, [20]

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2 years.

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Gregory N. Roberts, A-Mark Precious Metals, Inc. - CEO & Director [21]

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But go ahead.

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Mitchell Almy, [22]

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Since you're planning on making more acquisitions, do you have any sort of metric on an ROI on that investment you can give us at this point?

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Gregory N. Roberts, A-Mark Precious Metals, Inc. - CEO & Director [23]

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I mean, I think that there probably has not been a tremendous ROI to this point. We -- SilverTowne Mint is going to suffer when they are producing. I think the very low that we got at SilverTowne was about 150,000 ounces a week of output. And at 150,000 ounces a week, SilverTowne is going to lose money. I think that it's a -- we look at it as an insurance policy to be prepared when other producers that we buy from aren't able to produce for whatever reason, and we are seeing that this last month and this month in that a number of other suppliers of ours are not producing or producing significantly less. As an example, we're -- on a wholesale level today, we can't deliver SilverTowne product. I think our first delivery date available right now is probably around March 15. So if you're ordering from us today, we will deliver product March 15 from SilverTowne. A number of SilverTowne competitors are further out than that right now, and we have ramped up. As we've said, we've ramped up from 150,000 ounces a week at a low to 300,000 ounces a week we should be producing next week at SilverTowne. And at 300,000 a week, SilverTowne is definitely profitable and that's an ROI that we'd be happy with. So do we get to 400,000 ounces a week and there's still demand and the premiums continue to be where they're at now? We'll see. But as you can imagine, I mean, at the -- I try not to get into specific numbers, but we're probably carrying $0.20 to $0.25 more per ounce in premium today than we were 6 months ago, and that's a significant amount of income at 1 million ounces a month as opposed to 600,000 ounces a month. And if we needed to get to 400,000 ounces a week, we're going to have higher profits. Just to give you -- go back to when we bought it, we believed that SilverTowne can produce about 20 million ounces a year in their current configuration. And if we get up to 300,000 ounces a week, we're at 14 million. So we have about an extra 6 million ounces a year in capacity at that facility without expanding it. Now obviously, when you go up from where we're at today, you have more employee costs, you have more electricity, you have more overtime, you're not -- it's not a full benefit, but that gives you an idea maybe of some of the numbers we're looking at every week and trying to determine where the sweet spot is. Obviously, if the demand's there and the premium stays up, we want to slowly increase supply and increase production without committing ourselves to higher production if demand was to drop off. So we manage this every week, we talk about it many times a week. We believe that we have a good plan right now on balancing between too much supply and not enough supply. And as premiums are stable at these levels or if they were to even increase, you're going to see that segment outperform as well as it trickles down to our trading and our coin and bar, which are also able to carry a little wider spread because they're the only traders in the marketplace with available product, albeit a slight delay.

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Operator [24]

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(Operator Instructions) At this time, this concludes our question-and-answer session. I'd now like to turn the call back over to Mr. Roberts for his closing remarks.

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Gregory N. Roberts, A-Mark Precious Metals, Inc. - CEO & Director [25]

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Thank you for joining us today. We appreciate the continued support, and we look forward to giving you more updated information on our next call. And I think that does it. Jeremy?

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Operator [26]

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Before we conclude today's call, I would like to provide A-Mark's safe harbor statement that includes important cautions regarding forward-looking statements made during this call. During today's call, there were forward-looking statements made regarding future events. Statements that relate A-Mark's future plans, objectives, expectations, performance, events and the like are forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 and the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. Future events, risks and uncertainties, individually or in the aggregate, could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied in these statements. Factors that could cause actual results to differ, include the following: the failure to execute the company's growth strategy as planned; greater-than-anticipated costs incurred to execute the strategy; changes in the current domestic and international political climate; increased competition for A-Mark's higher-margin services, which could depress pricing; the failure of the company's business model to respond to changes in the market environment as anticipated; general risks of doing business in the commodity markets; and other business, economic, financial and governmental risks as described in the company's public filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The words should, believe, estimate, expect, intend, anticipate, foresee, plan and similar expressions and variations thereof identify certain of such forward-looking statements, which speak only as of the dates on which they were made. Additionally, any statements related to future improved performance and estimates of revenues and earnings per share are forward-looking statements. The company undertakes no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements. Readers are cautioned not to place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements.

Finally, I would like to remind everyone that a recording of today's call will be available for replay via a link in the Investors section of the company's website.

Thank you for joining us today for A-Mark's Fiscal Second Quarter of 2019 Earnings Call. You may now disconnect.