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Edited Transcript of AMSC earnings conference call or presentation 6-Jun-19 2:00pm GMT

Q4 2018 American Superconductor Corp Earnings Call

WORCESTER Jun 8, 2019 (Thomson StreetEvents) -- Edited Transcript of American Superconductor Corp earnings conference call or presentation Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 2:00:00pm GMT

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Corporate Participants

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* Daniel Patrick McGahn

American Superconductor Corporation - Chairman, President & CEO

* John W. Kosiba

American Superconductor Corporation - CFO, Senior VP & Treasurer

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Conference Call Participants

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* Colin William Rusch

Oppenheimer & Co. Inc., Research Division - MD and Senior Analyst

* Eric Andrew Stine

Craig-Hallum Capital Group LLC, Research Division - Senior Research Analyst

* Philip Shen

Roth Capital Partners, LLC, Research Division - MD & Senior Research Analyst

* Sanjay M. Hurry

LHA Investor Relations - VP

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Presentation

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Operator [1]

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Welcome to the AMSC Fourth Quarter Fiscal 2018 Earnings Conference Call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. Sanjay Hurry, the LHA Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.

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Sanjay M. Hurry, LHA Investor Relations - VP [2]

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Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to AMSC's Fourth Quarter and Full Fiscal Year 2018 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Sanjay Hurry of LHA Investor Relations, AMSC's IR agency of record. With us on the call today are Daniel McGahn, Chairman, President and CEO; and John Kosiba, Senior Vice President and CFO.

AMSC issued its earnings release for the fourth quarter and fiscal full year 2018 yesterday after the market closed. For those of you who have not yet seen the release, a copy is available in the Investors page of the company's website at www.amsc.com.

Before starting the call, I'd like to remind you that various remarks that management may make during today’s call about AMSC's future expectations, plans and prospects constitute forward-looking statements for the purposes of the safe harbor provisions under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.

Actual results may differ materially from those indicated by such forward-looking statement as a result of various important factors, including those set forth in the Risk Factors section of the company's annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended March 31, 2019, that was filed with the SEC, other reports that the company has filed with the SEC and the factors outlined in the fourth quarter and fiscal full year 2018 earnings press release.

These forward-looking statements represent management expectations only as of today and should not be relied upon as representing management's views as of any date subsequent to today. While AMSC anticipates that subsequent events and developments may cause the company's views to change, the company specifically disclaims any obligation to update these forward-looking statements.

Also, on today's call, management will refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures, non-GAAP net loss or income and non-GAAP operating cash flow. Non-GAAP net loss or income is defined as net loss or net income before gain on sale of minority investments, gain on the Chinese settlement, net stock-based compensation, amortization of acquisition-related intangibles, consumption of zero-cost basis inventory, change in fair value of warrants and contingent consideration, noncash interest expense and the tax effect of adjustments. Non-GAAP operating cash flow is defined as operating cash flow before the gain on our settlements net of legal fees and expenses, the tax effect of the settlements net of the other unusual cash flow or items.

The company believes that these non-GAAP measures assist management and investors to compare results of operations in the current period to prior period results on a consistent basis by excluding these noncash, nonrecurring or other charges, and it does not believe are indicative of the company's core performing -- core operating performance.

A reconciliation of the non-GAAP to GAAP measures can be found in the fourth quarter and fiscal full year 2018 earnings press release issued and furnished to the SEC on Form 8-K and on Form 10-K for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2019.

With that, I'd like to turn the call over the Chairman and President and CEO, Daniel McGahn. Daniel?

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Daniel Patrick McGahn, American Superconductor Corporation - Chairman, President & CEO [3]

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Thanks, Sanjay, and good morning, everyone. I will begin today with a recap of fiscal 2018, which ended March 31, 2019. John Kosiba will then provide a detailed review of our financial results for the fourth quarter and the full fiscal year 2018. He will also provide guidance for the first quarter fiscal 2019, which will end June 30, 2019. Following our remarks, we'll open up the line to questions from our covering analysts.

We're pleased to report strong operational improvement for fiscal 2018. Full year revenues increased 16% year-over-year driven by growth in both our Grid and Wind segments. Our move to a smaller footprint in Massachusetts, our diversification of our Grid business and our work to stabilize our Wind business have resulted in cost savings and improved gross margins in fiscal 2018.

During the fiscal year, we reached a settlement agreement that secured a crucial win in the ongoing battle to protect American intellectual property globally. Having closed this chapter in our history, we look forward to growing AMSC from a position of financial and operational strength.

We generated positive operating cash flow in 2 of 4 quarters in fiscal 2018 and ended the year with a cash balance over $78 million and no debt. We finished the fiscal year with a strong balance sheet and the resources and flexibility expected to support our long-term growth strategy.

We believe we are well positioned for sustained revenue growth driven by our proprietary smart material and smart software in our key markets and in new larger markets. Fiscal 2018 reflects the continued successful execution of our multiyear plan to shift AMSC's strategic direction and establish what we expect to be a more predictable reoccurring business.

Our strategy is working. In fiscal 2018, we grew and diversified our Grid business. Our D-VAR product recorded a fifth year of consecutive revenue growth. We began placing commercial units of our Volt/VAR Optimizer in multiple U.S. utilities. We received orders for 2 Ship Protection Systems for the U.S. Navy. And we agreed with Commonwealth Edison to deploy a Resilient Electric Grid system in Chicago.

During fiscal 2018, our D-VAR team performed again, not only did D-VAR sales recorded a fifth year of consecutive revenue growth but we also concluded the year with a record backlog of D-VAR projects to execute on in fiscal 2019.

We are connecting wind farms to the transmission grid across the world. We are growing our presence in the distribution grid market as well as providing clean, reliable power to industrial facilities domestically and abroad with our D-VAR solution. Our growing list of repeat customers is a testament to the quality and performance of AMSC's products and to AMSC's team.

The introduction of our Volt/VAR Optimizer, or VVO, solution brings enhancements and reliability to the electric distribution grid, which is experiencing increased use of renewables and distributed generation. We believe our VVO solution expands our addressable market significantly. We began placing commercial units with multiple U.S. utilities during fiscal 2018, and we expect to expand VVO sales in fiscal 2019.

Our Ship Protection System, or SPS, is now the Navy's baseline degaussing system for the San Antonio Class platform, LPD. The Navy's goal is to have our advanced HTS-based degaussing system designed into additional vessel platforms, and we are aggressively working to that end. In fiscal 2019, we expect to establish our manufacturing and product delivery capabilities for our current SPS orders. We are anticipating additional SPS orders for the San Antonio Class.

Our Resilient Electric Grid, or REG, business moved forward in fiscal 2018. REG was chosen by the Commonwealth Edison Company of Chicago, ComEd, and is expected to become a permanent part of Chicago's power grid. Pending approval of the DHS contract modification, we intend to begin manufacturing of the first REG system for ComEd. We are also developing opportunities to deploy our REG product in a number of other utilities across the country. We are working closely with utilities to deploy our REG solution in many other cities.

In fiscal 2018, we grew our Wind business revenues as a result of improved electrical control system shipments to Inox and secured orders to bring the latest wind turbine designs to Asian markets. We are starting a new chapter with Inox Wind in India as we work together to bring a new, high-performance 3-megawatt class wind turbine to the Indian wind market.

Inox first licensed our 2-megawatt wind turbine design for the Indian market over 10 years ago. Since that time, we have generated over $200 million in revenue as a preferred partner to Inox Wind. Our license agreement for a 3-megawatt class turbine design signaled a continued strong partnership with Inox. In fact, Inox announced they are working on orders from 2 developers for the installation of approximately 160 units of the new 3-megawatt class turbine for projects won in the SECI auctions. We are prepared to support Inox as they work to expand their product offering and enhance their competitive position in the Indian Wind market.

But we're not stopping there, we're designing even larger wind turbines. We're focused on expanding our addressable market to additional offshore applications. We expect our 5-megawatt class wind turbine to enter the offshore market in fiscal 2019 with our Korean partner, Doosan Heavy Industries. Our 5-megawatt class offshore turbine design is expected to be our most-efficient, highest-performance wind turbine to date, driving down the levelized cost of wind energy for our partners. We believe Korea as well as Southeast Asia are geographies well suited for our 5-megawatt class wind turbine.

Now I'll turn the call over to John Kosiba to review our financial results for the fourth quarter and full fiscal year 2018 and provide guidance for the first fiscal quarter of fiscal 2019, which will end June 30, 2019. John?

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John W. Kosiba, American Superconductor Corporation - CFO, Senior VP & Treasurer [4]

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Thanks, Daniel, and good morning, everyone. AMSC generated revenues of $14.6 million for the fourth quarter of fiscal 2018 compared to $13.5 million in the year ago quarter. Wind business revenues of $3.6 million decreased by 5% versus the year ago quarter. Grid business revenues of $11 million increased by 13% versus the year ago quarter.

Moving on to recap fiscal 2018. Revenues grew by 16% to $56.2 million. This is up from $48.4 million in fiscal year 2017. Wind business revenues increased by 53% in fiscal 2018 primarily as a result of improved Electrical Control System shipments for Inox. Yet even with the year-over-year growth in Wind revenue, our Grid business unit accounted for 61% of total revenues and marked the fourth consecutive year of revenue growth for Grid.

Gross margin for the fourth quarter of fiscal 2018 was 19% compared to 22% in the year ago quarter. And for fiscal 2018, gross margins increased 17 basis points to 25%. This is up from 8% in fiscal year 2017. The year-on-year improvement in gross margin was driven primarily by strong Grid product margins as a result of a favorable revenue mix, less depreciation and reduced fixed factory overhead associated with our move to a smaller footprint Grid factory in the U.S.

Research and development and SG&A expenses totaled $8 million in the fourth quarter of fiscal 2018. This was down from $8.5 million in the year ago quarter. For fiscal year 2018, research and development and SG&A expenses decreased by 7% to $31.9 million. This is down from $34.2 million in fiscal year 2017. The year-over-year decrease was driven primarily by reduced research and development expenses in both our Wind and Grid business units. Approximately 16% of R&D and SG&A expenses in the fourth quarter and full fiscal year, respectively, were noncash.

Included in operating expenses in fiscal 2018 was a $52.7 million gain net of legal and other direct costs, reflecting the cash payments received from the Chinese settlement. Our net loss in the fourth quarter of fiscal 2018 was $8.4 million or $0.41 per share compared to $6 million or $0.30 per share in the year ago quarter.

Included in this net loss was a $1.1 million noncash expense associated with the change in the fair value of warrants and $1.9 million of additional taxes and other expenses associated with the settlement.

Our non-GAAP net loss in the fourth quarter of fiscal 2018 was $4.6 million or $0.23 per share compared with a non-GAAP net loss of $5 million or $0.25 per share in the year ago quarter.

The combination of higher gross margins, lower operating expenses and a gain on the settlement resulted in a net income of $26.8 million in fiscal 2018 or $1.32 per share. This compares to a net loss of $32 million or $1.73 per share in fiscal 2017. Our non-GAAP net loss for fiscal 2018 was $13 million or $0.64 per share. This was down from a non-GAAP net loss of $32.2 million or $1.70 per share in fiscal 2017.

We ended fiscal year 2018 with $78.2 million in cash, cash equivalents and restricted cash. This compares with $80.2 million on December 31, 2018. The end-of-year cash balance includes $52.7 million of net cash proceeds received in fiscal 2018 from the settlement. Our non-GAAP operating cash burn in the fourth quarter of fiscal 2018 was $3.1 million. This excludes $2 million in legal expenses paid associated with the settlement.

Now turning to our financial guidance for the first quarter of fiscal 2019. We expect that our revenues will be in the range of $10 million to $13 million. Our net loss on net revenue is expected to be no more than $9 million or $0.42 per share. And our non-GAAP net loss is expected to be no more than $7.5 million or $0.35 per share. We anticipate an operating cash flow burn of minus $5 million to minus $7 million in the first quarter of fiscal 2019. This guidance does not include any tax payments or other costs related to the settlement.

We expect to end the first quarter of fiscal 2019 with no less than $73 million in cash, cash equivalents and restricted cash. Our end-of-quarter cash balance guidance includes a final payment of $3.1 million in proceeds from the sale of the Devens building, which was received during the current quarter.

In closing, fiscal 2018 was a year where we achieved double-digit revenue growth, increased our gross margins by 17 basis points and lowered our operating expenses by 7%. The combination of these events positively impacted our bottom line results by over $19 million.

This concludes my review, and I will now turn the call back over to Daniel.

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Daniel Patrick McGahn, American Superconductor Corporation - Chairman, President & CEO [5]

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Thanks, John. We entered fiscal 2018 with the right team and cost structure for success. We delivered on our 5 stated business objectives. Two objectives were growth-focused, to grow Grid revenue and to grow Wind revenue. We believe the other 3 objectives serve to advance our transition to a more predictable, reoccurring business. These objectives were to complete a long lead time order for LPD 28, to begin a REG system project and to deliver 5.5-megawatt ECS units to Doosan for offshore wind. We executed on all 5 of our stated business objectives for fiscal 2018. Now we enter fiscal 2019 with the right resources and rigor expected to advance our long-term growth strategy.

In conclusion, the initiatives we have undertaken over the past several years have changed the company. We believe our new products are leading a shift in our revenue mix towards a more predictable, reoccurring revenue base led by our business with the U.S. Navy. We are successfully diversifying our revenue mix across and within our Grid and Wind segments. We are beginning a new chapter in the progression of our company. We are executing across all our products and transforming AMSC into what we expect to be a more sustainable and diversified business.

Our new chapter is being written by our employees, who are guided by the values for which AMSC stands for. At AMSC, we are constantly collaborating. We are always accountable to our customers. We strive to hire the best and brightest. Our culture is inherently innovative. We listen to and learn from the markets we serve. I am grateful for our employees' commitment and delivery on a successful fiscal year 2018. I also thank you for your continuing support. I look forward to reporting to you again following the completion of our first quarter fiscal 2019.

Operator, can we now open up the line to questions from our covering analysts?

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Questions and Answers

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Operator [1]

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(Operator Instructions) We'll now take our first question from Eric Stine from Craig-Hallum.

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Eric Andrew Stine, Craig-Hallum Capital Group LLC, Research Division - Senior Research Analyst [2]

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So I just want to start with a couple questions in the Grid segment. So in D-VAR, I mean, you've clearly had a noticeable acceleration in that business. A couple of months ago, you had 2 orders within a couple of weeks and that kind of breaks from your typical pattern of a couple orders a year. Just curious what -- maybe more detail, what you attribute that to. I mean is it the expansion into the industrial? And is this something that you see as sustainable going forward?

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Daniel Patrick McGahn, American Superconductor Corporation - Chairman, President & CEO [3]

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Yes, I think it's twofold, Eric. I think one, we've seen beachhead orders in some new markets for renewables, and then, as you said, industrial customers as well. It does appear to be sustainable in that the geographies we're going into with renewables have policies in place for the next several years that will keep Wind moving in the right direction. And then with industrial customers, kind of the macro trends in the industries that we're serving there all seem to be, at least for the near term, very favorable to us. So we anticipate that good feeling in the D-VAR part of the Grid business to continue, we hope, for some time.

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Eric Andrew Stine, Craig-Hallum Capital Group LLC, Research Division - Senior Research Analyst [4]

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Okay. Got it. Then maybe just turning to Navy. LPD 30, just looking back at some past transcripts. I think you were expecting the second piece of LPD 30 on the order front to come later in fiscal '19. And I know that it came quite a bit sooner. So just curious, I mean maybe does that change your view of how growth plays out in that segment. And then just as a reminder, how many more ships are part of this kind of next-gen platform?

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Daniel Patrick McGahn, American Superconductor Corporation - Chairman, President & CEO [5]

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Sure. So I think you're accurately kind of describing the tenor and the temperament we had probably a few calls ago. And to remind you and everybody, LPD 30 really is our introduction into the shipbuilder. As we're doing LPD 28, we're doing it directly with the Navy. LPD 30 is with the shipbuilder. So we have 2 active ships right now. LPD 29, we're coming due for at some point hopefully in the next year or so, as well as LPD 31. So we should continue to see doing basically 2 ships at the time for the next few years.

We called out the revenue, I think last call, we talked about revenue mostly into 2020 and into 2021 for the ships. We look at the total tale, there's another, I believe, 13 ships beyond LPD 30. When we talked about it originally, we talked about 15 ships in total. So there's a many-year series of orders and then hopefully continued revenue there. And then we mentioned on the call that we're not just working on LPD, we're looking to expand in some other platforms. And when we have good news in that area, we'll certainly report it out to everybody.

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Eric Andrew Stine, Craig-Hallum Capital Group LLC, Research Division - Senior Research Analyst [6]

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Got it. Understood. Well, maybe last area for me, just on Wind. Year-over-year revenue is up. I know that you were down slightly in the quarter. And just curious, because I know Inox, their order book has grown. It sounds like things are back on track in the Indian market. Maybe thoughts about near term and maybe that goes into the sequential lower revenues expected in 1Q. And then how does the transition to the 3-megawatt turbine play into that? I know you don't have an order yet for that, but that's something that you anticipate.

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Daniel Patrick McGahn, American Superconductor Corporation - Chairman, President & CEO [7]

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Yes. I think the challenge was we kind of looked at the key indicator in the Wind market is where are they with the first project under the new rules. So where are they with SECI-1? And from listening to them on their call, they have not yet completed connecting those turbines to the grid. So we're focused on making sure we're there to support them as they go through that. I think that's a big milestone for them. Our understanding is for SECI-2 and potentially some of the other projects, they will interconnect at the same point in the Grid. So that opens up, hopefully, I'll say, a low degree of difficulty to see those revenues expand.

The words Inox have used in their call, plug-and-play. Once they have this substation built that they'll just keep adding more capacity at that point in the grid. If that turns out to be true, which is what Inox has indicated, it should mean that their business returns to a nice peak here in the relatively near term. We know that's something that everybody is looking at, that are watching our company as well.

For the transition to the 3-megawatt, at this point, we're doing work on the design and we intend to deliver a prototype. We don't yet have a contract or an instruction, as you said, to deliver Electrical Control Systems or 3-megawatt turbines. But we see that coming sometime in the future here. We need to keep doing the work we need to get done for Inox. We need to support them in the field. We need to support their customers and that's where our immediate focus is for our activity.

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Operator [8]

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(Operator Instructions) We will now take our next question from Philip Shen from Roth Capital Partners.

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Philip Shen, Roth Capital Partners, LLC, Research Division - MD & Senior Research Analyst [9]

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Just wanted to follow up on a question that Eric had. As it relates to D-VAR, you mentioned that the industrial segment trends appear to be favorable. Can you give us a little bit more color on what those trends might be?

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Daniel Patrick McGahn, American Superconductor Corporation - Chairman, President & CEO [10]

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Yes. Kind of the main trends we look at, increase in kind of heavy manufacturing jobs and work. We're focused more on the mining of heavy materials, certainly things like batteries and the move to electric vehicles help demand in that segment. We also see things like semiconductor fabs in areas like volatile memory. There is a lot of expansion going on in building semiconductor fabs across the globe and they're kind of in a cycle now where they are adding capital expenditures. So those are some of the trends that we look at as kind of proxies for future growth.

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Philip Shen, Roth Capital Partners, LLC, Research Division - MD & Senior Research Analyst [11]

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Great. That's helpful. And then as it relates to the Navy, you talked about you guys are looking to expand into a new platform. I know you can't tell us and it's tough to give us color on that. But can you try to give us some degree of color as to any timing around that, perhaps near term, medium term or something else altogether? Is it something that we could expect to see in the next 12 months? Or is it more likely in the medium-term time frame of 2-plus years?

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Daniel Patrick McGahn, American Superconductor Corporation - Chairman, President & CEO [12]

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Yes. Philip, it's hard for me to kind of speculate because I don't have something on my desk that we're working to get over the goal line at this point on new platforms. We've worked a lot with Congress on the budget cycle, worked a lot with the different platform owners. Because if you remember, we've done qualification on a bunch of different platforms already. So what we're trying to identify really is the insertion point into some of these other platforms, and that's something that we're focused on.

To look at LPD as an example, where we got insertion is when they were looking to change the platform to the next design and then we were able to kind of current fit the existing design. So I don't know if that's a good indicator for some of these other platforms. But the good news is most of the ones that we're talking about are either more ships per year or more value per ship per year. So we think those are good indicators. And we do know that the sooner we can report out that we've established additional business beyond the beachhead, we know that will generate some excitement for the Navy but also among the audience here on the call as well.

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Philip Shen, Roth Capital Partners, LLC, Research Division - MD & Senior Research Analyst [13]

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Great. And then in terms of the VVO business and they're -- in your prepared remarks, you talked about how you're expecting to expand VVO sales with utilities this year. Can you provide us a little bit more color on this? Because I think this is an interesting and nice opportunity that doesn't necessarily have to go through the PUC as it relates to utilities, which makes it a faster sale. So if you can talk about the pipeline funnel, where you are on the sales cycle, have utilities approved you guys as a vendor and what kind of acceleration could we see this fiscal year as this category develops.

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Daniel Patrick McGahn, American Superconductor Corporation - Chairman, President & CEO [14]

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Yes. What we're starting to see in 2019 is repeat business already. So customers that were pilot customers now buy units, plural. What we want to move to is where they can do significant volume blanket orders on us and it becomes kind of a standard product. What I've said in the past is I want to make sure in 2019 we get this right. This is a make-to-stock order. We want to make sure we have the feature set that allows us to address the largest market possible with a cost basis that doesn't require a lot of configuration of the product to be able to ship it.

So we see '19 -- we're calling for growth. We're actually calling for growth in the Grid and across all the product lines. We -- at least since I've been doing this, we've never come out that strong about growth for the year, specifically for Grid. So we're trying to make sure we get VVO right. We should see revenues be greater this year than last year but there's still a small fraction of the total. I hope in 2020, we start to see maybe a bigger breakout in growth from VVO.

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Philip Shen, Roth Capital Partners, LLC, Research Division - MD & Senior Research Analyst [15]

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Can you talk about the number of utilities you're in as it relates to VVO? And you talked about ships being perhaps 2 a year. Can you quantify anything as it relates to these utilities?

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Daniel Patrick McGahn, American Superconductor Corporation - Chairman, President & CEO [16]

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Yes. At this time it's hard given we've only been able to announce the 2 so far. To give you a little color, I mean, we're working with a couple a few handfuls at a time to try to get initial product and then recurring product from them. So again, we want to get it right in '19 with the couple handfuls of customers that we have, and then can we then get some of these customers to accelerate through larger, more blanket style ordering, which is the objective and the goal for the product.

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Operator [17]

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We'll now take our next question from Colin Rusch from Oppenheimer.

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Colin William Rusch, Oppenheimer & Co. Inc., Research Division - MD and Senior Analyst [18]

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Can you talk about opportunities for cost reduction particularly with the supply chain? Obviously, you're getting some growth and you may not be reaching critical breakpoints in terms of volumes. But now that you've shifted the facilities and reorganized the company, what are you able to do here in terms of driving cost out of the products?

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Daniel Patrick McGahn, American Superconductor Corporation - Chairman, President & CEO [19]

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Yes. I think if you kind of bifurcate the business, the existing product lines, ECS and D-VAR, we continually strive for ways to reduce cost in both those product lines. We're at volumes that you have enough business with the supply chain that you can start to see some reduction there. You see some benefits perhaps in the numbers even this year on that. But to kind of give you some pause there, do realize that we're going from a high-volume production in 2-megawatt ECS to the beginning of low-volume production for 3- and 5-megawatt, so it's almost a reset to try to get leverage in those, which means additional revenue in those areas probably won't have exactly the same pull-through on the first units as it will as they get the volume.

Similarly, as we look at VVO as a new product, SPS as a new product to REG as a new product, we're introducing a lot more revenue that's new that doesn't have that history with the supply chain. So I think your point is right on that, over time, Colin, we'll be able to manage cost better. We've demonstrated that in D-VAR. We've demonstrated that in 2-megawatt ECS. As we start to see volume growing in these products, we will continue to strive to work on improvement of margin. It's something, I think, we've demonstrated internally that we're pretty good at, and we want to be able to continue that with the new products as well. But the caveat always is volume. You need to have the volume present to be able to work with the supply chain to get the benefit of that volume.

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Colin William Rusch, Oppenheimer & Co. Inc., Research Division - MD and Senior Analyst [20]

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Great. And then particularly on the voltage management solutions, how price-sensitive are the customers at this point? Is there an opportunity for you guys to drive some cost out and then enable a larger pool of demand should you reach a certain price point?

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Daniel Patrick McGahn, American Superconductor Corporation - Chairman, President & CEO [21]

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Yes. We're literally testing that exact hypothesis. And what I don't know today is by reducing pricing by 10% or 20%, does that double the market or something like that. The direct answer is we don't know. This is a new class of equipment. It doesn't directly compete with an existing class. There are voltage regulators that do some of the features that we do but not what we need to get done for residential PV or electric vehicles.

So we're trying to test that. There's a couple of different use patterns with VVO, be it solar, be it electric vehicles, be it industrial, and they may have different price points that open up different markets. So again, that's work that we're going to do more learning in 2019. And I apologize, Colin, I don't have a definitive answer at this point. But hopefully as we go into 2020, we can be more clear and have more clarity on how do we see leverage coming from that business and how do we see growth unfolding for that part of the business as well.

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Operator [22]

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Thank you. It appears there are no further questions, sir. At this time, I would like to turn the conference back to you for any additional or closing remarks.

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Daniel Patrick McGahn, American Superconductor Corporation - Chairman, President & CEO [23]

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Great. Thank you. I appreciate it. I appreciate everybody's attention and support of the company. If you look back over the past year in our fiscal 2018, we grew and we diversified our Grid business. That was a major focus of what we were trying to achieve, and we were able to achieve it. We finished the year with a record Grid backlog going into '19. We look at the Grid business as something that we can bring effort and try to control. That's the part of the business that we think we can direct to drive growth.

For fiscal 2019, we anticipate significant growth in our Grid business. And we see that driven by higher revenues from all the products, from D-VAR, from VVO, from SPS and from REG. We do expect to support Inox Wind as they look to enhance their competitive position in the wind market, but our ability to deliver growth in that segment is really going to be dependent upon Inox's ability to deliver growth in their market. And we see even from their numbers that their business is starting to come back.

As we look at fiscal 2019, we look forward to growing AMSC from a position of financial and operational strength. I think the key is as we get to the end of '19, we're going to have capabilities to deliver on these new products that we did not have, specifically with SPS.

So as you heard from the remarks that John provided, we're guiding to a cash balance of $73 million, it's a very strong position that we would look to be coming out of the June quarter. So as we turn to the future, we expect our 5-megawatt class wind turbine to enter the offshore market with our Korean partner, Doosan.

Pending approval of the DHS contract mod, we intend to begin manufacturing the first parts of the system for Commonwealth Edison. We hope to talk more about this very soon. So this is something that we're working on literally on a day-to-day basis, so we hope we can come out with some news very quickly for you all on that part of the business.

We expect to establish our manufacturing and product delivery capabilities, as I just said, for our current SPS orders. But we do anticipate additional SPS orders for the San Antonio Class, as I mentioned, and we are doing work on a bunch of different platforms.

So we think as we transition here into 2019, you see the potential for more revenue coming, more diversified revenue and more opportunities for growth for the company, and that's what we're trying to build from. We look forward to being able to report back to you on the end of the first quarter, and we can talk more at that point about what we see as prospects for 2019 as well.

Thank you, everybody, for your attention. We appreciate it.

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Operator [24]

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Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this will conclude this conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.