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Edited Transcript of CCRO3.SA earnings conference call or presentation 9-Aug-19 1:00pm GMT

Q2 2019 CCR SA Earnings Call

Sao Paulo Aug 16, 2019 (Thomson StreetEvents) -- Edited Transcript of CCR SA earnings conference call or presentation Friday, August 9, 2019 at 1:00:00pm GMT

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Corporate Participants

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* Arthur Piotto Filho

CCR S.A. - Chief Finance & IR Officer and Member of Executive Board

* Eduardo de Toledo

CCR S.A. - VP of Corporate Management & Member of Executive Board

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Conference Call Participants

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* Renato Ramos de Almeida Hallgren

BB-Banco de Investimento S.A., Research Division - Senior Analyst

* Rogério Araújo

UBS Investment Bank, Research Division - Director and Equity Research Analyst

* Victor Mizusaki

Banco Bradesco BBI S.A., Research Division - Research Analyst

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Presentation

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Operator [1]

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Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for waiting. Welcome to the CCR S.A. conference call to discuss the results of the second quarter of 2019. This event is being recorded. (Operator Instructions)

Before proceeding, we would like to clarify that forward-looking statements made during this conference call pertaining the company's business prospects, projections, operational and financial goals are beliefs and assumptions of the CCR management as well as information currently available to the company. These forward-looking statements are not a guarantee of performance and involve risks, uncertainties and assumptions as they refer to future events and, therefore, depend on circumstances that may or may not occur. Investors should understand that general conditions, industry conditions and other operating factors may affect the company's future results and will result in outcomes that differ materially from those expressed in such future conditions.

I would like to give the floor to Mr. Eduardo de Toledo, Corporate Management, VP, who will begin the presentation. Mr. Eduardo, you may proceed.

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Eduardo de Toledo, CCR S.A. - VP of Corporate Management & Member of Executive Board [2]

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Good morning to everyone. It's a pleasure to be with you in our earnings results of the second quarter of 2019. We have Arthur Filho; Marcus Vinicius that you know from Investor Relations team.

I would like to start this call showing how consistent our results were during the second quarter of 2019. Aligned with the company's behavior, we have had a good evolution in our key indicators. Our operating adjusted EBITDA had a 27% increase in the quarter when we compare it to 2019. And net debt EBITDA had a positive even though it's reducing 2.6%, 2.5%. Therefore, the company is prepared from the financial point of view for this new cycle across.

So we continue working. We are honing our corporate governance, and we have carried out a number of actions. I would like to highlight 2 of them. One would be the review of our metrics and our provisional growth. We are working with this very carefully in such a way that we have the best governance regarding our decisions in the company. In addition to this, you may have observed with the election of the Board, we rearranged our committees, and we also created a risk committee that didn't exist in the past. This is a clear demonstration of how we are concerned with the organization of our committees and our governance. And in addition, another fact that is important to highlight is that all our committees have at least one independent board member. So these are very important facts that demonstrate how we're improving our governance.

During this quarter, we also initiated projects that target to provide CCR instruments to be successful in this new investment cycle. The first point that I would like to share with you is the operational excellency project. We have good experience with [Falconi] and other experiences. And Falconi is going to allow us to systematize this pursuit of opportunities to improve our operation. Of course, CCR already has strong competency. Nonetheless, Falconi can help us to institutionalize these initiatives so that these competencies become more organic and become more systematic.

In addition to this, we have also initiated a project with culture and purpose. And this initiative is to deep dive the connection between CCR and the employees. This is very positive because CCR should continue being a company that is admired and that people wish to work for the company. And this is very important from the competitiveness point of view to attract talent.

I wanted to highlight these main points. And I will give the floor to Arthur that will talk about the quarterly results.

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Arthur Piotto Filho, CCR S.A. - Chief Finance & IR Officer and Member of Executive Board [3]

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Good morning to everyone. First and foremost, I would like to thank you for your participation and your interest on the company. Before talking about the results, I would like to tell you that the release of the company is in our site.

Now speaking about the main highlights of this quarter, we would like to highlight traffic, that presented an increase of 7.2% vis-à-vis the same period last year, excluding the effects of the suspended axle exception that we have told we increased was 4.8%. We would like to highlight the main pro forma figures of this year considering business that we do not have control or consolidated proportionally and each one of the lines. We exclude the nonrecurring effects and assets that the company -- where the company increased its participation. And here we can see the base of comparison.

As you can see, what was announced yesterday after -- and now the cash cost reduced, a 3.2% drop. This is a reduction of cost with personnel and the -- and there was lower variable remuneration. The operating adjusted EBITDA was BRL 1.5 million this quarter, and this is an increase of 25.5% when compared to the same period last year with a margin of 62%, and this totaled an expansion of 3.9 percentage points. Net income was $347.4 million during this quarter, presented an increase of 25.1% vis-à-vis the same period last year and was driven by new businesses.

The net income on the same basis was BRL 330.3 million with a growth of 8.2% when we compare to the same period last year. This is a result of the operational performance of the company. Now during the second quarter this year, the investments, including financial assets and maintenance, totaled BRL 395.3 million. The concession is that (inaudible) that invested most (inaudible), the San Jose International Airport and ViaSul.

Now regarding net indebtedness, in IFRS, this was BRL 30.4 million in this quarter with an increase of 3.7% or 1.7% when compared to the quarter of the last year and the past quarter or the first quarter of 2019, respectively. Now the company leverage net debt over operating adjusted EBITDA was 2.5x during this quarter. We are confident with the new opportunities, and we are pursuing new businesses, the national and in the international market, primary, secondary market, airport and related business.

According our objectives, we expect a number of growth opportunities. We have over 8,000 kilometers of highways between 2019 and 2021 and 5,000 as of 2022. So these are the 364 and 365 highway Goiás, Minas Gerais has already been published, and the tender and the auction will be hold on September 18. In addition to this opportunity, other federal highways will -- are in the process, Santa Catarina 381 between Minas Gerais and the state of Espírito Santo and 153 rehabilitation highway between Tocantins and Goiás. Very recently in the São Paulo transportation has also announced (inaudible), there is an auction for November 28.

Now the airport sectors, the federal government announced that they will -- there will be a private concession of an additional 6 groups of airports. And there are 2 routes that total 37 assets for the year 2022.

Now in (inaudible) will initiate their bids this year. Now we will hold the Q&A session. Operator, may you proceed?

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Questions and Answers

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Operator [1]

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(Operator Instructions) A question from Victor Mizusaki, Bradesco BBI.

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Victor Mizusaki, Banco Bradesco BBI S.A., Research Division - Research Analyst [2]

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I have a question. I was analyzing the results of the second quarter, and you have a long recurrent expense of BRL 11 million with legal cost. When we discussed the independent committee, if I am not wrong, the legal loss was ended in December last year. I wanted to understand if this is connected to a new negotiation with the prosecutor's office? Or can we consider that there is nothing material that was discussed during the first quarter?

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Eduardo de Toledo, CCR S.A. - VP of Corporate Management & Member of Executive Board [3]

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Okay, Victor. Thank you for your question. The expenses was legal services support of the actions in São Paulo and Paraná. What we did once again was there, we reviewed the matters that we were aware of and we wanted to continue cooperating. And this is what happens. So we have -- we need legal advice because of 1 (inaudible). There are always matters that we have to deal with.

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Victor Mizusaki, Banco Bradesco BBI S.A., Research Division - Research Analyst [4]

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Okay. But at this point, is there something that you could disclose? Any novelty regarding plea bargain? And do you believe that it is necessary to have legal counseling?

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Eduardo de Toledo, CCR S.A. - VP of Corporate Management & Member of Executive Board [5]

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Now regarding this point, once again our position regarding this subject is to cooperate continuously and answer all questions that are made. Every time a matter emerges, we deal with the competent authorities to help them with their investigation.

Now in terms of details, we have limitations regarding this subject. I would like to highlight this matter. Sometimes, it's not very clear, but we -- but any information that we provide to them, they use this information to deep dive in their investigation because we have third party involved. And because of this, the information that we provide is very confidential until the authorities believe that it is no longer necessary for them to remain confidential. And they are the only ones that can disclose this type of information. Thank you very much.

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Operator [6]

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Our next question from [Pedro Pascual], JPMorgan.

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Unidentified Analyst, [7]

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I have 2 questions. One would be Victor's follow-up. You have (inaudible). I would like to know if the pre-agreement was already contemplated or was it something new has emerged? And that's my question.

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Eduardo de Toledo, CCR S.A. - VP of Corporate Management & Member of Executive Board [8]

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Thank you for your question. Well, basically, they pick. The executives that were in the company until November, December last year participated in the pick. We announced this pick, and we did it. No executive can be part of the pick after this period. So we have no -- there is no executive that remained in the company and that led the pick.

Now regarding the exit of the executives. These changes had already been contemplated when -- years ago, when we analyzed the company's leadership. And we would analyze the age group, and we realized that the company was going to go through reorganization throughout the upcoming years. And this is exactly what is happening. Each one of the 4 divisions of the company are led by executives that started working for the company this year. This matter had already been contemplated and outlined some time ago.

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Unidentified Analyst, [9]

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Perfect, Eduardo. My second question, the government announced a decree to return our assets. Could you have a negotiation with the government now? And speaking about government negotiation, is there an asset in São Paulo? And any light you could shed on us would help us a lot.

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Eduardo de Toledo, CCR S.A. - VP of Corporate Management & Member of Executive Board [10]

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Thank you for your question. Regarding the decree that was published this year, this is something positive for us because you clearly realize that the federal government wants to find a good solution to these concessions. And there are a number that are regarding CCR and the impact is important that this is an evolution nonetheless. There are still a number of things that we're analyzing, and a few of them will need analyzed from the regulating agencies. So here, we believe that we can have an evolution.

Now regarding São Paulo, from the state authority's point of view, I believe that they want to resolve these matters. So they're looking for alternatives. And this is very positive and very fruitful because they want to drive the concession at the state area. And I believe that interesting opportunities will emerge for CCR.

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Operator [11]

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Our next question from Roberta (inaudible).

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Unidentified Analyst, [12]

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Just a follow-up regarding the São Paulo concession. Any novelties regarding the contract extensions? And the second question, with the interest rates, do you believe that the government will reduce the return rates of the contract?

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Eduardo de Toledo, CCR S.A. - VP of Corporate Management & Member of Executive Board [13]

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Thank you for your question, Roberta. Well, your first question regarding the extension of the contract, from the CCR point of view, we believe that there are a number of interesting projects to improve new access points that will benefit the upcoming highways and concessionaires. Now the negotiations together with the government are ongoing. I believe we have positive prospects regarding this point. There are a number of alternatives with a number of outlines. I believe that we're having very good conversations or negotiations. I believe that the stance of the federal state government is very positive right now regarding investments that can benefit the users.

Your second question would be the reduction of interest rate in the company. As an executive of a Brazilian company, and I've been here for over 30 years in the market, we have a situation like we have never seen, the drop of the interest rates in the country in a consistent fashion. And they are not artificial drop. This type of news is very positive. And this can only benefit the entire market. And this only provides a drop of the funding costs. So it is natural that the parameter will adapt themselves to this new reality. And everything is very positive because the structural interest rate in the country can only benefit the investment, and we are a company that needs it.

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Operator [14]

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(Operator Instructions) Our next question from Victor Mizusaki, Bradesco BBI.

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Victor Mizusaki, Banco Bradesco BBI S.A., Research Division - Research Analyst [15]

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A follow-up regarding the prosecutor's office. You mentioned confidentiality because there are third parties engaged. The -- are we talking about people or we -- or can this impact of the CCR concessionaires that weren't part of the plea agreement that you agreed upon within the prosecutor's office.

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Eduardo de Toledo, CCR S.A. - VP of Corporate Management & Member of Executive Board [16]

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Well, once again our cooperation is to disclose all the information that we are aware of. Now this, once again, there have been 2 private agreements, one at the federal level in (inaudible), one at the state level in São Paulo. So we understand that we are encompassing points that engage CCR as a whole and everything that we know which engages CCR. And our aim towards here and the pick is that everything that has happened should be disclosed as fast as possible so that we can resolve all of these matters, turn the page and to be ready for this new positive scenario that we have ahead of us. Thank you very much.

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Operator [17]

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Our next question from Rogério Araújo, UBS.

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Rogério Araújo, UBS Investment Bank, Research Division - Director and Equity Research Analyst [18]

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We have 2 questions. One, regarding traffic. I believe that what we see, the last year's truck drivers' strike, I believe that the traffic is flat year-on-year. What is your perspective for the recovery of traffic? Could you say something about this? And also regarding the traffic -- regarding what you projected and cost, CapEx, if it's negative, positive. We could start with this question.

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Eduardo de Toledo, CCR S.A. - VP of Corporate Management & Member of Executive Board [19]

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Thank you for your question, Rogério. As a matter of fact, the figures of the second quarter regarding traffic has evolved positively because of the truck drivers' strike last year. It is difficult to withdraw the effect that the strike gave. We withdraw the effect of the suspended axles. Now what we can say is that, we have observed since the beginning of July, since beginning of this quarter, the -- a traffic behavior that is very positive. It is above what we saw the first quarter this year. So the second quarter is polluted the -- contaminated by the strike last year. Our vision is that it is flat, it is positive. And now we see a more positive movement than during the first quarter. And there are 2 quarters that were not contaminated by the strike (inaudible).

Now regarding ViaSul, I believe that it's too early to talk about the performance, if it's better, worse or the same because we have had success since the beginning of operation. We delivered ahead of time in 2 cities, and our plans are aligned with expectation. But perhaps it's a bit too early to give you an entire outlook. But what we have done has exceeded our expectations.

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Rogério Araújo, UBS Investment Bank, Research Division - Director and Equity Research Analyst [20]

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My second question regarding an update of the new auctions. What have you planned? You have 364, 365. You have Centrovias from São Paulo. And September and November, is there another auction that has already issued a tender? Now regarding urban mobility, what kind of pipeline are you contemplating just so that we can know what new opportunities you have in terms of projects?

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Eduardo de Toledo, CCR S.A. - VP of Corporate Management & Member of Executive Board [21]

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Well, precisely, you're right. The scheduled auctions with our -- all the auctions can change as well. We cannot state anything, but the 364, 365 highway in September, and the project in São Paulo, that includes the Centrovias highway from (inaudible). November this year, we do not have other auctions scheduled. We -- our expectations in terms of mobility project would be Line 8 and 9 in São Paulo. And there are a list of projects that I am not going to outline right now. You can see them in our presentations in our site. And we expect this to happen until 2019 and 2021.

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Arthur Piotto Filho, CCR S.A. - Chief Finance & IR Officer and Member of Executive Board [22]

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Of course, these projects are part of the segments where the company performed. Now thank you very much.

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Operator [23]

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Our next question from Renato Hallgren, Banco do Brasil.

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Renato Ramos de Almeida Hallgren, BB-Banco de Investimento S.A., Research Division - Senior Analyst [24]

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I have 2 points. One, your liability management. If you are negotiate -- with your interest in renegotiating contracts the MBS, and if there is an interest from the company. And number two if there is any interest from the MBS to renegotiate these contracts without charging additional tariffs.

And the second question with the return of assets, especially Barcas asset in Rio de Janeiro, I would like an update if CCR still interested in returning this asset or this is a balance matter or if you will continue with this concession until the end.

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Eduardo de Toledo, CCR S.A. - VP of Corporate Management & Member of Executive Board [25]

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Renato, thank you for your question. Your first question regarding liability management. We are analyzing the market. The market has interesting opportunities. And we are analyzing liability management. But the characteristic here of CCR, our liability is long. So we're talking about Metrô Bahia, that is a 20, 25-year project. And we are still in the beginning of this process. Although we always observe these points and we try to look for opportunities, I would say that it's not as obvious as other companies that have shorter MBS contracts and are interested in points that are more obvious. In our case, we have to study the matter. And once again, we would have to run -- we would have to run the risk of refinancing 10 years, 12 years. And this is something that is starting to exist in Brazil. But here, we'd run the risk of refinancing. We are analyzing this matter, but it's not as obvious as it is for other players that have the MBS maturities that are shorter.

Now regarding Barcas, Rio de Janeiro, our interest is to end this concession, to end this -- terminate this contract. We understand that, under the current conditions, it's not interesting for us. There is the legal lawsuit connected to this point, and we want this to be resolved in the shortest period possible. Of course, things don't happen exactly as we wish, but we're doing everything to resolve this the fastest possible.

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Renato Ramos de Almeida Hallgren, BB-Banco de Investimento S.A., Research Division - Senior Analyst [26]

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If you could allow me to make another question regarding the economic balance of suspended axles, how are you negotiating this with the regulating agencies? What do you expect in terms of response? You would extend the concession period. How do you visualize the rebalancing of the suspended axles?

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Eduardo de Toledo, CCR S.A. - VP of Corporate Management & Member of Executive Board [27]

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Well, the good news of suspended axles is that this is clear. They recognize and their figures match our figures. Regarding what we have done, this is very clear in the conceding -- with the conceding power conversation. Now how this rebalance is going to be done? 2 forms are being studied. There are some concessions where you have a lower tariff, where we could have a low toll fee and we could rebalance this through toll. And others will be done through a time line. Well, we still do not know how this will happen. But as I said, the conversations have been very positive. And our conversation is good because we want to deal with this matter jointly.

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Operator [28]

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(Operator Instructions) Our Q&A session has come to an end. I would like to give the floor to Mr. Eduardo de Toledo for his final remarks.

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Eduardo de Toledo, CCR S.A. - VP of Corporate Management & Member of Executive Board [29]

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Before closing, I would like to highlight that the initial results of this quarter show us that we will have a good operating performance. Now we have a very positive feeling. We are reassured and we feel that our businesses are very positive. And we are very reassured that the decisions that we are making will prepare CCR for this new growth cycle that we had ahead of us. It was a pleasure to talk with all of you in this call. Thank you for your participation. And we will talk to each other.

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Operator [30]

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The CCR conference call has come to an end. Thank you very much for your participation.