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Edited Transcript of CSU earnings conference call or presentation 7-Nov-19 3:00pm GMT

Q3 2019 Capital Senior Living Corp Earnings Call

DALLAS Nov 26, 2019 (Thomson StreetEvents) -- Edited Transcript of Capital Senior Living Corp earnings conference call or presentation Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 3:00:00pm GMT

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Corporate Participants

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* Brandon M. Ribar

Capital Senior Living Corporation - COO

* Carey P. Hendrickson

Capital Senior Living Corporation - Executive VP & CFO

* Kimberly S. Lody

Capital Senior Living Corporation - President, CEO & Director

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Conference Call Participants

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* Chad Christopher Vanacore

Stifel, Nicolaus & Company, Incorporated, Research Division - Senior Analyst

* Joanna Sylvia Gajuk

BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division - VP

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Presentation

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Operator [1]

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Good day, and welcome to the Capital Senior Living Third Quarter 2019 Earnings Release Conference Call.

Today's conference is being recorded. All statements today, which are not historical facts, may be deemed to be forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Federal Securities Laws. These statements are made as of today's date, and the company expressly disclaims any obligation to update these statements in the future.

Actual results and performance may differ materially from those forward-looking statements. Certain of these factors that could cause actual results to differ are detailed in the earnings release the company issued earlier today as well as in the reports the company files with the SEC from time to time, including the risk factors contained in the annual report on Form 10-K and quarterly reports on Form 10-Q.

Please see today's press release for the full safe harbor statement, which may be found at capitalsenior.com/investor-relations, and was furnished in an 8-K filing this morning.

Also, please note that during this call, the company will present non-GAAP financial measures. For Reconciliations of each non-GAAP measure from the most comparable GAAP measure, please also see today's press release.

At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Capital Senior Living's President and CEO, Ms. Kimberly Lody. Please go ahead, ma'am.

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Kimberly S. Lody, Capital Senior Living Corporation - President, CEO & Director [2]

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Thank you, and good morning to our shareholders, analysts, employees and other participants.

Welcome to Capital Senior Living's conference call to discuss our third quarter 2019 results. Joining me for today's call is Carey Hendrickson, our Chief Financial Officer; and Brandon Ribar, our Chief Operating Officer, who joined Capital Senior Living about 8 weeks ago. Brandon has an extensive background and impressive track record in finance and operations in the senior housing and skilled nursing sectors. He has already lodged many hours with our operational teams and has visited more than 20 of our communities.

These have been in-depth visits to work with the community teams and learn more about the unique opportunities in each of our markets.

We are delighted to have Brandon onboard and look forward to his operational leadership in further executing our turnaround strategy. While Brandon will not have prepared remarks on today's call, he will be available for your questions during the Q&A period.

2019 is a transformative year for Capital Senior Living, as our top priority is to rebuild the foundational practices and discipline necessary to strengthen our day-to-day business. We are now about 9 months into our strategy of Stabilize, Invest, Nurture and Grow to improve the operating performance and financial foundation of the company.

The expectations we set for 2019 were built with a deliberate focus on restoring the discipline required to grow occupancy, stabilize rates, manage operating expenses and improve performance in the coming periods. We mentioned during our second quarter earnings call that we expected Q3 results to be lower as we continue the actions necessary to reverse the declining occupancy trend that began nearly 2 years ago.

And while the results reported today reflect decisions we've made to improve our long-term success, we firmly believe Q3 was the low point of our turnaround, and we are now exiting that trough.

Total move-ins for Q3, while developing in the latter months of the quarter, were up 7% sequentially over Q2, growing for the first time since the second quarter of 2018. Additionally, rates and concessions remained well managed, indicating that the changes in our incentive plans and sales activities are providing our teams with the tools and focus to successfully sell the value of our communities, products and services.

Our move-outs are also trending lower, improving 9% sequentially, 13% year-over-year for the third quarter and 12% year-to-date through September. We have now posted positive net move-ins for August, September and October which will provide sequential financial occupancy improvement in Q4.

Let's focus on the specific actions we've taken to improve performance. During the first and second quarters of 2019, our focus centered on setting expectations for internal transparency, accountability and performance. We restructured and refreshed our field sales and operations teams and established the foundational sales, marketing and operational platforms to fuel long-term growth.

We elevated accountability for our sales directors to focus them on the full revenue picture on the value of our products and services and on working with their community teams to reduce preventable move-outs. This focus has delivered the recent positive changes in physical occupancy and will be evident in our fourth quarter results.

Optimization of our business systems is working. We significantly improved our community level and consolidated analytics and insights of key business metrics by implementing a new forecasting model back in May of this year. Utilization of this model has allowed us to forecast our business performance with nearly 100% accuracy during each of the last 6 months. This is a dramatic improvement to community level and consolidated forecast accuracy and reliability.

During the latter part of the second quarter and throughout the third quarter, we put laser focus on enhancing the quality and competitiveness of our product and services by investing in our community aesthetics, our people and our programs to more favorably position ourselves in each of our markets.

We ramped up our sales and marketing program to provide incremental leads in more robust sales processes to our organization. I mentioned during our second quarter results call that we were in the process of overhauling our marketing activities, and I'm pleased to note that these changes have resulted in consolidated lead growth of 9% sequentially and 5% compared to the third quarter of last year, with positive volume growth in both internally generated leads and those from aggregators.

In addition, during Q3, we implemented and tested a new sales process in 12 of our communities. This program involves new processes to improve our lead response times and guide prospective residents and their families through the sometimes confusing and often emotional process of choosing a senior living community for themselves or a loved one.

The program ran 12 weeks from mid-July through the end of October, with minimal incremental costs and demonstrated very promising results. Comparing same-community performance of the test period to the comparable 12-week period in the prior year, total leads increased more than 12%, our response times improved more than tenfold and move-ins at these communities increased 21.2% over the same period last year.

Clearly, these are strong results from the program, and we are actively expanding it across the remainder of our portfolio.

With regards to our highly valued employees, in addition to modernizing our health and wellness benefits, our PTO program and other employee perks, we invested approximately $576,000 during Q2 and Q3 to increase hourly wages in certain markets where the competition for talent is particularly intense, while we also worked to eliminate utilization of higher-cost agency staffing.

Similar to the industry, agency staffing has been quite expensive for us this year, totaling $5.1 million year-to-date compared to $2.2 million in 2018. The investments in our team are beginning to pay off. Expenses for agency staffing decreased $332,000 sequentially from Q2 to Q3 due to the wage adjustments and successful execution of initiatives to invest in our direct employees and reduce agency staffing.

We are working hard to reduce agency staffing to very minimal levels across the portfolio by the end of 2019, providing a margin expansion opportunity going forward.

Additionally, in August, we were selected to participate in a $12 million apprenticeship grant through the Dallas County Community College District from the U.S. Department of Labor. The grant will promote work-based training not only -- and not only strengthen our local Dallas workforce, but also provide a framework for similar programming and benefit our workforce across the country. We are the only senior living company to participate in this grant.

The lead growth, move-in growth, sales process improvements, reductions in agency staffing expenses and investments in our people, product and programs demonstrate the operational improvement that is taking hold and should deliver future benefits.

Now let's turn to another one of our top priorities, improving our financial foundation. During October, we divested 2 aging noncore assets, which no longer fit our portfolio, and we're at a point of needing significant near-term capital expenditures. These asset sales generated nearly $15 million of cash proceeds while reducing our outstanding debt by $44.4 million.

We also finalized an agreement with HCP, now Healthpeak, to accelerate the transition of the 9 communities under the triple-net lease expiring in October of 2020. Four communities will transition to other operators in January, and the remaining 5 communities will be marketed for sale.

The transition of these communities will eliminate the burden of $13.8 million in annualized cash lease expense and improve CFFO by approximately $3.1 million on an annualized basis. Carey will provide additional details on these transactions.

I will close by saying that we firmly believe our plan is taking hold and that our third quarter results represent the trough period of our turnaround. We expect our fourth quarter results to show improvement over Q3 as our strategy continues to take hold and accelerate operational momentum.

Now I'll turn the call over to Carey to provide a detailed update on our Q3 financial results. I'll rejoin the call shortly to provide a few closing remarks before opening the lines for questions.

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Carey P. Hendrickson, Capital Senior Living Corporation - Executive VP & CFO [3]

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Thank you, Kim. In my remarks, I'll discuss our non-GAAP measures, which exclude 2 communities that are undergoing lease-up after significant renovation and conversion, which is consistent with our prior quarters and 2019.

Our non-GAAP measures include the 2 Houston communities impacted by Hurricane Harvey. However, the statistical measures that we included in the press release exclude the results of these 2 Houston communities since they are in lease-up and to include them would make the statistical measures less meaningful. As a point of information, we will include all communities starting in the first quarter of 2020.

In the first 9 months of this year, we've made purposeful investments in our people and our product, knowing that these investments would cause some level of disruption and impact our financial results in 2019. But the investments have been made with an eye to the future to building the platform for growth in our future financial performance and creating the foundation for long-term value creation.

For example, knowing that leadership in our communities is the most important element for success, we've made necessary changes in the most critical leadership positions at our communities, our executive directors and sales directors; we've revised incentive plans to make sure that our executive directors and our sales directors are properly motivated to increase revenue and NOI; we've made important capital investments to refresh high-impact areas within certain communities; we've increased spending on repairs and maintenance to make sure that the critical systems at our communities are working well for our residents and that our communities present well at all times; we've made market wage adjustments in certain markets and improved our benefit programs to attract and retain talent; we've increased the number of regional operations managers to create greater support for our communities; we've added sales excellence managers to create greater support for our sales directors; we've purposely increased travel cost so that our regional managers and VPs of operations could be present more frequently in our communities to drive change and improvements.

These investments and others like them have impacted occupancy, revenue and expense in the short term, but we are beginning to see these investments positively impact financial -- physical occupancy growth, as Kim noted, and we expect other measures of our financial performance to soon follow suit.

In our release this morning, we reported total consolidated revenue of $111.1 million for the third quarter of 2019, a decrease of $4.5 million or 3.9% over the third quarter of 2018. The decrease is primarily related to lower financial occupancy year-over-year as well as an $800,000 decrease related to the sale of our Kokomo, Indiana Community on May 1. Declines related to these items are partially offset by $700,000 of incremental revenue in the third quarter of 2019 from the company's 2 communities impacted by Hurricane Harvey, which came back online in July of 2018.

Our operating expenses increased $4.2 million or 5.5% to $80.4 million in the third quarter of 2019 as compared to the third quarter of 2018, mostly due to business interruption credits at our 2 hurricane-impacted communities that are $1.2 million less than the third quarter of 2018, a $1 million increase in insurance expense that we had related to claims incurred during the year, and then an $800,000 adjustment. As Kim mentioned, we modernized our PTO policy, and we had increased our PTO accrual to relate to that.

We also made investments in repairs and maintenance, increasing these costs by $350,000 in the third quarter, a 35% increase over the third quarter of last year. Our business interruption reimbursements for our 2 hurricane-impacted communities ended in July of 2019. The BI credit in the third quarter of 2019 was $100,000 as compared to $1.3 million in the third quarter of 2018. Both of those communities are making steady progress in occupancy.

Our general and administrative expenses for the third quarter of 2019 were $7.6 million compared to $5.6 million in the third quarter of 2019. The third quarter of 2019 included approximately $700,000 in separation and placement costs, mostly related to the changes that have been made in our CEO and COO positions. Excluding these and other transaction costs from both years, our G&A expense increased approximately $1.6 million in the third quarter of 2019 as compared to the third quarter of 2018, mostly related to higher health claims expense, increased travel cost, as I mentioned earlier, associated with having our regional managers and VPs of operations on-site more frequently in our communities, and differences in bonus accruals between the 2 periods.

G&A expense as a percentage of revenue under management was 5.6% in the third quarter of 2019. As a result of the changes in revenue, operating expense and G&A discussed, adjusted EBITDAR was $27.3 million in the third quarter of 2019 compared to $36.1 million in the third quarter of 2018, and our adjusted CFFO was negative $1.2 million in the third quarter of 2019 compared to $8.1 million in the third quarter of 2018.

Also, CFFO for the third quarter of 2019 included a negative net impact of CFFO of approximately $500,000 related to the adoption of the new lease accounting standard, effective January 1, 2019, which has been the case in each of the quarters this year in 2019.

Looking at our same-community results, our same-community revenues decreased 3.8% as compared to the third quarter of 2018. We had a modest increase in average monthly rent of 0.2% as compared to the third quarter of last year, and our same-community occupancy declined 340 basis points to 82.3%. The decline was 130 basis points on a sequential basis from the second quarter of 2019.

Our same-community expenses in the third quarter of 2019 increased 2.4%. Our employee labor cost increased only 0.2% in the third quarter of 2019, due in large part to the rightsizing of our workforce across our field operations that was completed in February of this year. However, we did see an increase in our contract labor cost as compared to the third quarter of 2018, increasing about $900,000. Including contract labor, our labor expense increased 1.9% in the third quarter of 2019 over the third quarter of the prior year.

As Kim noted, we've made wage adjustments at a number of our communities that have the most significant wage pressure, which is helping us to better attract caregivers in these markets. And as a result, we saw contract labor come down about $300,000 from the second quarter to the third quarter.

Our food costs increased 1.1 -- excuse me, decreased 1.1% in the third quarter, and our other large cost category, utilities, also decreased 0.1% over the third quarter of last year. The decline in same-store revenue related to lower occupancy and the increase in contract labor with simultaneous wage adjustments were the primary drivers of a 15.1% decrease in our same-community net operating income in the third quarter of 2019 as compared to the third quarter of 2018.

As noted in our press release, and as Kim mentioned, we also closed on 2 transactions in October, the sale of 2 noncore communities and an accretive early termination of 9 communities leased from HCP, now Healthpeak.

These transactions work together to optimize our portfolio, strengthen our financial foundation and improve our financial position. We closed on the sale of the 2 noncore communities in Springfield, Missouri and Peoria, Illinois on October 1 at a price of $64.8 million, which resulted in $14.8 million in net cash proceeds. The communities had combined CFFO of $2.5 million in the first 9 months of 2019.

We avoided significant near-term capital expenditures, and we eliminated $44.4 million of debt with the sale of these communities.

On October 22, we entered into an agreement for the early termination of 9 underperforming lease communities that were part of a triple-net master lease scheduled to mature in October of 2020. Four of the communities will transition to new operators on or around January 15, 2020, and the other 5 communities are being marketed for sale with expected closing dates in the first half of 2020, most likely in mid- to late second quarter.

These 9 communities currently have $13.8 million of annual cash lease expense, which will be eliminated as each community is transitioned or sold, and we expect annual CFFO improvement of approximately $3.1 million related to the elimination of the 9 communities.

We'll pay an early termination fee of $1 million to HCP in the first quarter of 2020, and we'll have 1 remaining 6-property master lease with HCP that matures in 2026, which is unaffected by this transaction.

In the normal course of business, we continue to be engaged in various similar activities to strengthen our financial foundation and optimize our portfolio, including considering the divestiture of a limited number of additional assets and the refinancing of certain existing owned assets.

Looking briefly at the balance sheet. We ended the quarter with $20.8 million of cash and cash equivalents, including restricted cash. During the third quarter, we spent $6.5 million on capital expenditures as we continue to invest in our products for future growth.

At October 31, our cash balance, including restricted cash, was approximately $33 million, with the increase primarily attributable to the sale of the 2 noncore communities on October 1.

Our mortgage debt balance at September 30, 2019, was $967.4 million at a weighted average interest rate of 4.8%. At September 30, the majority of our debt was at fixed interest rates, except for 2 bridge loans that totaled approximately $76 million and $50 million of long-term variable rate debt under our master credit facility.

Of the 2 bridge loans, we have a $65 million bridge loan that matures in July of 2020 and an $11 million bridge loan that matures in October of 2021.

We're in active discussions with lenders regarding both bridge loans and are considering options related to extensions and/or refinancings for assets that are part of the current bridge loans.

Kim noted in her remarks, we're experiencing positive momentum in net move-ins with consecutive month increases in physical occupancy in August, September and October. We expect these physical occupancy increases to translate into sequential same-store growth and financial occupancy in the fourth quarter as compared to the third quarter.

While our CFFO will not include approximately $750,000 related to the sale of the 2 noncore communities, we expect our fourth quarter results to show improvement from the third quarter due to higher same-store occupancy, lower utilities expense due to seasonality, and as Kim noted, we're committed to significantly reducing our contract labor cost.

While the environment remains challenging, our focus is fully on stabilizing and investing in our operations. We've done a lot of the difficult work in the first 9 months of this year, and we will continue to be persistent in taking the actions necessary to drive stronger results going forward.

We're working diligently to build a company that will have a consistent, high-quality product across its portfolio, which we're confident will lead to financial results that are strong, reliable and predictable.

We're operating with a tremendous sense of urgency and expect the momentum building in our operations to continue into the fourth quarter.

Now I'll turn it back over to Kim.

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Kimberly S. Lody, Capital Senior Living Corporation - President, CEO & Director [4]

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Thanks, Carey. Reestablishing the fundamentals of our business will be an ongoing process as we execute on the key elements of our transformational strategy of Stabilize, Invest, Nurture and Grow to drive long-term value for all of our stakeholders.

For the past several months, we've been operating with laser focus, precision and urgency on 5 key areas of stabilization: one, improving the quality of our product and services by investing in our people and our communities; two, establishing robust systems and analytics to provide real-time insights to the business and achieve sustainable forecast accuracy; three, enhancing and upgrading our operational leadership; four, implementing programs and tools to attract, retain and develop high-quality talent; and five, utilizing our unique scale and best practices to drive sustainable long-term operational efficiencies.

It will take time to fully realize these improvements across the enterprise, but we firmly believe in the strength and execution of our plan. Our actions are beginning to deliver the impact we want and that will be evident in future period results.

I'll now open the lines for questions.

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Questions and Answers

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Operator [1]

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(Operator Instructions) We'll now take our first question from Chad Vanacore from Stifel.

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Chad Christopher Vanacore, Stifel, Nicolaus & Company, Incorporated, Research Division - Senior Analyst [2]

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So I'm thinking about occupancy, and normally, there is a seasonal lift in Q3. There are some sequential declines, but you had warned us that would happen. Now I want to think about how much of that occupancy do you get back in the fourth quarter. So where does occupancy stand today? And is it continuing a trend of moving up from Q3 lows?

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Carey P. Hendrickson, Capital Senior Living Corporation - Executive VP & CFO [3]

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Chad, this is Carey. It has -- it increased a bit in October, about 20 to 30 basis points is what we anticipate, that will happen in October versus September. So -- and we -- as we noted, we've had increases in August, September and October.

So the August increase was less than the September increase, and the September and October increases were both meaningful increases. And so we saw some lift in this in September and more lift in October. And we would expect, again, another lift in November in our occupancy.

And I will just say, November, obviously it's very early November, but it is trending similar to how October and September trended in the first part of the month.

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Chad Christopher Vanacore, Stifel, Nicolaus & Company, Incorporated, Research Division - Senior Analyst [4]

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Okay. That's good color. Just thinking about margins, they were weak in Q3. Should we be thinking about any nonrecurring cost that we can consider that might normalize going forward? Anything related to your cost-savings initiatives?

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Carey P. Hendrickson, Capital Senior Living Corporation - Executive VP & CFO [5]

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What we've had -- and if you look at our cost, we -- I think for the most part, there's not much on the operating expense side. There is some nonrecurring, if you will, cost in our G&A, but not really from an operating standpoint. So most of those costs are pretty fixed and set going forward. Now we are doing a lot to try to manage those contract labor costs, as we noted, which will result in improvements in our margin.

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Kimberly S. Lody, Capital Senior Living Corporation - President, CEO & Director [6]

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Yes. Chad, I'll just jump in here. From an operating perspective, we are very focused on decreasing contract labor to a very minimal point by the end of this year. So we expect to continue to see improvements in that over the fourth quarter.

And we've already made the wage adjustments and investments in our direct labor that we think will allow us to deliver those reductions in the contract labor.

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Chad Christopher Vanacore, Stifel, Nicolaus & Company, Incorporated, Research Division - Senior Analyst [7]

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All right. Just staying with labor for a second. And how's your full-time employee turnover trending?

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Kimberly S. Lody, Capital Senior Living Corporation - President, CEO & Director [8]

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Turnover spiked early in the year as you might imagine. As we've mentioned, we've made quite a lot of changes in the operational and sales team. So we did have a spike in turnover back in the March-April time period, but it has been steadily declining since that period, and we're very happy with our employee turnover and retention here in the last 3 months.

So we feel like we are in a period of stabilization of our employee base, and we actually expect that will continue to get even better.

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Chad Christopher Vanacore, Stifel, Nicolaus & Company, Incorporated, Research Division - Senior Analyst [9]

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All right. And then since you welcomed Brandon aboard, Brandon, welcome aboard. You're actually available for questions, so they've put a target on you. You've been to 20 communities to date. What are some of common low-hanging fruits that you're seeing across those communities? And where can you actually improve performance?

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Brandon M. Ribar, Capital Senior Living Corporation - COO [10]

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Well, I think, as Kim mentioned, so much of what's been done earlier in the year is beginning to have an impact to the positive. So I think for our team, really focusing on continued practices around community outreach and lead generation and then also the speed to respond, those are areas that we've seen recent success as Kim mentioned. And so continuing to focus on those is really important.

And then I would also say just on the labor side of the world, the investments that have been made and the increasing of wages in specific markets, ensuring that those are returning on a very near-term basis to stabilize our workforce and to realize those, as Kim mentioned, those continued declines in contract labor utilization.

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Chad Christopher Vanacore, Stifel, Nicolaus & Company, Incorporated, Research Division - Senior Analyst [11]

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So what do you want to do to take that lead generation increase and convert those to new move-ins?

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Brandon M. Ribar, Capital Senior Living Corporation - COO [12]

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So I'd say we're already seeing it, as Kim and Carey have both mentioned, in terms of the month-over-month net move-in increases. So the -- with the increased community outreach and seeing additional lead generation through both kind of internal and external sources, and then just sticking with the practices that some of the newer executive directors and sales directors have been implementing. I know we will continue to see what we expect to be ongoing improvement in those areas.

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Kimberly S. Lody, Capital Senior Living Corporation - President, CEO & Director [13]

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And Chad, I'll just add that we saw really great results with the pilot program that we did over that 12-week period in those 12 communities. And that was a lot about blocking and tackling, and like Brandon mentioned, speed to response -- to respond and making sure that our responses really nurture those leads through the process and results in move-ins, which we saw a significant lift in those 12 communities.

So one of our main priorities here in the fourth quarter and the coming months is to ensure that we anchor those same principles from that pilot in the rest of our portfolio, so they can see the same types of benefits.

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Operator [14]

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We'll now take our next question from Joanna Gajuk from Bank of America.

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Joanna Sylvia Gajuk, BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division - VP [15]

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So thanks for the color around occupancy improvements in the last 3 months, and I guess into November. So on that front, can you talk about pricing in terms of your rent increases you anticipate for in-place residents? And any color on the level of the discounting that you've seen this quarter and you're planning to Q4?

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Kimberly S. Lody, Capital Senior Living Corporation - President, CEO & Director [16]

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Yes. I'll jump in first, and then Carey can add some color as well. So Joanna, we have -- we've been sort of fighting this occupancy decline here over the course of the year. And generally speaking, those residents as they are moving out, they have a higher rate associated with them because they are at a higher acuity level and need more levels of care. So the move-ins, the folks that are coming in are coming in with less acuity and less of those care needs. So the rate is lower on the move-in side.

Now we have implemented about a 3% in-place rate increase throughout the year. But when you take the combination of all of those things together, the net is that rates have been flat, which we're really pleased with.

We feel good that our level of discounting is appropriate and well managed. Our teams are selling the value of our communities and the services we provide versus engaging in sort of a price battle in the marketplace because that's not constructive, and certainly, not helpful for the long term. So we feel good about that.

And then on the concession side of things, those are also very well managed. We've mentioned a couple of times before, our sales teams have a toolbox that they are able to utilize that sort of put some guardrails on those concessions, but allows them the flexibility that they need to encourage move-ins and occupancy with the prospects that they're working with.

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Joanna Sylvia Gajuk, BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division - VP [17]

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So would you say that next year you would expect all-in rates growing?

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Kimberly S. Lody, Capital Senior Living Corporation - President, CEO & Director [18]

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Yes. I mean we plan to have similar in-place rent increases. One thing to note is that ours occur on a rolling basis. So that doesn't all occur on January 1. So the rent -- in-place rent increases occur as the leases end and roll-off and then renew. So we would expect to have a similar 3-ish percent rent increase. But of course, it very much depends on the market conditions in which each of our communities operate. Where we have occupancy challenges, we probably will have lesser increases, and where we are operating in a really stabilized fashion and have high occupancy, we'll probably take a bit higher of rent increases.

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Carey P. Hendrickson, Capital Senior Living Corporation - Executive VP & CFO [19]

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Yes. And Joanna, we'll talk more about 2020 on our next call, our fourth quarter earnings call, but I think if -- to Kim's point about the move-outs having really higher rates than the move-ins because of the level of care fees that are associated with those move-outs, if we continue to decrease the move-outs, that's going to help lift our rates in 2020 as well. So we'll provide more color on that as we get into the fourth quarter conference call, but we look forward to discussing 2020 then.

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Joanna Sylvia Gajuk, BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division - VP [20]

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That's right. And then just to stay on that topic, as Kim just mentioned something about different, I guess, rents, I guess, procedures depending on the asset. So last quarter, you kind of gave us some stats around the mix in our portfolio of those assets with above 85% occupancy and below. So I don't know whether I missed that or can you provide a similar kind of stat as of third quarter?

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Carey P. Hendrickson, Capital Senior Living Corporation - Executive VP & CFO [21]

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Yes. We didn't provide that information this time, Joanna, but I can look that up and get that to you, certainly, after the call.

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Joanna Sylvia Gajuk, BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division - VP [22]

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Okay, that's helpful. And the last question for me would be in terms of CapEx. Your plans, I guess going forward in terms of what you're budgeting for the upcoming quarter and going forward?

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Carey P. Hendrickson, Capital Senior Living Corporation - Executive VP & CFO [23]

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Yes. So we've had about $14.3 million in CapEx so far this year. I think that we'll probably end up near the -- probably the $17 million to $18 million range for 2019. And that's going to allow us to continue to, obviously, take care of our buildings, but importantly, do some -- continue to do some high-impact refreshes at certain communities that are not very overly expensive, but are impactful.

And so we think we'll be able to do a little bit more of that in the fourth quarter, but be it somewhere around $18 million, I'd say, for the full year.

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Joanna Sylvia Gajuk, BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division - VP [24]

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Okay, great. And just one quick follow-up. Did I hear right, you talk about the revenue contribution of the 2 assets that you sold October 1, was it $700,000?

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Carey P. Hendrickson, Capital Senior Living Corporation - Executive VP & CFO [25]

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The $750,000 is related -- that is how much their CFFO contribution was on a quarterly basis.

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Joanna Sylvia Gajuk, BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division - VP [26]

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And the revenue?

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Carey P. Hendrickson, Capital Senior Living Corporation - Executive VP & CFO [27]

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Yes. And the revenue for those 2 communities -- the revenue for those 2 communities on an annual basis was about $9.5 million.

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Joanna Sylvia Gajuk, BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division - VP [28]

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$9.5 million. All right, that's annual. Okay. And the $750,000 is a quarterly CFFO contribution?

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Carey P. Hendrickson, Capital Senior Living Corporation - Executive VP & CFO [29]

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That's right. Yes. So about $3 million on annual basis.

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Operator [30]

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I now would like to pass the call back to our speakers.

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Kimberly S. Lody, Capital Senior Living Corporation - President, CEO & Director [31]

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Okay, great. Thank you. In closing, I'd like to thank our shareholders, vendors and residents for their support. I'd also like to thank our 7,000 dedicated employees for all that they do each day to enhance and enrich the lives of our residents. You are the centerpiece of our success.

This concludes today's conference. Thank you, everyone, and have a great day.

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Operator [32]

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Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.