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Edited Transcript of ENI.MI earnings conference call or presentation 25-Oct-19 10:00am GMT

Q3 2019 Eni SpA Earnings Call

San Donato Milanese Oct 30, 2019 (Thomson StreetEvents) -- Edited Transcript of Eni SpA earnings conference call or presentation Friday, October 25, 2019 at 10:00:00am GMT

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Corporate Participants

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* Alessandro Puliti

Eni S.p.A. - Chief Upstream Officer

* Cristian Signoretto

Eni S.p.A. - Chief Gas & Lng Marketing & Power Officer

* Giuseppe Ricci

Eni S.p.A. - Chief Refining & Marketing Officer

* Massimo Mondazzi

Eni S.p.A. - CFO

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Conference Call Participants

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* Alessandro Pozzi

Mediobanca - Banca di credito finanziario S.p.A., Research Division - Research Analyst

* Biraj Borkhataria

RBC Capital Markets, LLC, Research Division - Analyst

* Christyan Fawzi Malek

JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division - MD and Head of the EMEA Oil & Gas Equity Research

* Irene Himona

Societe Generale Cross Asset Research - Equity Analyst

* Jason Gammel

Jefferies LLC, Research Division - MD & Senior Equity Research Analyst

* Martijn Rats

Morgan Stanley, Research Division - MD and Head of Oil Research

* Massimo Bonisoli

Equita SIM S.p.A., Research Division - Analyst

* Thomas Yoichi Adolff

Crédit Suisse AG, Research Division - Head of European Oil & Gas Equity Research and Director

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Presentation

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Operator [1]

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Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Eni's Third Quarter Results Conference Call hosted by Mr. Massimo Mondazzi, Chief Financial Officer.

(Operator Instructions) I will now hand you over to your host to begin today's conference. Thank you.

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Massimo Mondazzi, Eni S.p.A. - CFO [2]

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Good afternoon, and welcome to Eni's 9 months results. Before turning to our results, I would like to highlight Eni's new mission. We are determined to contribute to the achievement of the UN Sustainable Development Goals and bring about a just energy transition. The new mission is the foundation of the company's business model, which focuses on long-term inclusive development for our company and its host countries, considering all the sustainable development goals. In line with this mission, we already taken a number of commitments over the medium and long term, including 0 net carbon emissions for the upstream by 2030. At the next strategy presentation, beginning of 2020, we will provide a further update on our targets and energy transition path.

And now the results. In the first 9 months of 2019, we continue to consolidate our strategy and enhance our cash generation. We generated EUR 9.4 billion of operating cash flow, 5% growth versus 2018, notwithstanding the lower oil and gas scenario.

With CapEx at EUR 5.6 billion, we generated underlying organic free cash flow before working capital of EUR 3.8 billion, which more than covers the full year dividend and buyback. Leverage was 25% at the end of September, following the closing the acquisition of 20% stake in ADNOC Refining and the payment of the interim dividend in the quarter.

In 2019, share buyback continues with purchases for 2/3 of the planned EUR 400 million target already completed. Upstream production increased to 1.85 million BOE, up 2%, the same price and perimeter thanks to our start-ups in Algeria, Egypt, Norway, the new field in Mexico and the ramp-up of Zohr.

Exploration continues to create new opportunities for future developments. During the 9 months, we discovered 650 million BOE of equity resources at the special cost of $1.1 per barrel. In the coming months, we plan further exploration activities in Mexico, Egypt, Norway and Angola. Gas & Power performance was robust, notwithstanding the lower LNG price level, thanks to gas price volatility and the growth in the retail customer base.

In Downstream, we posted strong marketing result, while Refining has been impacted by the narrowing of crude differentials. Chemical results were impacted by weak product demand and by worsening of elastomer and styrenic margins. On renewables, we have 150 megawatt under construction, and we are targeting to have 190 megawatt of capacity by year-end.

Before turning to the results, I would like to highlight our key strategic achievements this year, starting with Angola, a country which plays a key role in any strategy for organic growth. Our exploration team has discovered in the last 18 months around 2 billion barrel of oil in place in Block 15/06 in 5 main fields. In line with our fast track development approach, we are planning to put into production Agogo by year-end, just 8 months from its discovery, thanks to its proximity to the existing N'Goma FPSO. The development strategy envisages a phased approach. Daily production expected oil flow rate is 20,000 BOE, about [7] in our share, with wells connected by a subsea tieback to the West Hub existing subsea facilities. We are planning a second phase for early production, incorporating 2 producing wells and 2 injectors, whilst evaluating the fulfill development.

Turning to Norway. Var Energi with the announced acquisition of Exxon's upstream asset continues to expand its material and diversified portfolio of oil and gas-producing asset, development projects and attractive exploration licenses. Var Energi will become the second largest E&P company in Norway with total reserves and resources of around 1.9 billion BOE. Total production is expected to be around 300,000 BOE per day at year-end 2019, growing organically to more than 350,000 BOE per day in 2023 as the company invest about USD 7 billion in development projects such as Johan Castberg, Balder X and Grand in the period of 2023. The new acquired portfolio is a strategic fit for Var Energi and will add interest in more than 20 producing fields in the North Sea and Norwegian sea, allowing the attraction of commercial as well as logistical synergies. The breakeven of the new acquired asset is around $24 per barrel and brings Var Energi overall breakeven down to around $27 per barrel.

Overall, OpEx per barrel benefits for around $1 from the deal and will fall to $9 per barrel. The acquired portfolio also contains 2 projects for CO2 emission reduction of around 1.1 million tonne per annum from a CCS plant in (inaudible) as well as the wind farm Snorre. Finally, the carbon intensity of the acquired production is half the Eni's existing portfolio, averaging at around 10 tonnes CO2-equivalent per thousand BOE in the next 10 years. This deal is self-financed, is free cash flow accretive for Var Energi and underpins a growing dividend to Var Energi shareholders in the coming years. The deal has an effective date, January 1, 2019, and is expected to be completed in the fourth quarter this year.

In Abu Dhabi, we achieved another strategic result with the completion of the acquisition of 20% stake in ADNOC Refining. This deal increases our overall refining capacity by 35% and offers a number of advantages, a state-of-the-art technology plant and the ambitious investment plan that will lead Ruwais to be the second largest refining complex in the world. It is located near asset-producing all types of crudes, along with low cost of natural gas, about 1/3 of the European levels. It is efficient and flexible and able to process crudes at low cost. This will allow it to benefit from the application of the IMO regulation. It is in a geographically central position, ideal for trading activities. And additionally, it strengthens the relationship with ADNOC along the value chain.

Furthermore, the new developments are expected to be entirely self-financed by the revenues of the refinery. This asset will be equity accounted and will contribute to our cash flow thanks to an attractive dividend distribution policy. In the upstream Ghasha concession, where Eni is currently involved as a technical leader with a participating interest of 25%, we recently took the final investment decision for the Dalma gas development that we'll start tapping 2022, with a peak gross production of about 50,000 BOE per day.

And now back to the quarter result. In Upstream, we recorded our highest ever production in a Q3. Our growth was 6% year-on-year, adjusted for price and portfolio. This impressive growth was driven by start-ups in Egypt, Algeria, Norway and Mexico and the continued ramp-up of Zohr and projects in Libya and Ghana. Production in the 9 months reached 1.85 million BOE, plus 2%, thanks to the same effects. 9 months EBIT declined by 17%, mainly as a result of the weaker scenario which accounted for EUR 1.5 billion. In particular, scenario affected the result as follows: Lower oil price for around 1.2 billion; lower gas prices, mainly in Europe, for a total of around 700 million, of which more than 500 million in the third quarter; and positive ForEx for around 400 million. On a comparable basis, upstream EBIT in the 9 months grew by 7%, thanks to the increased volumes and better mix, supported by the quality of new production.

Moving to mid-downstream. Gas & Power 9 months EBIT was robust at EUR 511 million. In particular, the mid-gas GLP reached EUR 349 million, mainly thanks to an effective optimization of our portfolio of European gas assets, which benefited from the volatile market. The positive gas performance has offset the lower result from LNG in a low global price scenario. Retail delivered an EBIT of EUR 162 million, almost 50% higher versus last year, thanks to commercial initiatives and efficiency. The refining and marketing result grew to the marketing that was the driver -- the driver -- sorry, of the result, with a contribution of EUR 552 million. Whilst in Refining, the narrow differential between Ural and Brent was only partially offset by the higher SERM, our margin.

Finally, the Gela bioplant is ramping up, whilst the EST restart is now expected early next year.

Versalis, the chemical business, was impacted by a depressed scenario for elastomers and styrenics that accounting for half of the 9 months losses. As commented in the second quarter, the Priolo offset accounted for the remaining losses.

Coming to the consolidated financial results. Cash flow from operations before working capital at EUR 9.4 billion was 5% higher than last year driven by the industrial performance improvements that accounting for EUR 0.6 billion, a weaker scenario for negative EUR 0.9 billion and remaining positive contribution coming from the IFRS 16 first application and other one-off effects. This cash generation of EUR 9.4 billion more than covered the 9 months CapEx of EUR 5.6 billion and the 2019 shareholder remuneration, including both the full year dividend and EUR 400 million of buyback. Working capital that increased in the third quarter in line with our assumption is expected to recover in the fourth quarter, confirming the full year guidance for cash absorption of few hundred million euro. The group's net adjusted result was EUR 2.3 billion in the 9 months.

And finally, a brief summary of our full year guidance. We confirm our production guidance in the range of 1.87 million to 1.88 million BOE per day and upgrade our exploration target to 700 million BOE from 600 million BOE previously. Following the solid result of Gas & Power so far, we are also upgrading the full year EBIT guidance by EUR 100 million to EUR 600 million. In Refining & Marketing, the crude differential in 2019 has been lower than our budget expectations and determines a revision of this year pro forma EBIT guidance to EUR 400 million.

Cash flow from operations is growing in line with our 2019 guidance of EUR 12.8 billion at budget scenario. The main difference between the budget and current scenario is the lower gas price, which will impact the full year for around minus EUR 800 million. In term of CapEx, we confirm that we expect to be below our initial target of EUR 8 billion. And finally, leverage at 25% at the end of September is expected to return towards 20% in the coming quarters.

And now I'm ready to answer any question you may have, together with my colleagues.

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Questions and Answers

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Operator [1]

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(Operator Instructions) The first question is from Mr. Alessandro Pozzi of Mediobanca.

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Alessandro Pozzi, Mediobanca - Banca di credito finanziario S.p.A., Research Division - Research Analyst [2]

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The first question is on the I&M. I believe the new guidance includes a contribution from ADNOC. I was wondering if you can maybe talk about how much you have there for ADNOC. The second one, I believe, the DD&A went a little bit up in Q3. I was wondering, even on a per-barrel-adjusted basis, if that is the right number to use going forward. That's all for me.

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Massimo Mondazzi, Eni S.p.A. - CFO [3]

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Okay. So I confirm that in the guidance, we already including the first contribution from ADNOC that it is expecting the range of EUR 50 million. And as far as the DD&A, our DD&A in the range of $10, $11 per barrel, we expect this number remain steady in the future.

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Alessandro Pozzi, Mediobanca - Banca di credito finanziario S.p.A., Research Division - Research Analyst [4]

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On ADNOC, the EUR 50 million is mainly in Q4, I guess?

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Massimo Mondazzi, Eni S.p.A. - CFO [5]

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Yes, yes.

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Operator [6]

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Next question is from Biraj Borkhataria of Royal Bank of Canada.

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Biraj Borkhataria, RBC Capital Markets, LLC, Research Division - Analyst [7]

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I just wanted to clarify on your cash flow guidance. Did you say that as we mark-to-market for European gas prices, we should take EUR 800 million of the EUR 12.8 billion cash flow guidance? That would be the first question. Just a bit of clarity on that. And then on Var Energi, could you say anything about the CapEx associated with the new assets acquired? Because I think previously, you've talked about EUR 8 billion spend over a 5- year period for the previous portfolio. But what do the new -- what do the new assets add?

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Massimo Mondazzi, Eni S.p.A. - CFO [8]

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Okay. So I don't have the breakdown. Talking about the CapEx of Var Energi, I don't have the breakdown per asset. But what we expect 100% is an expenditure in the range of $7 billion to develop the final stage of Johan Castberg, Balder X and Grand. So this is the order of magnitude. And in term of cash flow from operation guidance, yes, I said that the EUR 12.8 billion was based on the budget scenario. And the current scenario is more or less in line as far as the oil, while the gas, mainly the European gas, so I'm talking about the [PSV] and TTF as well as the NBP is much lower as you have seen from the numbers. And we expect that using the current scenario, we are going to lose EUR 800 million out of the cash flow from operations. So all in all, today, with the current scenario, we expect, as a cash flow from operation, something in the range of EUR 12 billion, slightly low than EUR 12 billion.

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Biraj Borkhataria, RBC Capital Markets, LLC, Research Division - Analyst [9]

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That's very clear. Just a quick follow-up on the CapEx, that $7 billion, is that on the same period that you show in the slide, i.e., out to 2023?

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Massimo Mondazzi, Eni S.p.A. - CFO [10]

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Yes, $7 billion, 2023.

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Operator [11]

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The next question is from Irene Himona of SocGen.

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Irene Himona, Societe Generale Cross Asset Research - Equity Analyst [12]

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Just first one to clarify, if you can, please. You mentioned the ADNOC contribution this year is EUR 50 million. Would that be the dividend you expect or a share of net income as an active affiliate? And secondly, on Var Energi, is there some guidance you can provide on full year 2019 dividend receipts, please?

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Massimo Mondazzi, Eni S.p.A. - CFO [13]

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Okay. As far as the Var Energi dividend received in 2019, so in 2019, Var Energi distributed $1.7 billion. So 70% is our share. And as far as the ADNOC contribution, I said EUR 50 million mainly in the fourth quarter, but due to the fact that the overall result is expected to be negative for ADNOC Refining this year because of the restart of the FCC that took place this year, definitely there will be no dividend that remain expected starting from 2020.

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Operator [14]

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Next question is from Jason Gammel of Jefferies.

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Jason Gammel, Jefferies LLC, Research Division - MD & Senior Equity Research Analyst [15]

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I also have questions on Var Energi. I believe that the Exxon transaction was fully funded with debt. Please correct me if I'm wrong on that. So can you talk a little bit about what the balance sheet leverage now looks like for Var, anything related to net debt-to-capital or the debt relative to cash from operations. And then the second question, are you able to speak to who retained the abandonment liability on the Exxon assets in that transaction?

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Massimo Mondazzi, Eni S.p.A. - CFO [16]

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So in term of liability, I would say, the amount of liability is not a big number, and there's not a big issue on the evaluation. If I remember correctly, we expect to start to spend a material amount of money from 2033 on. So definitely in the next 10 years, we don't have any kind of significant material expenditure in our radar screen.

And the other question was about the Var. Oh, I don't have with me the detailed balance sheet structure, but definitely I can confirm that the acquisition is fully funded by the company throughout an RBL. So I would say more than, if it could help you, more than measuring the effect in term of balance sheet, definitely it should be measured. The amount of debt should be measured on the relevance of the reserves underlying the financing that definitely are enough to justify the full finance of the purchase price. But anyway, I'll let you know the composition of the balance sheet later on.

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Operator [17]

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Next question is from Thomas Adolff from Crédit Suisse.

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Thomas Yoichi Adolff, Crédit Suisse AG, Research Division - Head of European Oil & Gas Equity Research and Director [18]

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I've got 3 questions, please. Just firstly on Var as well, could you perhaps comment how much Var contributed to the bottom line in the third quarter as well as in the first 9 months of the year? And once the Exxon deal is completed, perhaps since you're doubling the business, you can also comment on what sort of a dividend we can expect from Var next year. We did see a special dividend in 2019.

Secondly, just on Zohr, on a gross basis, the 2.7 Bcf per day of production you are seeing at the moment, is that the ceiling for the domestic market? And what does it take to get you to the 3.2? Do you need to have the Damietta liquefaction facility available for exports?

And then finally, just a question on the Green Refinery in Gela. 750,000 tonnes of biodiesel, perhaps you can comment a bit on the potential profitability of this facility because 750,000 is quite substantial if we take Neste's profitability, but presumably, you're not processing as much second-generation feedstock as Neste. Any color on that would be great.

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Massimo Mondazzi, Eni S.p.A. - CFO [19]

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Okay, Thomas. So I give you the answer to the first question, and then I leave the room to my colleagues to answer the following one. So in term of contribution from Var Energi to our cash flow in the third quarter, the answer is 0 because all the dividend, you remember that we -- the way we consolidate such a participation is throughout the equity account. So cash flow to the dividend. So the contribution in the third quarter is 0 because we distributed -- the company distributed the full dividend in the first and second quarter and the amount, our share in euro we received is 540 first quarter and the same amount in the second quarter.

In term of how the Exxon asset acquisition could be -- could help, could be accretive in the dividend distribution in the following year, we expect that the additional contribution could be, starting from 2020, in the range of 100 million, growing up later on in line with the production growth. And then I leave the floor to Alessandro Puliti to answer, maybe together with Cristian Signoretto, talking about Damietta to answer the Zohr question. And then I leave the floor to Ricci to answer your question about the Green Refinery.

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Alessandro Puliti, Eni S.p.A. - Chief Upstream Officer [20]

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Okay. So current production potential from Zohr is 2.7 Bcf per day, and by the end of the year, with the completion of the 14th and the 15th producer well, we will reach a potential of around 3 billion standard cubic feet per day in terms of potential. And at the beginning of 2020, we will then be ready to produce even 3.2 billion standard cubic feet per day. This is the situation regarding production capacity from the Zohr field. Then I leave the floor to Cristian.

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Cristian Signoretto, Eni S.p.A. - Chief Gas & Lng Marketing & Power Officer [21]

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Well, on the Damietta, I mean, I think we have said it many times, so we are actively engaged with all the party involved. So the government and Naturgy to get the plant up and running and solve the long-standing issues on the arbitration. And to answer your question, clearly, I mean, adding Damietta, let's say, in production, would surely, let's say, reduce the risk of oversupply in the country even if, let's say, the demand is robust, and the export to neighbor countries has restarted. But surely, Damietta will reduce that risk.

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Massimo Mondazzi, Eni S.p.A. - CFO [22]

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Just to complete the answer about the production. So the one that has been mentioned by Alessandro is the capacity. Up to now, we got a contribution in 100% that has been in the range of 2.3, 2.4. And we expect that even in the fourth quarter, the production will remain slightly the same because of the oversupply that we see today in the market. We see a growing demand domestically speaking, and we see, by definition, a positive effect from the Damietta restart that we sincerely expect not so long in time. And then I leave the floor to Ricci to answer your question about Gela.

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Giuseppe Ricci, Eni S.p.A. - Chief Refining & Marketing Officer [23]

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We expect a significant contribution by the Green Refinery of Gela. And because mainly we are seeing an increase in the market of HVO in parallel with the increasing of the obligation due to the RED Directive, European RED Directive, and mainly for the RED II starting from 2021. And just in this week in the European government, they are discussing for a possible further improvement of the obligation of a green fuels in parallel with the ambition to anticipate the decarbonization to 2030. So we expect a good market. And so the high production of Gela refinery, that is 750 kilotons per year, the feedstock, the HVO is the [heels], the 70%, 75% of the -- of it, but there is a market.

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Thomas Yoichi Adolff, Crédit Suisse AG, Research Division - Head of European Oil & Gas Equity Research and Director [24]

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Just can I go back to the first question on Var? Just to clarify the answer you gave. So as far as the dividend is concerned, you received EUR 1 billion in 2019. What can we expect from Var Energi in 2020 now that the business is substantially bigger following the acquisition of Exxon's assets?

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Massimo Mondazzi, Eni S.p.A. - CFO [25]

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The expectation would be to receive a dividend that should be in the range of 100%, 900 million and [150 million]. So 70% of that number is the reasonable expectation in 2020. And the -- as I said, especially because of the production increase from Johan Castberg, the starting up of Balder X, we expect a growing production from 2020 to 2023. So we see the additional contribution coming from this additional production. We see an increase in such amount of dividend later on.

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Operator [26]

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The next question is from Martijn Rats of Morgan Stanley.

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Martijn Rats, Morgan Stanley, Research Division - MD and Head of Oil Research [27]

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I've got two small ones, if I may. In the production guidance, there's a reference to Venezuela and you say that some of the uncertainty range of the production guidance is due to some uncertainty in the country. And I was wondering if you could give an update and perhaps some commentary about what you're seeing in Venezuela and anything you can say to shine some light on what the production outlook could be there. And also, in the result, there is a reference to a EUR 330 million payment, a one-off payment related to the settlement of an arbitration. I was wondering what that is. And also whether that number is in the cash flow statement included in the working capital changes that you mentioned. I just want to make sure that we don't correct for it twice.

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Massimo Mondazzi, Eni S.p.A. - CFO [28]

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Yes, the arbitration is Pascagoula arbitration and is a part of the working capital change. And as far as Venezuela, so we just -- we said that in our production guidance, we embedded a production in the range of 40,000 BOE per day that correspond, more or less to 370, 380 standard cubic feet, million cubic feet per day. Today we are running a bit lower than this. So instead of 40, we are 36, 37. So that's the reason why we kept the guidance unchanged. In term of -- so by definition, the revenue today are lower than expected, so less than the EUR 300 million per year -- $300 million per years. And in term of how much of this revenue are cashed in, in 2019, we expect to cash in more or less 25% of this number. So very much in line with the expectation we had since the budget time.

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Operator [29]

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The final question is from Christyan Malek of JPMorgan.

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Christyan Fawzi Malek, JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division - MD and Head of the EMEA Oil & Gas Equity Research [30]

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First of all, just 2 please. One downstream. What are the key drivers that will generate the EUR 260 million of EBIT into Q4 and just sort of made the guidance around EUR 400 million. And just around IMO, I mean, how quick does Eni's business sort of adapt to the fuel specification requirements? What proportion of Eni's E&P oil production is light low sulfur? And I guess the question is how material could the benefit be if Eni -- if IMO widened the light heavy crude spreads?

And the second is questions around your buyback framework. Beyond the EUR 400 million commitment to '19, how do you think about the leverage oil price thresholds? [You said before] you've obviously got EUR 400 million per annum on a $60 to $65 Brent, EUR 800 million per annum above $65. But just given the volatility sub-$60, I'd just like to understand how we should think about into the sort of the buyback outlook in periods it falls below $60.

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Massimo Mondazzi, Eni S.p.A. - CFO [31]

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Okay. So I give you the answer about the buyback, and then I'll leave the floor to Ricci to answer your question about the expectation about the fourth quarter result in R&M. So you remember correctly that we linked our buyback to the level of Brent as well as the leverage. So now end of September, our leverage is in the range of 25% because of the peak of the cash out. I mentioned the 20% stake in other refinery payment as well as the interim dividend payment that took place in September. So the expectation would be to see a reduction in such a leverage by year-end, by definition, and we see the leverage back in the range of 20% in the coming quarters.

So as we said that the buyback policy was based on the steady expectation forward about the buyback, I would say nothing changed versus the moment in which we launched the buyback. So we feel confident that the leverage would be in the money in term of buyback. In term of oil price, it will be more precise when we present, where we'll present the strategy presentation, could be second half of February 2020. But probably if you see the forward curve today, you will have an indication about what the oil price we assume will be. So by definition, higher than today, speaking with the today numbers higher than $60 per barrel. And then I'll leave the floor to (inaudible) Ricci.

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Giuseppe Ricci, Eni S.p.A. - Chief Refining & Marketing Officer [32]

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About the IMO regulation, now we are seeing the effect on the spread. In fact, the spread between the low-sulfur and the high-sulfur fuel oil is increasing and is reaching $150, so that it is a very, very significative spread. As for the gas oil, fuel oil, the difference is continuously now more than $300 per tonne. With this spread, it is mandatory to produce a low-sulfur fuel oil and in our system, with the contribution of Taranto refinery that to produce a low-sulfur fuel oil. The contribution of Milazzo refinery [with as refining] that produce a low-sulfur fuel oil, and they incoming -- restarting of EST in Sannazzaro, we cover all the conversion to low-sulfur fuel oil or 0 high-sulfur fuel oil. In the fourth quarter, we expect to complete the new arrangement for the production of the 0.5% sulfur fuel oil for the distribution of the market of the new product.

And the result of the refining system in the fourth quarter is expected more or less in breakeven or slightly positive.

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Operator [33]

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The final question is from Massimo Bonisoli of Equita.

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Massimo Bonisoli, Equita SIM S.p.A., Research Division - Analyst [34]

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2 questions left. You had stronger results in marketing in R&M division. If you can give us some color on that performance considering the flat volumes in retail. The second question, you mentioned at the beginning of the presentation, the new mission of Eni on sustainability and energy transition. I don't want to spoil your new strategic presentation, but should we expect some sizable increase in CapEx from the EUR 33 billion you announce in March this year for the 4-year plan?

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Massimo Mondazzi, Eni S.p.A. - CFO [35]

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Okay. So I'll leave the floor to (inaudible) Ricci to answer your question about the marketing, and then I'll give you the answer...

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Giuseppe Ricci, Eni S.p.A. - Chief Refining & Marketing Officer [36]

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About the marketing, the good result are 450 million, not 550 million, 450 million. Very, very good, drived by the retail, both Italian and abroad retail and mainly drived in the summer season due to many, many factors. First of all, we have booster the sale of our premium product and it is a plus that included the 15% of HVO. And we have an increase of [the sell] compared with the past year of more than 30%. And the second, we are adding to the service station a lot of services, non-oil, that are contributing to the overall result. The margin are maintaining in all period very good. And the overall combination of this factor boosted the result.

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Massimo Mondazzi, Eni S.p.A. - CFO [37]

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Okay. So in term of mission, I would say, you said that you don't want to spoil, but in summary, I think it would be fair saying that in February, March when we are going to present the new mission, you will see clear idea about how to get -- how to reach the transition, complying with the mission target, so clear idea about how to get there. But I would say no CapEx increase as far as the next 4 years [maneuvering].

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Operator [38]

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Mr. Mondazzi, there are no more questions registered, sir.

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Massimo Mondazzi, Eni S.p.A. - CFO [39]

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Okay. Thank you very much, everyone. Bye-bye.