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Edited Transcript of EPC earnings conference call or presentation 10-Feb-20 1:00pm GMT

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Q1 2020 Edgewell Personal Care Co Earnings Call ST. LOUIS Feb 14, 2020 (Thomson StreetEvents) -- Edited Transcript of Edgewell Personal Care Co earnings conference call or presentation Monday, February 10, 2020 at 1:00:00pm GMT TEXT version of Transcript ================================================================================ Corporate Participants ================================================================================ * Chris Gough Edgewell Personal Care Company - VP of IR, Corporate Development & Treasury * Daniel J. Sullivan Edgewell Personal Care Company - CFO * Rod R. Little Edgewell Personal Care Company - President, CEO & Director ================================================================================ Conference Call Participants ================================================================================ * Ali Dibadj Sanford C. Bernstein & Co., LLC., Research Division - SVP and Senior Analyst * Faiza Alwy Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division - Research Analyst * Jason M. English Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Research Division - VP * Jonathan Patrick Feeney Consumer Edge Research, LLC - Senior Analyst of Food & HPC, Director of research and Managing Partner * Kevin Michael Grundy Jefferies LLC, Research Division - Senior VP & Equity Analyst * Nik Modi RBC Capital Markets, Research Division - MD of Tobacco, Household Products and Beverages & Lead Consumer Staples Analyst * Olivia Tong BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division - Director * Steven A. Strycula UBS Investment Bank, Research Division - Director and Equity Research Analyst * William Bates Chappell SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc., Research Division - MD ================================================================================ Presentation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Operator [1] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Good morning, and welcome to the Edgewell Personal Care Q1 2020 Earnings Conference Call. (Operator Instructions) Please note this call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Chris Gough, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Gough, Edgewell Personal Care Company - VP of IR, Corporate Development & Treasury [2] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us this morning as we discuss Edgewell's first quarter 2020 earnings. With me this morning are Rod Little, our President and Chief Executive Officer; and Dan Sullivan, our Chief Financial Officer. Rod will kick off the call and then we'll hand it over to Dan to discuss quarter 1 results and our full year 2020 outlook, and we will then transition to Q&A. This call is being recorded and will be available for replay via our website, www.edgewell.com. During the call, we may make statements about our expectations for future plans and performance. This might include future sales, earnings, advertising and promotional spending, product launches, savings and costs related to restructurings, changes to our working capital metrics, currency fluctuations, commodity costs, category value, future plans for return of capital to shareholders and more. Any such statements are forward-looking statements, which reflect our current views with respect to future events. These statements are based on assumptions and are subject to various risks and uncertainties, including those described under the caption Risk Factors in our annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended September 30, 2019, as may be amended in our quarterly results on Form 10-Q. These risks may cause our actual results to be materially different from those expressed or implied by our forward-looking statements. We do not assume any obligation to update or revise any of these forward-looking statements to reflect new events or circumstances, expect as -- except as required by law. During this call, we will refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures. These non-GAAP measures are not prepared in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles. A reconciliation of the non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are shown in our press release issued earlier today, which is available at the Investor Relations section of our website. Management believes these non-GAAP measures provide investors with valuable information on the underlying trends of our business. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Rod. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rod R. Little, Edgewell Personal Care Company - President, CEO & Director [3] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks, Chris, and good morning, everyone. In our call this morning, I'm going to focus my comments on 2 core topics. First, I will address the Harry's transaction, including our release this morning announcing that we have terminated the merger agreement. Then I will talk more broadly about Edgewell business, the journey that we're on, the positive results we continue to see and our go-forward strategic priorities. Dan will then take you through our operational and financial performance for the quarter as well as update the full year outlook. As I stated a week ago, we're obviously disappointed by the FTC's decision to seek to block the proposed transaction with Harry's. And we continue to disagree with the merits of their position. We believe that the consummation of the merger would have brought together complementary capabilities for the benefit of all of our stakeholders, including consumers. That said, given the ongoing uncertainty about the potential outcome and the required investment of resources, time and resulting distraction to our business with a continuing legal battle with the FTC would entail and after detailed deliberation with our Board of Directors on these factors, we have terminated the merger agreement. As was stated in the press release, Harry's has informed us of their intent to pursue litigation. We believe that such litigation has no merit, and I won't be commenting on this matter any further. As such, we're moving forward with the improving underlying performance of our business underpinning our confidence in our path ahead. We will build on our core strengths in technology, IP and innovation, strategically adding to our capabilities in support of brands that resonate an increased engagement with consumers and retailers, enhancing our ability to drive growth and value creation. We're committed to building a next-generation consumer products company. And while the path there will not include the Harry's business and brands, our strategic objectives remain unchanged. So let me now provide a perspective on our business, our ongoing transformation and share some insight on where we are headed. Starting with where we are today. We have a strong foundation, augmented by the progress we have made over the past 3 fiscal quarters and built on our global infrastructure, our best-in-class blade-making formulation capabilities and our compelling brands that maintain meaningful share of positions across diverse global categories as well as the company with global scale, operating in more than 20 countries with extensive retail reach across 50 markets. As such, we have a diversified revenue profile, with North America representing about 60% of our global revenue and our international business contributing 40%. This diversity is also seen across segments. And while we are well known for our Wet Shave business, the Sun and Skin Care and Feminine Care segments contribute more than 40% of our revenue. It's important to remember that while we spend considerable time discussing the U.S. men's branded Wet Shave category, it represents only 3% of our global revenue. Underpinning our business is our technology stack and intellectual property, which provide us clear competitive advantages and an ability to repeatedly bring innovation to the categories in which we compete. Consistently producing high-quality, durable blades is a requirement for the sustainable growth in the Wet Shave category, and we know that we have the ability to do that. Additionally, we have 3 different R&D facilities and a leading Sun Care formulation capability. The actions we have taken to reshape and refocus our portfolio have enhanced our position in our core categories, grooming, Sun and Skin Care and Feminine Care. With the successful divestiture of our Infant Care business now completed, we are narrowing our focus and further investing in growth in support of our stable of brands, including Schick, Wilkinson Sword, Banana Boat, Hawaiian Tropic and Playtex. And some very exciting new brands, including Bulldog and Jack Black. As you know, the Wet Shave category has encountered significant headwinds over recent years, most notably in North America. But I am encouraged by where we stand today. We think consumers care about quality and consistency of shave and believe that our high-quality products position us well in that respect. We believe there are growth opportunities in the broader men's grooming category, when you consider shave preps and soft products. Bolt-on acquisitions have played an important role for us in expanding our presence in men's grooming. And Bulldog and Jack Black are performing exceptionally well, both delivering double-digit growth and maintaining leading positions in their respective markets. Outside of the Grooming category, we have compelling growth opportunities in both Sun and fem care. Sun Care is a healthy category, and our brands maintained strong equity with consumers across the globe and meaningful market positions, especially here in the U.S. Innovation will continue to play an increasingly important role in expanding our participation in this exciting category, leveraging our strong existing portfolio of brands, while we also contemplate organic and acquired additions to the portfolio. And in our fem care business, we're in the early stages of our efforts to redefine our commercial and operating model for the future. We've made significant steps in filling key leadership roles across sales, marketing and finance. They will be an important catalyst for helping define the optimal strategic path forward for this business. We've seen some initial stemming of the top line declines, which I'm encouraged by. Although we know significant work remains. And repositioning this business for more stable top line performance and profit delivery will take time. Project Fuel remains an important catalyst for our continued evolution, both in mindset and in economics. This organization is reshaping itself, rooting out waste and driving greater productivity in all that we do. And we have executed well, delivering over $150 million in gross savings to date. These savings have provided us with resources to invest in innovation and growth and build our brands and capabilities. Specifically, we focused our investments on our most compelling growth opportunities across key retail channels. And we've also worked to reshape our portfolio with an eye towards simplifying and refining our brands and offerings and beginning to enhance our commercial capabilities across the entire company. Work remains here, and we are progressing with urgency and focus. We've also revamped our senior leadership team over the last 18 months and added new members to our Board of Directors. My management team brings a significant track record of success and experience operating in this industry and our categories. Over the last 3 quarters, including this fiscal Q1, I am pleased with the results we're seeing in our business. Organic top line growth trends continue to stabilize with the last 3 quarters, down approximately 40 basis points compared to the prior year period. And these results were underpinned by improved results across all segments and all geographies. Gross margin rates are stabilizing, as we execute Project Fuel and moderate trade and promotional spend. After a year of muted brand investments, in 2020, we are leaning in on investment, including both advertising and promotion and R&D, increasing our collective spend by $20 million and supporting our commitment to maintaining healthy leading brands. Project Fuel is maturing. And we have a clear track record for execution, having realized over $150 million of gross savings to date, inclusive of $15 million in Q1. Free cash flow generation remains a core strength of our business model, fueling consistent and systemic deleveraging. Over the last year, we have reduced our leverage by 1 full turn of debt, providing the necessary dry powder to support accretive M&A activity. Our outlook for the year reflects our expectation of continued progress, with organic net sales flat to slightly negative, gross margin rates stable, further execution of Project Fuel and free cash flow over 100% of GAAP net earnings. Dan will discuss this in more detail shortly. But we should not confuse progress with achievement. Foundational studying of our business is required first step. And 3 fiscal quarter's results indicate we are on the right path. We are working with urgency to further strengthen our business and ensure sustainable value creation for our shareholders. This is a time when we must be bold in our thinking and disciplined in our actions. Our priorities are as follows: first, we must increase our ability to innovate and build brands consumers love. Our recent efforts in this area have not provided the level of impact needed. And consumer-centric, occasion-based thinking needs to be at the center of our approach. We have recently added resources in our R&D organization. And we'll continue to seek to augment our existing team with the necessary infusion of talent, where needed, to meaningfully strengthen our capabilities in this area. Enhancing our innovation road map and developing a robust pipeline of opportunities for the business going forward is a clear strategic priority. Second, we will build on our strategic partnerships with our most important retailers to win at the shelf. This was the first task that I initiated upon becoming CEO, and it's become increasingly important that we maintain strong, mutually beneficial relationships, whether it's through stronger brands on shelf, robust innovation or exploring unique exclusivities in certain categories, we're committed to further solidifying our strategic relationships with our key retail partners. Third, we will continue to drive efforts to strengthen our competitiveness through Project Fuel and other initiatives to further simplify our ways of working and drive efficiency in our operations, maintaining our focus on the strategy that brought us to this point in enabling continued investment in growth opportunities. Fourth, we will continue to maintain a strong balance sheet, utilizing our healthy free cash flow profile in a balanced and disciplined manner, investing in our business while also returning value to our shareholders. Ensuring an efficient capital structure that enables a balanced capital allocation strategy is critical. And Dan will elaborate on this in a moment. And finally, talent profile and work environment for our employees matters and, in fact, are key drivers of sustainable success. We will invest in top talent in critical commercial roles, with North America commercial leadership our biggest priority. As you know, Colin Hutchison has been dual-hatting as both the COO and Head of North America for quite some time. And we knew this was not sustainable. And so we will act quickly to identify a new leader for our North American business, with focus on a seasoned dynamic leader who has the right complement of sales and marketing expertise required to lead our business forward in this important geography. Additionally, we're committed to creating a culture that attracts and retains world-class talent and drives engagement among our teammates. We're focused on strengthening our culture, which is built on values of inclusivity and sustainability, so that we can be a company where people love to work. Before I turn the call over to Dan, I want to emphasize the most important takeaway from this call. Our business is healthier today than it has been in quite some time. We're executing with urgency and focus and our mission to become a world-class CPG company remains unchanged. We understand where our strengths lie. We know the areas of our business that we need to continue to address, and we are pleased with the progress we are making. In short, we believe we are well positioned to succeed, and we look forward to redirecting our focus towards the opportunities that lie ahead. And now I'd like to ask Dan to take you through our first quarter results and updated outlook for fiscal 2020. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Daniel J. Sullivan, Edgewell Personal Care Company - CFO [4] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you, Rod, and good morning, everyone. As Rod mentioned, we're very pleased with how we've started the year. And the solid Q1 results reflect the continued focus on our fundamentals: good execution on shelf, the efficient balance of brand and trade spend and further progress on becoming a more productive and effective organization, with Project Fuel now entering mature execution and core to how we run this business. Our top line results continue to improve with flat organic net sales and importantly underpinned by our return to growth in North America. We estimate that on an underlying basis. Run rate sales for the business in Q1 were also flat. Adjusting for the impact of the Japan VAT loading in Q4 of last year and cycling the Sun Care reformulation headwinds of a year ago. Gross margins were also strong benefiting from improved market and product mix and the continued execution of Project Fuel. Q1 was, therefore, a good demonstration of our full year objectives, to deliver stable organic net sales and gross margin results year-over-year. We also successfully closed on the Infant and Pet Care divestiture, utilizing the proceeds to further strengthen our balance sheet. This was an important step in the transformation of our portfolio, enabling us to focus on our core brands and new growth opportunities. This business was simply not a strategic fit for us, where we lacked a clear right to win as evidenced by the significant profit erosion we experienced over the past several years. Although the foregone segment profit and associated stranded costs from the divestiture negatively impacts earnings per share, this streamlining of our portfolio better positions us to be a stronger company in the long run, while freeing up capital that can be potentially deployed elsewhere at higher returns. We've updated our full year outlook to reflect the divestiture and a lower full year tax rate. Outside of those changes, the full year outlook for the business is unchanged. And I'll discuss this in more detail shortly. So let me start with a discussion of our operational performance in the quarter and then move to our outlook for the full year. As mentioned, net sales in the quarter were flat on an organic basis and slightly ahead of our expectations. The further sequential top line improvement was supported by organic net sales growth in North America of 60 basis points, representing the first year-over-year quarterly growth since Q4 of fiscal 2016. Growth was also seen in the Sun and Skin Care and fem care segments. And although Wet Shave organic net sales declined 3% in the quarter, this represented an improvement as compared to recent trends. International organic net sales declined 90 basis points in the quarter, cycling mid single-digit growth last year, and reflecting the negative impact of the Q4 2019 load-in ahead of the VAT increase. E-commerce growth accelerated in the quarter, as we further expanded our capabilities and presence driven by strong holiday execution and growth in our gifting business. Looking at organic sales by segment. Wet Shave organic sales declined just over 3% in the quarter with declines in Men's Systems and Disposables, partly offset by growth in Women's Systems and Shave Preps. We continued to see solid performance in 2 of our most recent product offerings, Bulldog razors and Skintimate disposables. Women's Private Label also posted strong growth in the quarter. From a geographic perspective, North America continued to face competitive pressure, with share losses over the last 12 weeks largely in line with 52-week trends. Despite our progress, we anticipate that our Wet Shave business in North America will remain somewhat challenged over the course of 2020 with the spring planogram resets providing mixed results in key retailers. We're therefore focused on improving our innovation capabilities and continuing to invest incrementally in our brands, which Rod discussed earlier. Sun and Skin Care organic sales increased over 12%, aided in part by the cycling of last year's reformulation headwinds. Adjusting for this, we estimate underlying run rate sales for this segment to be up about 6%, with strong performance in Grooming and Wipes. Our Wet Ones business grew over 20% in the quarter driven by distribution gains, improved placement, additional secondary displays and added seasonal demand. Bulldog continued to realize mid-single-digit growth in our Grooming business, with improved velocity in the U.S. and achieved the leading market share position in the mass channel in Canada for both the beard and face care categories. In our Sun Care business, although largely off-season here in the U.S., our retail price increases were successfully executed across mass and drug. And we're cautiously optimistic heading into the summer season, where we will deploy increased A&P spend across both digital and traditional media venues. Internationally, Sun and Skin grew 8.5% on a run rate basis. Fem care organic sales increased 70 basis points with stable distribution, largely a result of our increased trade spend and stronger Amazon shipments and consumption. Volumes were positive across o.b., Sport tampons and Carefree liners. We continue to see declines in Stayfree pads. As Rod mentioned, while we are pleased with the initial progress seen in our efforts to reposition this business for sustainable success, we also know the path forward will be challenging, as evidenced by some distribution losses at Walmart that will be felt in Half 2 of this year from the recent planogram resets. Changes to our fem care business will take time. But we remain confident that once implemented, they will improve the performance of this business over the medium and longer term. Briefly looking at the category dynamics in the quarter. In Wet Shave as measured by Nielsen, the U.S. razors and blades category decreased 130 basis points in the last 12-week data with Men's Systems decline of 3.2%, Women's increase of 4.6% and Disposables declines of 2%. Including both e-commerce and offline unmeasured, we estimate that U.S. razors and blades increased about 1.5% driven by continued growth online and offline unmeasured. From a market share perspective as measured by Nielsen, in our latest 12-week data, we are at a 23.4% share in razors and blades in the U.S., down 150 basis points versus a year ago and in line with 52-week results. On a global basis, we estimate our share was down about 50 basis points. Gross margin increased 20 basis points year-over-year to 42.5%. Excluding costs associated with Sun Care reformulation, gross margin was flat, exceeding our expectations due to a combination of timing tailwinds and improved structural performance. Gross margin rates benefited from favorable market and product mix, sourcing gains, lower warehouse costs and more efficient trade spend, which helped mitigate the impact of the final stages of the North American Wet Shave price investment and other investments in trade spend, mostly in our fem care business. A&P expense this quarter was 9.1% of net sales, as compared to 11.3% of net sales in the prior year period. The decrease in A&P was largely expected, as we cycled the NPD activation of Hydro Sense and Intuition f.a.b. a year ago. Our planned step-up investment in A&P spending this year will be highly seasonal and largely seen in the second and third quarters, where we anticipate investing about $25 million incrementally year-over-year in conjunction with our Sun Care season in the U.S. as well as in support of our new Women's Wet Shave campaigns and behind our Bulldog brands. SG&A including amortization expense was $95 million or 20.9% of net sales, as compared to 19.1% of net sales in the prior year period. Excluding the impact of restructuring related charges, Harry's related costs and other charges, SG&A as a percent of net sales increased 50 basis points, 2/3 of which relates to a onetime item in Q1 last year related to a favorable vacation accrual adjustment. Q1 results on a like-for-like basis increased roughly 20 bps, driven by higher equity compensation, partly offset by savings from Project Fuel. R&D expense increased 30 basis points as a percent of net sales over the prior year quarter, as we added resources as part of our planned efforts to increase capabilities and reach in support of a more robust innovation pipeline. GAAP diluted net earnings per share were $0.41 per share compared to a loss of $0.01 per share in the first quarter of last year. And adjusted earnings per share were $0.55 per share compared to $0.37 in the prior year period, with the increase equally driven by improved operating profit and favorable tax and interest costs. Net cash used by operating activities was $46.9 million for the quarter, as compared to a use of cash of $46.4 million during the prior year. As a reminder, due to the seasonality of the company's business, primarily in Sun Care, the first fiscal quarter is typically the lowest operating cash flow quarter of the year. The company's current net debt leverage ratio is about 2.5x, representing a full turn reduction over the last 12 months and further evidence of this business' strong free cash flow profile. Now I'd like to turn to Project Fuel. Our teams continued to execute the core drivers of this program, delivering $15 million in incremental gross savings in the quarter, which was in line with our expectation. These savings helped to partially offset year-over-year inflationary headwinds across operations and increased investments in R&D and provide the catalyst for reinvestments behind key growth brands and markets. Turning to our updated outlook for fiscal 2020. We have adjusted our outlook to only reflect the impact of the Infant and Pet Care divestiture on profitability and free cash flow and a new assumption for our full year effective tax rate. 2020 EPS is now expected to be $0.15 less than prior guidance driven by the sale of Infant and Pet with a partial offset from a lower effective corporate tax rate. The sale of the Infant and Pet is expected to result in a $0.25 gross headwind to EPS with approximately half the impact coming from the reported segment results and half from stranded costs. We are already developing plans to address these stranded costs. And at this time, it's too early to comment on what we will be able to structurally offset. For the remainder of the business, our outlook is unchanged as are the 3 pillars I discussed last quarter. For the first pillar, top line stabilization, we anticipate flat to slightly down organic sales results. The second element is gross margin stabilization, supported in part by further fuel savings, selective price actions and moderated trade spend. And finally, choiceful brand reinvestment. This outlook continues to contemplate meaningful reinvestment in key growth initiatives and overall increased A&P spend, particularly, in quarters 2 and 3 as I mentioned earlier. Now to the specific elements of our outlook for 2020. We estimate net sales declines to be in the range of down 4% to 5%. This reflects a 440 basis point impact from the Infant and Pet Care divestiture. Currency at spot rates does not impact full year growth. The outlook for GAAP EPS is in the range of $2.40 to $2.60, and includes Project Fuel restructuring and IT enablement charges, the gain on the Infant and Pet Care sale and other onetime charges. Our adjusted EPS outlook is in the range of $2.95 to $3.15. Adjusted EBITDA is estimated to be in the range of $350 million to $360 million, reflecting an approximate $20 million reduction due to the Infant and Pet Care divestiture. Project Fuel is expected to generate about $70 million in incremental gross savings. Despite anticipated easing in many commodity categories, we still expect that approximately 70% of the Fuel gross savings will be used to offset continued wage inflation, meaningful tariff headwinds and other rising input costs, with the remainder invested back into the business. Project Fuel related restructuring charges are expected to be approximately $35 million. The adjusted effective tax rate for the fiscal year is now estimated to be in the range of 20% to 22%. And our outlook for fiscal 2020 free cash flow is now expected to be in excess of 100% of GAAP earnings with CapEx estimated to be 3% to 3.5% of net sales. While the total cash benefit from the Infant and Pet Care divestiture will be approximately $60 million for the year, the transaction will result in a reduction in expected free cash flow, as transaction taxes and other balance sheet adjustments will be reflected in cash from operating activities as well as lower net income, while the proceeds from the transaction will be reflected in cash from investing activities. And finally, I'd like to address our capital structure and comment on our capital allocation strategy going forward. We have already proactively begun the process of addressing our financing, leveraging our strong credit history, attractive cash flow profile and recent success in obtaining the financing for the Harry's transaction, and we are highly confident in our ability to put in place the required capital structure necessary to support the business going forward, while addressing near-term maturities. In terms of our capital allocation strategy, our strong free cash flow generation, coupled with the fact that we anticipate being below 2.5x levered by the end of this fiscal year, provide us with considerable optionality. Since then, we have taken over a turn of debt off the balance sheet while also returning over $650 million to shareholders in the form of stock buybacks, and investing over $100 million in the successful acquisitions of Jack Black and Bulldog. Our primary objective will continue to be investing appropriately in the long-term sustainable growth of this business, both organic and acquired. With a longer-term desired net debt leverage ratio of between 3 and 3.5x, we also will consider the potential to opportunistically return capital to our shareholders. And with that, I'll turn the call back over to the operator and open up for questions. ================================================================================ Questions and Answers -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Operator [1] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (Operator Instructions) And the first question comes from Jason English with Goldman Sachs. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason M. English, Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Research Division - VP [2] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sorry for the tardiness there. A couple of questions for me. First, the organization, I imagine, has been in a state of paralysis, a degree of turmoil. I suspect in the wake in anticipation of the merger with Harry's, with the decision to not move forward with that, obviously, in light of the FTC's pressure on this, can you give us a State of the Union on current status of the organization, how much turnover you had? Whether we've seen an exit of good talent? And whether or not we should expect to see how to incur some costs to go out that rebuild? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rod R. Little, Edgewell Personal Care Company - President, CEO & Director [3] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason, thank you for the question. The organization has been very resilient. We have kept the focus of the organization on building the business, executing our plan. And I think you see that in the continued improvement of our results from a trend perspective. The team we have working on the transaction, we had pulled some people out full-time to work on integration planning to do that work. We've had no meaningful change in turnover. No loss of any key talent. In fact, the organization was energized and moving forward. With or without a transaction, we're making a lot of changes here in how we work, how we operate, what we value, what we expect people to do when they come in the office around accountability and focus. And with that, I think the organization has been resilient. And the results show that. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason M. English, Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Research Division - VP [4] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That's encouraging to hear. And maybe related to that in the energy organization, in the press release, you mentioned that you're committed to building a next-generation CPG company. Maybe I missed it, but I don't remember that language being used by you in the past. What does that mean to you? And what are the implications as we think about the strategic direction of Edgewell going forward? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rod R. Little, Edgewell Personal Care Company - President, CEO & Director [5] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes. I think the next-generation language is forward-looking. Just simply said, an organization that's built to win based on the current landscape of where the consumer is, what he or she wants from a product and experience, how the consumer shops, do they want to buy online late in the evening to have it delivered to their home, do they want to buy in a brick-and-mortar retail store. And being able to offer our products up in an efficient way wherever that consumer wants to shop. And as part of that, how you reach consumers with marketing messages that are on point and targets, that are relevant, that are interesting, that drive the consumer to want to try the products, then have a great experience when they do it, architecting all of that where the eyeballs are in a world where increasingly it's online, it's digital, it takes a modern forward-looking skill set to go architect all of that. And ultimately drive residents with the consumer all the way through to purchase. And that's very different than the legacy consumer products model, certainly that I grew up in over the last 20, 25 years. And so that's what we mean by that. And again, we were on that path before the Harry's acquisition opportunity came along, and we'll remain on that path as we go forward. Albeit, being transparent and honest, it's going to take us longer to get there in some cases than what we would have had with plug-and-play DTC, for example, with the Harry's expertise there. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Operator [6] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And next comes from Ali Dibadj with Bernstein. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ali Dibadj, Sanford C. Bernstein & Co., LLC., Research Division - SVP and Senior Analyst [7] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I had a few questions. One is, just as you step back from this Harry's deal, many CPG investors look at CPG companies along kind of a spectrum or continuum. On the one hand, it's real high growth, so something like a luxury or your cosmetics company. On the other end of the spectrum, it's something like a good free cash flow driver or good margin driver, good return-to-shareholders-story like, think of tobacco almost in that sense. It certainly felt like you guys decided to take a shot, a quite risky shot, given what happened to your leverage, but a shot at moving from one end of the spectrum to a faster growth part of that spectrum and thought you might be rewarded with Harry's. Would this change in not doing Harry's? How should investors think about you guys? I've heard kind of 2 almost conflicting pieces of language in your prepared remarks here about where you want to sit. So just want to get a sense of where are you on that spectrum? I think the easy answer is always, "we're in the middle." But where do you tend to lean one way or the other, more growthy or more return of cash to shareholders, free cash flow? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rod R. Little, Edgewell Personal Care Company - President, CEO & Director [8] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes, Ali, thanks for the questions. I think where we sit today, we do have characteristics of the strong free cash flow generator consistent, reliable delivery of cash flow. And so we're very much, I would say, just in that place in terms of the profile. Although we do aspire to be more of a growth-oriented company. And we think in our core categories where we play, certainly beyond Wet Shave has stabilized now to flat, to up 1, 1.5 in absolute growth. So it's healthier than where we were 1, 2 years ago. But beyond that, the growth is really going to come from Skin, Skin Care and Men's and Women's Grooming. When you look at growth rates, high single digits to even double digits in some areas. Sun Care is growing. So we're in categories that are actually growing and getting healthier. And so as we look at our ability to innovate and partner with retailers and bring better ideas and innovation that the consumer wants, that we absolutely can grow on top of generating a strong free cash flow and stability. And so I think we still aspire to be, let's call it, very much in that middle, consistent, reliable, predictable player. I do think the opportunity with Harry's was to even be a little more than that. And to be at the top of the pack on consumer products, certainly versus that peer set. And what we could have done together just uniquely with the combination of assets and capabilities that, frankly, there's not another combination out there that I see that would match that. And so it will just be a different plan going forward and probably less aggressive on top line. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ali Dibadj, Sanford C. Bernstein & Co., LLC., Research Division - SVP and Senior Analyst [9] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That's very helpful in terms of kind of setting guardrails up. In that context, how should we think about the role of M&A now going forward versus returning cash to shareholders, part one? Part two is, how should we think about the sustainable level of advertising, right, that you want to put back into the marketplace? Given this, it sounds like, Rod attempted to move a little bit more growthy, although not a leapfrog that you would imagine with Harry's? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rod R. Little, Edgewell Personal Care Company - President, CEO & Director [10] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes. I'll cover the M&A one, Ali. I'll throw it to Dan on how we're thinking about the advertising support for the business. It starts M&A-wise with us having a successful track record with bolt-on acquisitions. Frankly, this company was put together over time from the beginning via a series of acquisitions. Most recently, with Bulldog and Jack Black, which are both performing very, very well. Founder-led businesses, the founders remained with us, flourished, thrived. And we were able to bring incremental capability to those businesses to not only keep the growth going, but accelerate it in some cases. And so there's absolutely a case for continued bolt-on M&A acquisitions. I think we're out of the market for big transformational things. This was a unique opportunity for us here. But bolt-on M&A is absolutely part of the plan going forward. As Dan mentioned, we have a very clean balance sheet and leverage to go do that. And I also think we have a unique capability of integrating companies into our organization. As the final thing I'll say, actually two more points is, we'll do this in a very disciplined way as we move forward, being financially disciplined with M&A as we move forward is important. The second piece of this is it's not all about the U.S., and it's not all about Wet Shave. We've got opportunities globally. When we look at the map, we've got opportunities beyond Wet Shave, particularly in Sun Care is an interesting category for us. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Daniel J. Sullivan, Edgewell Personal Care Company - CFO [11] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes. And then on the A&P model going forward, we've said 2020 is a lean-in year for us. We expect to spend about 100 basis points more rate of sale than we did a year ago. We expect it to largely be seasonal in Q2 and 3. And I think what we're seeing is our willingness to invest heavily behind campaigns that we believe in. And we're seeing that now in Sun Care, where we will invest behind both Banana Boat and Hawaiian Tropic, we'll have new Women's Shave campaigns coming to the market to be activated in 2 and 3. And we're going to put incremental money behind Bulldog because we're seeing great results on the shelf. So I think our thinking on A&P is now, as we see campaigns we really like that we've got the plans in place to invest behind, we'll do that. And you'll see that step up largely in Q3. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Operator [12] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And that comes from Nik Modi with RBC. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nik Modi, RBC Capital Markets, Research Division - MD of Tobacco, Household Products and Beverages & Lead Consumer Staples Analyst [13] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I had 2 questions. First, Rod, you touched on some of the brand streamlining work that you've been doing. Can you just give us an update on where you guys are in that process? I mean are you -- have you completed a transferable demand analysis to kind of understand which SKU should be coming off the shelf? So that was the first question. And then the second question, it's just bigger picture, as you've been speaking to retailers and kind of reengaging them. I'm just curious what they're saying to you and what they're asking Edgewell to do? What do they want from you? What do you think you need to do in order to gain back some of the lost shelf space over the last few years? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rod R. Little, Edgewell Personal Care Company - President, CEO & Director [14] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes. Nik, on the brand streamlining point, I think we're started down the path. We're not complete yet. Where we've made meaningful progress is in Disposables. As you know, we had multiple disposable brands and lines across both men's and women's, and we've consolidated our entire Disposables business on the men's side under the Xtreme brand. And on the women's side, we've consolidated all of our Disposables under the Skintimate brand. It's a big simplification around SKU reduction. It's a big focus around just 2 brands now versus what was 6 or 7 brands in terms of putting support in building those brands out. And so we feel good about that progress. There's more work to be done on Men's and Women's Systems. Again, we're on the path to do that. And I think we'll -- you'll see us continue to make progress towards fewer but yet bigger brands that we can put support behind as we go forward. So I would say we're starting so far from complete there. In terms of retailers and what they want, I think it's actually quite simple. They want partners that can help them grow the category and deliver products and innovations that the consumers want and are willing to buy in higher demand than what we have today. And I think if you look at the landscape and what ultimately made Harry's successful and get to where they got was, they were able to take propositions to the retailer that grew the category. And if you look at what Gillette is doing in the space now, with a focus on innovation, value to consumer insights, leading us to where growth can be had in the category, that's what retailers want. And I think as we look at our innovation pipeline and road map and what we have coming, we're very encouraged with what we have. As we look at our strategy to move forward in a more consumer-centric way with data, analytics, insights, leading our thinking on what we take to the shelf, we feel good about where that's heading. And certainly, as an overall corporate priority and commitment, including my time with retailers, we are serious about partnering with retailers and delivering across all 3 of those. And so I think it's pretty simple what they want. We need to help you grow and bring value back into the category. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Operator [15] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That comes from Bill Chappell with SunTrust. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- William Bates Chappell, SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc., Research Division - MD [16] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Two questions. First, can you talk a little bit more about just international Wet Shave, kind of the outlook? And I mean, that seems to be fairly stable. And maybe I didn't know if there's any -- if it's more products -- new product introductions, marketing or if there's just some -- it's just much more stable than the U.S.? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Daniel J. Sullivan, Edgewell Personal Care Company - CFO [17] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes. It is more stable in the U.S., particularly in the last 12 weeks in Europe, where you might recall, coming out of Q4, we saw a challenging Wet Shave category in Europe, we saw heightened competitive pressures. We see a slightly more stable outlook today there, and the results in Europe reinforced that. We also, as you know, have a very strong presence in Japan and saw good results in the quarter when we normalize for the VAT impact of Q4. So we feel like we've got the right brands. We're executing better. We are spending incrementally year 1 -- Q1, rather, year-over-year. And yes, we saw a more stable Wet Shave category. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rod R. Little, Edgewell Personal Care Company - President, CEO & Director [18] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And Bill, if I could add and build on this, not only is the category more stable but this is something we've gotten better at around our innovation capability and how we architect and build our brands to resonate with local consumers. Historically, we were in a very global average innovation model. And under the new leadership we have in place globally, we've gone to a much more regional, local tailored model with our innovation, where there's a global menu of innovation that frankly resonates more with local consumers. I'll give you a couple of examples. In Germany, we started to work on a regional rebrand and relaunch of the Wilkinson Sword brand. That was not led by the global team. The global team helped do that, but the regional team in Europe led that execution and activation in a way that's much more interesting to the local consumer. Another example is we're launching Schick 5 in China. It's a razor system architected for the Chinese consumer with local Chinese design firms and insights being put into the market. In the past, that would have been something built for the U.S. market having to then travel to those markets. And so our regional tailoring and our focus on local insights is starting to show up in the market and the results. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- William Bates Chappell, SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc., Research Division - MD [19] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Got it. And then just a follow-up on Sun Care, Skin Care. Can you just remind us the pricing that went into effect? I assume everyone followed that pricing within the industry. And then is there anything I need to -- or we need to keep in mind, last year was kind of with the reformulation funky on the quarter. So just what the next 2 quarters, kind of the flow looks like? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Daniel J. Sullivan, Edgewell Personal Care Company - CFO [20] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'll take the first question. So we won't get into too much of the specifics around the pricing. We took bold steps in both mass, to put us on par from a frontline pricing standpoint, and in drug. To our knowledge, no one has followed yet, but we had extremely strong execution and selling with the retailers. And as I said in my remarks, we're quite comfortable now and cautiously optimistic, as we think about the Sun Care season. We think we've got the pricing right, based not only on our brand equity, but also based on the significant cost that the entire category has seen over time. So we feel good about that. Sorry, what was the -- can you repeat the second question? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rod R. Little, Edgewell Personal Care Company - President, CEO & Director [21] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I got it. I've got this. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- William Bates Chappell, SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc., Research Division - MD [22] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Just over the next 2 quarters, how sales flow? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rod R. Little, Edgewell Personal Care Company - President, CEO & Director [23] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes. On the timing of the sales flow, last year, we started the year, the first couple of quarters, essentially on allocation as we went through the reformulation. We don't have that headwind this year. That's the simplest way to think about it is we're more on a like-for-like kind of matching [selling] consumption as we go this year. We just weren't there last year due to being on allocation. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Operator [24] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And that comes from Steve Strycula with UBS. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven A. Strycula, UBS Investment Bank, Research Division - Director and Equity Research Analyst [25] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So Rod, my question is, I heard earlier in the call that you're downplaying the U.S. Men's Shave business. So I'm curious, as you think out like the next few years, what should investors think about in terms of your top category country combinations? Where the company is most focused on? A lot of larger multinationals will talk about whether they're focused on U.S. laundry or German Wet Shave, et cetera. So what are the 3 big platforms you would kind of point investors to that matter most as you look out, whether it's U.S. Private Label, Japan Shave, U.S. Skin Care or Sun Care? Anything would be helpful. And then clean-up question would be, can you comment on the cash breakup fee? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rod R. Little, Edgewell Personal Care Company - President, CEO & Director [26] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sure. I'll take them in reverse order. There was no cash breakup fee. And on the first question, the priority is going to be around Grooming in Sun Care, from a category perspective, Geographically, U.S. and Canada and then broadly International, with a particular emphasis on Asia. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven A. Strycula, UBS Investment Bank, Research Division - Director and Equity Research Analyst [27] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And outside of Japan, do you have the scale in-house to really deliver on a lot of these platforms as you look out over those regions? Or is there any kind of change into how you think about scale, specifically outside of the U.S.? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rod R. Little, Edgewell Personal Care Company - President, CEO & Director [28] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think our infrastructure outside of the U.S. is reasonably good. Particularly in Europe, we've got good infrastructure there. I think as you get to Asia and as you point out outside of Japan, which is a real area of strength for us in terms of our scale, the team there, the talent we have on the ground, we don't just have that level of scale in terms of market share in other markets around Asia. We're in the process of building some of that out. Already, we have some good distribution partners we work with. However, it's one of the areas, if you think about M&A and where we would put some focus there's the opportunity to accelerate our progress in building some scale via the M&A lever as we move forward over time. And so I think it'll be a mix of potentially organic and M&A as we think about Asia. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Operator [29] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes. And that comes from Faiza Alwy with Deutsche Bank. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Faiza Alwy, Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division - Research Analyst [30] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So 2 questions. One is just -- I was wondering if you could give us a few more comments around the Harry's litigation that you referenced? Sort of what's the premise of that? Like are they saying that you operated out of bad faith? Or just sort of like what is that litigation about? And then my second question is just around gross margin. Maybe if you could give us some color around the impact of mix, input costs, volume deleveraging, tariffs, et cetera, in the quarter? And how we should be thinking about those metrics on a go-forward basis? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rod R. Little, Edgewell Personal Care Company - President, CEO & Director [31] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'll take the first one on litigation and then throw it to Dan for gross margin. On the litigation point, first, to clarify, to our knowledge, we do not know that Harry's has filed a lawsuit, as of me coming into this call, we don't have knowledge that they filed a lawsuit. But their counsel sent us a letter saying that they do intend to pursue litigation. And again, our view, as we stated in the press release, is we believe that any litigation that would be brought from Harry's towards us has absolutely no merit. I'll leave it at that. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Daniel J. Sullivan, Edgewell Personal Care Company - CFO [32] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And in terms of the gross margin question, as I mentioned in my prepared remarks, the margin performance in the quarter was slightly stronger than we had anticipated. There were some -- a combination of what I would call tailwinds. We mixed out quite well, both in product and market, which certainly helped the margin profile. Promotional intensity in the quarter eased a bit from what we anticipated. And then we also performed really well in terms of the Fuel program and executing to help mitigate inflationary pressures. So it's a good quarter. There are some timing and unique tailwinds there. But it keeps us feeling comfortable with our full year outlook, which is a much more stable gross margin profile than we've seen. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Operator [33] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That comes from Olivia Tong with Bank of America. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Olivia Tong, BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division - Director [34] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Great. Now the deal isn't happening, I was hoping you could focus on 2 different areas. First, in terms of sales mix, what do you expect that to look like going forward? Is it further diversification? Obviously, Sun and Skin have been growing disproportionately. So just your view in terms of how you're going to support sales mix? And then what kind of investment do you think you have to make to build out some of the areas that you expected Harry's to help you on, specifically digital capabilities and some go-to-market investment? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rod R. Little, Edgewell Personal Care Company - President, CEO & Director [35] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for the questions. On the sales mix, I think as we look forward, we would continue to expect in broad terms moving forward, that Sun and Skin Care and so that Grooming and Skin Care area will continue to lead the growth for us. We know we've got some headwinds, as Dan mentioned, on fem care around distribution and the planogram set changes for this year. But over time, we would expect to have that continue to improve trend wise. But certainly, Grooming, Skin, Sun Care would lead the way. From a Wet Shave business, I think we still feel really good about our International business. And would expect those trends to continue to improve in the -- U.S. is an area where we just know, in particular, what you see in Nielsen the distribution changes as we look at that, we're going to continue to have some headwinds. That's all factored into what we've thought about. Again, we would be optimistic over time that we can improve those trends in the U.S. in shave, and we would expect to do that. The other thing I'll tell you about trends, and you don't see it in all the measured Nielsen data. But e-commerce in the quarter just finished for us, was up 47%. And so there's an increasingly large base of sales that are not captured in Nielsen. So when you put that together, our trends obviously look better. But those would be the areas. And then in terms of investment required to build out around direct-to-consumer, digital marketing and the infrastructure and capability to make that happen, we were on a journey to do that, and it made significant investments leading up to the Harry's transaction. We'll continue to put investment in that area. And that looks like technology choices and what the technology stack that we'll use to run any DTC channels that we have, it will be incremental resources in direct-to-consumer, managing the e-commerce channel. We'll add people in there. And I think we also thought about some incremental resources in the marketing area around digital marketing. And specifically, in some areas where we know we want to take control of some of the value chain around social media management, how we do some design work. Today, that is third-party managed for us. We'll look at bringing some of that in-house. So that's all contemplated in our go-forward investment plan. I wouldn't put a number on it, but it's contemplated within the Project Fuel work in how we look at reallocating where we put investment in the company. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Operator [36] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And the next question comes from Kevin Grundy with Jefferies. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Michael Grundy, Jefferies LLC, Research Division - Senior VP & Equity Analyst [37] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Two quick ones for me. First one, maybe for Dan on capital deployment and the balance sheet now with the Harry's news and debt leverage at about 2.5x or even less than that. So why is 3, the 3.5x the right level for this business? And then second, in light of the Harry's news, was there any thought to pivoting more aggressively towards share repurchases with the stock down here? And then, of course, in the process, you're moving more towards your target leverage ratio. And then I have a follow-up on Harry's. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Daniel J. Sullivan, Edgewell Personal Care Company - CFO [38] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes. Good question. So I guess, I put my remarks in context, we're quite comfortable that this business can easily handle a leverage ratio of 3 to 3.5x. We think that gives us a very healthy balance of ammunition to invest in this business and to think about a healthy balance sheet that allows us to be aggressive where we want to be aggressive in terms of acquisition, reinvest in growth and opportunistically return capital to shareholders. As you've seen through the Harry's potential deal, we were also comfortable leveraging up even higher than that if something was attractive to us. We just -- we don't see that right now. I think Rod's comments are clear. We're looking at acquisitions more through the lens of sort of bolt-on complementary acquisitions. So we have to think about all of those elements as we think about what's the right profile for this business going forward. And again, because of the healthy balance sheet, 3, 3.5x for us is a place of comfort. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Michael Grundy, Jefferies LLC, Research Division - Senior VP & Equity Analyst [39] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Okay. The quick follow-up is just for Rod. What are the key leadership positions now in North America that need to be filled, that were going to be assumed by the Harry's management team? I know there's a lot of enthusiasm around what the founders and what their team was going to bring. What are the big roles, if any, at this point that need to be filled? And then I'll pass it on. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rod R. Little, Edgewell Personal Care Company - President, CEO & Director [40] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes. Thank you, Kevin. The -- I'm going to talk about one role, it's the North America leadership role. And as we mentioned, Colin's been double headed now for over a year in running the global operations, and also running the North America business. And as we said that, that was unsustainable. Colin has done a great job. And you can see from the North American results, the results have improved, we've stabilized. We've got a better team in place in North America now across sales and marketing, and the big thing we need to do is get a dynamic leader in there that's experienced, they can come in and really pick up the work that Andy and Jeff were going to lead. And so as you look at the profile and what we're going to go get, it's a leader that's dynamic and experienced, and that is the position that we need to fill. And then from that point forward, there are other changes that need to be made, we'll work hand-in-hand with that leader accordingly to make further changes. But that's how I would portray it. Starts with the leader. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Operator [41] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And the last question comes from Jonathan Feeney with Consumer Edge. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathan Patrick Feeney, Consumer Edge Research, LLC - Senior Analyst of Food & HPC, Director of research and Managing Partner [42] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Two questions for me. First, on Wet Shave. You commented on a number of factors on margin within the Wet Shave, but I'm trying to understand mix. When you think about Men's Systems, Disposables, Women's Systems, Shave Preps. What -- it's been my understanding that Men's Systems are by far the most profitable and that's been a major issue. But if you can -- any way you can comment or dimensionalize what mix looks like between those brands? And specifically, how critical it is to get Men's Systems flat to growing again in the overall margin plan that would be great. And second question is, it strikes me that you have now over 60% of your business in Wet Shave and your manufacturing capabilities are quite unique and there's really anybody else out there who has those kind of capabilities. Well, there's one other and they're not -- they are a lot more diversified. I mean, are there other ways of taking advantage of that strategic position you're in, whether it's partnership deals to manufacture? Or are there ways you could think of where that can get you that quantum improvement in execution that you were looking for with Harry's, maybe without all that cost? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rod R. Little, Edgewell Personal Care Company - President, CEO & Director [43] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes. Thank you, Jonathan, and thanks for the questions. On Wet Shave, from an overall margin structure, Men's and Women's Systems are the most probable -- are the most profitable segments within Wet Shave. Disposables and the Private Label are below that. So your point is right, is when you are declining in the Systems business, economically it has an outsized impact. And so that's correct. As we look forward, the uniqueness of the assets that we do have around not only IP, technology, patent space, but manufacturing know-how and technology around manufacturing process, it is quite unique. Two of us have it. And so as we look forward, we're -- we don't take anything away from our conversation that Grooming and Sun we think have nice growth rates in areas that we can grow and win in. We still fundamentally believe we can be successful in Wet Shave, partly because of the structural dynamics in the assets we do have. And so as we move forward and allocate investment and look at where we can grow and develop, filling up our manufacturing plants with more volume is a big idea. And so that's something we're looking at organically as we make investments, where a marginal dollar and return can be had. And I think that goes across Private Label, Disposable, Men's and Women's Systems all the way through other partnerships or other ways to create value with those assets, we would look at all of those things as we move forward. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Operator [44] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Actually there is nothing else at the present time, and that concludes the question-and-answer session. So I'd like to return the floor to Rod Little for any closing comments. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rod R. Little, Edgewell Personal Care Company - President, CEO & Director [45] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well, thank you all for your time today. We appreciate the continued interest and investment. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Operator [46] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect your lines.