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Q2 2019 Foamix Pharmaceuticals Ltd Earnings Call

Rehovot Aug 16, 2019 (Thomson StreetEvents) -- Edited Transcript of Foamix Pharmaceuticals Ltd earnings conference call or presentation Thursday, August 8, 2019 at 12:30:00pm GMT

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Corporate Participants


* David T. Domzalski

Foamix Pharmaceuticals Ltd. - CEO & Director

* Ilan Hadar

Foamix Pharmaceuticals Ltd. - CFO & Country Manager

* Matt Wiley

Foamix Pharmaceuticals Ltd. - Chief Commercial Officer


Conference Call Participants


* Raghuram Selvaraju

H.C. Wainwright & Co, LLC, Research Division - MD of Equity Research & Senior Healthcare Analyst

* Sudan Naveen Loganathan

Cantor Fitzgerald & Co., Research Division - Analyst

* Valentyna Chebanova

LifeSci Capital, LLC, Research Division - Research Associate

* Michael Wood

LifeSci Advisors, LLC - MD of Communications




Operator [1]


Welcome to the Foamix Pharmaceutical Second Quarter 2019 Earnings Conference Call. (Operator Instructions) Now I would to turn the conference over to Michael Woods, LifeSci Advisors. Please go ahead, sir.


Michael Wood, LifeSci Advisors, LLC - MD of Communications [2]


Thank you. And good morning, everyone. Yesterday, Foamix issued a press release with earnings results and a corporate quarter update for the quarter ended June 30, 2019.

The press release is available on the Investor Relations' page of the company's website at foamix.com.

The call is being recorded in webcast. A replay will be available on the company's website for the next 2 weeks.

Before we begin the formal remarks, let me remind you that some of the information in the news release and on this conference call contains forward-looking statements that involve risks, uncertainties, or assumptions that are difficult to predict.

Words that express and reflect optimism, satisfaction with current progress, prospects for projections as well as words such as believe, intend, expect, plan, anticipate and similar variations identify forward-looking statements, but their absence does not mean that a statement in itself is not forward-looking.

Such forward-looking statements are not a guarantee of performance, and the company's actual results could differ materially from those contained in such statements. Several factors that could cause or contribute to such differences are described in detail in Foamix's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. These forward-looking statements speak only as of today's -- date of today's press release and conference call, and the company undertakes no obligation to publicly update any forward-looking statements or supply new information regarding the circumstances after the date of this call.

Participating today are David Domzalski, Chief Executive Officer of Foamix; Ilan Hadar, Chief Financial Officer; and Matt Wiley, Chief Commercial Officer. They are also on the line and they will be available to answer

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With that, I'll turn the call over to Dave. Please go ahead.


David T. Domzalski, Foamix Pharmaceuticals Ltd. - CEO & Director [3]


Thank you, Michael. And thanks to everyone for joining our call this morning. During the second quarter, Foamix continued to execute successfully across all of our strategic objectives with respect to our clinical development programs and commercial plans.

We just announced the filing earlier this week of our second NDA for FMX103 in rosacea. And we had a very important milestone coming up in the second half of the year with the PDUFA date of October 20 for FMX101 in acne.

We're also making progress in building our commercial brand as well as our sales and marketing infrastructure.

And also very importantly, we completed a successful financing to carrying funds of up to $64 million in a combination of debt and equity, which strengthens our position considerably as we prepare to potentially launch 2 products and transition to a fully integrated pharmaceutical company.

Starting with the most recent news. We announced on Monday that we have submitted an NDA to the U.S. FDA seeking approval for FMX103 for the treatment of moderate-to-severe papulopustular rosacea in patients 18 years of age and older.

The FMX103 filing is supported by strong Phase III data. The data package includes the results from 2 Phase III trials, trial FX2016-11 and -12, both of which achieved their co-primary endpoints demonstrating statistically significant improvements in inflammatory lesion count and Investigator Global Assessment treatment success in patients treated with FMX 103.

We also announced positive results from our long-term open label safety study FX 2016-13 in February of this year. Demonstrating that treatment with FMX 103 appears to be well tolerated with an acceptable overall safety profile for up to 1 year of treatment.

Rosacea is a common chronic relapsing inflammatory skin condition, which can seriously affect quality of life. We estimate that there are approximately 16 million rosacea patients in the United States alone, a large percentage of whom suffer multiple comorbidities and experience sensitivity to current treatment options.

FMX103 is the second NDA to be filed by -- for one of our products in the last 8 months. We filed an NDA for FMX101 seeking approval for the treatment of inflammatory lesions of non-nodular moderate-to-severe acne vulgaris in patients 9 years of age and older in December of last year.

The FDA has set October 20 of this year as the PDUFA action date for FMX101. FMX101 is also supported by strong clinical package, and it includes results from our third Phase III study FX2017-22.

The results of this study, which enrolled just under 1,500 patients were published in June this year in the prestigious Journal of The American Academy of Dermatology. The American Academy of Dermatology is the largest and most influential dermatology group in United States.

So JAAD as the periodical is known, was the ideal platform to show the results from our study with the broader clinical dermatology community.

A copy of the article can be found on the Journal's website at jaad.org.

Our commercial efforts for FMX101 launch readiness continue to make strong progress. Final launch tactics for healthcare providers and consumers have been finalized, and execution of those tactics is on or ahead of schedule.

We also completed our sales force alignment and deployment mapping and have begun to recruit and interview for our regional management team.

The sales force will cover approximately 6,000 healthcare providers that encompass 2/3 of all diagnosed acne patients, and roughly 3 quarters of the acne prescription volume.

We apply the same level of data analysis to our potential rosacea market to identify provisional healthcare provider targets, and based on the initial findings, we believe that there will be at least greater than a 50% overlap between our targeted areas of coverage for both acne and rosacea.

As we prepare to on-board our sales organization, we are pleased with the advancement we have made with our sales training plan. The acne training curriculum content development is on schedule, and we expect to have our representatives trained and field-ready by mid-December, followed by a live launch meeting scheduled for the first full week in January.

Our market access approach is also taking shape. We conducted a mock pharmacy and therapeutic committee meeting in July, which reaffirmed the market research that was first presented earlier this year.

The net to plan expectation remains in the range of $200 to $400 and favorable formulary positioning is indeed feasible.

We continue to believe that with responsible pricing, payer contracting and managing patient out-of-pocket exposure, we can secure broad access to those patients who will need FMX101.

Turning to our earlier stage pipeline, the most advanced product is FCD105, which is our combination of foam product of minocycline and adapalene for the treatment of acne vulgaris.

Adapalene is one of the most widely used retinoids for comedonal acne, and is active ingredient in the leading acne brands. The scientific concept here is to combine the bacteriostatic and anti-inflammatory properties of minocycline with the retinoid which acts to regulate the differentiation of follicular epithelial cells. We believe combining these 2 mechanisms could present another significant advancement in topical therapy for acne patients.

Plans are now at an advanced stage to initiate a Phase II study in the United States. A clinical investigator training meeting has been recently completed. Clinical trial supplies are being prepared for distribution to investigator sites, and we hope to have an announcement shortly regarding the enrollment of the first patient in the study.

This will be a randomized study expected to enroll approximately 400 patients across 36 sites in the United States with top line data anticipated mid-next year.

Our cash and cash equivalents as of the end of the second quarter of this year were $70 million. We announced on July 30 that we have secured up to an additional $64 million in capital from 2 of our investors, Perceptive Advisors and OrbiMed.

The financing consists of term loans of up to $50 million under a credit agreement, in which we receive $15 million immediately at the closing of the transaction, and we may receive an additional $20 million upon the achievement of certain regulatory milestones, and a further $15 million upon the achievement of certain revenue milestones.

Additionally, we secured $14 million in gross proceeds from Perceptive Advisors through a direct registered offering of ordinary shares.

We, obviously, were very pleased to complete this financing.

This is important time for Foamix with 2 products now under review at the FDA, and the potential for 2 commercial launches next year, assuming FDA approval is received.

It is important that we have the appropriate funding in place and the transaction we announced last week with Perceptive and OrbiMed means that we are able to make the necessary investments to support these launches.

Proceeds from the transactions are also being used to fund our NDA for FMX103 as well as for working capital and general corporate purposes.

At this point now, I would like to turn the call over to Ilan Hadar for a review of the financial results. Ilan?


Ilan Hadar, Foamix Pharmaceuticals Ltd. - CFO & Country Manager [4]


Thank you, Dave, and good morning, everyone.

We reported no revenues for the quarter ended June 30, 2019, compared to $1 million in the quarter ended June 30, 2018.

We have an agreement with LEO Pharma whereby they market Finacea Foam which was developed using our technology, and Foamix is entitled to royalties on sales made by LEO.

LEO's API contract manufacturer of Finacea has not met the required specifications for the finished product, which has resulted in the inability of LEO to manufacture the Finacea product for sale.

This in turn means that we have not received any royalty payment. LEO has informed us that they are working diligently to address the issue in order to be able to produce supply of the finished product to meet the demand for Finacea in the market.

It should be noted that we have not viewed the royalty payments from the Finacea Foam product as being material to our business or our balance sheet.

Additionally, I want to stress that the supply chain issue of Finacea is not related to the manufacturing, production or supply of any of our products, including FMX101 and FMX103.

Research and development expenses for the quarter ended June 30, 2019, were $12.6 million compared to $16.8 million for the quarter ended June 30, 2018. The decrease resulted primarily from a decrease of clinical trial expenses due to the completion of FMX101 and FMX103 clinical trials, offset by an increase in payroll and payroll-related expenses, and an increase in consulting expenses. Research and development expenses for the quarter ended June 30, 2019, also include materials in the amount of $1.2 million purchase for manufacturing of commercial and sample products.

If we obtain regulatory approval for our product candidates, this type of cost will be capitalized as inventory.

General and administrative expenses for the quarter ended June 30, 2019, were $6.8 million compared to $2.9 million for the quarter ended June 30, 2018.

The decrease in selling, general and administrative expenses resulted primarily from an increase in expenses mostly relating to pre-commercialization activities and market research.

Our net loss for the second quarter ended June 30, 2019, was $19 million or $0.35 per diluted share compared to net loss of $18.6 million or $0.46 per diluted share in the second quarter ended June 30, 2018.

At June 30, 2019, we had cash and cash equivalents of $70 million compared to cash and cash equivalents of $99.4 million at December 30, 2018.

As Dave mentioned, we completed financing on July 30 that secured up to $64 million in cash, with $29 million of this added to our balance sheet upon closing of the transaction based on our current plans, if all goes well, and assuming we successfully meet all conditions, milestones and revenue targets set out in the credit agreement, we believe our existing cash and investments will be sufficient to fund our operating expenses and capital requirements through 2020.

These planned expenses include pre-commercialization and launch preparation for FMX101 and FMX103, assuming we receive regulatory approval, certain pipeline development activities, and other general corporate expenses.

For further details on our financials, including the results for the 6 months period ended June 30, 2019, please refer to the Form 10-Q in the financial statement filed with the SEC yesterday. I'll now hand the call back to Dave for final remarks.


David T. Domzalski, Foamix Pharmaceuticals Ltd. - CEO & Director [5]


Thanks, Ilan. This again is very exciting period for Foamix. We believe that the progress we are making on the clinical, regulatory and commercial fronts will position the company to become a leader in dermatology.

We are in the very fortunate situation of having 2 NDAs submitted to the FDA, and we are actively preparing for the exciting opportunities ahead for us.

We look forward to sharing further achievements with you, as we continue to execute our development and growth strategies, and build value for our stakeholders.

With that now, we'll open the call up for questions. So I'll turn it over to the operator. Thanks.


Questions and Answers


Operator [1]


(Operator Instructions) The first question is from Louise Chen of Cantor Fitzgerald.


Sudan Naveen Loganathan, Cantor Fitzgerald & Co., Research Division - Analyst [2]


This is Sudan Loganathan in for Louise. I got few questions here. So first, I wanted to ask in terms of the go-to-market strategy for FMX101, will there be a direct-to-consumer campaign or anything planned? And will that be announced after the PDUFA date? And what other activity will happen prior to the PDUFA date?

Secondly, in regards to the sales force, how many individuals are you targeting to hire, to fill up the sales force? And then how do we account this in the SG&A and for the upcoming quarters has the hiring already completed or not?

And then in terms of the launch for seasonality or effects to insurance reimbursement. Is that what makes an early 2020 launch advantageous? Or is there any other effects to launching in early 2020? And will there be a free sample period or something that will initiate at the launch?

And then in regards to the 16 million patients in the U.S. for papulopustular rosacea, how many are currently treated? And or patients that are not responding to current treatment?


David T. Domzalski, Foamix Pharmaceuticals Ltd. - CEO & Director [3]


Thanks, Sudan. These questions, I think will be great for Matt to address. So Matt, go ahead.


Matt Wiley, Foamix Pharmaceuticals Ltd. - Chief Commercial Officer [4]


Sure. So as it relates to directing its consumer campaign for FMX101, we have previously communicated that we believe that there's a strong digital strategy for this market. We're looking at generation Z as our primary target audience and their social media consumption habits and digital media consumption habits have been analyzed. And so that is how we intend to market directly to consumers potentially for FMX101. We don't anticipate any television type of DTC campaigns or anything of that nature.

As it relates to sales force sizing, we've identified that we will launch for 6 regions, and that is going to comprise 51 sales representatives. The rationale to launch in early 2020 is predicated on the fact that we want to derisk the hiring of our sales representatives. So we'll make our offers to sales representatives contingent on FDA approval.

We want to provide them the opportunity to disengage from their current employers, so that's going to take a couple of weeks, and then we have to train them.

So we will do some soft launch activities in December. But we intend to have our full launch meeting in early January and then deploy them for a full year in 2020.

As it relates to the rosacea market opportunity. So 16 million is the prevalence. The number of actively treated patients under the care of a physician in the United States is around 650,000 annually. That number is pliable. We actually believe that, that market does have some ability to move. And so there have been activities in the past that we have observed that has had an impact on the market. And we look at that as a potential opportunity down the line.


Operator [5]


The next question is from Jason Gerberry of Bank of America.


Unidentified Analyst, [6]


This is [Chi] on for Jason. Two from me. First on R&D, do you think the current run rate is a pretty good proxy for the remainder of the year? Just wondering how we should balance the puts and takes given that you're winding down on registration of events for 101 and 103. But then you also have new studies to initiate.

My second question is on 101. Have you had any additional dialogue with the agency, with the FDA on the inspectional observations that the agency made in April? Just curious, has the company responded to those observations? And did the FDA have any additional feedback since the last update?


David T. Domzalski, Foamix Pharmaceuticals Ltd. - CEO & Director [7]


Sure. I'll address both of these. First of all, regarding the update on the progress of our NDA review. We feel quite good about how things have progressed. We've had ongoing fluid exchanges with the agency. We have responded to their requests, and we believe the responses that we provided have been satisfactory. So again things continue to progress as expected. We are through the mid cycle review period, we are right in the middle of what we consider the late cycle review assuming that continues without any issue. We would hope and anticipate that we would begin to move towards product labeling negotiation, sometime next month as we get closer to the PDUFA action date of October 20.

So hopefully, [Chi], that addresses your question on the exchanges with the FDA.

Coming back to your question regarding the R&D spend rate. You're absolutely right. We've pretty much obviously concluded the spend on 101 and 103 for the most parts in terms of R&D.

We have 1 particular clinical program which is FCD105, which I mentioned that we're preparing to initiate a Phase II study. That's a relatively low-cost program, certainly considerably less than any Phase III work that we've done with 101 and 103 in the past.

And that's spread out, obviously, those costs are -- will move through the end of this year, and then obviously, through the first quarter or 2 next year.

I think overall, when we look at our cash and our burn, obviously, our R&D cost continue to decrease, and then obviously, as we move towards the back end of this year, the spend will begin to ramp up for commercialization.

And I think just to echo some of the comments that Matt had mentioned earlier, we have dated various expenses until approval, most notably, as Matt outlined, the onboarding of our sales force.

So this idea of hiring our sales colleagues on a contingent basis, we believe is a smart approach. Managing our cash this way allows us to fully deploy our medical communication, strategic marketing, and market access initiatives while having the operations of sales force teams, ready for us to pull the trigger as soon as 101 is approved.

So we think this is a smart prudent way to manage our cash. So hopefully that gives you a sense on how we're handling that both from an R&D perspective as well as pre-commercialization activities.


Operator [8]


Our next question is from Ram Selvaraju of H.C. Wainwright.


Raghuram Selvaraju, H.C. Wainwright & Co, LLC, Research Division - MD of Equity Research & Senior Healthcare Analyst [9]


Just a couple on the competitive landscape. You mentioned specifically with regard to the follow-on combination product, including adapalene that this is well known retinoid-based agent.

And I was wondering if you could just comment on what the current most prevalent, most widely used combination products are that are currently in the market that utilize adapalene as a component. Also if you could maybe make some general comments regarding the formulation advantages using your technology platform that 101 and 103 would be able to avail themselves of as and when entering the market, specifically with respect to the characteristics of the foam relative to formulations that are currently utilized.

And lastly, I was wondering, specific, with regard to 103. If you could comment on what potential impact on the market outlook the introduction of a generic ivermectin product might have?


David T. Domzalski, Foamix Pharmaceuticals Ltd. - CEO & Director [10]


Sure. I will address the first question, Raj, which is the most widely used, most commonly used combination product with adapalene is the Epiduo franchise, which is the combination of adapalene plus benzoyl peroxide.

So there is Epiduo and Epiduo Forte. And then the adapalene product as a standalone non-combination product is -- the brand will be different. So this is a franchise that has been widely used for several years and really the Epiduo franchise has, if you take a look at prescription, our revenue numbers has been historically the largest topical brand for the treatment of acne.

So as I outlined earlier, we believe that the benefits of minocycline, which we believe are widely known, and we believe we've demonstrated that in our clinical trials, combine that with the mechanism of actions from retinoid such as adapalene. We believe combining those 2 products could provide significant benefit and address even further unmet needs for patients that have acne.

So we're bullish about the potential of this product, assuming it gets through to the clinic, and ultimately, is available for registration.

I'll turn the next couple of questions over to Matt on the formulation advantages for our products, which where we, again are, obviously, quite proud of. And then, the potential impact on a generic ivermectin into the marketplace. So Matt?


Matt Wiley, Foamix Pharmaceuticals Ltd. - Chief Commercial Officer [11]


So thanks, Dave. So as it relates to the combination advantage. First of all, minocycline has been around for 47-plus years and has not been available in a topical formulation. So I think that the most obvious in our molecule stabilizing technology platform is to get this drug into a topical formulation, which will reduce the systemic exposure to the drug, which we know has some issues in the oral, and then also based on the clinical profile, we understand that the cutaneous side effect can be relatively low, considering that this is not an aqueous-based product.

As it relates to ivermectin going generic on 103. So we recently conducted a demand study that evaluated our product profile or target product profile in relation to all of the products on the market, and we do believe that we are disruptive in 103 -- in the rosacea space as we were in the acne space with FMX101, in so much that we are displacing products across the board.

So as a generic enters the market, obviously, we think about our markets in the branded space, but also as we carve out additional market share in the generic space.

The branded space still represents about 30% of the total Rx volume and the majority of the revenue in rosacea.

So those things are all part of the consideration as we enter the market, but because it is disruptive, we expect to take share from many different competitors in the market, including generic.


David T. Domzalski, Foamix Pharmaceuticals Ltd. - CEO & Director [12]


This is Dave. I will follow up a few additional thoughts on the advantages of our market stabilizing technology for our top foam formulation for FMX101 and FMX103.

Now as Matt alluded to, if you think through the treatment options that are out there for both acne and rosacea, you have your oral therapies, primarily oral antibiotics, minocycline and doxycycline, which is associated with various systemic side effects, primarily GI upset, as well as more CNS vestibular type side effects, which would include dizziness, vertigo. And obviously, there is photosensitivity, which you see in taking these products through an oral route of administration. We have not seen this in our studies at least to date in applying our products topically.

So that's obviously an issue that we believe our products can help address. Conversely, when you take a look at some of the leading topical therapies that are out there in these categories, especially products that have retinoids and/or benzoyl peroxide in combination with them. You get -- you can get rather cumbersome and difficult to deal with topical side effects or dermal side effects of the skin, and these include redness, dryness, itchiness, scaling of the facial area the skin area, in general.

And ultimately, these can lead to challenges with compliance, and especially, when you look at patients that often may be taking multiple therapies. They may take an oral antibiotic or some type of systematic therapy and a topical, and now you're dealing with the side effects associated with both.

Again, with the product like ours, we believe that we provide the advantages of some of these systemic (inaudible) and oral antibiotics such as minocycline has been widely used. It's well recognized as being an effective means to treat acne and rosacea because of its anti-inflammatory qualities and its antibiotic qualities.

But again, we have not seen, certainly because it's delivered topically, we have not seen the systemic side effects. Because our products does not have a retinoid in it.

It does not have benzoyl peroxide, more importantly, it does not have the surfactants that are often associated with skin irritation.

The dermal side effect profile that we've seen with our product has been quite positive. I'll take you back to some of the data that we have previously announced in our long-term studies for both 101 and 103. We measure, obviously, severity of dermal side effects, basically none, mild, moderate, severe. And what we have seen in both our long-term studies for 101 and 103 is that over 95% of the patients that have taken our products that their dermal side effects have been registered as either none or mild.

So a very, very small number of patients have registered dermal side effects that were more significant than none at all or mild.

So we're obviously quite proud of those results. We believe it reflects that our product seems to be quite well tolerated. And I think when you add all this into the mix, we believe in terms of our value proposition that if our products are approved and introduced into the market whether for acne and rosacea, that you potentially get the benefits you would seek from an oral therapy with the side effect profile that you would want from an ideal topical therapy, which many of the current topical therapies don't provide. So hopefully that provides some additional color around that for you.


Raghuram Selvaraju, H.C. Wainwright & Co, LLC, Research Division - MD of Equity Research & Senior Healthcare Analyst [13]


Yes. No, that's very, very helpful. Just 2 other very, very quick ones. You mentioned the concept of reasonable pricing being able to facilitate appropriate and attractive formulary positioning. I was wondering if you could just talk a little bit more about, kind of, the pricing paradigm that you think would enable favorable formulary positioning from the get-go.

And also if you could just comment on whether or not you folks envisage returning to active development of any doxycycline containing product candidates in the future?


David T. Domzalski, Foamix Pharmaceuticals Ltd. - CEO & Director [14]


Sure. I'll talk about those. First of all, in terms of doxycycline, as you know, historically in the past we've worked on doxycycline foam-based product. Some time ago, we did some initial proof-of-concept studies with a doxycycline foam-based product.

The short answer is yes. We've actually communicated in our R&D investor day earlier this year that we are working on development of a doxycycline based topical product.

And we're working on it for a variety of potential indications. Obviously, nothing further to announce about moving into a clinical program. But in short, that is a program we've worked on, and we believe that can provide potentially value to address unmet needs and certain conditions that we are exploring. So the short answer is yes. So stay tuned for more information on that. The other question that you asked, one more time, please. About pricing, right? Pricing, I believe that it was?


Raghuram Selvaraju, H.C. Wainwright & Co, LLC, Research Division - MD of Equity Research & Senior Healthcare Analyst [15]




David T. Domzalski, Foamix Pharmaceuticals Ltd. - CEO & Director [16]


Yes. So as Matt outlined on the pricing piece. Our research continues to suggest that we want to have our product or the payers looking for our products to be somewhere in the $200 to $400 range, net to plan. We have not obviously determined what our final unit price will be.

We'll continue to do research, and we'll announce that final price as we get, just before launch.

I think the key takeaways when you look at some of the other therapies that are out there, especially the oral therapies, oral minocycline, oral doxycycline, these are products that are significantly more expensive upwards of $1,000 is the wholesale acquisition cost per month of therapy.

Our objective when it's all said and done, is we want to make sure that our product is accessible to patients and the caregivers, and do whatever we can to minimize pushback or challenges at the pharmacy level.

We believe our research continues to be positive that getting broad access is indeed feasible, and we'll continue to work on all the leverage that we can pull to make sure that happens at launch.


Raghuram Selvaraju, H.C. Wainwright & Co, LLC, Research Division - MD of Equity Research & Senior Healthcare Analyst [17]


Okay. Can you just clarify though in your sampling market research, this $300 to $400 pricing range corresponds to what type of Tier positioning?


Matt Wiley, Foamix Pharmaceuticals Ltd. - Chief Commercial Officer [18]


So this is Matt. The types of Tier positioning that we look at between that $200 to $400 range that was in our research is anywhere between possibly Tier 2, but most likely Tier 3.

And obviously, the higher you go increases the types of controls that the plans will use.

So they will use either step edits or prior authorization. We believe anything over $400 net to plan is going to yield much more restrictive access using tools like exclusion, et cetera.

So the idea is to: a, as Dave mentioned, price responsibly; one other dimension to pricing to consider is that we've said previously, we want to price FMX101 and 103 at parity.

The important consideration there is that the range of prices for competitive branded products in acne is very different than that in rosacea. There are fewer branded players in rosacea today. And the ranges of those drugs are anywhere between $340 whack to about a $750 whack. So we're considering all of those things as we land on our final price for FMX101.


Operator [19]


The next question is from [Patrick Dolezal] of (inaudible) Capital.


Valentyna Chebanova, LifeSci Capital, LLC, Research Division - Research Associate [20]


I think that was LifeSci Capital. This is Valentyna on for Patrick. Just one from us, can you provide any additional color on the requirements for the settlement there, charges of the credit agreement? Which refers to the regulatory milestones please?


David T. Domzalski, Foamix Pharmaceuticals Ltd. - CEO & Director [21]


Sure. So regarding the regulatory milestones and the credit agreement, we have the potential access to up to $20 million upon approval of FMX101. And completion of the supply agreement with our contract manufacturing organization, which we are finalizing literally as we speak. The -- that is for the second tranche, and then the third tranche is based on revenue milestones. The actual sales number has not been disclosed. We have, however, disclosed our 8-K, the minimum revenue covenants throughout the term of the loan. We're highly confident in our ability to achieve both the minimum revenue covenants and the revenue milestone next year to have access to third tranche of $15 million.

I think in the end, the way that this credit agreement is structured, it really underscores the collaborative and supportive approach through the credit agreement from both Perceptive and OrbiMed which again are our 2 largest shareholders. So we believe that again these milestones are obviously, very doable, we're highly confident in both.


Operator [22]


This concludes the question-and-answer session. Now I would like to turn the call back to you for any closing remarks.


David T. Domzalski, Foamix Pharmaceuticals Ltd. - CEO & Director [23]


Okay. Thank you, operator. And again, I want to thank everyone who has taken time out of their busy schedules, I know for everybody on this call, we're in the thick of earnings season. So thanks for making time for this call. Enjoy the rest of your week and weekend. We look forward to providing you with further updates as events progress. Thank you very much.


Operator [24]


This concludes today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines. Thank you for participating. And have a pleasant day.