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Q3 2019 Colabor Group Inc Earnings Call

Boucherville Oct 23, 2019 (Thomson StreetEvents) -- Edited Transcript of Colabor Group Inc earnings conference call or presentation Friday, October 18, 2019 at 1:00:00pm GMT

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Corporate Participants

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* Pierre Gagné

Colabor Group Inc. - President, Interim CEO, VP & CFO

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Conference Call Participants

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* Adam P. Sues

Yacktman Asset Management LP - Partner & Portfolio Manager

* Derek J. Lessard

TD Securities Equity Research - Research Analyst

* John Rakotondrajaona

Claret Asset Management Corporation - Investment Research Analyst

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Presentation

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Operator [1]

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Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by. Welcome to Colabor's Third Quarter 2019 Earnings Call. (Operator Instructions)

Before turning the meeting over to management, I would like to remind listeners that this conference call contains forward-looking information within the meaning of applicable Canadian securities laws and subject to a number of risks and uncertainties that cause actual results to differ materially from those anticipated. I refer the audience to the forward-looking statement as detailed in the presentation supporting this conference call and available on the company's website in the Investors section under Events and Presentations at www.colabor.com. Furthermore, risks are discussed throughout the MD&A for the 16- and 52-week periods ended December 29, 2018, under the heading Risks.

I would like to remind everyone that this conference call is being recorded today, October 18, 2019.

I will now turn the conference over to Pierre Gagné, Interim CEO and CFO. Please go ahead, sir.

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Pierre Gagné, Colabor Group Inc. - President, Interim CEO, VP & CFO [2]

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Thank you. Good morning, everybody. Welcome to Colabor's Group Third Quarter Results Conference Call. I'm Pierre Gagné. I'm the Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer as well as currently the Interim Chief Executive Officer.

Yesterday, we issued our earnings press release. It can be found along with our financial statements and MD&A on our website and on SEDAR.

As you are aware, Colabor has seen some changes to its leadership during the last 2 months, following Lionel Ettedgui resignation, we appointed Mr. Briscoe, a shareholder and accomplished food distribution entrepreneur and then myself to take over the Interim. Mr. Briscoe remains on the Board and has made himself available to support our team.

There have been no further changes to our leadership team, and everyone at the executive level remains dedicated to executing our transformation plan. Our Board of Directors is also actively engaged in this executive search process and it's advancing well. We will communicate any updates.

Concurrently with the recent changes to our leadership, we announced the extension of the option to purchase Dubé Loiselle for a period of 90 days following the nomination of the new full-time CEO.

During the last 15 months, Colabor has implemented a transformation plan that aims to improve our competitive position and profitability. This plan revolves around 3 pillars. The first one, grow our Broadline Distribution activities; the second one, integrate and optimize our business units; and thirdly, reduce the level of debt.

Since starting this plan, we have successfully executed several initiatives that have driven results over the last few quarters. More -- most importantly, we improved our customer mix and profitability by not renewing nonprofitable contracts. We grew our street business in Québec, and we sold Viandes Décarie, allowing us to reduce our debt.

Yesterday, with the release of our financial results, we concurrently announced a mutual agreement to early terminate our supply agreement with Recipe Unlimited, which had been weighing significantly on our past years' financial and operational results. With our decision to concentrate on profitability, growing our Broadline Distribution activities and optimizing all our business units, we took the necessary decision to negotiate the early termination of this logistic contract. We are very pleased with the outcome and with our customer's collaboration. We will gradually stop servicing this contract until March 2020. There are no penalties associated with the end of this contract, and no liabilities will remain after this termination.

Initially entered into in 2007, the contract with Recipe was renewed in 2015 and currently generates annual sales of approximately $255 million and represents approximately a negative adjusted EBITDA of $4 million when you look at it on an annual basis. Over the next 5 months, as we gradually cease supplying the Recipe banners, we will be evaluating various alternatives and opportunities to strengthen our operations in Ontario and leverage our existing resources.

Depending on the various alternatives that we are currently evaluating, it can be reasonably expected that there will be a restructuring cost in the amount of $8 million to $9 million. Now I want to underline that in the near term, these restructuring costs will be essentially paid for by the realization of Recipe inventory and account receivable net of related accounts payable. Under the termination agreement, Recipe will purchase the remaining inventory on March 31, 2020.

We also believe that this is an opportunity for us to refocus and strengthen our activities in Ontario by improving our ability to serve our existing customers and grow our Broadline business with smaller independents. This contract termination frees up important human and financial results -- resources, my apologies. In the coming months, we will dedicate these resources to further optimizing our distribution centers, use only our newest state-of-the-art refrigerated trucks and trailers that provide better quality control and on-time delivery, leverage our experienced drivers and customer representative and finally, improve our overall responsiveness.

In the coming quarters, we will work to manage the effect of the loss of volume on this business unit's profitability and constantly evaluate the effectiveness of our optimization measures. We believe that starting in the second half of 2020, our objective is to be in a position to start delivering margin improvements and raise this business unit's contribution to our group's operating profitability.

And now for a review of our financial results for the 84- and 252-day periods ended September 7, 2019. Our results for the third quarter have progressed as planned from the continued implementation of Colabor's transformation plan. Consolidated sales were down by 1.5% or $4 million in the third quarter to $261.5 million. Sales in the Distribution segment decreased by 2.2%. Although we experienced growth in the specialty distribution activities of fish and seafood, this was offset by lower volume in Ontario and from our decision to concentrate on more profitable routes in Québec and the Maritimes. Sales in the wholesale segment increased by 1.8%. Our new targeted sales strategies started generating good results in the recent months and contributed to revenue growth, which was slightly mitigated by the original effect of the nonrenewal of nonprofitable contracts.

Adjusted EBITDA for the third quarter reached $6.2 million, it's a decrease of $600,000 compared to the corresponding period of 2018. If we factor in the reversal of $1.1 million of provision that took place in the third quarter of last year, we have an improvement in the adjusted EBITDA of 8.5% year-over-year.

Net earnings from continuing operations stood at $1.6 million, up almost double compared to the corresponding quarter of 2018. This improvement stems from lower net earnings in the third quarter of 2018 from a $2.4 million impairment loss and from a $1.2 million in costs not related to operations. For the same reasons, net earnings for the third quarter reached $1.7 million or $0.02 per share compared to $1.2 million or $0.01 per share for the corresponding period of last fiscal year.

Cash flow from our operating activities amounted to $21.2 million during the third quarter compared to $10.9 million for the corresponding period of 2018. This increase is mainly due to a lower use of working capital. As of September 7, 2019, the company's total debt, including convertible debentures and bank indebtedness, amounted to $81.6 million, down $33.8 million from 12 months ago. The net proceeds from the sale of the Viandes Décarie division and the increase in cash flow from operating activities have allowed the reimbursement of $5 million of subordinated debt and the reduction of the amount of outstanding on the credit facility.

Our total debt to last 12-month adjusted EBITDA ratio now stands at 4.3x, which is down sequentially from the second quarter of 2019 when the ratio stood at 5x, and down significantly from the equivalent quarter last year when the ratio stood at 6.8x. Now if we exclude the convertible debentures, this ratio now stands at 1.7x versus 2.5x in the second quarter of 2019.

That concludes my initial remarks. And I would like now to turn the call over to the operator for the Q&A period.

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Questions and Answers

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Operator [1]

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(Operator Instructions) Your first question comes from the line of Derek Lessard from TD Securities.

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Derek J. Lessard, TD Securities Equity Research - Research Analyst [2]

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I was wondering if maybe you could clarify, again, how much EBITDA the Recipe contract was generating? And what the impact was on the EBITDA margin?

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Pierre Gagné, Colabor Group Inc. - President, Interim CEO, VP & CFO [3]

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Well, the contract, as we said in the press release, generated a negative EBITDA of $4 million with sales of $255 million.

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Derek J. Lessard, TD Securities Equity Research - Research Analyst [4]

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Okay. What's the...

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Pierre Gagné, Colabor Group Inc. - President, Interim CEO, VP & CFO [5]

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So $4 million, that's on a yearly basis.

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Derek J. Lessard, TD Securities Equity Research - Research Analyst [6]

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Okay. So I guess, like, going into this contract, did we know -- did you guys know it would be, I guess, a negative EBITDA contributor? And I guess, if so do you know what the rationale was?

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Pierre Gagné, Colabor Group Inc. - President, Interim CEO, VP & CFO [7]

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Well, there's been -- I don't want to deflect your question. It's just I don't know when they took the contract. If you want the rationale behind it, I could just tell you that as we went through the process this year of looking at, as we said, as optimizing our business, we look at -- if you remember, Lionel was doing that and we continue to do that, is to look at our contracts and see what makes sense for the company. And I cannot comment as to what was done in the past and just could tell you that when we did our analysis, we concluded that this contract on our business was draining resources.

So with the collaboration of Recipe, we came to the conclusion that it was better for everybody to move on. And as far as we're concerned is I cannot go back and try to determine what was done or not. I have to look at what it is. It's a contract, as you know, that there's still 3 years to go with an option of 2 years left after that at the -- at Recipe's desire. And we felt that we couldn't continue and it was better off to move on. So I don't want to judge or qualify how it was done in the past. We look at what it is today and move on.

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Derek J. Lessard, TD Securities Equity Research - Research Analyst [8]

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Okay. But I mean -- I understand how it could be unprofitable, but what happens to, like, your route and planned efficiencies when you lose $255 million in annual volumes? And I guess, how do you expect to recoup those volumes and, I guess, get that $4 million in EBITDA back?

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Pierre Gagné, Colabor Group Inc. - President, Interim CEO, VP & CFO [9]

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Well, it's -- as we've looked at the route before we made a decision, we're of the view with the plan that we've put in place that this $4 million will -- should not longer subside as we've said in the press release in the second half -- starting the second half of 2020. So as we go along, the plan is already in place to reaffect, if you want, or readjust these routes.

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Derek J. Lessard, TD Securities Equity Research - Research Analyst [10]

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So despite, I guess -- so I guess, we should be modeling a drop in volumes, but an increase -- so $255 million in sales roughly and expect a $4 million bump to your EBITDA starting in the second half of 2020?

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Pierre Gagné, Colabor Group Inc. - President, Interim CEO, VP & CFO [11]

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But -- yes. And -- but I would just cautious -- caution you not to -- it's not day 1. It will start gradually as we go along and reach a late 2020 probably or more likely early 2021 that we will be at a more -- at a cruising speed, if I may put it this way, to improve the EBITDA. It won't happen if you want the first day of Q3. I think we have to be cognizant of that fact.

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Derek J. Lessard, TD Securities Equity Research - Research Analyst [12]

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Okay. Still on the Distribution business, I guess I'm going back 2 quarters. You guys did have 2 quarters of margin expansion, and that was no longer the case in Q3. And I don't know if you add back the $1.2 million reversal in that segment particularly and even at that your -- you would be flat year-over-year in terms of the margin. Just wondering what was driving the margin compression there and why it was either negative or flat versus being up in the first 2 quarters.

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Pierre Gagné, Colabor Group Inc. - President, Interim CEO, VP & CFO [13]

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Good question. I wouldn't use the word margin compression. I think as we've said in the past, Derek, is that every quarter has its situations. As you rightly pointed out, last year, there were some onetime favorable adjustments. When you factor that out of the equation, the EBITDA margin is essentially flat with last year. So -- for that segment. So to me is that we cannot look at one specific situation for 1 quarter. We're working towards improving the margin quarter-over-quarter. And that's what's happening. There's nothing more specific in this quarter. I think we did very good cost reduction in that segment of the business adjusting it with our revenue coming down. Sometimes, it's not coming at exactly -- the timing may not be exactly perfect, but this is what we're aiming at.

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Derek J. Lessard, TD Securities Equity Research - Research Analyst [14]

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Okay. And I guess, like, in your prepared remarks and in the MD&A, you had spoke to a desire to refocus the Broadline Distribution on more profitable niches. Could you maybe just add some color to what those niches would be?

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Pierre Gagné, Colabor Group Inc. - President, Interim CEO, VP & CFO [15]

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Yes. So one element that we need focus much more is in the street business, and I'm assuming you're referring to Ontario right now. The street business is something that we need to really address and spend a lot of time. And this is what we've started to do this summer, and that's what we will be focusing, of course, for the future because the street business has a higher margin, as you know.

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Derek J. Lessard, TD Securities Equity Research - Research Analyst [16]

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Yes. All right. Maybe just switching gears to the Wholesale business. It looks like it was a good -- it was a decent quarter there. Just wondering what were the drivers in that -- in the Wholesale segment this quarter.

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Pierre Gagné, Colabor Group Inc. - President, Interim CEO, VP & CFO [17]

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Yes. What we're focusing now is -- and it's been successful and the sales team had a very good strategy is to the what we call the all-in, all-out strategy in Québec, where the smaller -- if you want, our smaller client base now are buying much more from our business, and we did some great strides on that segment with the strategy that we put forward.

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Derek J. Lessard, TD Securities Equity Research - Research Analyst [18]

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Yes. Maybe could you just clarify what that is, the all-in, all-out?

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Pierre Gagné, Colabor Group Inc. - President, Interim CEO, VP & CFO [19]

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Okay. The clarification of that for people on the call is that what we're trying to do is not just trying to -- for a specific customer, is not to sell specifically or the customer not just coming for specific product because we have a better pricing but trying to offer a pricing for their complete -- if you want, to satisfy their full needs and aiming towards that. So what it does is that you get a better share of wallet from the -- these customers. So we saw some great progress with many customers, and we've been working at it now for a few quarters. And of course, things sometimes take time, but it seems to be working, and our customer seems to be very pleased with this, if you want, new feature or new option for them.

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Derek J. Lessard, TD Securities Equity Research - Research Analyst [20]

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Is that what you mean by when you said that you targeted or that improvement was due to a targeted sales strategy?

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Pierre Gagné, Colabor Group Inc. - President, Interim CEO, VP & CFO [21]

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I wouldn't use the targeted sales strategy, but I think when we sit down with a customer and trying to find out what are their needs and how you go -- how do you go about it, and not just sale, like, if you have a product and that is the lowest price and then he buys it from you but goes to somewhere else to buy product B is how could you organize a situation or organize a setup with the customer that he could purchase essentially all of its product directly to -- with Colabor, and it's a win-win. Win in a sense that it's easier for the customer in terms of the logistics and for us, it's -- still make a profitable venue to do that. That's why you saw the sales coming up, and it's starting to take strides. So I think we're progressing well on that front, and the team -- the sales team is very, very excited about that.

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Derek J. Lessard, TD Securities Equity Research - Research Analyst [22]

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Okay. I just want to -- I guess I want to still get the clarification on how you expect to fill in or recover from a loss of -- a significant loss in volumes on the Distribution side. I thought...

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Pierre Gagné, Colabor Group Inc. - President, Interim CEO, VP & CFO [23]

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What do you mean? I'm not sure I understand to recover. I think you should look at it more as to rightsize it or to shrink it to make money. I think that's what it should be looked at. The team in Ontario, I mean understands the situation. They knew that this contract was not profitable. And the management, both in Ontario and here, understood the situation. And we think it's going to be beneficial for our shareholders over time. So in the last 15 months, if you look, for example, by not renewing certain contracts in Québec as well, it has helped us by reorganizing our operation to improve our profit. So I think you should look at that along the same path.

There's nothing very different in that scenario than it is. Now when you're losing $4 million of EBITDA, that's the $4 million you don't have to invest elsewhere in your business if need be or reduce that. So we think that as we sat down and looked at that as a management team that it was a better scenario. Of course, we would have liked to keep and continue with Recipe should it had been profitable for us. So it's not an easy decision to make, but it's a decision for us that we needed to make in order to achieve the objective of improving results.

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Derek J. Lessard, TD Securities Equity Research - Research Analyst [24]

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Okay. So maybe if I ask the question in a different way. So after you rightsize the business, at some point, I guess, you would expect that you would have to go out and get organic sales growth?

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Pierre Gagné, Colabor Group Inc. - President, Interim CEO, VP & CFO [25]

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I'm sorry. It's going to be done at the same time. It's not sequential. So it's not because we rightsize on one side that we wait until we rightsize to start selling. So these 2 things, the focus has been there, but the focus is going to be amplified to do so. So I just want to outline that. It's not sequential. It's together.

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Derek J. Lessard, TD Securities Equity Research - Research Analyst [26]

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So right now, are you driving organic growth in your base business?

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Pierre Gagné, Colabor Group Inc. - President, Interim CEO, VP & CFO [27]

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We do. Yes. We do.

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Derek J. Lessard, TD Securities Equity Research - Research Analyst [28]

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Okay. Can you -- and I guess what...

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Pierre Gagné, Colabor Group Inc. - President, Interim CEO, VP & CFO [29]

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We haven't disclosed -- I don't want to get into the specifics. There's a somewhat selective disclosure in the statements, but we do grow the business.

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Derek J. Lessard, TD Securities Equity Research - Research Analyst [30]

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Okay. One final one for me then. Or actually, I have 2 more. In your search for a new CEO, I guess I'm wondering on whether or not the strategy continues as is? Or do you expect changes? Or I guess what are the criteria that you're looking for in a new -- in new leadership.

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Pierre Gagné, Colabor Group Inc. - President, Interim CEO, VP & CFO [31]

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As you will appreciate, Derek, I'm not a candidate, for one, and for two, the Board hasn't asked me to decide on what type of candidate. But let's put it this way, the strategy that Lionel put forward is continuing. Yesterday at the Board, I haven't heard or seen any changes. Maybe with the new CEO, there may be some tweaks. I don't know. We'll have to see. A strategy over time evolve, a strategy over time could take a tweak here and there, but the main objective is still the same, grow our Broadline, reduce debt and be more efficient operator at the end of the day. So these 3 pillars are still there. Now we could take shades -- different shades over time, but this will remain for -- in my opinion, for the foreseeable future. I haven't heard anything different at the Board yesterday.

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Operator [32]

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(Operator Instructions) Your next question comes from the line of John Rakoto (sic) [John Rakotondrajaona] from Claret.

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John Rakotondrajaona, Claret Asset Management Corporation - Investment Research Analyst [33]

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I have a couple of ones. First one, going back to the loss of volumes at Recipe, you mentioned that you are losing $4 million of EBITDA in the move. So just wondering, strictly on a cash flow basis, how much you're losing here?

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Pierre Gagné, Colabor Group Inc. - President, Interim CEO, VP & CFO [34]

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I'm sorry, how much cash flow we're losing? Say that again.

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John Rakotondrajaona, Claret Asset Management Corporation - Investment Research Analyst [35]

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Yes. How much of a -- on the cash flow on a -- on a cash -- from a cash flow perspective, how much you're losing here?

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Pierre Gagné, Colabor Group Inc. - President, Interim CEO, VP & CFO [36]

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Well, if we have a negative EBITDA of $4 million -- if I understand your question properly, you would have a $4 million cash flow during -- basically, essentially, not maybe to the $0.01, but it would be very close.

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John Rakotondrajaona, Claret Asset Management Corporation - Investment Research Analyst [37]

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Okay. Where are your operations in Ontario right now? Where do you stand at in Ontario? Is there still -- does it still make sense for you to stay in Ontario after this? Or you're kind of also reviewing the size and scope of your business there?

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Pierre Gagné, Colabor Group Inc. - President, Interim CEO, VP & CFO [38]

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No. But as I said is there is a plan in place to -- you saw that there is a restructuring charge. So the restructuring charge is aiming at optimizing with the new volume in the business, and that's what's going to be. So to answer your question, yes, we'll continue in Ontario. But putting the right resources with the right -- for the right customers, which is the remaining business in terms of profitability. Not that Recipe was not the right customer, they were an excellent customer.

But in terms of -- for us to be profitable, that was the objective for us to -- now we need to -- now we're going to work on the rightsizing of the operation. We have a plan to that effect, and we'll communicate it as we go along very shortly. I don't want to commit to a specific date. As you know, we have still 3 months-plus to serve the current contract, and we will serve it appropriately and be responsive to their needs. So for the next 3 months, there shouldn't be that much of a change in our operation.

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John Rakotondrajaona, Claret Asset Management Corporation - Investment Research Analyst [39]

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Okay. Maybe the last one for me. Switching gears, have you decided anything regarding the option to buy out Dubé Loiselle?

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Pierre Gagné, Colabor Group Inc. - President, Interim CEO, VP & CFO [40]

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No. No. As we said, because of the situation, I think it's better off to wait for the new permanent CEO and he would have 90 days to assess. Of course, we did a lot of work on that front. So it would be essential to bring him up to speed and see his point of view and then go from there. So we haven't made any decision, but we would have 90 days post its coming, its venue, then we would take a decision.

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John Rakotondrajaona, Claret Asset Management Corporation - Investment Research Analyst [41]

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Okay. Maybe a very last one. With the sale of Viandes Décarie and the waning down of your business in Ontario, do you think you have the right size, you have the right assets right now? Or you're still reviewing the portfolio of assets also still?

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Pierre Gagné, Colabor Group Inc. - President, Interim CEO, VP & CFO [42]

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That's a good question. To answer that, there's always things that you may look at, but at this stage, there's nothing to announce. So I don't want to make any comments on that front. But if there is something to be announced, we would announce it. But that's all -- that's as much as I could tell you at this stage.

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Operator [43]

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We have a follow-up from Derek Lessard from TD Securities.

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Derek J. Lessard, TD Securities Equity Research - Research Analyst [44]

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Just one final one for me. I was just wondering if you still have a long way to go with addressing the unprofitable contracts in the balance of the -- of your portfolio?

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Pierre Gagné, Colabor Group Inc. - President, Interim CEO, VP & CFO [45]

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Well, as you know, I've been here for 4 months now, 4, 5 months. I cannot pretend I know all of the contracts. So say then, except for that, I think we're making great progress with -- I would say that the bulk of it is done. Is all of it done? That I cannot say, but I would say we've probably covered now the big ones at this stage. But I'll just make an exception that I'm new here, so I do not pretend to know them all, but the big stuff has been done. I would say then, the big -- if you want, the big rocks have been moved.

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Operator [46]

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And your next question comes from the line of Adam Sues from Yacktman Asset Management.

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Adam P. Sues, Yacktman Asset Management LP - Partner & Portfolio Manager [47]

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Another question on the Recipe contract. Is there any material difference in the amount of working capital used in the Recipe contract versus the broader kind of overall group average?

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Pierre Gagné, Colabor Group Inc. - President, Interim CEO, VP & CFO [48]

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That's a good question. Let me -- yes, it's a bit more working capital than the remainder of our business, a tad more. I don't have the specific percentage related to that, but I could tell you in terms of days sales outstanding, it's a little bit higher. In terms of inventory, it's a bit higher. But for the payables side, it's not much difference than the remainder of our business. So I would say a tad more. I don't think it's going to move in terms of DSO day sales outstanding, or DOI, day outstanding inventory. It will move the needle but not by much.

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Adam P. Sues, Yacktman Asset Management LP - Partner & Portfolio Manager [49]

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Okay. And of the restructuring charges that you're anticipating, is all of that going to be cash? Or is there going to be some noncash in there as well?

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Pierre Gagné, Colabor Group Inc. - President, Interim CEO, VP & CFO [50]

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Those are -- I'm going -- yes, it's -- I would say, the most part is cash. And as I said during the call, when you look at the working capital that we'll free up from the Recipe business, we should be essentially covered with the charge that we're planning to spend in order to terminate or to write-off or to terminate the type of agreements and severances.

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Adam P. Sues, Yacktman Asset Management LP - Partner & Portfolio Manager [51]

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And -- okay. And my last question on Recipe. If you gain back the $4 million in EBITDA that you were closing on the contract but given you're doing much lower volumes overall, do you lose EBITDA in other areas, just the less fixed cost absorption? Or is it a straight $4 million will help improve the bottom line?

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Pierre Gagné, Colabor Group Inc. - President, Interim CEO, VP & CFO [52]

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It looks to us that the -- based on the agreement that -- or, sorry, based on the analysis that we've done, we won't lose with -- and if you're referring to suppliers' rebate or suppliers' revenue in your question, this is something we looked at, and it's de minimis in terms of, if you want, impact. With respect to the fixed charges you refer to, by right rightsizing the organization, it's obvious that we will have to -- and it's included in the restructuring charges that we will have to do certain things with fixed charges.

Well, I'll let the operator -- I don't think there's any more questions, operator?

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Operator [53]

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No. There's no further questions. I turn the call back over to you for closing remarks.

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Pierre Gagné, Colabor Group Inc. - President, Interim CEO, VP & CFO [54]

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Well, thank you, everybody, for your questions. Thank you for the continuous listening of our conference call.

I just want to point out that Colabor continues to work with discipline and rigor to continue the transformation plan that we set forth 15 months ago. We believe that our recent decision to terminate our supply agreement with Recipe will accelerate our path to a higher operating profitability starting later in the second half of 2020. Until then, we continue to focus our attention on our value-creating niche and growing where it makes sense for Colabor. We have just scratched the surface, and there remains a lot of work to further optimize our business and continue reducing debt.

This concludes our call for the third quarter of 2019. Thank you for joining us. And I look forward to discussing our progress at our next conference call of the fourth quarter of 2019 or year-end 2019. We don't have a specific date at this stage, but it will be more likely than not the end of February, early March.

Again, thank you very much, and have a great weekend. Bye-bye.

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Operator [55]

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Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.