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Edited Transcript of KOPN earnings conference call or presentation 12-Mar-19 12:30pm GMT

Q4 2018 Kopin Corp Earnings Call

TAUNTON Mar 18, 2019 (Thomson StreetEvents) -- Edited Transcript of Kopin Corp earnings conference call or presentation Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 12:30:00pm GMT

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Corporate Participants

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* Chin Chiang Fan

Kopin Corporation - Co-Founder, Chairman, CEO & President

* Richard A. Sneider

Kopin Corporation - Treasurer & CFO

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Conference Call Participants

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* Glenn George Mattson

Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. Inc., Research Division - VP of Equity Research

* Jeffrey Bernstein

* Matthew Evan Galinko

National Securities Corporation, Research Division - Senior Research Analyst

* Patrick Metcalf

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Presentation

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Operator [1]

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Good morning, and welcome to Kopin Corporation's conference call to provide a business update and results for the fiscal fourth quarter and year ended December 29, 2018. Today's call is being recorded for Internet replay. You may access an archived version of the call on Kopin's website at www.kopin.com.

With us today from the company are Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Dr. John C.C. Fan; and Chief Financial Officer, Mr. Richard Sneider. Please go ahead, sir.

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Richard A. Sneider, Kopin Corporation - Treasurer & CFO [2]

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Thank you, operator. Welcome, everyone, and thank you for joining us this morning. John will begin today's call with a discussion of our strategy, technology and markets. I will go through the fourth quarter and 2018 results at a high level and then John will conclude our prepared remarks, and we'll be happy to take your questions.

I would like to remind everyone that during today's call taking place on Tuesday, March 12, 2019, we will be making forward-looking statements as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements are based on the company's current expectations, projections, beliefs and estimates and are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those forward-looking statements. Potential risks include, but are not limited to, demand for our products, operating results for our subsidiaries, market conditions and other factors discussed in our most recent annual report on Form 10-K and other documents filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The company undertakes no obligation to update the forward-looking statements made during today's call.

And with that, I'll turn it over to John.

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Chin Chiang Fan, Kopin Corporation - Co-Founder, Chairman, CEO & President [3]

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Thank you, Rich. Thank you for joining us today to discuss our fourth quarter and full year results.

2018 was a solid year for both our military and enterprise customers. We look to leverage this progress in 2019, with these 2 product lines driving our growth.

In 2018, our military revenues were closely tied to the progress in the F-35 fighter jet program. The global demand for the world's most advanced fighter jets continue to grow. We are pleased to see the announcement from Collins Elbit Visions Systems, who manufactures the helmet, that they just delivered their 1000th HMD for the F-35. An unmatched situational awareness provided by the HMD has been a key factor in driving the strong demand for the jet.

In order to see the image in very bright sky, the HMD requires displays with extreme brightness and ruggedness, and Kopin is the sole display provider to this program. The F-35 is expected to be the -- our defense department's primary fighter jet program to -- throughout at least 2035, so we're still very early in monetizing this program. The F-35 programs are also being sold to friendly governments around the world.

In 2018, we also began shipping into the Family of Weapon Sight-Individual military program, or FWS-I. The shipments are expected to continue to ramp in 2019 for this program.

Another Family of Weapons Sight program, FWS-CS, for Crew Served met its expected milestones in the development phase. We continue to assess in this phase. We expect FWS-CS to have initial production shipments starting in 2020. These 2 FWS programs are the follow-up programs after our very successful TWS program.

We're very pleased with the win for the armored vehicle display program for General Dynamics. This win was a joint effort with our wholly owned subsidiary Forth Dimension Displays and NVIS. It is early days for the armored vehicle display program. The development and tests will continue through 2020, followed by production.

We are sole source for this program, which provides us a revenue potential of about $100 million over the decade.

Forth Dimension Display recently also announced it has launched a 2k x 2k LCoS imager. This imager will be very useful for high-end 3D optical metrology applications. Forth Dimension Display already has the majority share in 3D optical inspection systems, which inspect small mechanical parts or premium circuit boards during their assembly process. In addition, the 2k x 2k square format will be ideal for specialized near-eye applications such as surgical microscope and electronic viewfinders for medical imaging.

As we expected, our enterprise customers have a very good year as many of the products are moving from testing to commercialization. The benefit of HMD to the enterprise are being recognized by many companies around the world for safety, for efficiency and for cost saving among others.

As we have discussed, our partner RealWear has been leading much of the growth. It's now selling to companies across many different industries and markets.

In just the past few weeks, we have seen very exciting development at RealWear. They really understand the opportunity to combine data with all the benefits of hands-free uses, whereby the human machine interface provides safety and cost savings I just mentioned, all within a very harsh environment. Kopin display modules are key element in creating RealWear HMD asset.

We also expect our global Tier 1 enterprise customer, which we mentioned last quarter, and which has purchased 5,000 units in late 2018, to begin shipping commercially shortly. As their sole display supplier, we look for this customer to help drive our enterprise business and further our leadership in the market.

The initial feedback on Golden-i Infinity evaluation program has been very positive. We began shipping evaluation units to a wide range of customers, including over a dozen Fortune 500 companies. They are leaders in oil, gas, transportation, wires, telecom, logistics and manufacturing industries as part of our Golden-i Infinity evaluation program.

With approximately 100 companies already registered, the evaluation program is designed to assist enterprise customers in making informed purchasing decisions when it comes to wearable mobile computing and assisted reality systems -- solutions.

Golden-i Infinity is purpose built for enterprise-level clients who wants a voice-enabled, hands-free wearable computing system designed to increase workers' productivity, efficiency and safety.

We continue our marketing efforts in SOLOS smart glasses by teaming with Training Peaks, a global leader in structured workouts, who provide complete solutions for smart and effective endurance training. The structured workout is synced to our SOLOS smart glasses by supporting the workout programs to SOLOS smart glasses on the users' smartphone, real-time performance such as duration, intensity and compliance is easily communicated via a visual and audio prompt to athletes, who can quickly know if they are meeting or missing their workout targets. SOLOS also partnered with CTS, a pioneer company in the endurance coaching business industry. CTS will provide its coaches, athletes, training participants to assess to our innovative, high-performance SOLOS smart glasses.

This partnership will bring together a company at the leading edge of performance and durable wearable technology who are a leader in the endurance sports coaching space. We look forward to the spring season to see these partnerships will bring a lot of fruits -- bear fruits.

While despite the disappointing speed of the adoption of VR and AR by the consumer market in 2018, we are optimistic that our organic light-admitting diodes, OLED, business will begin to ramp up this year.

There's no question that consumer demand for VR/AR has not developed at the rate industry experts and Kopin expected. But with our history of sitting at the center of developing technology markets, we have already seen the necessity of lower-cost, high-performance components before the market can develop.

Most recently, we saw this with LEDs, who did not really begin traction until the price of LED chips were driven down by increased supply.

With the expected completion shortly of BOE $150 million [indiscernible] OLED fabrication system, we believe we'll see a substantial increase in the supply of low-cost displays.

We believe the scale of BOE facilities, along with other new fabs coming online shortly, will increase the necessary component pricing curve, which will really help simulate -- stimulate the new application for VR and AR.

Recently, I shared Kopin's view at MIT Media Lab as part of AI Emotion Conference. And also at Harvard as part of the Dean's lecture series. I outlined our rules on AR/VR. We support everything we have developed in -- at Kopin.

We showed the benefits of taking a human-first approach, voice approach as the next touch and be selective about what you expect people to wear on their heads, among other rules. I'm very, very encouraged by the very, very positive feedback from the audience.

To summarize, our goal in 2019 is to continue to drive our military enterprise business as a way for the consumer market to gain traction. To help to drive the consumer demand, our development efforts will be focusing on our OLED technology.

With this, let me turn the call to Rich to review the financial details.

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Richard A. Sneider, Kopin Corporation - Treasurer & CFO [4]

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Thank you, John. Beginning with the results for the quarter. Total revenues for the fourth quarter of 2018 were $7.7 million compared with $11.4 million for the fourth quarter of 2017. The decrease in sales in 2018 compared to 2017 was primarily due to the completion of a military program in our subsidiary, NVIS, in 2017. Cost of sales for the fourth quarter were 76.2% of product revenues compared with 64.8% for the fourth quarter of last year.

Cost of product revenues increased as a percentage of revenues in 2018 as compared to 2017 because of a decline in sales of our military products which have higher gross margins than the average gross margin of our other products sold during the same period in 2017.

R&D expense in the fourth quarter of 2018 was $3.9 million compared with $4.7 million in the fourth quarter of 2017. Internal R&D expenses for 2018 decreased $1.1 million as compared to the prior year primarily due to products moving into commercialization phase. This was partially offset by funded R&D expense increase of $0.3 million for 2018 as compared to the prior period due to an increase in spending on military programs.

SG&A expenses were $6.2 million in the fourth quarter of 2018 compared with $4.4 million in the fourth quarter of 2017. SG&A for 2018 increased as compared to the prior period, primarily -- prior year period, primarily due to an increase of $1.7 million in noncash stock-based compensation. Included in Q4 2018 operating expenses are $2.2 million from the write-down of fixed assets and $1.4 million from the impairment of goodwill. Included in 2017 -- Q4 '17 operating expenses is a $600,000 charge for the impairment of goodwill.

Other income and expense was an expense of approximately $250,000 in the fourth quarter of 2018 as compared with $1.3 million in the fourth quarter of 2017.

The fourth quarter of 2017 includes a $1.7 million gain from the mark-to-market of a warrant we received when we licensed technology to a customer.

The fourth quarter of 2018 included approximately $900,000 -- excuse me, $90,000 of foreign currency gains as compared to approximately $700,000 of foreign currency losses in 2017.

Turning to the bottom line. Net -- our net loss attributable to controlling interest for the quarter was approximately $11 million or $0.15 per share compared with a loss of $1.8 million or $0.02 per share in the fourth quarter of 2017.

Turning to the results for the full year. Total revenues for 2018 were $24.5 million compared with $27.8 million for 2017. Again, the decrease in sales of products for military applications in 2018 compared to '17 was primarily due to the completion of the military program at our NVIS subsidiary in the fourth quarter 2017.

Cost of goods sold for 2018 was 82.4% compared with 72.8% of product revenues for 2017. The decline was due to an increase in the sale of military products, which have higher gross margin than our other products.

R&D expense in 2018 was $17.4 million compared with $18.9 million in 2017. The decrease in R&D expense year-over-year was primarily by a decrease in internal R&D expenses for 2018 of $3 million as compared to the prior year, again, primarily due to the products moving into commercialization phase. And again, this was partially offset by an increase in funded R&D expense of $1.5 million as compared to 2017 for military programs.

SG&A expenses were $27.2 million for 2018 compared with $20.5 million for 2017. SG&A for 2018 increased as compared to the prior year primarily due to an increase of $2.6 million in noncash stock-based compensation, $1.2 million in product promotion, $0.8 million, or $800,000, of accrued contingent consideration and $800,000 of legal expense and patent maintenance costs. Included in 2018 operating expenses are $2.2 million from the write-down of fixed assets and $1.0 million (sic) [$1.4 million] for the impairment of goodwill. Included in 2017 operating expense is $600,000 for the impairment for goodwill.

Other income expense was income of $4.2 million for 2018 as compared to $2 million in 2017. In 2018, we recorded a noncash $2.8 million gain on equity investments, and we received $1 million of insurance proceeds. In 2017, we recorded a noncash $2 million gain on the fair value adjustment of a warrant we received as part of licensing of our technology.

2018 includes approximately $200,000 of foreign currency losses as compared to 2017, which had approximately $700,000 of foreign currency losses.

Turning the bottom line. Our net loss attributable to controlling interest in 2018 was approximately $35.6 million or $0.49 per share compared with a net loss of $25.2 million or $0.36 per share for 2017.

[10%] of customers for 2018 was Collins Aerospace at 20% and General Dynamics at 11%.

Fourth quarter and year-end amounts of depreciation and stock compensation are attached in the table to the Q4 and year-end press release. We conclude the year with approximately $37.2 million of cash and marketable securities and no long-term debt.

And with that, we'll take calls, operator.

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Questions and Answers

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Operator [1]

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(Operator Instructions) Our first question comes from the line of Glenn Mattson with Ladenburg Thalmann.

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Glenn George Mattson, Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. Inc., Research Division - VP of Equity Research [2]

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John, on the -- you mentioned the global Tier 1. Congratulations on shipping those 5,000 units. You mentioned that you expected that broader shipment would commence shortly. Can you talk about just a general sense on timing. Do you think it's more first half or second half? And then can you give us any sense at all on what kind of volumes we're talking about as far as it relates to 2019?

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Chin Chiang Fan, Kopin Corporation - Co-Founder, Chairman, CEO & President [3]

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Yes. Obviously, this is still a program that has not been officially announced yet. The general plan is to have regular shipments throughout the year, and I -- we're expecting that they will announce that product very soon.

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Glenn George Mattson, Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. Inc., Research Division - VP of Equity Research [4]

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Okay, great. That's helpful.

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Chin Chiang Fan, Kopin Corporation - Co-Founder, Chairman, CEO & President [5]

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I think the initial response is very good.

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Glenn George Mattson, Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. Inc., Research Division - VP of Equity Research [6]

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Great. In the past, you've talked about -- on the commercial kind of headset space that you perhaps would grow to about 100,000 units in 2019. Would you still stand by that number? Or do you think it's too difficult to tell at this point?

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Chin Chiang Fan, Kopin Corporation - Co-Founder, Chairman, CEO & President [7]

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We still stand by the number from the forecast for our customers. They're still very, very bullish.

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Glenn George Mattson, Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. Inc., Research Division - VP of Equity Research [8]

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Okay. Great. And then one more on the defense side. For the Family of Weapon Sight, for the Individual side, I think, you began shipping on the -- I think, it was a $4.2 million contract. Is there a lot of leeway left in that contract to go to still? And is there any talk yet on a follow-on order? Any type of timing on that?

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Chin Chiang Fan, Kopin Corporation - Co-Founder, Chairman, CEO & President [9]

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Yes. Okay, Rich, you wanted to make a comment.

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Richard A. Sneider, Kopin Corporation - Treasurer & CFO [10]

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Yes. So yes, I mean this is going to be a long-running program. We're in constant communication with the government. So yes, we expect many follow-on orders to the program. And we do expect the program to ramp from its current volumes.

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Chin Chiang Fan, Kopin Corporation - Co-Founder, Chairman, CEO & President [11]

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Yes. I think I'll just add on to that, put a little bit more color to it. It is a very interesting program. This program is actually to replace armored vehicles -- many armored vehicles are still using CRT tubes as imaging, so we're going to replace it with solid state. And that's -- this is just the initial tip of the iceberg. They have lot of vehicles -- have CRTs in the military vehicles. And again, we're the sole source for that.

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Glenn George Mattson, Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. Inc., Research Division - VP of Equity Research [12]

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Okay. And sorry, but back to the -- curious on about the Whisper Chip. Any feedback from product that's perhaps in the field now? And how it's performing?

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Chin Chiang Fan, Kopin Corporation - Co-Founder, Chairman, CEO & President [13]

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Yes. Of course, Whisper is actually now in the Golden-i Infinity and the SOLOS, and we have also licensed the Whisper Chip or Whisper technology to RealWear. So there are additional activities going on right now, which we cannot talk about right now.

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Glenn George Mattson, Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. Inc., Research Division - VP of Equity Research [14]

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Lastly, Rich, on the OpEx plans for 2019, can you just talk about directionally or if you want to get more specific that'd be great too, but just on how you feel about sales and marketing and R&D and what they're going to look like year-over-year.

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Richard A. Sneider, Kopin Corporation - Treasurer & CFO [15]

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So we expect development expenses to decline, particularly, we've -- as we've said, we've finished a lot of the SOLOS and a lot of the Golden-i Infinity, so we're really moving those into commercialization stage. And as John mentioned in his prepared remarks, on the OLED, we do expect that to increase, however, there -- we're in discussions with a number of folks who are looking to potentially fund a lot of that development.

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Operator [16]

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Our next question comes from the line of Jeff Bernstein with Cowen.

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Jeffrey Bernstein, [17]

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Just wanted to follow-up on that line. Could you just talk about when you think BOE will start to ship? And I know, John, you guys have been doing a lot of work on brightness while you've been waiting for the factory to get built, et cetera. Where do you think you'll be when you start to ship product in terms of brightness?

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Chin Chiang Fan, Kopin Corporation - Co-Founder, Chairman, CEO & President [18]

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Thank you, Jeff. It's a very good question on this. BOE factory is actually finished. Equipments are in. They are, at this moment, start running -- are test running now. I think I would be there hopefully in 10 days to hopefully celebrate the first run to coming out. So I expect there will be very, very good brightness. In fact, I think just give you the scope of the situation. BOE is the biggest supplier of displays for smartphones. Their market share in the world is now over 20% in the whole world of the displays coming out is from them. So they have teams engineers that can turn a factory on very quickly. And the factory is also very big. Fully automatic. So I think the world of AR/VR will be different in about -- in the next -- certainly, in -- by the second half of this year, everybody will be very surprised what's happening to the world. So first of all, the AR/VR basically limited, as I talked about it, they don't have any constant supply of display, of low-cost, high-performance display. I think this [indiscernible] going to be opened in the second half of this year.

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Jeffrey Bernstein, [19]

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That's great. And then I just wanted to make sure I heard it right. Did you say you have 100 companies now registered for the Golden-i Infinity evaluations?

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Chin Chiang Fan, Kopin Corporation - Co-Founder, Chairman, CEO & President [20]

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Yes.

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Operator [21]

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Our next question comes from the line of Matthew Galinko of National Securities.

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Matthew Evan Galinko, National Securities Corporation, Research Division - Senior Research Analyst [22]

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I guess firstly on -- you talked about needing to drive sort of component pricing on the display down to enable consumer AR/VR. But I guess I'm just curious if you could opine on what else needs to happen to drive that business, whether it's application design or form fact? Or what needs to happen to move that business along?

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Chin Chiang Fan, Kopin Corporation - Co-Founder, Chairman, CEO & President [23]

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Now you touch on the 5 rules I outlined for AR/VR. I mean, anything to point ahead, there's a lot of ergonomic fashion, willingness, comfort. The necessary condition is to put that people will be willing to put it on their head and stay on their head. And those ergonomic issues are being solved right now. And I think the enterprise world will be the first one that will see it. In the military world already seeing it. To give you some idea, our market share on military enterprise are pretty large. So we know what people are willing to wear for benefits. For consumer is always a much bigger target because consumers are much more fussy what they would put on their head. But I think that issue coming -- being conquered. Now once you'd have that particular issue, the people willing to put it on their head, the next thing is really the cost of the elements, how expensive it is. Consumer does not want to pay too high a cost. Plus you got to have supply. Nobody want to go to consumer product if they don't have a constant supply. Well, the BOE will solve that problem. They will have the supply, they will help to bring the cost down. The curve -- the journey will start. So with supply chain solve -- problem solved, I will say the consumer headset will beginning to show up at the beginning -- in the second half of this year.

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Matthew Evan Galinko, National Securities Corporation, Research Division - Senior Research Analyst [24]

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Got it. That's helpful. And then maybe on the consumer revenue side for 2019. How should we think about that? Just given that you are working with some partners on SOLOS, and I guess that could probably move the needle on consumers revenues a little bit quicker than, I guess, component sales.

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Richard A. Sneider, Kopin Corporation - Treasurer & CFO [25]

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So on this year, we're really not going to give specific guidance on the growth of the consumer. We'll see how SOLOS works out, and we'll see how Golden-i. They're really brand-new markets, particularly Golden-i Infinity, where we draw strength from the fact that RealWear has done very well with our first design that we licensed to them. And so we expect Golden-i to do as well. But we're going to hold off, as it is a new market, [before] giving any specific guidance.

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Matthew Evan Galinko, National Securities Corporation, Research Division - Senior Research Analyst [26]

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I guess maybe just directional then on the consumer business. I mean, do we expect it to sort of be flattish this year? Or -- I know we talked last quarter about it being under a fair amount of pressure.

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Richard A. Sneider, Kopin Corporation - Treasurer & CFO [27]

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I think the only thing that we would say at this point that we expect OLED revenues to come into play this year. That's where we're really focused on.

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Operator [28]

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(Operator Instructions) Our next question comes from the line of Patrick Metcalf with Newbridge Securities.

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Patrick Metcalf, [29]

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Congratulations on the BOE fab coming online a little bit early.

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Chin Chiang Fan, Kopin Corporation - Co-Founder, Chairman, CEO & President [30]

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Thank you, Patrick.

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Patrick Metcalf, [31]

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So I have a couple of quick questions -- well, not quick question, but I ask you have a little patience with me like I've been having with you guys. The Tier 1 customer -- or, is it a customer or is it a partnership? And basically, I ask that based on, do you believe this Tier 1 will be coming to the market with a ecosystem, meaning some software partners behind them, maybe their cloud, maybe their AI, maybe your AI? Can you give us a little color on how you see that unfolding maybe? That's my first question.

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Chin Chiang Fan, Kopin Corporation - Co-Founder, Chairman, CEO & President [32]

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The question from Patrick is that -- about this global Tier 1 company, that have got 5,000 units late last year and I suspect to announce soon. I expect this is going to be a reasonable shock to the system, we really can encourage the enterprise world to really grow. I assume when the announcement comes, there will a lot of good data that comes with the announcement to show that people are in fact getting a lot of good benefit from it, from the software, hardware and the return on investment you have in those entire systems. So we are all expecting that to happen soon, and I think it will.

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Patrick Metcalf, [33]

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Okay, great. I look forward to it. And then my next question is for Rich on the balance sheet. I see, you have a equity investment line of about $5.5 million, up from 0 a year ago. Can you highlight where that comes from?

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Richard A. Sneider, Kopin Corporation - Treasurer & CFO [34]

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Yes. So as I mentioned in my prepared remarks, so we had a warrant from a customer as part of a licensing of technology, and so we exercised that warrant. And then -- so that's roughly -- not exactly, roughly half of it. And then the other half is a JV that we did in China last year, where we contributed $1 million in cash and IP. And...

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Patrick Metcalf, [35]

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Okay, great. And then you guys keep talking about having 300-plus patents in the portfolio. I mean, it's been going on for 1.5 year. And we -- I witnessed these patents coming out quarter after quarter after quarter. I see you have a Patent Specialist on your Board of Directors. Can you talk to us about how we can monetize these things like you have with your partner and your Chinese JV. Can you talk about how these patents may come into play in the next 3 months, 9 months, 2 years? Is there anything you can add to that?

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Chin Chiang Fan, Kopin Corporation - Co-Founder, Chairman, CEO & President [36]

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Yes. I think that we are in the what we call monetizing phase right now. As you would know, we mentioned that we have licensed some of our patents or designs to companies in return not only for royalties but in addition for equities as well as to have contracts or buying our components. And this has been starting carrying on the last 18 months and it's been successful, and we are going to continue this effort. I think that we recently announced a another license to startups to make AR glasses for surgeons for military -- for medical, so this is another case where we licensed technology as well as getting equity and royalty. So we would be doing more and more of that. We found out that more and more people are coming to us because as you well know RealWear case as you pretty well know. So people seem to have their license system from us and voila, we will become a very successful company. So we've got a lot more people doing that now.

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Patrick Metcalf, [37]

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Okay. And just to add one thing. Do you see any Tier 1 companies looking to license any of your IP? Or coming to you and asking you about your IP, if they're going into wearables or voice? Are you having any Tier 1, Tier 2 conversations?

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Chin Chiang Fan, Kopin Corporation - Co-Founder, Chairman, CEO & President [38]

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Yes. I think maybe we should mention, I don't know, I assume people will consider Lenovo as a Tier 1 company. They have -- they spun out, called Lenovo New Vision, that particular arrangement is they licensed design from us. They buy components from us as well as they give us equity.

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Patrick Metcalf, [39]

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Okay. And then the BOE fab news. The fact that that's ahead of schedule, as far as I'm concerned, I'm really excited about that. I think that's just going to turn the VR needle up faster than people expect. And I just want to know, John, are you engaged with numerous Tier 1s over the past 9 months since VR has gone silent reassessment stage? Are you coming out with better designs? Are you -- you talk about situational awareness with VR. Can you talk to the audience about how excited you are and how much attention you are getting maybe from Tier 1s regarding your OLEDs and your virtual reality designs?

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Chin Chiang Fan, Kopin Corporation - Co-Founder, Chairman, CEO & President [40]

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Yes. I think, Patrick, as we said, we are giving the talk at MIT and Harvard the last 2 months. I don't like the situation with VR. There's no question about it, VR has been disappointing year 2018. But out of that, as you well know, out of that, people begin to see the light at the end of the tunnel. Of course, missing is a better display. The display has to be a higher-resolution, fast even to make sure there's no latency as you move your head. So you don't get sick when you wear them. And the display should be higher-resolution, maybe even higher than the 2k x 2k, which we have -- which is a world record. But even that might not be enough. So people have to go to higher resolution and in much lower cost. Right now, there's no supply. I mean, we got our 2k display in every company they can name of in VR. I don't think there's any VR companies that don't have our display in their systems. It's just that now as the order feedbacks comes back, they say, "Could you give us a little bit better display, faster display, lower power?" And by the way, it better have good supply at very low cost. And we have many, many trademarks now by the end of this first or second quarter.

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Patrick Metcalf, [41]

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And guys, I'm just going to end it with this. Under promise and over deliver. Okay. I want to see that in 2019, and I think it's clear skies ahead.

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Operator [42]

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Our next question is a follow-up from Jeff Bernstein with Cowen.

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Jeffrey Bernstein, [43]

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Second to the last comment. But John, I just wanted to get an update on Forth Dimension. What's going on with the 3D vision in terms of ramp in China? I know we've been sort of expecting that technology to finally cross the chasm over there. And then just talk a little bit about some of the other things on the display side, which I know are kind of higher end, but maybe more in the realm of HoloLens and that kind of thing that Forth Dimension is doing.

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Chin Chiang Fan, Kopin Corporation - Co-Founder, Chairman, CEO & President [44]

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Yes. The question is, in the case of 3D metrology, people are using that 3D machines to look at 3D -- look at PCB board. But now people have started looking at it for other applications, looking at the 3 dimensional, in inspection as well quality control. The China market, we are seeing some activities there. We are actually -- I don't know where to -- maybe we announced it that there are some activities going on in China right now, and positive activities. So again, go back to what you saying, we will not make a big deal out of that until we see consistent order from them.

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Jeffrey Bernstein, [45]

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Okay. And then just on the display side. I think in a very high end simulation kinds of systems, et cetera, those Forth Dimension LCoS displays are being used even for holographic kinds of things, et cetera. Just talk a little bit about that and where you see the markets for that right now.

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Chin Chiang Fan, Kopin Corporation - Co-Founder, Chairman, CEO & President [46]

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It's a very high-end specialized modulator display. That does make a very, very good high end. The thing about Forth dimension is, their market's a lot involved with military and industrial application and medical application. The price point by nature we set very, very good price point. So they are aiming still not for consumers. The consumers are really going for the OLED, hopefully, coming from BOE labs.

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Operator [47]

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We have reached the end of our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the call back over to Dr. Fan for any closing remarks.

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Chin Chiang Fan, Kopin Corporation - Co-Founder, Chairman, CEO & President [48]

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Well, thank you very much for joining us and also thank you for the many good, excellent questions. Hope to see you in the next quarter. Bye-bye.

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Operator [49]

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Thank you. This concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation, and have a wonderful day.