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Edited Transcript of RMR earnings conference call or presentation 9-Aug-19 5:00pm GMT

Q3 2019 RMR Group Inc Earnings Call

NEWTON Sep 6, 2019 (Thomson StreetEvents) -- Edited Transcript of RMR Group Inc earnings conference call or presentation Friday, August 9, 2019 at 5:00:00pm GMT

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Corporate Participants

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* Adam David Portnoy

The RMR Group Inc. - CEO, President, MD & Director

* Matthew P. Jordan

The RMR Group Inc. - Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer

* Timothy A. Bonang

RMR Advisors LLC - SVP and IR Officer

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Conference Call Participants

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* Bryan Anthony Maher

B. Riley FBR, Inc., Research Division - Analyst

* Kwun Sum Lau

Oppenheimer & Co. Inc., Research Division - Associate

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Presentation

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Operator [1]

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Good afternoon, and welcome to the RMR Group Third Quarter 2019 Financial Results Conference Call. (Operator Instructions) Please note, this event is being recorded.

I would now like to turn the conference over to Tim Bonang, Senior Vice President. Mr. Bonang, please go ahead.

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Timothy A. Bonang, RMR Advisors LLC - SVP and IR Officer [2]

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Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us today. With me on the call are President and CEO, Adam Portnoy; and Chief Financial Officer, Matt Jordan. In just a moment, they'll provide details about our business and performance for the third quarter fiscal 2019. They will then take questions from the analysts.

I would like to note that the recording and retransmission of today's conference call is prohibited without the prior written consent of the company.

Also note that today's conference call contains forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 and other securities laws. These forward-looking statements are based on RMR's beliefs and expectations as of today, August 9, 2019. Actual results may differ materially from those that we project. The company undertakes no obligation to revise or publicly release the results of any revisions of the forward-looking statements made in today's conference call. Additional information concerning factors that could cause any differences is contained in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission or SEC, which can be accessed from our website, rmrgroup.com, or the SEC's website. Investors are cautioned not to place undue reliance on any forward-looking statements.

In addition, we may discuss non-GAAP numbers during this call, including adjusted earnings per share, adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA margin. A reconciliation of net income determined in accordance with U.S. generally accepted accounting principles to adjusted earnings per share, adjusted EBITDA and the calculations of adjusted EBITDA margin can be found in the news release we issued this morning.

And now I would like to turn the call over to Adam Portnoy to begin our quarterly review. Adam?

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Adam David Portnoy, The RMR Group Inc. - CEO, President, MD & Director [3]

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Thanks, Tim, and thank you for joining us this afternoon.

For the third quarter of fiscal year 2019, we reported adjusted net income of $8.6 million or $0.53 per share, which is an increase of $0.03 per share on a sequential quarter basis. We also generated $26.5 million of adjusted EBITDA, which is a sequential quarter increase of 7.2% and adjusted EBITDA margin of 56.6%, which is a sequential quarter increase of 250 basis points.

As a reminder, during last quarter's earnings call, we highlighted that RMR and its client companies were well positioned to benefit from the repositioning and restructuring actions we had facilitated over the last year, and as such, we believe last quarter's results represented a low watermark. The sequential growth I just highlighted in some of our key operating metrics all reinforce that we are generating positive momentum across the organization.

Since our last earnings call, there have been 2 significant events impacting RMR and certain of our client companies. First, in June, Hospitality Properties Trust announced they had entered into a definitive agreement to acquire a high-quality net lease portfolio of 774 service-oriented retail properties for $2.4 billion from Spirit MTA REIT or SMTA. The acquisition, which will be funded entirely with unsecured debt, will provide the HPT with increased scale, a more secure financial profile and greater diversity in tenant-based property type and geography. The SMTA shareholders will vote on the transaction on September 4, and assuming a favorable outcome, HPT will close before the end of September. This acquisition is expected to generate approximately $12 million in annual revenues for RMR.

The second event of note relates to RMR's recent secondary offering. Since we went public in December 2015, the most consistent question asked during investor meetings has been about the prospect of increasing our public float. This question was answered on July 1 as 3 of our client companies, HPT, SNH and OPI, completed a secondary public offering of 7.9 million shares of our common stock that they own, which has more than doubled our public float. This offering was, in many respects, a re-IPO for RMR. And as part of the marketing efforts, we engaged in over 60 meetings with investors across North America, the vast majority of whom are hearing our story for the first time. With the completion of this offering, which priced at $40 per share, the REITs recognized a 283% return on their investment.

As it relates to our client companies, operating fundamentals remained positive this quarter, with RMR ranging almost 1.5 million square feet of leases on behalf of our client companies to approximately 2% higher than prior rents for the same space and had an average term of 9 years. RMR also supervised approximately $33.5 million in capital improvements at our client companies during the quarter.

Some of the more noteworthy highlights across our client companies outside of the SMTA transaction with HPT include the following. This quarter, OPI continued its positive leasing momentum with 571,000 square feet of leasing activity that helped increase overall occupancy to 200 basis points to 91.6%. More importantly, OPI made substantial progress on its strategic disposition program and goal of getting leverage levels to its long-term target range of 6 to 6.5x debt-to-EBITDA. Since the beginning of 2019, OPI has either sold, has under agreement to sell or has negotiated agreements for $630 million of property sales, and it realized $105 million in net proceeds from the sale of its RMR shares.

During the quarter, SNH continued to make progress on its business restructuring arrangement with its largest tenant, Five Star Senior Living. In June, Five Star shareholders approved the issuance of stock to SNH and its shareholders as a condition of the restructuring. Further, as it relates to SNH's goal of selling $900 million of assets by year-end to reduce leverage, SNH has sold or has under agreement to sell 50 properties for total expected proceeds of $197 million. In addition, SNH used the $99 million received from the sale of its RMR shares to reduce leverage.

As it relates to Five Star, the restructuring is already producing positive results. Five Star reported its first profitable quarter since the second quarter of 2013 and registered an overall occupancy increase of 160 basis points this quarter.

ILPT saw same property cash basis NOI increased 2.6% and had 359,000 square feet of leasing activity that resulted in weighted average rental rates that were approximately 27.5% higher to prior rental rates. In addition, ILPT has completed over $900 million in mainland, industrial and logistic property acquisition this year that further strengthens and diversifies its portfolio.

Looking forward, we continue to expect growth at RMR to come from 2 primary means. First, we remain focused on growing and improving the performance of our client companies. The acquisition of SMTA by HPT is a good example of that. Secondarily, we are continuing our efforts to expand our private capital asset management business.

Given the breadth of our operations, we continue to develop relationships with large sources of private capital such as sovereign wealth funds as part of identifying possible joint venture opportunities at our client companies. These relationships could expand over time and expect that these types of arrangement may lead to the most likely short- to medium-term growth opportunities in our private capital business. For example, it is possible that some of these relationships may turn into private separate management account business for RMR in the future.

With regard to the RMR real estate open-end fund, we are no longer distributing this fund through a third-party marketing firm, and we are now focused on growing and resourcing funds from larger institutional providers of private capital. We do not plan on using any of the $100 million of capital committed to this fund by RMR until we have more clarity regarding this fund's future. In addition, we continue exploring opportunities to accelerate our private capital fundraising capabilities through possible M&A activities. We are engaging discussions with real estate private equity groups that could result in us acquiring a firm that may help accelerate the growth of our private capital asset management business. That said, these discussions are all preliminary in nature, and no transaction is close to being agreed.

I'll now turn the call over to Matt Jordan, our Chief Financial Officer, who will review our financial results for the quarter.

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Matthew P. Jordan, The RMR Group Inc. - Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer [4]

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Thanks, Adam. Good afternoon, everyone.

As Adam highlighted earlier, we reported adjusted net income attributable to RMR of $8.6 million or $0.53 per share this quarter. In addition to recurring adjustments to separation costs and unrealized gains and losses on our investment TA, adjusted earnings per share this quarter included an add back of $0.14 per share due to an impairment of our investment in Tremont Mortgage Trust.

Total management and advisory service revenues were $44.4 million this quarter, which represents a $3.9 million decrease on a year-over-year basis, primarily from lower base business management fees at OPI and SNH, partially offset by acquisition-related fee growth at ILPT. On a sequential quarter basis, revenues increased approximately $1 million due to acquisition-related fee growth at ILPT and increased construction and development activity at our client companies.

For the quarter ended June 30, 2019, all our managed equity REITs except for ILPT are currently paying base business management fees on a market capitalization basis. The impact of being on this lower measure resulted in lost revenue opportunity of approximately $8.7 million this quarter. Next quarter, we are projecting total management and advisory service revenues to be approximately $45 million based on where the managed equity REIT share prices are today, projections around when strategic acquisitions and disposition activity will occur and estimated capital spend.

Turning to expenses for the quarter. Cash compensation of $28.5 million this quarter is a modest decline both on a year-over-year and sequential quarter basis due to favorable changes in our workforce mix, driven by leadership retirements. This favorable shift in our workforce also impacts cash compensation reimbursements, with our recovery rate increasing to 45%. Looking ahead, we expect fourth quarter cash compensation to be consistent with this quarter and increase to approximately $30.5 million per quarter in fiscal 2020 after giving effect to annual merit increases and staffing associated with supporting the SMTA acquisition. It is important to note that a significant portion of this increase in fiscal 2020 cash compensation is expected to be recoverable from our client companies.

G&A expenses of $7.7 million this quarter represents an increase of $1.1 million on a year-over-year basis due primarily to $800,000 in annual RMR director share grants this quarter.

We ended the quarter with approximately $377 million in cash and no debt. Management and our Board of Directors continue to believe that using our balance sheet to grow the organization remains a higher priority than other options such as using capital for special dividend or stock buybacks.

Before we go to questions, I want to acknowledge the hard work of a number of people across our property management, engineering and sustainability teams. RMR has recently been recognized as the winner of 8 property awards by BOMA and the U.S. Green Building Council. In addition, OPI was recently named a Silver Level 3 Lease Leader by the U.S. Department of Energy. These honors recognize RMR's efforts to promote high performance, energy-efficient property.

That concludes our formal remarks. Operator, would you please open the line for questions?

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Questions and Answers

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Operator [1]

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(Operator Instructions) Our first question today comes from Owen Lau with Oppenheimer.

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Kwun Sum Lau, Oppenheimer & Co. Inc., Research Division - Associate [2]

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So given that you have a high cash balance, a stable base earnings and increased public float, how should we think about capital return in terms of buybacks versus dividend?

And also with the addition of Spirit MTA REIT, your base EPS should be much higher than your $0.53 this quarter. I mean it seems to me there is room for dividend raise next quarter. How should we think about that?

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Adam David Portnoy, The RMR Group Inc. - CEO, President, MD & Director [3]

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Sure. Thank you. For those questions on the first part around allocation capital, as Matt said in his remarks, overarching theme is we believe using our capital today, which is about $377 million of cash from the balance sheet for growth initiatives, is probably the highest and best use today, in our view, for using that cash.

You are right that we have a regular recurring dividend that we increased about 40% by 9 months ago, and we could think about that an increase in our recurring dividend in the coming quarters. That's something, I think, we would debate and think about as management and the Board as something we could consider doing. But I think the overall focus on using our capital right now is, I think, it's very important for RMR to work towards diversifying its revenue streams and grow.

While our REITs and our primary clients today are fantastic clients, and we're very focused on them performing well, I think for medium- to long-term outlook of RMR, it's in the best interest of us to try to diversify our revenues, especially into private sources of capitals that we can raise. And so that's why I think we're very -- you hear us talk about it pretty often. That has been very much the focus in terms of where will I take the company strategically, and that is why we're sitting on cash. We want to use that cash very prudently and strategically to help us achieve our strategic goal of growing our asset base and growing the types of clients that we service. Does that answer your question, Owen?

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Kwun Sum Lau, Oppenheimer & Co. Inc., Research Division - Associate [4]

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Yes. I think it's very helpful. But I think adding to that, trying to get your sense about the macro view about interest rate direction. So what is your expectation about the interest rate movement for the rest of this year?

And given your cash level, I'm not sure whether that drives your decision about you having high cash level, but how are you going to position RMR and your managed companies to go through that movement indicated by the U curve, right now?

And I guess maybe what are the recent opportunities you're seeing, given the Fed doesn't cut as many times as the market it's predicting?

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Adam David Portnoy, The RMR Group Inc. - CEO, President, MD & Director [5]

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Yes. Great questions. I think of myself as a little bit of a -- as an operator of a real estate and a manager of real estate. I'm not great at predicting interest rate movements. But that being said, if you'd asked me at the beginning in the year, I would have said that it was more likely interest rates are going up over the course of the year. If you ask me now, it looks like they're probably going down. The markets change so radically so fast. Just think about where we were at the beginning of the year with a 10-year treasury yield was and where we are 7, 8 months into the year. I think there were very few people that thought the interest rates would be 100 basis points lower than where they were at the beginning of the year at that time.

So it's hard to make a lot of strategic decisions about interest rate movements. I will say generally as interest rates go down, historically REITs had performed better. They tend -- they can be -- they can get some tailwind from that, and that can be helpful for our stock prices in our REITs that then can benefit our revenues because we are currently receiving revenues based off the lower market rather than historical cost of assets. So that's -- that could be a benefit if interest rates continue to go down, and that's my best guess.

But we're not really changing, honestly, the strategy so much based on that environment. It is more -- we have -- there's been a lot of strategic changes we've made that, I think, we're on the back end of and most of our -- and our client companies over the last 12 months. I think we just have to follow through on a lot of those strategic initiatives through the remainder of this year and a little bit into 2020. And I think if we execute well on that, which I think we will, then our operating businesses will perform well in return. So that's really how we're thinking about things.

And the only other part of our business that is affected by interest rates, it's not a big part of our business, is our mortgage lending, but we -- all the mortgage lending we do is floating rate, and we also match funded on a floating rate basis, so the movement of interest rates actually has very little impact on the earnings we receive from that business.

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Kwun Sum Lau, Oppenheimer & Co. Inc., Research Division - Associate [6]

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That's very good. Final question for me, going back to some of your maybe potential strategic actions, I think you kind of alluded to the joint venture opportunities with the sovereign funds or maybe the pension funds. I think in the past, you indicated that you are more interested in the controlling state. I guess my question is what makes you to kind of change the direction a little bit?

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Adam David Portnoy, The RMR Group Inc. - CEO, President, MD & Director [7]

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Sure. It's a great question. Let's back up. For the first 33 years of this company's existence, RMR's existence, we have been wholly focused on accessing capital on the public markets. It's really only been in the last 6 to 9 months that there's been a real strategic effort in sort of sourcing private capital. And there's been a lot, what I'd say, a lot of irons that we have put in the fire, and we had a tremendous amount of activity around this effort in terms of learning about the market, understanding the market better.

I think given that we are new to that type of fundraising, the most likely type of partner that's willing to work with us, and I think we will match up well, are big pools of capital, sovereign wealth funds, pension plans that are willing to work with us, let's say, on a separate account basis going forward. I think there's some real opportunity to do things in that front.

Separately, and I think this gets a little bit to what you're talking about, we are at the same time, and this is simultaneous, it's sort of adjoining 2 things at once, we're sourcing private capital directly to start managing those funds; but then separately, we're having M&A discussions with multiple parties. And these are all early stage, but we are having M&A discussions with multiple parties about the possibility of integrating them into our platform. And in those conversations, let's say, when we're buying a platform or an existing business that, let's say, has several billion of AUM already under management, that would be a controlled transaction. We've been very clear about that on the market, that we'd only be interested in a controlled transaction if we engage in something like that.

So that's what's going on, on the private capital front. And when you referenced control transaction, that's what we're talking about.

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Operator [8]

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(Operator Instructions) The next question comes from Bryan Maher with B. Riley FBR.

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Bryan Anthony Maher, B. Riley FBR, Inc., Research Division - Analyst [9]

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Following up on Owen's question a little bit because I was a little confused when you discussed it in your comments section. Are you now -- correct me if I'm wrong, are you not contributing the $100 million now to that fund through RMR?

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Adam David Portnoy, The RMR Group Inc. - CEO, President, MD & Director [10]

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No. We're not saying we're not. What we're saying is until we get some better traction from investors, we are holding off. And so that fund has been making some investments, and it's actually continuing to look at investments. And we're still very focused on it, and it still exists. It's just -- to be very candid, I've said in my prepared remarks, we're no longer marketing it through a third-party distributor. That third-party distributor was very focused on tapping into the [RIHNO] and high net worth individuals. And so looking at raising funds, call it, sub-$5 million per chunk or per commitment. We thought, for various reasons, that might work well for us. It has turned out after having well over 100 conversations and meetings in that market that that's probably not going to be the most effective way to grow that business, and in fact, we think it makes more sense to pivot and to focus on trying to raise capital on that fund through big-ticket investors, basically looking for an anchor investor that might invest tens of millions of dollars, if not hundreds of millions of dollars, to help -- to go side-by-side with us in that fund.

Since this is sort of a new strategic initiative for us, this also requires a lot of my personal time because it's the first time we're getting involved in it, so it's requiring me, myself, to take a lot of these meetings and to take -- and to interact with a lot of these folks. It's also just very efficient since it's involving a lot of my time to go after larger pools of capital at this time until we sort of get some traction. And so I'd say we're holding off on making that investment until we sort of find that big anchor investor to come in side-by-side with us.

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Bryan Anthony Maher, B. Riley FBR, Inc., Research Division - Analyst [11]

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Okay. And how are those meetings being sourced? Is it just your relationships with these entities? Is it through investment banks that you deal with on a regular basis? How are those meetings getting set up with the sovereign wealth funds and pension, et cetera?

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Adam David Portnoy, The RMR Group Inc. - CEO, President, MD & Director [12]

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Both. We have contacts into several of them that we've been -- we have resource inquiries into us over the time, and it's sort of mining -- going back to those reverse inquiries that we've had. And we have some relationships existing at the REITs. But also, we're getting introductions through third parties like investment bankers as well.

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Bryan Anthony Maher, B. Riley FBR, Inc., Research Division - Analyst [13]

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Okay. And then shifting gears to the HPT Spirit transaction. That's a lot of property. It's a 770 properties. And I know that some will be divested in the fourth quarter, so I don't know what that brings it down to. Was it $600 million or $650 million? But it's still a lot of properties.

How are you internally planning on -- I know you're just collecting your end checks, and it's triple and what have you. But you still have to monitor kind of the credit quality or the credit profile or how a lot of these entities are doing. And some of them are in, whether it's fair to say it or not, businesses that some people have concerns about maybe that could get Amazon or whatever. So how are you internally staffing or thinking about taking on so many new properties into the RMR Group?

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Matthew P. Jordan, The RMR Group Inc. - Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer [14]

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Bryan, it's Matt. We clearly are going to add incremental staffing and bring on some additional retail experience. But I think the benefit of the RMR platform is the national offices. We've got people across the country in a lot of the markets that these assets will reside in that we'll be able to touch and feel them every day and assess what we've acquired here in this transaction. And I think we'll be a very active manager.

And on top of that, you have our corporate infrastructure that this set of properties will quite easily roll into. We will build additional credit capabilities and monitoring techniques, but you have the technology and the asset management platform that these can slide into.

So outside of adding additional manpower, we're pretty comfortable that we can take this on and execute.

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Bryan Anthony Maher, B. Riley FBR, Inc., Research Division - Analyst [15]

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Okay. Great. And then just last for me. Adam, I think you've talked about possibly taking a controlling position in a private equity shop or platform now for at least a quarter or 2. Probably, you've been thinking about it a lot longer than that. What inning would you say you're in, in making kind of the go/no-go decision? And what do you think the probability is that you find something that you could consummate?

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Adam David Portnoy, The RMR Group Inc. - CEO, President, MD & Director [16]

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I think it's truly 50-50, Bryan, if we find something. We have several -- it's hard to predict what inning. These are private enterprises. The vast majority of everyone we're talking to is private. And there's often where we gain the most traction or get the most interest is firms that, let's say, are going through a generational leadership change. And so the older generation's thinking about exiting. And they have a good amount -- they have good staff, and this could be a way for them to exit. And so there's obviously social issues involved with them getting comfortable that it's -- might be the end of their career.

And so - and then there's also groups that we're talking to that are not -- don't fit that profile but, let's say, they might have professional managers that are running the firm day in and day out. And there's a group of invest -- let's call it the founders that are not active anymore but they own the firm, and the social issues of how are you going to integrate all those professional managers there now at the firm into our firm.

I think the best way to characterize it is it's 50-50. It really could go either way. We have some pretty interesting conversations that we're having, but we - it's just as likely that we -- it's just as likely we find groups that are interested in us that we don't want to move forward with as it is finding groups that we want to work with. It has to be the right fit on many different levels, and then it's got to make sense economically on top of that.

But I do think -- look, in today's market, there's a lot of talk about what's happening in private equity, in real estate private equity especially. And there's a lot of folks that believe that there's going to be 2 ends of the barbell. There's going to be folks that are going to be multibillion-dollar enterprises. At one end, it's Blackstone and half a dozen other folks that are sort of raising multibillion-dollar funds every time they go out. And then at the other end of the barbell is going to be what you call really specialized local sharpshooters that are $2 billion or $3 billion shops. And it's really -- it's sort of interesting what's happening to the middle in that market, folks that are, call it, more than $5 billion, less than $15 billion, maybe even up to $20 billion. Are they big enough that they can make the jump to be one end of the barbell? And they're obviously not. They're too big to be considered specialists. So there's a pretty interesting group of firms sort of in that middle that we have been reaching out to and dialoguing with that, I think, could make a lot of sense.

And what I'm trying to explain here is partly the rationale why they are interested in talking to us. They are sort of stuck in the middle. They're having trouble jumpstarting to become that mega-billion dollar firm, which we might be able to help them to do. And they're not -- and they're too big to be a real specialized sharpshooter. Because that's, in many ways, what the market seems to be turning into on the real estate private equity side.

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Bryan Anthony Maher, B. Riley FBR, Inc., Research Division - Analyst [17]

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That's helpful. And just lastly, what's the bigger hold-up do you see? Is it price or control?

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Adam David Portnoy, The RMR Group Inc. - CEO, President, MD & Director [18]

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Probably price, it's probably a little bit of both. I'm not sure there is a hanger. These are -- these conversations are ongoing. And if it's -- we make it -- let me put it this way, we tackle the control question early and upfront. And so if somebody is just not interested in that, there's just no discussion. So that makes it quite easy. And so that's why, say, if they make it through that threshold, then I guess it comes down to price.

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Operator [19]

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This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would now like to turn the conference back over to Adam Portnoy for any closing remarks.

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Adam David Portnoy, The RMR Group Inc. - CEO, President, MD & Director [20]

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Thank you for joining us. Operator, that concludes our call.

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Operator [21]

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This conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.