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Edited Transcript of UIHC.OQ earnings conference call or presentation 5-Nov-20 10:30pm GMT

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Q3 2020 United Insurance Holdings Corp Earnings Call ST PETERSBURG Nov 6, 2020 (Thomson StreetEvents) -- Edited Transcript of United Insurance Holdings Corp earnings conference call or presentation Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 10:30:00pm GMT TEXT version of Transcript ================================================================================ Corporate Participants ================================================================================ * Bennett Bradford Martz United Insurance Holdings Corp. - President & CFO * Robert Daniel Peed United Insurance Holdings Corp. - Chairman & CEO ================================================================================ Conference Call Participants ================================================================================ * Charles Gregory Peters Raymond James & Associates, Inc., Research Division - Equity Analyst * Elyse Beth Greenspan Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division - Director & Senior Analyst * Matthew John Carletti JMP Securities LLC, Research Division - MD & Equity Research Analyst * William Harry Broomall Dowling & Partners Securities, LLC - Research Analyst * Adam Prior The Equity Group, Inc. - SVP ================================================================================ Presentation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Operator [1] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greetings, and welcome to the United Insurance Holdings Corp., Third Quarter 2020 Earnings Conference Call. (Operator Instructions.] It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Adam Prior of the Equity Group. Thank you, sir. You may begin. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Adam Prior, The Equity Group, Inc. - SVP [2] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us. You can find copies of UPC's earnings release today at www.upcinsurance.com in the Investor Relations section. In addition, the company has made an accompanying presentation available on its website. You're also welcome to contact our office at (212) 836-9606, and we'd be happy to send you a copy. In addition, UPC Insurance has made this broadcast available on its website as well. Before we get started, I'd like to read the following on behalf of the company. Except with respect to historical information, statements made in this conference call constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of federal securities laws, including statements relating to trends in the company's operations and financial results and the business and the product of the company and its subsidiary. Actual results from UPC may differ materially from those results anticipated in these forward-looking statements as a result of risks and uncertainties, including those described from time to time in UPC's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. UPC specifically disclaims any obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements as a result of new information, future developments or otherwise. With that, I'd now like to turn the call over to Mr. Dan Peed, UPC's Chief Executive Officer. Please go ahead, Dan. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Daniel Peed, United Insurance Holdings Corp. - Chairman & CEO [3] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks, Adam. Hello all, and thanks for joining our call. I'd like to offer an overview of our third quarter results, and then Brad Martz will provide some specific numbers, and then we'll take questions. In the third quarter, we made excellent progress towards increasing our underwriting profit on a [X] name storm basis. Most importantly, our core income X name same storm margins continued to grow with a third consecutive quarter-over-quarter improvement. We are demonstrating continued progress as increasing rates and enhanced underwriting risk selection activities earn their way through the portfolio. In Q1, we returned to profitability on core income X name storm, earning $0.20 per share. In Q2, progress continued to be with $0.30, and in Q3, we earned $0.35 per share. The Q3 number includes a nonrecurring expense of $2.8 million due to our decision to discontinue an office development project or $0.05 per share. So the adjusted quarterly run rate on core X hurricane earnings is $0.40 per share. Year-over-year, core income X named storm jumped from the 2019 Q3 loss of $0.11 to income of $0.35 in the most recent quarter; a $0.46 improvement. Additionally, our gross non-cat loss ratio is down 1.5 points year-over-year to 23.4%, and our year-over-year gross expense ratio also improved to 26.1%; a 0.9 point reduction despite the nonrecurring charge. We are continuing our portfolio optimization activities, many of which are enabled by the hardening U.S. windstorm market for both our personal lines and commercial lines portfolios. Our ongoing PML exposure management strategy targets nonrenewal of the lowest tier of our exposures, which we believe improves capital efficiency as well as mitigating some of the challenges on our core cat excess and loss placement at [6:1]. Top line gross written premium increased by 15% in the third quarter, which is driven mostly by REIT. And as shown on Page 8 of our investor presentation, we have over a dozen filed and approved additional rate increases in our biggest states, just becoming effective over the last 90 days, which will enable us to continue our rate growth through 2021 and 2022. We're also taking numerous underwriting actions to refine and focus our portfolio. First, we are increasing use of a proprietary online inspection technology to enable us to focus on best-in-class risk. We are also refining our appetite on new business to restrict writings in peak exposure zones and unprofitable geographies. We are exiting products and territories that lack profitability or scale. Additionally, we are implementing minimum deductibles in Florida with plans to expand to the rest of our footprint. And we also plan to refine our agency plan on addressing [final] quartile producers. All these activities are expected to drive a significant continuing improvement to our underlying combined ratio, which helps to generate underwriting profit needed to absorb the cat risk inherent in our portfolio. Speaking of cat risks. Unfortunately, 2020 is turning out to be a record-setting year for U.S. landfalling name storms, with 11 year-to-date. This is more than the previous record set over 100 years ago in 1916. Within Q3, we had seven named storms, which impacted our policyholders in 11 different states. This frequency is unprecedented. If you model five storms that exceed $1 billion of industry loss, it models out to be approximately a 1 in 44-year recurrence, or put another way, a 2.3% chance of happening in any one year. And as a windstorm specialist, the high-frequency moderate severity tends to have a much greater impact on us than a [single] hurricane with a one in 50-year storm severity. Our 3Q gross cat loss is currently estimated at about $290 million. But with seven cumulative retentions, our name storm cat losses net of reinsurance, totaled approximately $125 million. We still have over $3 billion of remaining limit in our core cat aggregate tower. The cat losses, including early estimates of Q4 events, Delta and Zeta have impacted our capital position in our reinsurance plans for 2021. Our gross written premium in 3Q is up by 15%, and our cash and investments at the end of 3Q are up by 16%, yet our total capital is down by 7.6%. And earned premium to stockholders' equity increased from 149% to 166%, increasing the leverage on our capital. Additionally, year-to-date book GAAP value is down by 9.9%. These decreases are disappointing and more than we would anticipate with even a four-storm stress test. However, they appear to be manageable given our modest current quota share sessions, and we have an excellent panel of long-term reinsurance partners. We are nearing the completion of additional quota share capacity. This is expected to decrease leverage correspondingly, and we would anticipate this to have an immediate favorable impact on RPC. However, we would also point out that several variables remain unknown including any losses that may result from Eta or any subsequent 4Q named or non-name cat events. Additionally, finalization of our (inaudible) support and other deleveraging activities are not entirely under our control. We are also working on our core cat excess loss program and dealer positioned well due to a mix of the multiyear capacity, quota share, reinsurance cat bonds and a reducing PML in our portfolio. As such, a significant majority of our core cat tower limits are already secured for a 6/1/21 placement, and we expect to have a redundant capacity available in the limits remaining to be secured next spring. With a strong group of key reinsurance partners, we anticipate an orderly completion of our core cat program for June 1, 2021. Based on the impacts to our results from name storm frequency in 2020, we plan to decrease our net name store retentions in 2021 as well as address our non-named cat exposure. We expect this to drive an increased reinsurance spend. However, that will be offset by strong gross written premium rate growth and achieving reduced net volatility in 2021. For me as the new CEO and for our company, this quarter has been a significant challenge, but expected continued improvement in the escalating non-cat margins should drive future profitability and also enable a profitable underwriting margin on our cat exposures. It is truly a challenge to be a cat specialist in record-setting cat years. However, the elevated regional non-named and named cat activity over the last several years, exacerbated by the impacts of global cat and uncertainties of COVID-related risks to the broader market has created a hardening market in both personal and commercial lines that we expect will enable strong margins moving forward for best-in-class underwriters. We are taking the steps necessary to focus our portfolio on core competitive advantages, and we currently expect these steps to bring us back to peer group profitability over the next four to six quarters and position us well as the top quartile specialist over the long-term. With that, I'd like to turn it over to Brad Martz. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bennett Bradford Martz, United Insurance Holdings Corp. - President & CFO [4] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you, Dan, and hello, everyone. This is Brad Martz, the President and CFO of UPC Insurance. I'm pleased to review UPC's financial results but also encourage everyone to review our press release, investor presentation and Form 10-Q for more information regarding the company's performance. For the quarter ending September 30, 2020, the company reported a GAAP net loss of $74.1 million or a loss of $1.73 per share and a core loss of $83.8 million or a loss of $1.95 a share. These results included $140 million of cat losses, which came in slightly higher than our pre-announcement on September 22 that excluded Tropical Storm Beta. Net retained losses from seven new named windstorms during the third quarter were $125.1 million or roughly $2.30 a share. We anticipate our company will experience hurricane losses in the third quarter. But I think it's fair to say this year's record-setting season led to higher net retained losses and a disappointing result this period. However, if you strip away the noise created from named windstorm activity in the current and prior year, you will see a more comparable underlying view of our business that has improved each quarter this year. As Dan mentioned, excluding named windstorms, we produced core income of approximately $15 million or $0.35 a share compared to a loss of $4.5 million or $0.11 a share last year, which is nearly a $20 million improvement in our underlying results year-over-year. Page 5 of our investor presentation paints a nice picture of core income, excluding named windstorms for each quarter this year compared to 2019. And we present this information not to disclaim ownership of hurricane losses, but to reiterate, this is the earnings stream, we are focused on growing to absorb hurricane losses when they occur. Premiums written for the quarter increased $48.6 million, over 15% from a year ago, driven by new business and rate increases primarily in Florida and Texas, plus 10% growth in our commercial property book, fueled primarily by rate change, not exposure growth as total insured value rose less than 1% year-over-year in commercial lines. Ceded earned premiums were 46.7% of gross premiums earned compared to 44% last year. The change was due to increased sessions to our quota share reinsurance program, which were 13.6% of gross premiums earned or $48.1 million in the current quarter versus 12.2%, or $42.2 million last year, as well as higher costs related primarily to our core catastrophe reinsurance program that renewed on June 1 this year. Other significant items impacting total revenues during the third quarter included realized gains of $25 million, stemming from the sale of roughly $107 million of equity securities, representing approximately 80% of our common stock holdings at the time of disposal. This is partially offset by unrealized losses from equities of $11.6 million for a net investment gain of $13.4 million in the current period compared to $2.6 million a year ago. Investment income of $6 million declined $1.8 million or 23% from the prior year due primarily to the collapse in short-term yields back in March of 2020. UPC's third quarter net loss and loss adjustment expense was $218.7 million, an increase of $70.5 million or 47.6%. That included $140 million of cat losses, which added over 74 points to our net loss and combined ratio, which was partially offset by $4.2 million of favorable reserve development. Non-cat reserve development continued at a slower pace than expected during the third quarter. Excluding these two items, our underlying loss in LAE was $82.9 million, down approximately $2.8 million or 3.3% year-over-year. This produced an underlying gross loss ratio of 23.4%, which compared favorably to 24.9% a year ago. UPC's operating expenses were $92.4 million, a decrease of $679,000 year-over-year. Policy acquisition costs, which declined $3.1 million due to higher ceding commissions earned, which is an offset to the change in ceded premiums earned. Underwriting and operating expenses increased $2.3 million due to higher system and software costs and G&A was basically flat year-over-year, but as Dan mentioned, included a nonrecurring charge of $2.8 million related to our abandonment of capitalized costs for a new home office building project. COVID definitely played a part in reassessing our long-term office space needs, but we also want our team 100% focused on underwriting results right now. So the cost and distractions from that project have been taken off the table. Our gross expense ratio was 26.1%, an improvement of nearly a point from the prior year, but would have been closer to two points without that nonrecurring charge. The same holds true for our underlying combined ratio, which was essentially unchanged from last year, but would have improved 1.4 points to 91.4%, excluding the expense item for the discontinued real estate project. On the balance sheet, UPC's assets totaled $3.1 billion, including cash and investments of $1.48 billion. The modified duration of our fixed income holdings increased to 3.9 years, but the overall composite rating of [A+] remain unchanged at September 30. GAAP equity attributable to UIHC stockholders declined approximately 10% from year-end to $454 million, with a book value per share of $10.54 or $9.8, excluding AOCI. And our [bird] statutory surplus declined to $371 million at the end of the quarter. In conclusion, we believe UPC is well positioned and heading in the right direction, so we greatly appreciate your interest. I'd like to thank you for investing your valuable time today to learn more about our company. We are now happy to take any questions. ================================================================================ Questions and Answers -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Operator [1] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- At this time, we will be conducting a question-and-answer session. (Operator Instructions.] Our first question comes from the line of Greg Peters with Raymond James. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Charles Gregory Peters, Raymond James & Associates, Inc., Research Division - Equity Analyst [2] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I guess I wanted to just start off with some questions around your exposure management. The gross written premium is up pretty significantly in the quarter. And that, as you suggest, is all rate, how much more aggressive can you get with exposure management in the context of limiting your gross written premium growth? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Daniel Peed, United Insurance Holdings Corp. - Chairman & CEO [3] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg, this is Dan. I think that we are taking numerous steps that fall under that bucket of exposure management. Rate is one of them. So I mentioned like the bottom PML driven risk selection, we're inspecting much more of the new business. We also have looked at all of our lines of business in all of our states to decide or to determine if any of them didn't have the scale or profitability that it was better to focus on our key speeds and our key areas of where we can be profitable. I think that the market is hardening, and I believe that it will continue to harden even more and that we will be able to continue improving the class of risk that we write as well as improving the terms and conditions under which we write it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Charles Gregory Peters, Raymond James & Associates, Inc., Research Division - Equity Analyst [4] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well, it certainly seems like it is. It just -- it feels like you could deal with a lot less loss. Can you spend a minute and describe -- I know you break out in your press release, the by line of business. So the personal side versus the commercial side, has there been a difference in underwriting performance of those businesses? Or are they performing in this high-frequency cat environment similarly? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Daniel Peed, United Insurance Holdings Corp. - Chairman & CEO [5] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think that the personal lines takes longer to turn, and we really started improving the terms and the results and the REITs of the personal lines book a year ago, but it had further to come. It is getting there, and it seems to be continuing to improve on a pretty steady basis for the core X hurricane numbers. The American Coastal Commercial Residential book, which has always been a [gem], and it is -- it is profitable, significantly profitable, this year even with the named storms. And our commercial specialty business has gone through some changes as we've moved from three different contracts to one. But we believe that it has a great prognosis in the commercial specialty. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Charles Gregory Peters, Raymond James & Associates, Inc., Research Division - Equity Analyst [6] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Interesting. The other -- the other question that's popping up for the companies in your space is just capital. There are, as you know, almost all of the companies in the Florida market are under various levels of stress. And there is rhetoric about some, maybe a number of them, losing their capacity going forward. Can you talk about your capital position, your Demotech rating and your RBC rating ratio in the context, I think you mentioned some anticipated additional quota share. I guess, ultimately, what we're looking for is your ability to withstand this year. In the fourth quarter, you're going to have some more catastrophe exposures. And the bottom line is your ability to withstand this year and to live on and fight for next year. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Daniel Peed, United Insurance Holdings Corp. - Chairman & CEO [7] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Right. Well, that's a good question. We feel pretty good about our position right now. We've been working with our reinsurers. As we stated, we're very close to adding some additional quota share and we believe that that, obviously, that additional quota share would be what is needed to move our leverage back into where it was before this season. I think if you solve the RBC problem, then you're pretty consistent with solving the Demotech -- the Demotech questions also. So we feel pretty comfortable, but we want to also say that, obviously, we'll be dealing with the Q4 cat exposures, and those aren't all known at the moment. So there's some unknown. And some part of that remain outside of our direct control. But we feel pretty comfortable that we've got the leverage that we can pull to handle it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bennett Bradford Martz, United Insurance Holdings Corp. - President & CFO [8] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg, this is Brad. I would just add that [AMS] recently affirmed the ratings for Journey and Demotech has recently done the same for a couple of [members] of our [Pool] group. Obviously, all that's subject to change depending on how the fourth quarter plays out. But as Dan said, I think we feel very good about our ability to utilize reinsurance to close that gap between our direct writings and our net premium risk [that drives our committee], obviously, we're well aware of that. We understand that reducing operating leverage and earnings volatility is a top priority for us right now. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Charles Gregory Peters, Raymond James & Associates, Inc., Research Division - Equity Analyst [9] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Got it. Can you just conclude -- last question. Can you give us an idea -- I think you said in your prepared comments, you still have a lot of limit left. But as we think about these -- the storms that have happened in the fourth quarter and the one that, I guess, is lurking out there. What's your per event retention as it currently stands, and as we sort of model out for the fourth quarter results? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bennett Bradford Martz, United Insurance Holdings Corp. - President & CFO [10] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sure. Yes, we still have 91% of our core reinsurance program in place, over $3 billion of a $3.3 billion tower. So no worries there. We could experience a very, very significant event if Eta turned into something significant. It wouldn't be a problem for us. Our retention is $25 million on a go-forward basis. So we're prepared for the worst and hoping for the best with that event. Probably if it comes into Florida as a tropical storm, I don't think it will be a full retention event for us. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Operator [11] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Our next question comes from the line of Matt Carletti with JMP Securities. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matthew John Carletti, JMP Securities LLC, Research Division - MD & Equity Research Analyst [12] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg grabbed most of mine. So I just have a follow-up on the kind of the capital and additional quota share potential conversation. As we think about that additional quota share and kind of where the market is, the reinsurance market, obviously getting firmer and I think reinsurers getting more selective. How should we think about the terms on that, if you should expect them to be materially different than what you have in place so far? Or another way of thinking about it is, should we expect on a net earned premiums basis it to have upward pressure on an expense ratio when we think about the ceding commission coming in as opposed to negative pressure? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bennett Bradford Martz, United Insurance Holdings Corp. - President & CFO [13] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is Brad. The terms we've already received are from existing panel partners. I mean, going -- I definitely think if we were in the market trying to put together a branding program with no quota share experience, the terms could be very, very challenging. But because we've got great support from existing partners, it's just -- it's fairly straightforward to expand the session rate without any significant changes or even any changes to the main terms of the existing agreement. So that's our first preference. We are exploring all options. But we've got great partners. We've got offers already on the table in hand. And hopefully, we'll have something to formally announce shortly. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Operator [14] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [Operator Instructions.] Our next question comes from Elyse Greenspan with Wells Fargo. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Elyse Beth Greenspan, Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division - Director & Senior Analyst [15] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My first question, so I think you mentioned, right, for go-forward events, your retention is right are about $25 million. Do you have a sense of where the cat for the fourth quarter stick out today based off of some of the events that we've already had? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bennett Bradford Martz, United Insurance Holdings Corp. - President & CFO [16] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes. We stated on Page 3 of our investor presentation that Delta and Zeta are likely to be between $50 million and $55 million. There is a -- the retention for the core group is $25 million, but there could be a little bit of additional loss related to our E&S business in that blue line tower. But we think the losses are contained within that range, but it is a preliminary. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Elyse Beth Greenspan, Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division - Director & Senior Analyst [17] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Okay. That's helpful. And then based off on the questions that you've had with Demotech, I guess what's -- is there like a timeframe, right, that they would want you guys to have some additional capital support in place or as you've spoken with them under what timeframe have you pointed to kind of working towards getting your leverage back to where you were before these storms? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bennett Bradford Martz, United Insurance Holdings Corp. - President & CFO [18] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- They haven't requested anything from us. We're being proactive in our modeling and capital planning in anticipation of questions they may have after reviewing our third quarter results, but they haven't expressed any desire to see us do anything at this moment. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Elyse Beth Greenspan, Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division - Director & Senior Analyst [19] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So when you think about, I guess, the conversations that you've had with some partners, I guess, some of these losses, right, that you're pointing to in the fourth quarter; when do you guys envision kind of getting your leverage back to where you were before these storms? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bennett Bradford Martz, United Insurance Holdings Corp. - President & CFO [20] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This quarter, we're targeting an effective date of December 1. So that could clearly change, but that is our target at the moment. And we bought some of that capital release to help bolster our RBC here in 2020. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Daniel Peed, United Insurance Holdings Corp. - Chairman & CEO [21] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And I on the one comment that the real key to our success in that is the -- is the growing underlying core profit margin because when you have that REIT and that margin to work with, it's not difficult to have additional quota share partnerships. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Elyse Beth Greenspan, Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division - Director & Senior Analyst [22] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Okay. That's helpful color. Okay. Then I was going to say, so you guys were also mentioning a good amount of rate that you're getting in your book, which triangulated right into a pretty good level of gross premium growth in the quarter. So what -- do you have a sense -- could you give us a little bit more color on kind of rate increases that we should expect from here as you kind of -- on your own (inaudible) to put a good amount more price through your book of business? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bennett Bradford Martz, United Insurance Holdings Corp. - President & CFO [23] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's pretty significant. On the personal lines side of the house, Page 8, does a pretty good job of laying out what some of the changes we've already made and are planning to make. We think the effect of these changes could be upwards of $100 million of additional premium with no increase in marginal exposure. And as that rate [earns] in, it's extremely powerful. Obviously, our capital position will dictate how much of that we get to keep. We're happy to share some of that with our reinsurance partners to the extent we need to. But we're going to be taking, as Dan mentioned, some pretty aggressive action to rein in the direct writings over time. The reinsurance is a long-term strategy, but it's also ["the share"] is probably more of a short-term tool to help us manage leverage until we refine the risk portfolio and get the direct writings dialed in where we want them. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Daniel Peed, United Insurance Holdings Corp. - Chairman & CEO [24] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is Dan. I'll also make the comment on Page 8 of the investor presentation, that a lot of the REIT that you see, like, for example, in Florida, 14%, 13% is the second rate increase. So we already have been working for a year under rate increases made last year, which is what's driving up our core right now, but these are rate on rate. And we're seeing retention ratios that are remaining very consistent. So we're not seeing -- we're not seeing that give us a higher nonrenewal rate. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Elyse Beth Greenspan, Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division - Director & Senior Analyst [25] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Okay. That's helpful. And then last question for me. I think you mentioned $4.2 million of favorable development. Brad, do you just have a little bit more color on what does that stem from and what accident years or if it was cat or non-cat? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bennett Bradford Martz, United Insurance Holdings Corp. - President & CFO [26] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Primarily all non-cat on the most recent accident year. So 2019. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Operator [27] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Your next question comes from Bill Broomall with Dowling & Partners. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- William Harry Broomall, Dowling & Partners Securities, LLC - Research Analyst [28] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If we can just go to Slide 12 of the presentation, you talked about the cat -- the agg program, which has been hit three years in a row. Can you just maybe talk about the interest that you're seeing from reinsurance partners in terms of participation? I know presentation says you're going to switch to a fixed percentage or fixed retention rather than a sliding scale. But can you just talk about the interest that you're hearing right now for that? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bennett Bradford Martz, United Insurance Holdings Corp. - President & CFO [29] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes. I will be the first to admit, aggregate coverage is difficult to come by these days, a lot of companies have struggled with placing their aggregates. We're in a unique position because we have one strategic partner who provides a flexible limit, and it is part of a shared limit with our core catastrophe reinsurance program on the [1:1] placement, [6:1] placement. So we've got a great deal of flexibility in how we can utilize that limit and structure something that works for both parties. So I will admit that we understand it's got to work for them as well, and we want to address that. And we certainly -- the primary goal this year is to have some fixed retention instead of one that varies with premium. Because of that phenomenon, where as the retention goes up, if your losses are unchanged, the possibility exists for you to recapture losses previously ceded and have cat losses incurred in a quarter where you didn't really have any new cat. So that's what we'd like to solve for. We don't have that finalized. So stay tuned on that. But our goal is to have a fixed amount of cat and stop our losses at that point in time. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- William Harry Broomall, Dowling & Partners Securities, LLC - Research Analyst [30] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Okay. Excellent. All right. Can you just -- in the press release this evening, you talked about UPC Re and you reached an exhaustion point. Can you just maybe explain to me what that is? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bennett Bradford Martz, United Insurance Holdings Corp. - President & CFO [31] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well, UPC was a participant on layer one of our core reinsurance program. So they had a $12.5 million exposure that was hit by Hurricane Laura. And so they don't -- they max -- they hit those maximum liability under their contract. So we -- and that's included in, obviously, the $125 million of net name windstorm losses retained in this quarter. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- William Harry Broomall, Dowling & Partners Securities, LLC - Research Analyst [32] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Got it. But your tower is full cascading, right? So the higher layers will drop down for any future events correct? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bennett Bradford Martz, United Insurance Holdings Corp. - President & CFO [33] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh yes, absolutely. That's all cat -- that was -- we fully collateralized that participation. But yes, it doesn't change the structure at all. And everything is cascaded down. There are no gaps in coverage in our program. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- William Harry Broomall, Dowling & Partners Securities, LLC - Research Analyst [34] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Okay. Perfect. And if I think about the additional quota share that you're looking to place, and I think about kind of the Q4 storms, how much buffer do you think in your RBC ratios kind of do you expect to have after this? So if Eta does come, or maybe another storm, would that buffer be enough that you won't have to do, maybe something else to address surplus? Anything you can comment on there? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bennett Bradford Martz, United Insurance Holdings Corp. - President & CFO [35] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I would just say we don't want to be anywhere near that 300% line. If we can help it, we want to be well above it. We're going to do our best to give us a margin of safety there that is reasonable. And that's about all we can say at this point in time. RBC is a complicated animal. But the de-risking of the company, that is ongoing right now. And the additional reinsurance support should have us in a good position at year-end. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- William Harry Broomall, Dowling & Partners Securities, LLC - Research Analyst [36] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Great. Maybe one last one, maybe numbers. How much cash do you have at the holdco? And what was the surplus at $930 million? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bennett Bradford Martz, United Insurance Holdings Corp. - President & CFO [37] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The unrestricted liquidity at the Holdco was $42.2 million at September 30, and the statutory surplus for group was $371 million. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Operator [38] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you. That concludes our question-and-answer period. I'd now like to turn the call back to management for closing remarks okay. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Daniel Peed, United Insurance Holdings Corp. - Chairman & CEO [39] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is Dan. Thanks again for your time and attention. I want to say that I continue to be excited about the future with the executive team we've put together over the last quarter and our employees and our key distribution and reinsurance partners, enabling us to navigate this market together. So thanks again. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Operator [40] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's teleconference and webcast. We thank you for your participation, and you may disconnect your lines at this time.