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Edited Transcript of VSTM earnings conference call or presentation 29-Oct-19 8:30pm GMT

Q3 2019 Verastem Inc Earnings Call

Cambridge Nov 2, 2019 (Thomson StreetEvents) -- Edited Transcript of Verastem Inc earnings conference call or presentation Tuesday, October 29, 2019 at 8:30:00pm GMT

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Corporate Participants

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* Brian Stuglik

Verastem, Inc. - CEO & Director

* Daniel W. Paterson

Verastem, Inc. - COO & President

* John Doyle

Verastem, Inc. - VP of IR & Finance

* Robert E. Gagnon

Verastem, Inc. - CFO & Chief Business Officer

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Conference Call Participants

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* Emma Kathleen Nealon

Cantor Fitzgerald & Co., Research Division - Analyst

* James Winsor Colby

BTIG, LLC, Research Division - Research Analyst

* Matthew David Cross

JonesTrading Institutional Services, LLC, Research Division - Research Analyst

* Swayampakula Ramakanth

H.C. Wainwright & Co, LLC, Research Division - MD of Equity Research & Senior Healthcare Analyst

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Presentation

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Operator [1]

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Good afternoon, and welcome to the Verastem Oncology Third Quarter Financial Results Conference Call on Tuesday October 29, 2019. (Operator Instructions) Please be advised that this call is being recorded at the company's request and will be available on the company's website for a period of 90 days from today.

At this time, I would like to introduce Mr. John Doyle, Vice President of Investor Relations and Finance at Verastem Oncology. Please go ahead.

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John Doyle, Verastem, Inc. - VP of IR & Finance [2]

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Welcome, everyone, and thank you for joining us this afternoon to discuss Verastem Oncology's financial results and corporate update for the third quarter of 2019. I'm joined today by Brian Stuglik, Chief Executive Officer; Dan Paterson, President and Chief Operating Officer; and Rob Gagnon, Chief Financial and Business Officer.

During today's call, Brian will provide some opening comments and provide a corporate update, Dan will discuss a few clinical development highlights and then Rob will provide an overview of our third quarter financial results. Brian will then provide some brief summary remarks before opening the call up for your questions.

Earlier today, we issued a press release detailing our third quarter 2019 financial results. The release is available on our website at verastem.com.

Before we begin our formal comments, I'll remind you that we will be making forward-looking assertions during today's call that represent the company's intentions, expectations or beliefs concerning future events, which constitute forward-looking statements for the purpose of the safe harbor provisions under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. All forward-looking statements are subject to factors, risks and uncertainties such as those detailed in today's press release announcing this call and in our filings with the SEC, which may cause actual results to differ materially from the results expressed or implied by such statements.

In addition, any forward-looking statements represent our views only as of the date of this recording and should not be relied upon as representing our views as of any subsequent date. We specifically disclaim any obligations to update any such statements. We refer you to the disclosure notice section in our earnings release we issued today and the Risk Factors section of the annual report on Form 10-K for a discussion of important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from these forward-looking statements.

With that, I would now like to turn the call over to Brian Stuglik. Brian?

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Brian Stuglik, Verastem, Inc. - CEO & Director [3]

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Thank you, John. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us on today's call. In 2019, Verastem Oncology has made continued progress in our mission to bring important new medicines to patients battling cancer. Our lead drug, COPIKTRA, known as duvelisib, just completed its fourth full quarter on the market. And net revenues for the 3 months ended September 30, 2019, were $4 million, a 33% increase over the prior quarter. Year-to-date, COPIKTRA has generated revenues of $8.7 million and we remain on track to achieve the $12 million to $14 million that we previously guided for 2019.

In addition to increasing quarter-over-quarter revenues, the number of prescribing physicians grew by 30% in the third quarter compared to the second quarter of 2019. We continue to see solid progress across all of our commercial efforts, including physician education and contracting. We are making progress in understanding and addressing market dynamics, identifying appropriate patients for treatment and building strong access across the country. Overall, we are highly encouraged by COPIKTRA's positive upward sales trajectory, and we continue to believe in our peak annual sales estimates of $200 million to $300 million for the current indications for which it is approved, including chronic lymphocytic leukemia, small lymphocytic lymphoma and follicular lymphoma.

That being said, we recognize that the COPIKTRA sales ramp has been slower than expected. As such, we have determined that we need to better align our upcoming expenses with the current launch trajectory. To that end, we announced today that we will be reducing our 2020 operating expenses by approximately $25 million through a series of initiatives, including a workforce reduction and lowering operating expenses. Specifically, we will be eliminating approximately 40 current positions across all functions. These changes are designed to streamline operations, speed execution and optimize the field organization for improved account access and performance. We expect these changes to have minimal impact on top line revenue results. The workforce reduction component of the initiative was completed this week. This reduction was a difficult decision, but based on our current plans and assumptions, we believe these changes give us the best opportunity to be successful with our stated "6-2-5" corporate plan. In our last earnings call, we communicated our new “6-2-5” plan, which is the commitment to: first, have COPIKTRA revenues on a positive upward trajectory and closing the gap between revenue and commercial spend within the first 6 months, which would be by the end of 2019; second, to achieve cash flow positive breakeven for both the COPIKTRA commercial and clinical programs within the next 2 years or by mid-2021; and third, to broaden the indication for COPIKTRA and have at least one additional marketed product, along with robust pipeline of assets in development within the next 5 years or by mid-2024.

Based on our current assumptions, these changes will help set us on a positive path that provides us with approximately 18 to 24 months cash runway to deliver on what we believe can be achieved with COPIKTRA. Collectively, the intent of these changes is to focus our spend on areas that will directly benefit COPIKTRA uptick in the market, ensure continuity of our development efforts while condensing certain layers in the organization.

We recognize that the staff reduction personally impacts many talented employees, and we wish to sincerely thank all those who are affected for their important contributions to the company.

Importantly, we remain deeply committed to driving the adoption of COPIKTRA in the U.S. and to expanding this footprint both in other global geographies and in additional hematologic malignancy indications.

With that, I'll turn it over to Dan.

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Daniel W. Paterson, Verastem, Inc. - COO & President [4]

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Thank you, Brian. There have been multiple positive developments on the business development, clinical and regulatory fronts. For the BD front, in July, we executed a new strategic ex-U. S. partnership, an exclusive license agreement with Sanofi to develop and commercialize COPIKTRA in Russia and CIS, Turkey, the Middle East and Africa for a total of 78 countries.

Under the terms of this agreement, we received an upfront payment of USD 5 million, and we're eligible to receive aggregate future payments of up to USD 42 million if certain development and sales milestones are successfully achieved. We're also eligible to receive double-digit percentage royalties based on future net sales of COPIKTRA in the licensed territories.

On the regulatory front, we're planning to submit a marketing authorization application to the European Medicines Agency, seeking approval for duvelisib in patients with relapsed or refractory CLL/SLL and FL by the end of the year. Duvelisib recently received orphan drug designation from the FDA for use in the treatment of T-cell lymphoma. Duvelisib is not currently approved for the treatment of T-cell lymphoma, however, we're currently conducting the registration-directed Phase II PRIMO study in patients with relapsed/refractory T-cell lymphoma, an aggressive type of lymphoma, to further characterize its efficacy and tolerability in this population.

The dose-optimization, dose-selection portion of the PRIMO study was completed earlier this year, and we submitted the data for presentation at the upcoming American Society of Hematology 2019 annual meeting in December.

The registration-directed portion of the PRIMO study is currently ongoing and is to be conducted in the U.S., Europe and Japan.

We also made progress recently with our global duvelisib partners. In early October, Yakult Honsha dosed the first patient in a Phase Ib Japanese bridging study, evaluating COPIKTRA in patients with relapsed or refractory CLL/SLL following at least one prior therapy. Their multicenter open-level Phase Ib study is expected to enroll approximately 10 patients, and the primary endpoint of the study is objective response rate. Secondary endpoints of the study include overall survival, progression-free survival and safety. This study is expected to serve as a bridging study based on the efficacy and safety observed in Verastem Oncology's Phase III DUO study, and if successful, the results of Yakult's bridging study are expected to form the basis of a regulatory submission for COPIKTRA for the treatment of relapsed or refractory CLL/SLL in Japan.

Also on the global development front, dubelisib is partnered with CSPC Pharmaceutical Group in China. We currently expect CSPC to dose the first patient in their bridging study by the end of 2019.

Throughout third quarter and to the early part of the fourth quarter, Verastem and its external collaborators have been actively generating and presenting supportive duvelisib data at medical meetings. A total of 7 duvelisib abstracts were presented at 2 medical oncology meetings, the 18th Annual International Workshop on Chronic Lymphocytic Leukemia and the Society of Hematologic Oncology 2019 Annual Meeting.

Collectively, the presented abstracts highlighted a wide range of duvelisib clinical data, including data from the Phase III DUO study in patients with relapsed/refractory CLL/SLL, dose modification data from the Phase III DUO study, data from a post hoc analysis evaluating the effect of COPIKTRA on lymphocytosis, including with patients with high risk factors and data from the Phase II DYNAMO study on patients with refractory marginal zone lymphoma. These presented data continue to support the ongoing development of COPIKTRA.

And finally, important preclinical research was presented at the Fifth International Conference on New Concepts in Lymphoid Malignancies. The presented data showed superior anticancer activity of the dual PI3K-delta/gamma inhibitor, duvelisib, compared to the PI3K-delta inhibitor, idelalisib, in preclinical models of mantle cell lymphoma. As we stated previously, our long-term goal is to expand duvelisib development into additional lymphoid malignancy indications, and these preclinical data support the future study of duvelisib through clinical trials in patients with MCL.

In addition to these ongoing studies, we are also working towards initiation of 3 company-sponsored studies. One is randomized Phase II open-label intermittent dosing study, which will be named TEMPO and will evaluate the effect of planned 2-week dosing holidays on tumor response and safety in patients with relapsed/refractory indolent non-Hodgkin lymphoma who've received at least 1 prior systemic therapy. The purpose of this study is to build on the data previously presented at medical meetings that show that dose interruptions are an effective means of managing side effects and keeping patients on therapy without impacting efficacy. We recently received IRB approval for this multicenter study, which is expected during to enroll approximately 100 patients and will commence by the end of this year.

The second study is a Phase Ib2 study, which will combine duvelisib with the PD-1 inhibitor, pembrolizumab, in patients with head and neck squamous cell carcinoma. The immunomodulatory effect of duvelisib's dual PI3K inhibition that was previously seen in preclinical research provides the rationale for this combination. We look forward to further exploring the effects of this combination in the clinic and we expect this study to commence by the end of this year.

And third, we're in final preparation phase for the confirmatory Phase III DUO study aimed at converting the accelerated approval of COPIKTRA in FL into full approval. We're working with the FDA on final details and we expect to commence this study by the end of the year. Now I'd like to turn the call over to Rob for the financials.

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Robert E. Gagnon, Verastem, Inc. - CFO & Chief Business Officer [5]

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Thank you, Dan. Since we issued a press release earlier today, outlining our third quarter financial results, I'll just review the highlights. And to supplement our GAAP financial results, we have prepared and presented non-GAAP financial measures to help provide additional transparency and period-over-period comparability with respect to the company's operating performance.

We use these measures, among other factors, to assess and analyze operational results and trends and to make financial and operational decisions. A reconciliation between the non-GAAP financial measures and the most comparable GAAP financial measures are included in the tables accompanying the press release. The reconciling items include executive severance and separation costs as well as significant noncash charges and expenditures reflected in the income statement related to the stock-based compensation, noncash interest expense and amortization of acquired intangibles.

I'll now start with revenue. Total revenue for the 3 months ended September 30, 2019, or the 2019 quarter was $9 million. Net product revenue for the 2019 quarter was $4 million. That compares to $0.5 million for the 3 months ended September 30, 2018, or the 2018 quarter, following the FDA's approval of COPIKTRA on September 24, 2018.

License and collaboration revenue for the 2019 quarter was $5 million compared to $15 million for the 2018 quarter. The 2018 quarter included license revenue of $15 million related to an upfront payment pursuant to license and collaboration agreement executed between Verastem and CSPC in September 2018, partially offset by a $5 million upfront payment received pursuant to a license and collaboration agreement executed between Verastem and Sanofi in July 2019.

Total operating expenses for the 2019 quarter were $35.1 million compared to $41.4 million for the second quarter of 2019 and compare to $37.1 million for the 2018 quarter.

Non-GAAP operating expenses for the 2019 quarter were $32.8 million compared to $36.2 million for the second quarter of 2019 and compare to $35 million for the 2018 quarter.

Research and development expense for the 2019 quarter was $12.2 million compared to $11.6 million for the 2018 quarter. The increase of $0.6 million or 5.2% was primarily related to the timing of CRO cost. Selling, general and administrative expense for the 2019 quarter was $22.2 million compared to $25.4 million for the 2018 quarter. The decrease of $3.2 million or 12.6% was primarily due to a decrease of $2.3 million in consulting and professional fees, primarily related to the support of launch activities in the 2018 quarter and a decrease of $0.9 million in personnel-related costs, including noncash stock-based compensation.

Interest expense for the third quarter of 2019 was $5 million, which is mainly comprised of interest related to the convertible notes.

Net loss for the 2019 quarter was $30.1 million or $0.41 per share compared to $21.7 million or $0.29 per share for the 2018 quarter, and $42.2 million or $0.57 per share for the second quarter of 2019. Non-GAAP adjusted net loss for the 2019 quarter was $26.2 million or $0.35 per share compared to non-GAAP adjusted net loss of $19.4 million or $0.26 per share for the 2018 quarter, and $35.7 million or $0.48 per share for the second quarter of 2019.

And as of September 30, 2019, Verastem had cash and investments of $160.2 million compared to $249.7 million of cash and investments as of December 31, 2018. As Brian mentioned earlier, we are reiterating our 2019 net revenue guidance as we continue to expect COPIKTRA sales to come in at between $12 million and $14 million. This estimate is based on net product revenue to date, current run rates and near-term expectations.

Based on our current operating plans and assumptions, we expect our operating expenses for the full year of 2020 to be in the range of $110 million to $115 million. Looking ahead, we anticipate providing preliminary 2020 net product revenue guidance during our year-end 2019 earnings call. With that, I'll now turn the call back to Brian for closing remarks.

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Brian Stuglik, Verastem, Inc. - CEO & Director [6]

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Thanks, Rob. I will now review our key upcoming goals and priorities for the months and quarters ahead. Our key priorities are as follows: one, executing on the "6-2-5" plan; two, continuing to execute on the commercial launch of COPIKTRA; three, pursuing regulatory approval in Europe where we expect to submit our MAA by the end of 2019; four, initiating the TEMPO study by the end of 2019; five, initiating the confirmatory Phase III DUETTO study evaluating duvelisib for the treatment of patients with relapsed or refractory follicular lymphoma, that confirmatory study is also expected to start by the end of 2019; six, conducting the registration-directed portion of the Phase II PRIMO study in patients with relapsed or refractory PTCL, for which the dose-optimization, dose-selection portion is now complete and the data have been submitted to ASH 2019 for presentation in December; and seven, initiating the Phase Ib2 combination study, investigating duvelisib and the PD-1 inhibitor, pembrolizumab, in patients with head and neck squamous cell carcinoma by the end of 2019.

In closing, I would just like to reiterate that we remain deeply committed to bringing COPIKTRA to patients with these devastating hematologic malignancies. With the announcements made today, we believe that the 18- to 24-month runway will allow us to continue to progress COPIKTRA in its current indications and ensure continuity of our development efforts. We believe we have the right people and right plan in place to maximize the value for both COPIKTRA and Verastem Oncology and for all stakeholders. We look forward to keeping you updated on our progress in the months and quarters ahead.

With that, we'll now open the call up for your questions. Operator?

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Questions and Answers

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Operator [1]

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(Operator Instructions) Our first question comes from Alethia Young with Cantor Fitzgerald.

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Emma Kathleen Nealon, Cantor Fitzgerald & Co., Research Division - Analyst [2]

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This is Emma on for Alethia. So with your plans to streamline and reduce OpEx, how many of the 40 positions that you eliminated were sales reps? And can you give us a sense of what percentage of overall sales force that represent?

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Robert E. Gagnon, Verastem, Inc. - CFO & Chief Business Officer [3]

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Yes. Thank you for the question. This is Rob. So of the 40 heads, approximately 14 or so fell within the sales organization. And if you recall, when we started the launch, we had about 50 sales reps in the field. So that's the numbers there as far as restructuring on the commercial sales force.

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Brian Stuglik, Verastem, Inc. - CEO & Director [4]

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Yes. And Emma, I would just add to Rob's comments that when we look at our deployment plan now, we actually are going to cover those offices. Our focus will be mostly now on the high-volume offices. And this move also allows us to put some of our very best sales representatives on newer accounts.

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Operator [5]

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Our next question comes from Robert Hazlett with BTIG.

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James Winsor Colby, BTIG, LLC, Research Division - Research Analyst [6]

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This is Jake on the line for Bert. I was just wondering maybe could you talk a little bit about your strategy for Europe in light of this current restructuring? And then maybe could you comment on I guess where you are with enrollment in PRIMO? And when we may see data there?

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Daniel W. Paterson, Verastem, Inc. - COO & President [7]

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Yes. So this is Dan. I'll say, we've not given guidance on how long PRIMO will take to be done and will say we are ahead of our internal projections and continue to be optimistic. I think once we have a little more of a track record on the expansion phase, we'll give guidance on that.

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James Winsor Colby, BTIG, LLC, Research Division - Research Analyst [8]

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And then I guess just on Europe. Just your thoughts on taking it yourself or potentially looking a partner in that geography?

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Daniel W. Paterson, Verastem, Inc. - COO & President [9]

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Yes. So we are doing the filing ourselves. We've not made a final decision. We're in discussions with potential partners. We obviously, understand what it would take if we did it ourselves and we'll make the decision probably sometime after filing.

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Operator [10]

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And our next question comes from Swayampakula Ramakanth with H.C. Wainwright.

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Swayampakula Ramakanth, H.C. Wainwright & Co, LLC, Research Division - MD of Equity Research & Senior Healthcare Analyst [11]

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Congratulations on the progress. I'm just trying to understand your guidance versus your commentary. You seem to be comfortable with the increase in the prescribers and also your general overall positive commentary on your current sales. But if I look at your guidance, it basically is quite similar to the $4 million that you recognized in this quarter. So I'm just trying to understand how I would triangulate your commentary versus your guidance versus what we should expect in the fourth quarter in terms of sales on COPIKTRA?

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Robert E. Gagnon, Verastem, Inc. - CFO & Chief Business Officer [12]

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RK, this is Rob. Thank you for the question. Yes. Just to go back, as we stated, we're committed to delivering on the $12 million to $14 million that we last communicated back in Q2. It's still -- I know it's been over a year, it's still quite early in the overall launch in determining the trajectory. And this is going to be really our first fourth quarter and year-end post launch. I know the product launched very late in September, but it was early months last year. So there is a little bit unknown in terms of seasonality and how December will affect the numbers. So at this point, we felt like the right thing to do is just reiterate the guidance and stay the course because it is just still a little bit early in determining the fourth quarter impact.

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Swayampakula Ramakanth, H.C. Wainwright & Co, LLC, Research Division - MD of Equity Research & Senior Healthcare Analyst [13]

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Okay. And then another question on the sales. And also what you think is the total value of this drug in terms of sales? If you -- if we analyze where you are right now, we're looking at like $16 million a year. But your -- you still feel your peak sales could be somewhere between $200 million and $300 million. So what's the difference? What's missing? Obviously, you've spent a solid year in trying to get this drug launched effectively. But how should I think about going from here to $200 million or $250 million? And what are the things that one should expect to see if we need to get there?

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Robert E. Gagnon, Verastem, Inc. - CFO & Chief Business Officer [14]

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Yes. Thanks again for that follow-up, RK. It's Rob. I'll start and then Brian and Dan may want to add. But keep in mind, in the second quarter, sales grew at a pretty good pace, it was about 80% and in the third quarter, we continued to experience a good high growth rate quarter-over-quarter. It's difficult to predict in the short-term on a quarter-by-quarter basis just where that trend will go. But we're confident that we will continue to experience a pretty good growth rate in the fourth quarter and into next year. And when we talk about the peak sales of $200 million to $300 million, that was really in reference to year 4 or 5 post launch. And so we're making progress against that and we still have ways to go, but that's how we are thinking about peak sales that would come in probably after the fourth year, maybe the fifth year of launch.

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Brian Stuglik, Verastem, Inc. - CEO & Director [15]

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Yes. And then RK, to build on Rob's commentary, we believe there's about 20,000 or so third-line FL and CLL patients. And when we launched a year ago, we didn't necessarily have all the infrastructure, processes, relationships and people in place. And so over the past year, we've been doing -- improving each of those, starting first with improving thought leaders support and experience. We didn't go through this quarter, but we do have a number of investigator-sponsored studies where we're beginning to see that strong thought leader support. Second, with many of our big accounts, we're trying to secure COPIKTRA as the PI3 of choice through the EMR systems and getting that top spot in those EMR systems. And then third, we're continuing to move to this account-based selling, which will get us focused in the much larger accounts.

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Swayampakula Ramakanth, H.C. Wainwright & Co, LLC, Research Division - MD of Equity Research & Senior Healthcare Analyst [16]

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So sorry to just keep questioning on the sales. But just one last question from me. I'm just -- again, I'm trying to figure out if you are removing 30% of your sales force from the 50 you started off. But at the same time, you are hoping for growth in the coming years. So can you just give us a little bit more color as to, yes, it's a good thing, but it won't impact top line, I'm just trying to understand how that works?

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Daniel W. Paterson, Verastem, Inc. - COO & President [17]

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This is Dan. I think as Brian mentioned, one of the things we've started within the last quarter to focus a lot more on is really the large practices and the large accounts. And I wouldn't reason exactly from the numbers of 50 to 36 on the sales force because we've changed some roles and we have people that were in, say market access roles, before that are now focusing on these big accounts. And so we're putting much more attention on them. One of the things, frankly, that we found is the company that was new to this market, and didn't have the existing relationships with the big practices is there's somewhat of an inverse relationship between access and practice size. And we can get into the smaller practices where they might see 1 to 4 patients a year and didn't have nearly enough access into the bigger practices. And that's been the renewed focus. And I think that would give us confidence that the opportunity is still there. If you think of how these prescriptions grow, you get a first prescription, the doctor has a good experience and gets the next patient, it's hard for that to catch a lot of tailwinds when the doctor sees 1 to 4 of those kinds of patients a year. You need to get into the places that have the critical mass and we've really doubled down on efforts around that within the last quarter or so.

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Brian Stuglik, Verastem, Inc. - CEO & Director [18]

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Yes. The last thing to build on Dan's answer is, it's also in today's commercial world, a multichannel approach. So we're upping our digital efforts. We are expanding our programs through the group purchasing organizations. And what we didn't necessarily talk about yet is we're also adding a nurse educator role to expand education within the doctor's office. So when you look at all those efforts and we take a step back on the total impact of share of voice in the marketplace, we don't believe this is going to be a significant impact on those efforts.

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Operator [19]

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And next question comes from Matthew Cross with JonesTrading.

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Matthew David Cross, JonesTrading Institutional Services, LLC, Research Division - Research Analyst [20]

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Congrats on the earning speed. Following up on what I think RK was getting at a bit, but getting maybe specific about the 6-month portion of the "6-2-5" plan is I think that offers some read through to success on your 2- and 5-year goals. I was hoping to get a little bit of clarity around what amount of revenue to expense differential you consider a success in that time frame? I know you've announced you will be cutting $25 million in expenses, which will certainly help bring down burn close to the top line revenue, but since that's a 2020-initiative, and you've reiterated sales guidance of $12 million to $14 million for this year, burning about $30 million a quarter, $120 million on annualized basis. It seems like a rather large gap to close. I'm just trying to understand what more immediate cost savings or sales inflections you're expecting over the next 2 months to meet that 6-month goal? You brought down SG&A pretty substantially, quarter-over-quarter. And so should we expect that to continue or what specifics help get you there?

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Robert E. Gagnon, Verastem, Inc. - CFO & Chief Business Officer [21]

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Yes. Matt, thanks for the question. This is Rob. I'll start. So I just want to make sure it's clear, the goal was within 6 months to have sales on a trajectory that would allow the company to achieve cash flow breakeven for the COPIKTRA franchise within 2 years. So we stated that goal back in the June quarter, so that would put it in June of 2021. We haven't communicated exactly what we would consider to be exact success on that glide path, but as we continue to grow a good double-digit growth rate quarter-over-quarter, we're making progress against that goal. And as you can see as we've announced today, we're taking action to significantly reduce the operating expenses and streamline the organization to bring those 2 numbers closer. We haven't given quarterly guidance around operating expenses, but as you've seen in previous quarters, the expenses tend to be somewhat straight line. There's a little bit of lumpiness over the summer months. But for the most part, if you take that guidance of $110 million to $115 million, it would be a pretty good straight-line type allocation if you wanted to estimate that impact or that estimate on a quarterly basis.

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Matthew David Cross, JonesTrading Institutional Services, LLC, Research Division - Research Analyst [22]

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Great. Okay. No, that's very helpful. I appreciate that, Rob. And just to clarify, is it fair to assume that since the -- some of these headcount reduction just occurred, you said, in the last week. Is that something that we would see reflected in the next quarter? Or is that kind of part of the reduction we saw this quarter?

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Daniel W. Paterson, Verastem, Inc. - COO & President [23]

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So a lot of those actions took place this week. And so you should expect to see the benefit of those changes for 2 of the 3 months within the quarter and the full year effect of those changes next year.

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Matthew David Cross, JonesTrading Institutional Services, LLC, Research Division - Research Analyst [24]

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Perfect. Appreciate that housekeeping. And then just wanted to touch on the DUETTO study that you have announced -- planning to begin by the end of this year. Is there some sort of -- rather tight time frame here? I mean something you guys are going to have quite a lot beginning by the end of the year. Is there anything you can say about the design for that trial? Should we expect this to be a pretty standard combination dose-escalation design? Is there any insight into what the combination-dosing schedule might look like extrapolating from what you saw preclinically? And anything you're looking to avoid or that this particular area of interest in terms of toxicities that might emerge there?

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Robert E. Gagnon, Verastem, Inc. - CFO & Chief Business Officer [25]

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Yes. We've not really commented on the design of the study. We're finalizing things with the FDA. I think right around the time we start, we would be disclosing the design.

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Operator [26]

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And at this time, I'd like to turn the call back to CEO, Brian Stuglik, for any closing remarks.

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Brian Stuglik, Verastem, Inc. - CEO & Director [27]

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Thank you very much. With that, I would like to thank everyone again for dialing in to today's call. Have a great day.

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Operator [28]

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Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.