Plug Power Inc (PLUG) Q2 2019 Earnings Call Transcript
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Plug Power Inc (NASDAQ: PLUG)
Q2 2019 Earnings Call
Aug 6, 2019, 10:00 a.m. ET
Contents:
Prepared Remarks
Questions and Answers
Call Participants
Prepared Remarks:
Operator
Greetings and welcome to the Plug Power's Second Quarter Earnings Call. [Operator Instructions]. I would now like to turn the conference over to our host Teal Vivacqua Hoyos, Director of Marketing and Communications. Thank you, you may begin.
Teal Vivacqua Hoyos -- Director of Marketing and Communications
Thank you. Good morning and welcome to the Plug Power 2019 second quarter earnings call. This call will include forward-looking statements. We intend these forward-looking statements to be covered by the Safe Harbor provisions for forward-looking statements contained in Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934.
We believe that it is important to communicate our future expectations to investors. However, investors are cautioned not to unduly rely on forward-looking statements because they involve risks and uncertainties, and actual results may differ materially from those discussed as a result of various factors, including, but not limited to, risks and uncertainties discussed under item 1A Risk Factors in our annual report on Form 10-K for the fiscal year ending December 31, 2018, as well as other reports we file from time to time with the SEC. These forward-looking statements speak only as of the day in which the statements are made, and we do not undertake or intend to update any forward-looking statements after this call.
At this point, I would like to turn the call over to Plug Power's CEO, Andy Marsh.
Andy Marsh -- President and Chief Executive Officer
Thank you for joining the second quarter conference call. Today we issued our second quarter shareholder letter, which provides details about our second quarter performance as well as our outlook for the remainder of the year. Let me start by saying it was a good quarter. The key highlight is that we showed substantial improvement in operating margins and adjusted EBITDA. This improvement is both year-over-year and on a sequential basis. This underscores inherent operating leverages in our business model. At a quarterly gross billing rate of about $60 million, we are break even at our current cost structure.
In addition, ongoing cost reductions continue to lower this threshold. Some highlights for the quarter include the company deployed over 2,000 GenDrive units, up 70% year-over-year and reported gross billings of $58.6 million, up 50% year-over-year. Additionally, the company was EBITDA break even for the second time in the past three quarters. We also completed a small tuck-in small scale hydrogen fuel cell technology acquisition to complement our suite of offerings for broader logistics, robotics and UAV at markets. We expanded into on-road vehicle applications and secured our first commercial scale deployment of ProGen fuel cells for on-road logistics with StreetScooter, a subsidiary of DHL.
As people know, DHL is the world's largest logistics and mail communication service companies. Starting with 100 units for their on-the road vehicles, the program is expected to expand. According to Marcus Reckling, the head of German operations at DHL Express, if everything works as we imagine it would, there could be soon be 500 vehicles worldwide. He further added that 80% to 90% of last mile delivery vehicles would likely be a hybrid system, including batteries and fuel cells.
Few more items before moving on to the question-and-answers. One, we are reiterating our 2019 guidance, gross revenue is between $235 million to $245 million, adjusted EBITDA for the full year 2019 when you exclude non-cash charges for customer warrants. Three, and finally the company will make four major announcements, DHL StreetScooter was our first. Also, we will be hosting the Plug Power Symposium on September 17th and 18th in Latham, New York. We're bringing together a group with a hydrogen fuel cell industry's thought leaders to discuss pertinent issues that will help accelerate the growth of the industry. Program will feature key industrial players, including suppliers and major customers, and we'll ask them to share their experience and growth aspirations. Additionally, we'll share additional insights on the second day, highlighting both Plug Power's near-term and long term plans.
Paul and I will now be open to your questions.
Questions and Answers:
Operator
Thank you.[Operator Instructions]. Our first question comes from Colin Rusch with Oppenheimer and Company. Please state your question.
Colin Rusch -- Oppenheimer and Company -- Analyst
Thanks so much, guys. Obviously, there's been some significant M&A activity in the sector in the past quarter with Cummins' move into the space. Can you talk a little bit about what you think the implications are for infrastructure build out and availability and bankability of that infrastructure as we go through the back half of this year and into next year?
Andy Marsh -- President and Chief Executive Officer
I think, Colin we view that acquisition is good for the whole ecosystem for the hydrogen fuel cell industry. And we think it's just a small piece of a bigger pie that's going on globally. I think when you look at commitments that are being made, large companies that they view that this industry that there'll be over $300 billion of investments over the next 10 to 12 years, obviously, infrastructure is part of that. And when I take a look, I have a parochial view of this.
But I think the fact that Plug Power has deployed more units, has built more hydrogen infrastructure, used more hydrogen than everyone else, which we think is a real long-term opportunity for the company that we think we're well positioned for this expanding, growing industry. And I think our results in this past quarter is an indicator of that.
Colin Rusch -- Oppenheimer and Company -- Analyst
Okay. And then, the follow up here is just really about the development activity on the -- over the road market. Obviously, there's an awful lot going on. Can you give us a sense of kind of order magnitude in terms of how many folks you're talking to in terms of, new programs? Obviously, you've mentioned the number of announcements you expect to make, but kind of order magnitude on the number of conversations and then, the cadence of how those things are likely to move forward.
Andy Marsh -- President and Chief Executive Officer
Sure. Colin, so let me just take a step back and say no, first, the announcement with StreetScooter and DHL and the level of publicity that came with it has been helpful in engaging folks from outside to come to Plug Power about potential opportunities. And I think that, we are -- we remain the pure play company that is not tied up with anyone. And it puts us in a unique position. And, we have a prepackaged, well-defined ProGen engine, which is made -- it makes it easy for integrators, OEMs to integrate into their products. And you know, I'll just say that, we have had Tier 1 OEM's here to visit us. We've been dealing with the worldwide integrators, especially in Europe and the United States, and that I would expect that over the coming year that you'll see continual announcements by Plug Power's for our deployment in these sectors. And I'll just add, we're not really -- we're not talking about one or two units. We're -- we want to -- one item is that during my entire tenure here, I haven't opened all i'm interested in a few units for show. It has to lead to long-term program project development. And that has always been our focus. And that's the type of people we're engaging.
Colin Rusch -- Oppenheimer and Company -- Analyst
Okay. That's super helpful. Thanks so much.
Andy Marsh -- President and Chief Executive Officer
Okay.
Operator
Thank you. Our next question comes from Eric Stine with Craig-Hallum. Please state your question.
Eric Stine -- Craig-Hallum Capital Group, LLC -- Analyst
Hi, Andy and Paul.
Andy Marsh -- President and Chief Executive Officer
Hey, Eric.
Eric Stine -- Craig-Hallum Capital Group, LLC -- Analyst
Hey, just interested in talking more, -- you mentioned it in your -- in your newsletter, your priorities for hydrogen, obviously, availability and price certainty, key for adoption. I know that you are starting to own more tank so you can source hydrogen at the optimal price. But, maybe some more details about some potential steps that you can take to achieve your objectives.
Andy Marsh -- President and Chief Executive Officer
I think, Colin, you'll see -- Eric, you'll see activity in a number of different areas. You mentioned tanks. I think that's -- I think you hit on a critical point. I think that you'll see the announcements where we'll do a longer term deal for price stability with a -- with one of the liquid hydrogen companies. I think you will also see, Colin, that Plug will take some steps to move closer into the generation business. And I think that, at the symposium in mid-September, not the kind of kick-the-question-out, I think part of our presentations will be about the strategic steps we're taking to move deeper into hydrogen to improve our margins and make sure that cost effective hydrogen is available for our customers.
Eric Stine -- Craig-Hallum Capital Group, LLC -- Analyst
Got it. And is that -- I mean, fair to say, I think earlier in the year when you talked about the four major announcements, something with an industrial gas partner, I believe was one of those four. Is it fair that we should still think about that being the case?
Andy Marsh -- President and Chief Executive Officer
Yes.
Eric Stine -- Craig-Hallum Capital Group, LLC -- Analyst
Okay. And then just, related to providing the fuel on the margin side. I mean, I know that's an objective, to get that, to improve that, just maybe steps there or how you think that's trending and what we should look for going forward?
Andy Marsh -- President and Chief Executive Officer
Paul, do you want to take how you view it's trending?
Paul Middleton -- Chief Financial Officer
Yeah, I think, again, there's ebbs and flows given volatility of timing of events and different dynamics. But you've seen over the last couple of years a continued progression and you're going to continue to see that. You mentioned earlier, Eric, the tank scenario is an example. We only own today about 10% of the tanks in -- out of all of our sites. However, we've got a program now rolling out where we're actually replacing, over the next year to year and a half, many of those in the field as those programs come up for renewal, and we work on refreshes of customers. And so that's going to have a dramatic impact in our ability to negotiate pricing with our carriers and our fuel supply.
So not to mention all of the efficiency investments that we have made and we continue to make. So I think, somewhere in the next 12 months, you'll see that move and migrate toward kind of breaking even and then north. Post that, we should be in that break even, the positive range as we move on into the near-term. So good results so far. And, we expect it to continue to get better.
Eric Stine -- Craig-Hallum Capital Group, LLC -- Analyst
Got it. Okay. And maybe just sticking with margins, just one last one for me, just on the product gross margin, a very good 40% number, just maybe how that breaks down between GenDrive and infrastructure, and I mean, is this a good level to think about going forward?
Andy Marsh -- President and Chief Executive Officer
I'll let you take that, Paul.
Paul Middleton -- Chief Financial Officer
Yeah. So in this particular quarter, it was all units. So that helps. We had a lot of shipments to -- a lot of migration of, a lot of programs where we were shipping infrastructure, but the majority of revenue was units. So that helps a great deal. But we have seen tremendous growth in our margin profile of the infrastructure. And, we continue to see that trend as we progress.
Eric Stine -- Craig-Hallum Capital Group, LLC -- Analyst
Got it. Thank you.
Operator
Our next question comes from Amit Dayal with H.C. Wainwright. Please state your question.
Amit Dayal -- H.C. Wainwright & Co -- Analyst
Thank you. Good morning, Andy. Good morning, Paul.
Andy Marsh -- President and Chief Executive Officer
Good morning, Amit.
Amit Dayal -- H.C. Wainwright & Co -- Analyst
On the operating leverage side, is this $22.5 million OpEx number, sort of where you level off for the next few quarters?
Andy Marsh -- President and Chief Executive Officer
Paul, you want to take that?
Paul Middleton -- Chief Financial Officer
I'm sorry...
Andy Marsh -- President and Chief Executive Officer
Essentially, it's a question about, is this operating expense for this quarter where we expect to level off for the future course?
Paul Middleton -- Chief Financial Officer
Yeah, Amit. Hey, good morning. Sorry. I think we -- every year in the second quarter we have a little bit of a bump with our annual compensation programs. But I expect that next quarter reserve back to that kind of $17.5 million to $18 million level as we progress forward.
Amit Dayal -- H.C. Wainwright & Co -- Analyst
Understood. Thank you. This recent acquisition, Andy, EnergyOr, or I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right...
Andy Marsh -- President and Chief Executive Officer
That is correct.
Amit Dayal -- H.C. Wainwright & Co -- Analyst
How does this fit into your product suite? When will this potentially become part of your sales efforts or show up in your results? Any color on how we should expect this to support your growth efforts?
Andy Marsh -- President and Chief Executive Officer
So, there's actually two aspects here, Amit. One is, i'll call, near to mid-term and one intelligent -- and what our EnergyOr has done is developed a very cost effective low power platform. And when we think about the warehouse for the future, which we're actually deeply involved with now, probably 2000 units that we have out there are automatic guided vehicles and we see that this technology is even though designed -- designed for drones, it's really important for the intelligent robots of the future. So, it really helps us support not only our customers today, but our customers for the future to move to hydrogen.
I would also talk about, though, they've worked in small scale robotics, people we -- who've joined the company from the acquisition, they also have a deep understanding of aviation from their past lives. And now I view aviation opportunities, things like short haul, aerial taxis as probably a bit longer out. But what its really has done and we have had engagements with the folks who have recognized that aerial taxis have real limitations using batteries both from a weight and distance travel point of view. And somewhere around, traveling for 20 minutes, we believe fuel cells like with on-road vehicles are far superior to batteries. And it's an area that from a technology sets, an opportunity we're exploring and we felt that people at EnergyOr have really contributed greatly to those discussions since joining the company.
Amit Dayal -- H.C. Wainwright & Co -- Analyst
Understood. Then moving on to these catalysts you've highlighted previously as well, is the timeline still the end of the year for the remaining three catalysts to be presented to the street?
Andy Marsh -- President and Chief Executive Officer
Yes, and I am sure you'll hear one on at the Plug Power Symposium.
Amit Dayal -- H.C. Wainwright & Co -- Analyst
Understood. Thank you. Just last one on the fueling sites number. We were at 72 last quarter. Has that changed? And are we still targeting the 100 level for the end of the year?
Andy Marsh -- President and Chief Executive Officer
Yes.
Amit Dayal -- H.C. Wainwright & Co -- Analyst
Okay. Any change to -- any increase from 72 in the first quarter?
Andy Marsh -- President and Chief Executive Officer
We -- we are -- I believe it's more than 72 and that may be 72 that we own, Paul?
Paul Middleton -- Chief Financial Officer
Yeah. So the -- that's right. That's where we have the infrastructure and the billing associated with it. The number will have gone up a bit. But again, there's a timing difference in terms of when it's something that will roll into the revenues for the year.
Amit Dayal -- H.C. Wainwright & Co -- Analyst
Okay, understood. That's all I have. Thank you so much, guys.
Andy Marsh -- President and Chief Executive Officer
All right.
Operator
Thank you. [Operator Instructions]. Our next question comes from Chris Souther with Cowen. Please state your question.
Christopher Curran Souther -- Cowen and Company -- Analyst
Hey, thanks for taking my question. You mentioned the 70% cost reduction over the last 10 years, which is impressive. I just wanted to get an idea, how does pricing in costs for the larger GenDrive units for the FCEVs compare on like a kilowatt basis? I'm trying to get an idea of how much of the new systems are going to be and how much current parts you can transfer from material handling business?
Andy Marsh -- President and Chief Executive Officer
That's a good question, Chris, and if you take a look, for example, today 99% in new stacks that I shipped in the second quarter were Plug stacks and those stacks today are beginning to ship with Plug Membranes. And, that was an acquisition we did last year. And, when you start thinking about the membrane design and the stack design, that's certainly applicable and almost directly applicable into on-road vehicles. And then you think about -- and if you start thinking about items which is the balance of [Phonetic] plant, which is used to control and manage the stack, very much like any electronic product, the control system, the monitoring system that you use for controlling the stack is almost identical for on-road vehicles, though the components set is very, very similar and very, very beneficial to new applications for Plug Power.
Christopher Curran Souther -- Cowen and Company -- Analyst
Got it. And then can you talk a bit about the infrastructure build out that's planned as far as the -- around the StreetScooter deal? What are you guys providing as part of that versus third parties? How much spending by you or other needs to take place for the first 100 and then the next -- building up to the 500 DHLs would be talking about kind of after that?
Andy Marsh -- President and Chief Executive Officer
So, Chris, already in Germany, there are over a 100 fueling stations. And so we will be using the publicly available -- StreetScooter DHL will be using the publicly available fueling stations. Plug Power has not been involved in the build out of those publicly available fuel stations. It'll be centered around four of those stations, very much setup as for fleet vehicles. So that's what's going on. That's how the hydrogen infrastructure will be handled for those products. The good news is it's not a -- it's -- unlike many other places of the world, the infrastructure is there today.
Christopher Curran Souther -- Cowen and Company -- Analyst
Well, that's great. And then just the last one, your 2019 guide as you go in about 25%, 30% this year, it's almost entirely material handling, though it looks like maybe some of the StreetScooter gets recognized in like fourth Q or so. How does the pipeline for that core business look heading into 2020 as far as larger existing customers and new customers? And what should we think about kind of the continued penetration for that business heading forward, excluding StreetScooter and the other three deals?
Andy Marsh -- President and Chief Executive Officer
Sure. So. Chris, I think the key to that, that business will continue to grow at the rate. I think the key is adding another WalMart and Amazon and we -- we feel confident about that. At our symposium in September, not to kind of kick-the-question again, we will roll out upto 2020 expectations as well as our belief so for the next five years. So, I would say that we do have an aggressive plan to continue to grow and expand the business. And from a timing point of view, I -- this is a -- I've been doing this for 11 years now. The momentum in material handling in the other segments has never been greater for the company.
Christopher Curran Souther -- Cowen and Company -- Analyst
That's great. I look forward to hearing more about that at the symposium then. Thanks.
Andy Marsh -- President and Chief Executive Officer
Thanks, Chris.
Operator
Thank you. [Operator Instructions]. Our next question comes from Craig Irwin with Roth Capital Partners. Please state your question.
Craig Irwin -- Roth Capital Partners -- Analyst
Good morning and thanks for taking my questions.
Andy Marsh -- President and Chief Executive Officer
Hi Craig.
Craig Irwin -- Roth Capital Partners -- Analyst
Hi Andy, Paul. So when we look forward, right, your accomplishment, looking backwards on the cost out is really impressive. But when we look forward, you did say in the presentation that you expect to be the largest US MEA producer by the end of the year. Can you maybe frame out for us the opportunity for continued cost reduction in the stack and the overall system? Are there potential components that you could pull-in production on to improve the economics for Plug? Are there pieces of the equation that you see as low hanging fruit for continued cost-out that maybe continue this trajectory over the next couple of years?
Andy Marsh -- President and Chief Executive Officer
And Craig, I think the answer -- it's a very good question. I think the answer to your question is yes. And I would say this. I -- I don't want to go too detail on public, but we see [Phonetic] it set [Phonetic], for example, that over the next year or two, we can pull another 30% of the costs down in stack based on higher volume membrane production, based on design changes to the stack itself. And when I look at the stack and other activities, we're in very early stages here in the fuel cell industry for driving down cost. I think I look at the design itself, very much like my experience in telecom. You continue to look at higher levels of integration and moving for a [Phonetic] moldable [Phonetic] boards single boards to fewer components. A lot of it -- When I always look at this, Craig, I would say that, 30% to 50% of our cost reduction comes from a supply change and -- supply chain and volume and the rest comes from design innovation. And our team has a three to five-year roadmap, how we continue to bring down costs. And ultimately I think -- I think we can be on this track for a good four or five more years.
Craig Irwin -- Roth Capital Partners -- Analyst
Great. That's good to hear. Next thing I wanted to ask about is, is it a big picture question? So, fuel cell is superior to batteries, I get it. It's something that makes sense when you have large facilities with lots of trucks and refueling time and the operation of the recharge room is a real -- It's a real plus for fuel cells. But, lithium ion seems to be making a little bit of inroads in the industry. It does share some of the positive attributes from an economic standpoint that -- that fuel cells do. It is also quite a bit more expensive than lead acid. Can you maybe talk about where you see lithium ion fitting in competitively over the next couple of years? Is this something that -- that you see as a potential threat or is it maybe an opportunity for Plug?
Andy Marsh -- President and Chief Executive Officer
Craig, that's another great question. I would -- and we're even going to take it up a step higher. I've never been with someone who said that fuel cells answer all questions. That's a perfect technology for all apps. And where fuel cells are successful, whether it's material handling, on-road vehicles, is if you have fleet vehicles and you use the acid a great deal, that means that the attributes of fast fueling, constant power, longer range actually adds value to your application. And, I always look at this and think about from a customer point of view, if I was running a single ship with a fleet of 40 trucks, I would be seriously looking at lithium batteries. If I was looking at that same facility and I think it may grow to two to three ships long-term, I think I would put fuel cells in. So I think just like the broader electrification market, I think there'll be applications and material handling where batteries makes sense, and I think there'll be applications where fuel cells make sense.
Craig Irwin -- Roth Capital Partners -- Analyst
I like that response. Thank you, Andy. Thanks for taking taking my questions.
Andy Marsh -- President and Chief Executive Officer
Thank you, Craig.
Operator
Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I'll turn it back to Andy Marsh for closing remarks. Thanks.
Andy Marsh -- President and Chief Executive Officer
Well, thank you, everyone for joining our call today. And I'm looking forward to seeing all the analysts at our upcoming Plug Power Symposium. Thank you very much.
Operator
[Operator Closing Remarks].
Duration: 30 minutes
Call participants:
Teal Vivacqua Hoyos -- Director of Marketing and Communications
Andy Marsh -- President and Chief Executive Officer
Paul Middleton -- Chief Financial Officer
Colin Rusch -- Oppenheimer and Company -- Analyst
Eric Stine -- Craig-Hallum Capital Group, LLC -- Analyst
Amit Dayal -- H.C. Wainwright & Co -- Analyst
Christopher Curran Souther -- Cowen and Company -- Analyst
Craig Irwin -- Roth Capital Partners -- Analyst
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