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Netlist, Inc. (NLST)

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    Frank
    Apparently google is very sensitive with regards to the information on this case which comes to the public. All their motions to redact (hide!) recent files including those from Netlist were DENIED from judge Seeborg. See also GSOP recent posts.

    These denied motions to redact are of course no game changer (we our game changer already with the victories coming from the summary judgements on claim 16 and intervening rights. We do not need a game changer anymore. The game is now on our side. We just have to bring it home. Sheasby and Hong will do this with their experience and professionalism).

    The GREAT point of these google motions denied by the judge is that google apparently is very sensitive to any information which could come to the public. And discovery has not even started. Judge Seeborg made it very clear: the public interest supersedes the interests of the parties when it comes to redactions with only a very few permissible exceptions such personal data or trade secrets.

    Now google has a flavor of what kind of Information would become public during the discovery and then the Markaman hearing. And google won’t like that. I am not saying that this would definitely push google towards a settlement before 23 June, but it certainly increases the pressure on Google (and thus possibly also the the price google may want to pay to avoid information coming to the public from a discovery).

    In any case: after the so much important victories in the summary judgements (claim 16 motion granted to Netlist and intervening rights denied to Google), we have another sign that this judge does not care about the market or financial power of Google - he just applies the law. And this is only great for Netlist, because the law is on Netlist side - and google broke it.
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    Googlestoleourpatent
    I really really like Judge Seeborg and his policy of limited Redactions. No Game Playing! In other words if you say it be ready for the public to see it!!

    “This right of access supports ‘the citizen’s desire to keep a watchful eye on the workings of public agencies.’” Id. (quoting Nixon, 435 U.S. at 598). Accordingly, unless a particular court record is one traditionally kept secret, “a ‘strong presumption in favor of public access’ is the starting point.”

    https://www.reddit.com/r/NLST/comments/utyxzg/pacer_summary_from_yesterday_a_lot_of_fantastic/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
    Bullish
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    Googlestoleourpatent
    @Wesley I think that Judge will delay and slow walk his decision but will ultimately Dismiss. Seeborg has already ruled on the Motions. In Texas a schedule for Markman and Trial will be forthcoming in Judge Gilstraps court. At this point the DE Judge would be interfering in a decision from Judge Scarsi another District Judge, Interfering in a 12 year old case with Chief District Judge Scarsi and Interfering in a patent infringement case with Judge Gilstrap in Texas. He would be interfering on behalf of Samsung who's only reason to file the DE action was a temper tantrum for losing the Breach Of Contract Case in Ca. I think he will Dismiss eventually.
    Bullish
  • W
    Wesley
    Samsung claims in Delaware the Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit is corrupt in handling the '912 patent. Samsung is corrupt & doesn't want to pay for intellectual property & others their patented inventions. & The PDA thing that Samsung claims undoes Claim 16 is not true either see Seeborg recent ruling. Then the engineers are fully recruited now for HybridDimm, I read an article that stated this & Ceo also stated this at the Arete conference in 2021 that companies are waiting with their arms wide open for HybridDimm since it makes possible the next level of AI.
  • J
    Jimmy
    I think they call this a slam dunk. Google will get posterized:

    "The patentee must prove that there was a demand for the patented product during the period of infringing sales, that there was an absence of acceptable noninfringing substitutes, and that the patent owner had the ability to meet the demand for the products covered by the patent."

    Seminal product (demand and lack of alternative). Sales and supply show ability.
    Bullish
  • K
    Ken
    I rather enjoy reading the posts of the bush lawyers and the self appointed experts on message boards. There are some very knowledgeable people in their fields adding a good dollars worth of input and there are others. Most interesting is the range that some are spouting as to what the payouts would,will or should be. On that front I have no idea however clearly all claims hold a risk factor and should have been taken into account. Most interestingly to me is the penalty phase. If this sum is not high enough to deter future intellectual theft then the actual act has been endorsed by the court and it will become even further encouraged than it already has. The same applies to the individual unit [whichever it or they may be]. I see figures of 2-3 billions which has to be a joke as this yells loud and clear that intellectual property theft is the best investment in the world. Secondly if figures like this have any basis then companies like Google, Micron, Samsung would have bought out Netlist from the coffee break cost money. Considering that Google alone is nearly a 2 trillion dollar company of which much of that has been made by use of stolen intellectual rights property it is clear to me that many are blinded by a line of zero's. Some of these estimates would barely cover final costs therefore the onus, if the contentions prove true, of which I have little doubt given the involved persons and their educations, are way out of sync. To make the exercise even worthwhile the total claims, against Google need to be in multitudes of 10's of billions of dollars. Why else would Google and cronies even be fighting. We definitely are not talking about a flea on an elephants back even if you would think so going by the current SP. Google and cohorts are well aware of this and it would seem that little Netlist is giving big Google a decent sized dose of 'Poo Panties."
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    Googlestoleourpatent
    Specifically, Netlist moves to amend its infringement contentions to make clear that it is accusing Google’s 8- and 16-rank DDR4 DIMMs. Good cause exists for Netlist’s proposed amendment because Netlist could not have discovered such information regarding Google’s accused products at the time Netlist served its currently operative infringement contentions and Google would not suffer any prejudice as a result of Netlist’s proposed amendment.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/NLST/comments/urslx0/doc_269_jason_sheasby_formally_accusing_google_of/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
    Bullish
  • E
    ERIC
    I don't know how the law works on this, but Netlist's products are in use and not licensed. Because of the way getting a patent works, there is a time lag from when you apply and when the patent is granted. Others don't know about the application for a patent so they may use the product with unintentional consequences. But, after knowing of the patent, the consequences should be more severe. And, failing to reasonably agree to paying licensing fees, while still producing the product, should have enormous consequences to the infringers. It's like giving the law the middle finger. Not a good idea. Hopefully, the judge agrees that being flippant should be properly addressed to bring all offenders in line. And doing it to google would certainly send the message.
  • C
    Charlie gonna Charlie
    Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.
    Amen & good night troops...
  • J
    JeffG
    New Job posting: Vice President of HR.
    All other positions appear to have been filled at this time.
    Anybody selling at these prices is uninformed or flipping for pennies.
    Let's Go Brandon...I mean Netlist
    Bullish
  • M
    MAX
    @Jeff: HR situation: Overwhelmed with all the New Hires and got a peak at plans for expansion. Decided to retire with 452,000 shares in his brokerage.
    Bullish
  • D
    DRM
    Yes. Judges are very aware of other court cases that are impacted by their decisions.
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    Chevelle
    Oh my goodness gracious. Good golly Miss Molly. Someone has left a job, first time in American history someone has ever ever left a job, it's never ever happened before in this country! Oh the horrors of it all!! World must be coming to an end. What will we do, what will we do.
  • w
    wolfgang
    For one who has fought, suffered, waited and invested for more than 12 years in order to collect the well deserved huge harvest - there is only smile in his face in the last months before harvesting. Hong perfectly knows what he wants and aims for - you better know as well if you want to participate in the big harvesting time ahead of us.
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    arkhe
    It would be prudent for Google's lawyers to settle this case on or before the June 23 case management with Judge Seeborg. The Doc269 motion to amend, accusing Google’s 8- and 16-rank DDR4 DIMMs, if granted by the Judge, would open the discovery of Google's patent infringement wide open. More worms will be found and more evidence could likely prove Google knowingly and willfully stole Netlist patent and abused the legal process to delay and confuse the judge (or jury) in an effort to conceal IP theft since 2009. I believe if this motion to amend is granted, Google will ultimately face a jury trial and will likely pay treble damages no less than $2B.
    Bullish
  • F
    Frank
    Netlist Green when Nasdaq is minus 4.5 %. ?? Only BIG SMART money is buying an OTC stock on days like this. Think about.
  • J
    JeffG
    Google puts this statement in every 10Q. They are well aware of what this Netlist case could mean and I don't think they want to risk this. I predict a settlement soon.

    "Adverse results in these lawsuits may include awards of substantial monetary damages, costly royalty or licensing agreements, or orders preventing us from offering certain features, functionalities, products, or services. As a result, we may have to change our business practices and develop non-infringing products or technologies, which could result in a loss of revenues for us and otherwise harm our business."
    Bullish
  • W
    Wesley
    Since DDR4 server memory became affordable in 2016 & at this time Google went in big in for DDR4 Google stock tripled & even quadrupled at the peak. DDR4 is a huge workhorse, we are talking about more than a $trillion marketcap added. & there is huge trade secret violation of the old patents with NDA that was violated because there was no licensing by Google for using the know how of Netlist, of a dozen patents that were in a presentation presented to Google. Claim 16 is used by DDR4 8 rank & 16 rank modules, because there is a second rank lower than 8 or 16, like Claim 16.
  • C
    Charlie gonna Charlie
    Well, Mr. Volume missed his connecting flight and won't be coming today.
    Now we're stuck discussing the Human Resources department.
    Talk about over-thinking...😳
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