Anthony Scaramucci, SkyBridge Founder and Co-Managing Partner, joined Yahoo Finance to discuss the deadly riots that took over Capitol Hill and what it means for President Trump as his term nears its end.
ADAM SHAPIRO: Our democracy is under siege, and what we witnessed yesterday President-Elect Joe Biden called domestic terrorism. But we want to invite into the stream Anthony Scaramucci, the founder of SkyBridge Capital, former White House communications director and an acquaintance of Donald Trump. I'm not sure if I could say you're a former friend.
But Anthony, right before we came into the stream, you were saying Donald Trump is going to jail. Elaborate. Because of yesterday or other crimes?
ANTHONY SCARAMUCCI: Well, I think he's got-- I think if you look at the permutation of outcomes, by the way, great presentation by Dan Morehead on Bitcoin, by the way, Adam. But you've got him going to jail because it's either going to be the state of New York is going to put him in jail for the egregious activity, criminal activity at the Trump organization, or the insurrection that took place yesterday that he incited.
Let's just step back for a moment. We had the American president of the United States not accepting a peaceful transfer of power, abusing the vice president, and then calling for his supporters to incite an insurrection and storm the Capitol building. So let's just step back because we've had four years of nonsense from Donald Trump. And we've all tried to normalize it and tried to make sense of it.
And so his egregious frontally assaulting behavior, sometimes, we don't digest it the way we need to. And so he should go to jail. And I predict that he will go to jail for sedition and the causing of this insurrection. And so I understand from my sources inside the White House right now he's contemplating-- he's got 13 or so days left to go, and he's contemplating pardoning himself.
You've got the specter of the 25th Amendment and a possible impeachment. None of those things are going to work procedurally because they're going to run out of time. And now the president's left to pardon himself, and that will now be open to interpretation as to whether or not he can actually pardon himself. So absolutely horrific situation with the United States.
Adam, if he's not a Russian operative, and we don't know if he is or he isn't, you just have to think about this. He's the most useful idiot to the Russian government since its inception. And so what he did yesterday in the spectacle that he provided on the world stage is nothing but wonder and joy for our adversaries.
SEANA SMITH: Hey, Anthony, it's Seana. President Trump, I mean, still has 13 days left in office. What do you think the next two weeks are going to look like? Have we seen the worst of it yet?
ANTHONY SCARAMUCCI: Well, I don't think have, no. And I think anybody that thinks that we've seen the worst of it is not paying close enough attention. He has so much self-loathing, Seana, that he actually enjoys inflicting pain on other people and causing this type of hysteria and pandemonium. And so he's locked out of Twitter, he's locked out of the other social media organizations.
But I predict he will do something more aggressive over the next 13 days. Remember, his number one thing that somehow temporary satiates him is attention. And so he needs more attention. The font size that he got in the "Wall Street Journal" this morning and the "New York Times," perversely, someone like him actually enjoys that.
And so we're left with more pandemonium over the next 13 days. And like a good research analyst on a stock, if you're not paying close enough attention to what's going on and his behavior and his willing acolytes, then you think that what I'm saying is an exaggeration or some type of hyperbole, but it isn't.
ADAM SHAPIRO: You kind of called this back in 2019, that Axios interview where you said he would melt down and have to be removed. But then you get people like Josh Hawley, the senator from Missouri, who you call a traitor, and Ted Cruz. I mean, they're going to fight to keep him in power, aren't they?
ANTHONY SCARAMUCCI: Well, I mean, listen, he's got 13 days left. They'll fight to keep him in power for the 13 days. The Congress sanctified and certified the election last night of Vice President Joe Biden, now President-Elect Joe Biden. So he's going to get inaugurated. But I think those two characters are Frankenstein monster babies, Trump being the Frankenstein monster.
And those two acolytes, who are full-on traitors to the United States, should also be impeached and removed from office. And I would say, in Ted Cruz's case, he's like a total coward. Hawley's like a little bit more cunning than Cruz. But these guys see themselves as the potential champions of Trumpism post-Trump. And they see themselves as smarter and more cunning than Trump.
And when they look in the mirror, guys, they see a future president. And they're thinking of themselves, I can hijack this movement, this perverse White supremacy movement. And maybe I can build in some independence, like tax cuts and right-leaning policies as it relates to business, and I can take the 74 million people that voted for Trump, get it up over 80 and become the president.
And that's it. It's political expediency, it's a disavowal of our Constitution, it's White nationalism. And they're two disgusting people, and they are full-on traitors to the United States. And in Hawley's case, as his hometown paper said last night, he has blood on his hands. Four people died yesterday as a direct result of his actions.
And so I find him to be one of the more despicable people in Washington. And man, and let me tell you something, it's a very high bar because there are many despicable people in Washington.
SEANA SMITH: Well, Anthony, you mentioned the 74 million people Americans that did vote for President Trump two months ago. How, then, do we address the division that we're facing in this country and then potentially bringing-- hopefully bringing the two sides together over the next four years?
ANTHONY SCARAMUCCI: Well, that's the reason why I find Hawley and Cruz so despicable. And so what's necessary right now is reform and healing. What's necessary right now is an intersection of good governmental policy and good economic ideas and a private public partnership with American industry and businesses more broadly to bring back the middle class, to restore economic aspiration in the society, and to put down the nonsense of identity politics.
And so there are certain leaders that are thermostats, where you set the temperature for the room and you guide people to that. And there are other despicable people, like Hawley and Cruz, that are thermometers. They're sensing heat and they're going to gravitate to that heat and reflect it back to the population.
We need people in the country right now that can guide people, give them a perspective of our shared history, give them a perspective that we've often had stress in our system, but we've been able to bind the wounds, healed the system, made the union slightly more perfect, recognizing, because we're all imperfect, that it will always be somewhat imperfect. But it can't be what it is right now.
We can't have this level of division and this level of crisis. And so those guys are despicable. They're fomenting it at a time when we need to pull ourselves together and take a look at ourselves as Americans first and not any of these identities or any of these policies or party politics.
ADAM SHAPIRO: Anthony, you mentioned your sources who you talked to who are still in the White House. And you know this man one on one. What are they telling you about his meltdown right now? And what happens next? Do you know who's going to resign next or who's going to jump ship next?
ANTHONY SCARAMUCCI: So, you know, without getting into too much detail because I don't want to give up my sources, but there's been more than one meeting inside the White House, and I won't mention specific names, that people have been warned about getting too close to Donald Trump right now and about aiding and abetting him. Because he is a rogue criminal, and there are people inside the White House that have said to other people, you've got to be careful because he's not going to end up in jail possibly, although I think he's going to jail. But you might.
You know, think of John Mitchell with Richard Nixon. And so the minute those meetings started happening, Adam, you saw two or three people resign. Obviously, Secretary Chao resigned this morning. Mick Mulvaney resigned this morning. And I think what will happen is you'll see more resignations because people actually love the country, they were trying to serve the country under a mad person.
And they don't feel like going to jail as a result of what this guy would like to do. And, you know, and it was time in the barrel over the last 48 hours, 96 hours for the vice president. He-- you know, and I like Mike. I like Vice President Pence. But I will say this, all of us went into the barrel. Mattis, Kelly, myself, Tom Bossert, you name the person, we all went into the barrel.
And nobody escapes Donald Trump's barrel. And so now Mike's gotten a taste of it right now, Vice President Pence has gotten a taste of it. Apparently doesn't like it very much. You know, and I said in a tweet in August of 2019 that President Trump turned on me after all the work I did for him.
That's fine. But soon, he's going to turn on you. And someday, he's going to turn on the country. I said that in a tweet in August of 2019, and here we are now. And I'm telling you guys, we got 13 days to go. And unless these public officials that have sworn an oath to the Constitution remove him, he's going to do more damage over the next 13 days.
SEANA SMITH: Well, Anthony, he certainly hasn't been shy with what he has been saying about Vice President Mike Pence here the last couple of days. We just got a report here from CNN saying that Pence is going to plan now to attend Biden's inauguration. I'm curious just your reaction to this and the significance of this.
ANTHONY SCARAMUCCI: Well, it's standard operating procedure for a megalomaniac that's loaded up with this type of malignant narcissism. He will turn on his kids too eventually. And so that's the guy. And I think Mike Pence will have to answer for this for the rest of his life the same way I have to answer for my early support of Donald Trump.
Anybody that was part of this thing will have to answer for it. We'll have to explain to themselves and others what happened, frankly. We'll have to apologize for it, like I have done. And we'll have to work as a patriot to put the country back together. But, you know, Vice President Pence should have moved earlier, frankly. This whole thing has been despicable.
ADAM SHAPIRO: Anthony Scaramucci is the founder of SkyBridge Capital. By the way, congratulations on your Bitcoin find, your timing is great.
ANTHONY SCARAMUCCI: We didn't talk about Bit-- Adam, we didn't talk about Bitcoin. But let me tell you something, Morehead knows what he's talking about. And you cannot be a Bitcoin Luddite in the future, Adam, so we're going to have to have a beer together so I can take you through this thing.
ADAM SHAPIRO: I would absolutely take you up on that. Anthony Scaramucci, also former White House communications director, all the best to you.