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Influencers with Andy Serwer: Matthew McConaughey

In this episode of Influencers, Andy is joined by Academy Award winning actor and 'Greenlights' author, Matthew McConaughey, as they discuss mental health, money, and the keys to living a happy and successful life.

Video Transcript

ANDY SERWER: A life in the public eye. We've watched as Hollywood icon Matthew McConaughey performed his great transformation, beating the typecast rom-comer to become an Academy Award winning actor and, now, a best-selling author. But if you ask him, McConaughey prefers to call himself a storyteller, proving it with his new memoir, "Greenlights," in which he lays bare the stories and life lessons that have made him the success he is today. McConaughey's reach goes beyond the silver screen. He's invested in startups and soccer, partnered with Wild Turkey and Ford, and he's even taken on a new role as Minister of Culture for Austin, Texas. In this episode of "Influencers," I'm joined by Matthew McConaughey, as he shares his thoughts on life, money, and how he paved the way for "Greenlights" over the course of his career.

Hello, everyone. Welcome to "Influencers." I'm Andy Serwer, and welcome to our guest, Matthew McConaughey, Oscar award-winning actor and best-selling author of "Greenlights," a really cool new book. Matthew, great to see you.

MATTHEW MCCONAUGHEY: Good to see you, Andy.

ANDY SERWER: So I read the book and loved it. It's just very different, you know? I mean there's a lot of actors who write memoirs and books about themselves. But this was sort of a different way of exploring your own self as a character. And so I'm wondering, you had Matthew McConaughey, iconoclastic character over here, and the traditional book industry over here. Right?


ANDY SERWER: And then the two of them have to come together.


ANDY SERWER: And I wonder what that was like. How much did the book industry change your thinking about how you were going to do the book, and how much did you say, no, I want to do it this way?

MATTHEW MCCONAUGHEY: 100% the second half. I mean, I went in and was very clear with my publishers and editors that, look, this is what I think the book will be. It's not a Hollywood tell-all. I remember I wrote this down on day two when I went away to write. I said, look, I understand that me, as Matthew McConaughey, have some equity with, I write a book, some people are going to go buy it even if what's on the page isn't worth a damn. Some people are not going to buy it, even if the words on the page are great, because it's Matthew McConaughey. I understand the equity that my name brings into it, and the platform that that inherently brings. But I remember writing, the second day, I was like, look, the words on this page need to be worthy to be in a book and be shared if they are signed by anonymous. And, at the same time, be words that only I could've written. So that was the place where I was going, this is not me going and writing a book of me as a celebrity. This is me writing my book-- And there's some celebrity in it, because I am a celebrity. So, I was saying, it was very clear with them that that's what I was out to write, and I was very clear with them what the book was not going to be. Like, this is not a tell-all book.


MATTHEW MCCONAUGHEY: This is not a book of me telling stories out of school that are not my stories to tell. And I'm not going to add anything in there unless I think they can be constructive, for me and, hopefully, others.

ANDY SERWER: So I saw it right here. And I said, well, that's you, right there. And I said, you know, I'm going to pick this thing up and read it. And then I had no idea, "New York Times" best seller. Why do you think this book is resonating with so many people, and why is it so popular?

MATTHEW MCCONAUGHEY: You know, I learned something in the writing of this, and it had to do with the challenge that I was finding of when do I use the first-person I in the storytelling, the second-person you, and the third-person royal we. Well, you've got to watch it with the we's, because you can come across as arrogant, and platitudinal, and, like, who the hell is he, speaking for all of humanity? You've got to watch it with the you's, because then it sounds like the writer's talking at you, or telling you what to do. And it gives a dislocation between me, the writer, and you, the reader. And what I found is that, if I stuck to the I, just go personal, Matthew. Tell the subjective, how you saw it, how you-- It actually became more relatable to the royal we. So the more personal I got, the more relatable to more people it became. And I noticed that in the writing. I was like, oh, if you just stick with the I, and how it feels to you, then it's going to relate to more people. So I think that's what's happening. I think people are reading it. They're somehow seeing themselves, or circumstances in their lives, that are similar to mine. Seeing where, maybe, they reacted and had a perspective that was similar or different. Seeing me word different tools for with which to approach certain situations that I found gave some satisfaction, that maybe they could use in their life. And I think people are finding it just plain, damn funny.

ANDY SERWER: It is. I was telling people, it's kind of like a "True Detective," you know, like that TV show that you were in. A wild ride. Very much so. Hey, so, in the book, Matthew, at one point, when you were taking a break from rom-coms, and you're just saying, I'm going to sacrifice the here and now for a better later, right?


ANDY SERWER: And you said, as Warren Buffett said, and my eyes are like this, because, you know, I'm a business guy. You said, as Warren Buffett says, buying straw hats in the winter. So my question is, how much do you follow Warren Buffett, or know about him? Or do you own Berkshire Hathaway stock?

MATTHEW MCCONAUGHEY: I don't follow it much. I have a money man landlord who follows it. And I think I had read that quote years ago. But I don't follow it. I don't follow it daily. I do follow, sort of, cultural trends, and try to disseminate how much am I, from the subjective POV of what happens as an entertainer, in the culture of entertainment? And, you know, how much does the entertainment and pop culture lead trends? And how much does it just react to trends? And things like that. And I've always been someone who has kept sort of a docket of my own consumer reports about products. And how much do you want a product? How much do you need a product? How much does a product that any of us put out, whether it's ourselves or one we create, invent, or discover, how much are they in demand? And there has to be a certain amount of demand. And what would be in demand in a time like COVID comes along? What's in demand in a time of a drought? What's in demand in a time of great affluence? So those are the trends that I keep my eye on.

ANDY SERWER: Anything catching your eye right now?

MATTHEW MCCONAUGHEY: Well, what we're doing right now is going to remain, to some extent, the new normal. Even if the vaccine, which is coming out soon, so they say, and if that becomes successful and more people get vaccinated, there are millions of people who are going to say, no, thank you. I practiced remotely doing business and having interactions this way. I prefer it. So how does this experience become more exclusive? More intimate? More customized? Because, in many ways, I myself prefer this. Not with everybody. But, in many ways, I have. And then I have to look at my productivity, which I know many companies have looked at their productivity. And, in some of the companies, the productivity has gone up, to see how adaptable their employees can be. So, you know, but then I have to look across even my industry of acting. What's the future of theaters? What's the future of all of these communal events? What's the future of my home city of Austin, which is a big hospitality town? Which means you've got to do it hand to hand. And then, you know, there's a version that I see of the world turning into of go live wherever you want on the planet. As long as you've got 5G, you can be anywhere. We'll see how much that's the new normal. How much now is the future.

ANDY SERWER: Have you talked to people in Hollywood much about how things are going to go from here? Maybe starting up production, or anything like that?

MATTHEW MCCONAUGHEY: I haven't really. Most my friends are still working, and they're telling me that it's going safely, and then there's all the rules and regulations of how they do it. I've been more conservative with our quarantine. I've got my 88-year-old mother with us. I've got my family, three children and my wife. And I'm also in a privileged position, to where I've saved my money where I don't have to work today to pay my rent tomorrow. So I'm in a privileged position to say I'm going to be more conservative with my quarantine. But I've also noticed that I've been quite productive through this. I've employed my children now to be part of my production team when we're shooting photo shoots and shooting ads. And they're starting to get adept with cameras, and editing, et cetera. So who knows? I may come out of this in a couple of years and go, I'm a one-stop shop. I've got McConaughey kids, my production team. What do you want done? We'll shoot it. We'll make it.

ANDY SERWER: McConaughey family productions.


ANDY SERWER: Yeah. Yeah. Hey, so getting back to the book, there was a moment in there where you talked about one of your films that has a strong business slant. And you had a part in that which really resonated with people as well, which is "The Wolf of Wall Street."


ANDY SERWER: And I'm wondering, you know, did that change your thinking about Wall Street? Or did you research the financial services business when you were doing that part? I mean, that was pretty epic, when you just came in and did that soliloquy, right?

MATTHEW MCCONAUGHEY: Well, that character's soliloquy was awesome. I mean, you know, I try to find what's called a launchpad line with every character. Meaning it's a line that you read and you go, oh. If that character means this, then there's an encyclopedia I could write, and I'll make a whole rap on that character. Meaning, like, in "Dazed and Confused," there was a character, Wooderson, I played, where he's hanging out in the pool yard and checking out that high school girls going by. And his buddy says, you've got to cut that out, Wooderson, you're going to end up in jail. And Wooderson goes, no, man, that's what I love about those high school girls, man. I get older and they stay the same age. Well, I remember reading that line and going, well, who the heck is that? There's a book on that guy. If that guy believes that, if he's not saying that as an attitude, or to be cool or anything, if he believes that, there's a book on a person who goes through life believing that. Well, with "The Wolf of Wall Street," I remember reading this line where he's telling the Belfort character, that Leonardo played, the secret to this business is cocaine and hookers. And I went--


I went, who is that? I go, well, if this person really believes that, well, there was a rap. So I just started writing and interviewing different brokers about how it was then. And how, you know, you sort of create a mirage and you just kind of keep it going. And I wrote a lot of that rap. And, luckily, you know I pitched it Scorsese. He was all for it. And went and just laid it down in that scene. It was a wonderful, classic scene, and so much fun to do.

ANDY SERWER: Yeah. It was an awesome part of an awesome movie, too.


ANDY SERWER: Let's switch gears a little bit, Matthew, and I want to talk to you about some brand stuff. Because that's interesting, and it seems to sort of fit with the road that you take, which is sticking to who you are. And, you know, the Lincoln commercials, and your brand ambassadorship with Lincoln, part of Ford, of course, has been very high profile. It's been, you know, Ellen's done it. Jim Carrey. "South Park." I mean, it's been all over the place. But it seems to have really worked. And you seem really comfortable in those commercials. And I think Lincoln's comfortable with you. Is that the case?

MATTHEW MCCONAUGHEY: We're selling cars. We're selling automobiles. We're selling SUVs. Indeed. I mean, look, Lincoln and I, and the Ford company, have had a great relationship since the beginning. Hudson Rouge, the ad agency, we're still working with the same people there, John Pearce over there. So, myself, Lincoln, Ford, and the ad company, were all very aligned in what we wanted to do. And so we came out with the first ads, and I was coming off of "True Detective." And so I riffed on a bunch of those things that I say in the car. And those got parodied, "Saturday Night Live" and Ellen. And that's like, OK, great. And some of the parodies were actually very good. Some were better than others. But I don't mind an impersonation of me. Just be really good at it. And some of them did some damn good work. Well, that sort of got attention and eyeballs on it. And we said early on, look, there's so many loud commercials out there. All the ads are, like, who can turn up the volume the most? Well, what if we make such an intentional and deliberate commercial, that's so quiet that it actually cuts through the noise? And I saw it happen. I was in sports bars on Sunday afternoons, with loud males and females screaming over the game. And then the ad would come on, and they'd go-- And their head would turn to the TV to see the ad. So it worked. And we've maintained a very consistent tone. What we've gotten to is where you want to get to, I believe, is where I've become synonymous with Lincoln and Lincoln has become synonymous with me. So we're feeding each other. And we continue. We just made some ads here recently that we're putting out. And the SUVs that are coming out of there are doing well. And it's helped some sales. And they've got a really good product. I'm especially, particularly, fond of that Navigator that I've had, which is a really, really, really good product.

ANDY SERWER: Was there any connection to "Lincoln Lawyer?" Or just a coincidence?

MATTHEW MCCONAUGHEY: Not really. Just, really, a coincidence. I mean, there was a connection. I had driven a Lincoln before, and had one, and owned one, and drove one in my own life. But that was really just a coincidental callback, that I had done "Lincoln Lawyer" as well.

ANDY SERWER: Another brand you work with, which has a long, cool commercial. I mean, it's more than a commercial. It's one of these films, mini-films, is Wild Turkey. Which I happen to be a huge fan of. I drive Fords, too, by the way. But I really like Wild Turkey. I have for a very long time. So I watch that with particular interest.


ANDY SERWER: But it was very candid, also. You say, hey, they wanted me to come down and do this. I wanted to do more than just go, hey, buy Wild Turkey, right?

MATTHEW MCCONAUGHEY: Well, once again, I mean, look. For me, it was cool that these were two American companies. You know, Ford Lincoln, American company. Bourbon, in general, is actually an American invention. Then I go to meet the Russell family. You know, I'm at a time in my life where I want to be in business with people that I believe in what they do. Not that they're perfect. But I believe in what they do, that we're both authentic in what we do and why we do it. The Wild Turkey came along after I got to know the Russell family. And they're three generations, and how they haven't changed, when they could have changed to maybe be more popular. But they were set in their ways, and they knew they had a damn good, solid bourbon in 101. And that that, though it may have its fads and be more popular at other times than not, that they were going to stick to it, because that was a quintessential, great bourbon. And after the world and America went through the white spirits time, and wanted to go through bourbon lights, and then came out going, I really want a great, solid bourbon. The Russell family and Campari had plenty of 101 bottles to go, well, here you go. This is exactly what you're looking for. And consumers went, yes, that is what we're looking for. At the same time, I didn't want to be just a face. I talked with them and shared stories. So I became the creative director with them, helping with the ad campaign. Who's our audience we have that we want to keep? Who's the new generation that we have to introduce Wild Turkey to? And then I also co-created my own bourbon, Longbranch, with Eddie Russell. Which was always a dream of mine, to have my own favorite bourbon on the planet, which is what we have in that bottle.

ANDY SERWER: That's a good thing. Hey, let me ask you about some of your investments. And I want to start off with Austin FC, your soccer team. How's that going? And are you guys on track to actually play next year?

MATTHEW MCCONAUGHEY: We are on track, and it's going really well. You know, soccer, the game of soccer, the international sport of soccer, I'm betting on that, too. I really think that's a real riser as a game in our future. We have the World Cup coming in a few years. So we're going to be the front porch for the international game of football, right here in North America. Austin, a perfect city for the international game of soccer. A town that's never had a pro team. A town that's only team in town is the University of Texas Longhorns. And now, where Austin used to be a college town, a government town, and a music town, well, it's now a banker town, a dot-com town, lawyer town, and an international destination. There are millions of people in Austin that didn't go to UT. It's a very diverse community, for the most diverse game in the world, soccer. The greatest invitation in the world, as I call it, the soccer ball. We now have soccer coming to Austin. Now what we're looking forward to do is how are we going to bring Austin to soccer?

ANDY SERWER: Yeah. That's going to be fun to watch.

MATTHEW MCCONAUGHEY: And shaping the experience in our backyard, at our stadium. Which, you know, the grass got put in last week on the pitch. And something about just seeing real grass being put in that stadium made it all feel a whole lot more real. And, yes, as of right now, we are still on track to kick off next season.

ANDY SERWER: You've seen that show "Ted Lasso?" You could get him to be your coach.

MATTHEW MCCONAUGHEY: I've seen the ads. I haven't the show.

ANDY SERWER: Check it out. It's funny. Speaking of sports, Matthew, you also have a stake in "The Athletic," I believe, which is a digital sports media business. Media business can be kind of tough. How's that going? Did you invest in that with Peter Thiel? Did you get a chance to meet with him? How's that going?

MATTHEW MCCONAUGHEY: Yes. It's going well. And I did invest in it. And, look, I like sports enough to really appreciate an A-plus perspective on sports. I don't mind the B-minus, sort of the everyman, the sort of half-sports fan knowledge. But I like A-plus sports knowledge. But I don't really like it all in straight metrics. I like a good story told. And they have really great writers over there. And I'm a storyteller. They tell a good story. They're not out to get the athlete. They're in to talk about the story, and the athletics, and all the different mechanisms that go into sports, from the business side, to the personal side, to the players' rights side, to the love of the game. They cover all of those. And so, once again, this was another product that I go, I partake of this product. I drive a Lincoln. I drink Wild Turkey. I like soccer. I like great sportswriting. Oh, I'd love to-- It's more authentic if I can get into something that, on my proverbial Monday morning desk, when I have work to do or to go over something, I look forward to that work. So all of these entities you're talking about and my investments are things that I look forward to dealing with on my proverbial Monday morning at my office desk.

ANDY SERWER: Did you get a chance to meet with Peter Thiel and talk to him about it? I mentioned him.

MATTHEW MCCONAUGHEY: Yes. And when did we talk? We hadn't talked in person. Because this all happened, I believe, since COVID.

ANDY SERWER: Yeah. That's what I read, right? So you guys chatted about it a little bit?

MATTHEW MCCONAUGHEY: Yeah. About the things I just told you.



ANDY SERWER: The last investment I want to ask you about, that I know about, is something that really interested me, this Forward company, which is a high-tech, membership-only health facility. And, of course, everyone says, wow, it's just like "Dallas Buyers Club," because it's a monthly membership. But it is a monthly membership. And, again, I guess that's just a coincidence too. I mean, is there any connection between that?

MATTHEW MCCONAUGHEY: No, there's no real connection between that. That was brought to me as an opportunity from a friend of mine who's an investment, Guy Oseary. And the concept of-- And this was years ago, I invested in this. That people would be able to, sort of, self-maintain their health and communicate with their doctor remotely. It was something where I was like, that sounds evolutionary. That sounds like that could be more than a convenience. That could be a need. That could be more than just a luxury. That could be something that could be good for a lot of people who are not as privileged as others, to have that capacity, an immediate response with their doctor through a remote device. So that just sounded to me as a really good idea for the future.

ANDY SERWER: And my understanding is you've got other investors, like Ashton Kutcher, Bono, and The Edge. Have you met with them and talked to them about it at all?

MATTHEW MCCONAUGHEY: No. No. I haven't talked to them really about it. Just mainly Guy and Ashton.

ANDY SERWER: OK. Yeah, I think the CEO and founder was a guy who was running artificial intelligence at Google. Sounds like kind of a brainiac.


ANDY SERWER: Yeah, right?


ANDY SERWER: Impressive sounding guy. Any other investments that I'm missing here that you want to share with us?

MATTHEW MCCONAUGHEY: The only other investment is a category that I'm creating now, which is Minister of Culture role.

ANDY SERWER: Right. Talk about that.

MATTHEW MCCONAUGHEY: I'm working with the University of Texas at Austin and in the city of Austin. I'm working on a shared and competent values campaign that will sell a city to itself. The best assets of the city. In my particular case, the Petri dish will be Austin. Sell Austin to Austinites. Let newcomers know. You know, educate them and initiate them to who we are and who we're not. I think values are what need to be shared right now, not only across cities and universities, but also across businesses. We're, you know, taking the B Corp model of purpose, and people, and profit. That there's a tithe to pay for a great city that we live in like Austin. And we need to be giving back to it, because we want to preserve what we love about it so much. And I also believe values are what's going to bind the social contracts between people again. Especially now, at a time of such great distrust that we have in each other. Where we don't know what our leaders are about. We don't know who to believe in. We've got to bind the social contracts with each other again. And we can do that, personally, across cities, across institutions, and across businesses.

ANDY SERWER: Yeah. Amen to that. I mean, I was going to ask, and I'll follow up a little bit. I mean, if you think about Austin, and, say, Armadillo World Headquarters, right? And going back to those days, where, famously, you know, the hippies would sit with the cowboys. That was sort of the whole part of that cultural thing going on there. And we really lost that in this country. And, you know, you're someone who I see can really bridge that divide. But I want to ask you, you know, a lot of people point fingers at income and wealth inequality, number one. And then, number two, social media.


ANDY SERWER: And I'm wondering what your thoughts are on both of those, Matthew.

MATTHEW MCCONAUGHEY: Well, so the first one, your question is my thoughts on income and--

ANDY SERWER: Wealth inequality. The wealth gaps in this country.

MATTHEW MCCONAUGHEY: Yeah. Well, you know, it sure seems like, a lot of times, when we break down the differences between us, by our sex, or color of skin, or what have you, boy, the real place that everything sort of finds its waterline is in our socioeconomic level. You know, especially in America, the capitalist society. Money's still king, you know? You need it to get what you want. It's what America tells our children and ourselves what to be successful is. Money and fame. I think, you know, we need to not necessarily have those always at the top. And, also, I think, what I mean by that is I'm all for making money. I have good money. I'm all for fame. I'm happy to be famous. But I'm inspired by looking at people like a John Mackey with Wholes Foods, or a Marc Benioff with Salesforce, that go, hey, I have an idea that's really good to do even if it was for nonprofit. But let's make profit off of it. So what are those things that we can ask ourselves, hey, no, I want to sell this? I want to make this. I want to make money off this. I want to get rich off this. And how can it also be, can we parlay that to be in something like, oh, and it's good for the most amount of people? Those two are interchangeable. And they don't have to be a contradiction. And I hope that more of us invest in those kind of things. Because you can make a really good living, a for profit living, with a nonprofit idea. And your second question was social media?

ANDY SERWER: Social media. Yeah. What's your take on that these days?

MATTHEW MCCONAUGHEY: I think it's a great tool. And, look, I just got on Instagram, I think, a year ago. My communication, and that platform for me to share parts of myself out with, have already been good for me, valuably, because I have a direct line of communication. And it's not through someone else's filter. It's a direct line. At the same time, it's been good for my business, you know? People check now. I didn't know this until I got on IG. Before you do certain jobs, they go, let me check how many followers you have. Those followers matter, even for business. For advertisers and things like that. What the scary part is, that we have to really watch, is, for the first time in our lives, we, especially children and millennials, are getting their entire sense of self based on something they put. A picture, a phrase, something that they, poof, send out to the world. And they anxiously wait to see what all these strangers are going to say about it. And if the thumbs come back up, I'm going to have a great day. Look at me. I'm popular. If the thumbs come back down, I drop into a depression. Well, that's not healthy. And where does the responsibility lie? I mean, one, it lies with us parents of our children. Say, hey, make sure you're not getting your sense of wealth, and identity, and significance based on just approval or disapproval of the rest of the world. Because understand that there's a lot of folks out there, that are putting the thumb down or writing something negative, and they didn't even read or look at what you wrote. All right? So, again, where are we allotting value, and where are we allotting what our kids? I always say this. Kiddos, millennials, all of us, that thing you type in there, that comment, what you say, it's going to outlive you. It's going to outlive all of us. So think about it before you press send, and before you write it. And, also, this. It's short money, short money, to think that to put you down raises me up. It doesn't.

ANDY SERWER: So do you think we can come together as a country again, Matthew?

MATTHEW MCCONAUGHEY: I know we can. But here's what I think we have to also watch. We're not going to become a kumbaya. There's not going to be perfect justice across society. We're not going to have a utopia. And I think that it's irrational to think that we are. I think it's actually arrogant, sometimes, to think that this species-- And we could go into the denominations, who voted what and where. We are evolving. But we're never going to be our best. We're not going to get there. And I think that's the point. If we could just do a little bit better, have a small ascension to the quality of our lives, and who we are, and how we treat ourselves and others in it, then there's a small ascension in our life, and in society, and in America. America is an aspiration. Constantly chasing, yet. But we've got to realize, we ain't ever going to get to yet. But that's the point. Trying to get a little bit better is as good as it gets. So join the party in trying to be a little bit better and chasing yet.

ANDY SERWER: The last question, and the only place to go from there, has got to be UT football. And I'm just wondering, you know, is that back? Are you on board? How's the team looking? The schedule. All that.

MATTHEW MCCONAUGHEY: Well, I'm on board. I'm always on board. No matter what state we're in, or what our record is, I'm on board. You know? I'm not a coattail chaser, by any means. I'm a Longhorn fan. No matter if we just got beat 46 to 3, there we go, by UCLA 10 years ago, or whether we just won the Big 12 or the National Championship. So I'm on board. Are where we want to be? Not yet. But we're on our way. You come to UT, you are expected to compete for national championships in that sport, especially football, which is our front porch. We're not doing that right now. I do believe we're on our way, yes. We have some great athletes. You know, you've got this, you know, new challenge today with one of the things we were just talking about, social media. And the 18 to 22-year-old student playing in the proverbial third person, you know, running down the sideline, looking at the jumbotron, how do I look? Well, we do that. You know, taking the selfie while you're still on the 50, running for the touchdown. Because, immediately, you're getting a response on your game and you're finding out how people feel about it. And you're getting objective of your situation. Hopping out of yourself, looked at yourself. Texas football is really going to help us get to the heights we need to, in this time, to forget about that. We have that spotlight on us. We'll find that out. Again, I said this the other day in an interview, play every single play, every single quarter, every half, every game. And, when the fourth quarter is over, be running down to the other end, ready for the fifth quarter because you think it's the fourth, and have the coaches tell you, no, no, no. Game's over. We won. And if you do that, if you're almost that unconscious that the game's even over, if you have your proverbial goal line so far ahead of you, your finish line, you're usually going to look up on the scoreboard and see you win. So it's play more in the first person, be more present, understand that there's no auditions when you come to University of Texas. It's on. It's live. Step up. Let's roll.

ANDY SERWER: All right. We're going to leave it there. Matthew McConaughey, actor and author of "Greenlights." Thank you so much for joining us.

MATTHEW MCCONAUGHEY: I enjoyed that very much.

ANDY SERWER: You've been watching "Influencers." I'm Andy Serwer. We'll see you next time.