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Brookdale Senior Living Inc (BKD) Q2 2019 Earnings Call Transcript

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Brookdale Senior Living Inc (NYSE: BKD)
Q2 2019 Earnings Call
Aug 6, 2019, 9:00 a.m. ET

Contents:

  • Prepared Remarks
  • Questions and Answers
  • Call Participants

Prepared Remarks:

Operator

Good day. My name is Jay and I'll be your conference operator for today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Brookdale Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Thank you.

It is now my pleasure to turn today's program over to Ms. Kathy MacDonald. The floor is yours.

Kathy MacDonald -- Senior Vice President, Investor Relations

Thank you and good morning, everyone. I'd like to welcome you to the second quarter 2019 earnings call for Brookdale Senior Living. Joining us today are Cindy Baier, our President and Chief Executive Officer; and Steve Swain, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. All statements today, which are not historical facts may be deemed to be forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Federal Securities laws. These statements are made as of today's date and we expressly disclaim any obligation to update these statements in the future. Actual results and performance may differ materially from forward-looking statements. Certain of these factors that could cause actual results to differ are detailed in the earnings release we issued yesterday, as well as in the reports we filed with the SEC from time to time, including the risk factors contained in our annual report on form 10-K and quarterly reports on form 10-Q. I direct you to the release for the full Safe Harbor statement.

Also, please note that during this call we will present non-GAAP financial measures. For reconciliations of each non-GAAP measure from the most comparable GAAP measure, I direct you to the release and supplemental information which may be found at brookdale.com/investor, and was furnished on an 8-K yesterday.

With that, I would like to turn the call over to Cindy.

Lucinda Baier -- President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

Thank you, Kathy. Good morning to all of our shareholders, analysts and other participants. This morning, I'll provide an update on our strategy, the industry outlook and our second [Phonetic]. I'll start with our strategy. Our second quarter results continue to demonstrate that our turnaround strategy is working. We are laser-focused on improving our top line growth. Revenue grew for all three of our senior housing segments on a same store basis and also for our healthcare services. We accomplished this by making significant strides on our operational leading indicators. Same community move-in showed positive year-over-year growth for the first time since third quarter of 2017. In addition, our same community occupancy grew in May seasonally one to two months earlier than in the past several years and continue to trend upward in June and July, setting us up for expected sequential occupancy growth in the third quarter.

At Brookdale, there is simply no substitute for great people who genuinely care, do the right thing and serve our residents and patients with high quality care. Our associates do extraordinary things every single day. That is why the foundation of our strategy is to win locally, which relies on having a talented team of associates dedicated to providing high quality care and services to our residents and patients. We're pleased that we continue to see positive associate metrics showing our strategy is working as we focus first on retaining our high quality group of associates.

Trailing 12 month retention rates have remained around 70% for eight consecutive quarters for our Executive Directors, who are the CEOs of our local communities and for our health and wellness directors who lead our clinical efforts and oversee all aspects of our residents care. Also the retention rate for sales professionals improved for the second sequential quarter. Retention of our sales professionals is central to continuing the positive sales cycle momentum we are now experiencing. Year-to-date over 2,100 former associates have returned to work at Brookdale highlighting a reputation within the industry as an organization that empowers its community leaders to implement a personalized win locally culture. It also speaks to what a great place Brookdale is for associates.

To that end our total associate turnover has improved 5% in the second quarter 2019 compared to a year ago. We view this very positively given the current tight labor market. The organization's leaders at all levels are focused on associate engagement, development, retention, and hiring ahead, and these associate-focused initiatives are clearly taking hold. Not only do our leaders and associates feel the momentum of positive change within Brookdale validated by our retention and rehire rates but our residents also have recognized the improvements we've made. The changes we've made have not happened overnight but rather they have been the result of a clear focus on operations and understanding our resident's needs on a deeper level. As such one of our top priorities has been to take actions that enhance the resident and family experience.

To do so in the most transparent fashion we measure our success at enhancing our customer experience through the net promoter score or NPS, an objective scoring system. With over 50,000 surveys completed this year by residents and their families our NPS has increased over 20% since our last survey. These efforts across the business have resulted in significantly less same community controller move outs over the past two years and have had a direct positive impact on occupancy. We recognize in this business that resident and family experience is everything and while we're pleased with our progress to date we will remain focused on continuing to drive incremental and long-term improvement.

Next I'll provide the industry backdrop and summarize Brookdale's financial results. While headwinds remain in the senior housing industry with elevated openings and occupancy pressure, the construction pipeline and starts continue to shrink. NIC continues to show a supply demand equilibrium in late 2019. Even with the recent new supply coming into the market, industry supply and demand appear to stay balanced for the rest of 2019 into 2020. According to NIC, second quarter occupancy for the industry dropped 30 basis points on a sequential basis and assisted living occupancy declined 40 basis points. For Brookdale on a same community basis Independent Living occupancy remained around 90% for the fourth consecutive quarter. On a year-over-year basis occupancy grew 50 basis points for the second quarter and 100 basis points year-to-date.

Assisted living occupancy declined 10 basis points on a sequential basis yet outperformed the industry. With our assisted living segment being proportionately larger than NIC we are excited to be close to turning occupancy positive. Senior housing occupancy declined 40 basis points sequentially just slightly more than the industry. Lastly we grew our move-in rate higher and welcomed more new residents into our communities than the industry. For the second quarter our same community RevPAR increased 3.3% on a year-over-year basis. Driving rate is a key part of our strategy. To wrap up on senior housing revenue same community RevPAR improved 1.9% on a year-over-year basis and every product line delivered revenue growth. I'm pleased that we're improving execution and demonstrating success against our strategic plan.

Turning to our healthcare services segment, in the second quarter our revenue improved 4.2% on a year-over-year basis and 2.6% on a sequential basis. In addition the segment operating margin improved for the second consecutive quarter. The team under new leadership is developing a plan to continue improving our financial results by focusing on patient care excellence, accountability, recruiting high quality leaders, and expanding our services. As announced in July we are pleased that the second new hospice agency we opened this year is fully operational and we look forward to announcing another agency opening later this year. This quarter we had wins in associate retention, market improvement and resident satisfaction, positive move-in growth and healthcare services revenue and margin growth. The efforts of over 60,000 associates are paying off.

As you know we've recently welcomed several passionate, dedicated leaders with industry expertise and proven operational track records to our leadership team. Diane Johnson May, our Head of Human Resources; Rick Wigginton, our Head of Sales; and Anna-Gene O'Neal, our Head of Hospice Business are off to a great start and are ready to take us to even a higher level of performance. And speaking of Anna-Gene soon after she joined Brookdale as our Hospice Leader she agreed to lead our entire healthcare services group on an interim basis and now reports directly to me.

Today approximately 40% of my direct reports are women and as you know half of our Board Members are women. Gender diversity in leadership is important in any industry, but it's even more critical in healthcare. Approximately 65% of care recipients are female, 75% of caregivers are female, and 80% of healthcare decisions are made by women. Today our leadership better reflects our mix of associates, residents, patients, and their families and we will strive to continue to improve the overall diversity of the entire Brookdale team. Today I'm excited to announce another new member of our C suite, Chris Bayham joined Brookdale as our Chief Information Officer reporting to Steve Swain. Chris has over 20 years of experience in IT leadership specializing in the healthcare industry. He will lead our great IT organization which has continued to drive innovation such as the implementation of our proprietary sales and marketing system, electronic residency agreements, and improvements in services provided to residents. We are pleased that our third party monitors scored our programs in the top 10% of the healthcare and wellness industry. We believe strongly in the foundation of our culture and are optimistic that we will continue to attract top talent to Brookdale in the months and years ahead.

As I wrap up my comments about the second quarter results I'd like to emphasize that not only are we a leading senior living and healthcare operator, but an integral and value generating component of our business is the autonomy and ownership we have over our real estate assets. In regard to our real estate strategy, since the first quarter of 2018 our total net proceeds from community sales is over 230 million bringing us closer to our goal. We have intentionally built a diversified portfolio that has tremendous opportunity and operating leverage. We are well positioned to benefit from the positive demographic trends ahead especially with the dramatically increasing number of seniors who need our services every day to live the best life possible.

In fact the oldest baby boomers are within a couple of years of the typical age when seniors consider improving their lives through senior housing. This is important because over 30% of our move-ins occur at age 80 or younger. Equally important the silver wave is quickly approaching with baby boomers aging into senior housing which will accelerate for the foreseeable future. We are delivering on our commitment to turnaround Brookdale so that we can deliver an attractive return to our shareholders and we reiterate our 2019 annual guidance.

I'll turn the call over to Steve.

Steven E. Swain -- Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Thanks, Cindy. We are pleased to show continued progress on our strategy to win locally. Highlights of the second quarter were same community senior housing revenue growth was 1.9% year-over-year with continued strong RevPAR growth of 3.3%. The same community occupancy change from the first quarter to the second quarter was better in 2019 than last year and this year occupancy growth turned positive in May, a month earlier than 2018 and two months earlier than 2017. Health care services revenue growth was 4% year-over-year. This marks a second consecutive quarter of improved revenue and operating income for this segment. Consistent with our increased investment plan capex ramped up in the second quarter. This investment will better attract and retain residents and will protect the long-term value of our portfolio. Also we continued to opportunistically repurchase shares. Under the program we purchased 1.3 million shares at an average price of $6.38 in the second quarter.

For a more detailed review of the quarter let me start with real estate initiatives. Since first announced in February of last year a strategy of enhancing our real estate portfolio has remained a key priority for Brookdale. We identified assets to monetize in order to focus on and invest in the communities where we see the highest future growth potential. To that end we again made significant progress successfully transitioning 35 communities to new owners or operators in the second quarter. We transitioned 26 managed communities to new operators for our year-to-date total of 67, most of which were managed under interim arrangements. We expect additional managed communities to be transitioned in the back half of the year.

In the quarter, Ventas sold five of the approximately 20 leased communities that are being marketed. The communities are removed from the master lease as they are sold. Over the next 12 months the benefit of these asset removals is expected to have a slightly positive impact on adjusted EBITDA and adjusted free cash flow. Estimated divestiture timing was previously included in annual guidance so there is no change. We also transitioned two leased communities and completed the sale of two owned communities. From the end of the first quarter 2018, total net proceeds from community sales has been over $230 million as we approach our net proceeds target. While real estate discussions center around divestitures we recently celebrated two openings; first, a newly constructed assisted living and memory care building in our Williamsburg, Virginia campus and second, a new dementia care campus at Brookdale Skyline in Colorado. Brookdale's Clare Bridge Crossings model is designed specifically for individuals with early stage Alzheimer's disease and other dementias and provides programs and services in a comfortable homelike setting.

To provide context to the 2019 year-over-year financial results since the beginning of the second quarter 2018, 124 communities were transitioned through asset sales and lease terminations. These negatively impacted revenue by $117 million and adjusted EBITDA by 21 million but positively impacted adjusted free cash flow by $4 million. I will focus my comments on the quarter same community results which excludes the impact of both transactions and the 2019 lease accounting change.

Starting with senior housing, as mentioned the same community revenue grew 1.9% compared to the prior year quarter. Rate increases more than offset lower occupancy. RevPAR increased to 3.3% on a year-over-year basis. As you look at the segments we are pleased that same community independent living occupancy remains strong at around 90% for the fourth consecutive quarter and increased to 50 basis points when compared to the prior year quarter. We stemmed the sequential decline in assisted living and memory care occupancy to a reduction of only 10 basis points outperforming NIC in this regard. For all three senior housing segments revenue increased on a year-over-year basis by driving rate which is a key part of our strategy. Importantly same community move-ins showed positive growth for the first time since Q3 2017. We are pleased that we've been able to maintain rate discipline while also driving move-ins and we've seen significantly less controllable move outs since we began our operational turnaround.

While leads in first visits were lower this quarter, we are seeing improvement in conversion rates and believe the positive sales associate retention trends will also improved conversion rates in the future. In the second quarter we ran several pilots to accelerate improvements in the sales cycle. A couple of examples follow. We identified about 30 high potential communities where local leaders were assisted by a focused executive team with a mission to break down all barriers that impeded success. We have already seen very good occupancy progress and we'll expand the pilot to approximately 20 more communities soon. For another project we utilized data analytics to a target digital marketing investments in select cities. Based on the positive uptake and move-ins we will extend this success by continuing our digital marketing investments in the third quarter.

Turning to same community operating expenses, compensation related expense increased 5.2% compared to the second quarter of 2018 and was within annual guidance of a 5% to 5.5% increase over 2018. Other facility operating expense increased 6.3% compared to the second quarter of 2018. The increase was primarily due to strategic investments to drive more move-ins including increased internally driven marketing along with property, remediation and higher insurance premiums.

Moving to our healthcare services segment, revenue in the second quarter improved 4.2% on a year-over-year basis and 2.6% sequentially. On a year-over-year basis home health revenue was driven by a nearly 5% increase in average daily census but was partially offset by changes in case mix and the impact of community dispositions. The hospice business posted double-digit increases for both revenue and average daily census year-over-year. We hit an average daily census milestone of 1500 for the second quarter and we continued to grow rapidly with July exceeding 1600.

Health care services operating margin improved sequentially from 7.3% to 8%. Positive financial trends are expected to build through the balance of 2019 and we continue to expect annual healthcare services revenue to be between $450 million and $475 million. We reported second quarter 2019 adjusted EBITDA of $104 million compared to $147 million for the prior year quarter. The primary driver of the lower adjusted EBITDA was a result of two non-core items, a $24 million decline related to transactions and a $7 million impact from the new lease accounting standard. The other main driver was higher labor investments as I noted earlier.

Adjusted free cash flow was negative $16 million for the second quarter 2019. When compared to the prior year quarter adjusted free cash flow decreased by $50 million. The key variances were lower adjusted EBITDA primarily driven by non-core items, changes in working capital primarily due to an increase in insurance claims in the quarter. On a sequential basis however, working capital turned positive from the first quarter. And an increase in non-development capex which is consistent with our investment plan. We are making positive progress on deploying capex into our communities with over 500 projects started this year. Partially offsetting the prior drivers was a reduction in the financing lease payments due to disposition activity.

For the second quarter 2019 our proportionate share of unconsolidated ventures delivered $11 million of adjusted EBITDA and $7 million of adjusted free cash flow. The year-over-year decrease was primarily due to the sale of our equity interest in ventures last year. Our balance sheet remains in a strong position to provide sufficient flexibility as we continue to effectively implement the operational turnaround of the business.

We are reiterating our 2019 guidance with occupancy growth turning positive in May the second quarter is a good representation of the remaining six months consolidated business adjusted for the following considerations. There will be continued wage pressure as we fill more open positions. With the success of our data driven marketing pilot we will increase digital investments. Utilities are seasonally higher in the third quarter and lastly G&A the full quarter impact of higher merit will also occur in the third quarter.

To wrap up beyond the positive key metrics of retention and move-ins that shareholders see I want to share a couple observations, over the past few months there has been a notable transformation inside Brookdale from delivering more wins. The win locally attitude is taking hold in our company culture and momentum is tangible. Based on the early positive turn in occupancy and with increasing demand, moderating supply, and strong execution we are at the beginning of our powerful operating leverage cycle.

I'll now turn the call back over to Cindy.

Lucinda Baier -- President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

I'm very grateful all of our residents and associates are safe after the California earthquakes and Hurricane Barry. I'm very proud of our emergency response team seamlessly moving into action to prepare for various natural disaster scenarios and our community associates for the amazing work they do to put our residents first sometimes even before their own families. Our team does extraordinary work to enhance the lives of our residents and patients even on ordinary days. I'd like to close by saying that I strongly believe in Brookdale's growth opportunity. The quarter is continuing evidence that we are building positive momentum and we are making progress on our strategy to turnaround Brookdale. We are improving our operations in advance of the approaching demographic tailwind and I'm confident that we will provide Brookdale shareholders with long-term value.

Before we take your questions I want to touch on the recent public letters from one of our shareholders Land & Buildings that you might have seen. I'd like to reiterate that at Brookdale we are always open to constructive feedback from all of our shareholders and appreciate engaging in a dialogue toward a common goal of value creation. Earlier this year the Investment Committee of the Board made up of three independent directors one of whom was appointed as part of a prior agreement with Land & Buildings carefully evaluated Land & Buildings ideas with the assistance of BoA Merrill Lynch which was the independent advisory firm suggested by Land & Buildings. Based on that review and as discussed in our February 2019 earnings call, we determined at the unanimous recommendation of the investment committee after consultation with BoA Merrill Lynch not to proceed with actions advocated by Land & Buildings as they would be unlikely to generate additional shareholder value.

More recently the Board asked BoA Merrill Lynch to assist with the Board's further evaluation of Land & Buildings proposal and also asked a second independent financial advisor Morgan Stanley to evaluate a range of potential PropCo OpCo structures. Following that review and discussions with each of the advisors the Board concluded that pursuing a PropCo OpCo transaction would be imprudent at this time and that there were fundamental flaws in Green Street Advisors theoretical assessment of a PropCo OpCo structure. Those flaws include disregard of numerous critical, practical and market considerations and execution risk and the use of unrealistic assumptions.

There is no question that we have tremendous value in our own real estate portfolio. At this time we believe there is sizable upside to the portfolio by maximizing net operating income and with our operational turnaround and increased capital investments we are making strides to realize that value. We don't intend to say anything more on this matter today as the purpose of this call is to discuss our strong results and the progress we are demonstrating with our turnaround plan. To that end as we move into Q&A Steve and I would be happy to answer any questions you might have on our second quarter results and the ongoing actions we are taking to execute this comprehensive turnaround to the benefit of Brookdale shareholders.

Operator, please open the line for questions.

Questions and Answers:

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line Josh Raskin of Nephron Research. Sir, your line is open.

Josh Raskin -- Nephron Research -- Analyst

Good morning, everyone. First question just around lead generation and the first business and don't want to pick on the two metrics out of everything that looks good, don't want to pick on the two that didn't look as good. But is there some sort of -- it's not necessarily seasonality but was there sort of a tougher comp from the first half of last year, is there something that sort of read into that and maybe you can give us a little bit more color on why that was? And then how did that link directly to occupancy in terms of future periods, what have you seen in the past, I mean obviously I understand the correlation, but I'm curious if that's been a good leading indicator around occupancy for you.

Lucinda Baier -- President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

So Josh it's a great question. Thanks so much. This is Cindy. So let me start with the second half of your question first. So we look very carefully at move-ins and move-outs during a month because that usually reflects an occupancy for the following month. So when I look at the quarter I'm very excited that we had a positive 6% increase in net move-ins in the third quarter compared to the same quarter of last year. When I look for the quarter at move out, our total move out were favorable by 1%. Now looking at controllable move outs we had a really difficult comp on controllable move outs in the second quarter because last year we improved our controllable move outs by over 7%. And if you look on a year-to-date basis our goal was really to keep our controllable move outs consistent and we're within 1% of the controllable move out number from last year despite the fact that we decided to really push rate and we knew that could increase our financial move out. We did that because we know that rate is a stronger driver of profitability and our primary focus is on driving sort of RevPAR as opposed to either occupancy or rate independently.

Now when I look at leads there's a few things to remember, last year you'll note that we shifted some of our marketing investments into our call center because we recognized that answering inquiries quickly was really important to delivering more move-ins. And so that's one factor that you see when you're looking at leads year-over-year. The second factor and we've been talking about this since the third quarter of 2018 is that there is some disruption in the lead volume from a large aggregator. Now we've made significant progress in the last three quarters and we're building momentum there but there's no question that we're not getting the same number of leads from that aggregator that we did in the past. And when you look at first visit that's also something that has reflected in our first visit in addition to the shift in some of our marketing programs that generate a visit but we're less successful in actually getting people to move into our communities.

So as we continue our operational turnaround we're data driven and we're always looking at the decisions that we've made, we're looking at whether they're getting the financial benefit that we expect them to, we are doubling down on the things that are working which is why you expect us or should expect us to continue our marketing investments as we go into the third quarter. And I'm really, really proud of the positive conversion that we have on our sales cycle. You know I told you last year that we always had the right sales strategy, what we have added this year is great execution. And so I want to give Mary Sue Patchett, the operations team a great credit for that and I'm very excited with Rick Wigginton joining us that we're going to be able to build on that huge success to deliver our mission to more seniors.

Josh Raskin -- Nephron Research -- Analyst

Got you, that's very helpful. Just one quick follow-up on that though Cindy, if you excluded that large online aggregator you think first visits would have been more sort of flattish as opposed to kind of down 5%, if you could exclude them from both periods does that sound feasible?

Lucinda Baier -- President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

That is -- that is very reasonable to conclude.

Josh Raskin -- Nephron Research -- Analyst

Okay. And then just a second question around REIT interest, just seems like rate is down, stocks are up for them, the investment cycle seems to be heating up a little bit for the healthcare REITs. Are you seeing more interest from them in terms of senior housing or do you feel like that -- the REITs are still kind of more focused on non-senior housing asset classes?

Lucinda Baier -- President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

I think REITs are very well publicized and it's easy to look at their investments and their earnings transcripts and see where they're focused. So I would allow them to speak for themselves.

Josh Raskin -- Nephron Research -- Analyst

But I meant more sort of directly to Brookdale, like are you seeing direct interest from the REITs change now I think the last year or so it's been obviously about divestitures and sales process, is there any interest around developments or new products, etc. from them?

Lucinda Baier -- President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

I think that we have had very positive constructive discussions with all of our REIT partners. And I'm very happy that we've announced several win-win transactions. We continue to look at transactions that will improve both our financial results and our REIT financial results as we go forward. We are really excited that our REITs are partnering with us by delivering capital into our communities. And like everyone our primary focus really is on operations because that is what's going to deliver the value for our shareholders with improved operations.

Josh Raskin -- Nephron Research -- Analyst

Okay. Thanks, again.

Lucinda Baier -- President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Chad Vanacore of Stifel. Your line is open.

Chad Vanacore -- Stifel, Nicolaus & Company -- Analyst

Thanks and good morning. So, just thinking about the management contract transitions. You've done quite a bit year-to-date, am I reading it correctly that you expect another $3 million quarterly revenue reduction from now until the end of the year? And then what's the impact and potential timing we should be thinking about?

Lucinda Baier -- President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

Chad, thanks for the question. Good morning. Steve will answer that question for you.

Steven E. Swain -- Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Yes, Chad. There is a $1.5 million reduction in revenue from transactions we completed already in the second quarter and about $1.7 million for transactions that we contemplate in the future primarily though in 2019.

Chad Vanacore -- Stifel, Nicolaus & Company -- Analyst

Okay.

Lucinda Baier -- President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

The important thing to remember about our management transitions is a lot of these management agreements were interim arrangements. You know that we did a lot of restructuring work on our portfolio last year and as part of exiting the leases we wanted to ensure that there was a good transition of the communities to new operators. And so this transition is something that was planned as part of the overall restructuring and we're delighted with the progress that we're making on this.

Chad Vanacore -- Stifel, Nicolaus & Company -- Analyst

All right. And then Cindy you've made some mention in the recent past about same store NOI expected to turn positive in 2020, can you give us some more color on how you think you can get there from here?

Lucinda Baier -- President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

Sure. The first thing is it's really a revenue question and so with our positive trajectory on move-ins and the expectation that we'll continue to have occupancy progress during the third quarter that's the first thing. We need to drive rate, we need to drive occupancy that will drive RevPAR, most important thing for Brookdale's turnaround. The second thing is that 2019 is the third and final year of our above market investments in labor and so that is something that will normalize more next year as we go forward. And then third we've made some pretty significant investments in driving our own internal movements this year and we do that through a data driven approach, because we know that it's successful. Because we have ramped up marketing spend this year we haven't yet seen the full benefit of that and so we'll get more benefit from next year's -- or from this year's investments next year. So those are the primary things that will drive improvement in 2020.

Chad Vanacore -- Stifel, Nicolaus & Company -- Analyst

Okay. And just one more question just on your JV contribution, EBITDA run rate is higher than guidance level at this point, does that imply some decline in the second half and why would that be?

Lucinda Baier -- President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

Well, we've maintained our guidance, all of our guidance for the full year. I think it probably signals that will be near the top end of our guidance and certainly will have some capex that will go into the communities in the back half of the year for the JV.

Chad Vanacore -- Stifel, Nicolaus & Company -- Analyst

Okay. Is there any contemplated sales of properties in that JV within that guidance, you've been running around $11 million EBITDA per quarter in first quarter and second quarter, but guidance would assume a pretty significant drop in that?

Steven E. Swain -- Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Chad, no specific changes in the guidance so -- and in the guidance we didn't have any contemplated changes in the communities. We're always investigating ways to increase shareholder value as Cindy mentioned a few minutes ago.

Chad Vanacore -- Stifel, Nicolaus & Company -- Analyst

All right, I will leave it there and hop back in queue, thanks.

Lucinda Baier -- President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

Thanks, Chad.

Operator

Next question comes from the line of Jason Plagman of Jefferies. Your line is open.

Jason Plagman -- Jefferies -- Analyst

Hey, good morning. Just -- Cindy just wondered if you could comment a little bit further on the competitive environment that you're seeing with new supply and new construction starts slowing, just how are you feeling versus three months ago about how things are trending in your market from a competitive standpoint?

Lucinda Baier -- President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

Jason that is a really insightful question, because the competitive environment has been a key factor in Brookdale's performance over the last three years. So we have a proprietary analysis that we use at Brookdale and if you're looking in our investor deck on page 5 you can see a graph that shows the new starts and opens around our communities. So let me start with starts because that is really a powerful story. If you look at the new starts in the second quarter, new starts are down 74% within 20 minutes of a Brookdale community compared to the second quarter of 2015 which was the peak. If you compare them to two years ago they're down 60% and if you compare them to the same quarter last year, they are down 51%. So what that tells me is that over the next two years, our competitive environment should be significantly improved.

Now there's no question that opens around Brookdale increase sequentially from Q1 to Q2, that was expected, we've been talking about that for several quarters now. But what's really powerful is that if you look at this compared to the peak which was two years ago in the second quarter of 2017 opens are down 33% from the peak. If you compare it to last year, opens are down 12% from the peak. Now the reason that this is critically important is because we are affected by a new competitors opening for about a year after the new competition opens. So what that tells me is that the future competitive outlook for Brookdale is much better than the past which when combined with the positive momentum that we have from our operational turnaround that gives me great confidence that the strategy that we have is the right strategy and that will deliver positive value for our shareholders.

Jason Plagman -- Jefferies -- Analyst

Thanks, that's helpful. And then on the -- maybe for Steve on the operational expense side. You mentioned some items that would be trending higher in Q2 I think, you mentioned utilities and continued weight inflation and some other items, can you just walk us through your expectations for facility operating margins in Q3 and then in the second half in comparison to where you came in, in Q2?

Steven E. Swain -- Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Yes, sure. So we do expect continuing expense pressure as we go from the second quarter into the third quarter. As you mentioned some labor, marketing as we had positive results from our second quarter pilots. We're going to continue our marketing spend into the third quarter. And as Cindy mentioned this is a spend marketing dollars for future move-ins as opposed to some of the previous ways we had gotten move-in. Occupancy also we are signaling that we are increasing occupancy in the third quarter that will also have an expense associated with that revenue increase and as you already mentioned utilities.

So, between the first and second quarter we had a margin decline and between the second and third quarter you can assume probably around the same margin decline. But as we move out from the third into the fourth quarter really we are starting the turnaround phase where we have significant operational leverage. And that flywheel is starting to spin into the third -- into the fourth quarter and then into 2020 where our occupancy growth and in the first quarter our rate growth in 2020 would fall to the bottom line. As Cindy mentioned to you, she gave you the steps to get to same store NOI growth just a few minutes ago.

Jason Plagman -- Jefferies -- Analyst

Got it. Thanks for that color.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Frank Morgan with RBC Capital. Your line is open.

Frank Morgan -- RBC Capital Markets -- Analyst

Good morning. With regard to the faster than normal ramp up in occupancies in the second quarter, I'm just curious, do you have any specific color around what drove that? Was that unique to you or did you see that from competitors in your market as well?

Lucinda Baier -- President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

I think that we are doing a fabulous job Frank particularly in assisted living where our sequential improvement was better than the data reported by the industry. So we've been working very hard on our turnaround strategy. It all starts with people. As you know we've been building the best team in the business and the fact that we have had a 5% improvement in associate turnover is critical to our success. The second thing that we have been very focused on is delighting our residents and the fact that we had a 20%, 20% improvement in our customer satisfaction as objectively measured by our promoter score is a critical part of our turnaround strategy. And then the third part of our strategy is really getting our sales and marketing optimized and we have done a lot of work, a lot of heavy lifting over the last year and a half to get our marketing optimized and spend it appropriately. We've got our sales strategy set, and we've really improved our execution. That's why I'm so excited about the results that we have for our operational turnaround and the momentum that we've seen in occupancy. It looks like we're off to a really, really great start. Thanks, Frank.

Frank Morgan -- RBC Capital Markets -- Analyst

Sure, second question, any particular markets you might want to call out what you're seeing sort of above market recovery? In the end the second part of that would just be any color around the behavior of any of your new competitors, you called out there's like a one year impact on them from the time of opening but what kind of strategies are they pursuing in terms of pricing promotion and the likes? Thanks.

Lucinda Baier -- President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

You know we have so many different competitors. In fact the vast majority in the industry over 90% of our competitors operate five or fewer communities. So in a company of our size it's not really helpful to look at the individual competitors and what they're doing. We have a very local market centric strategy that's focused, but I will say that we focused on 20 high opportunity communities and those communities are delivering outside -- outsized returns. And they're in various markets throughout the US. So it's less about the markets and more about the communities where we have the most opportunity. We've got some exciting new marketing programs, we've got great execution, and we've been working as a senior leadership team to remove every barrier to see success for those communities to win.

Frank Morgan -- RBC Capital Markets -- Analyst

Thank you.

Lucinda Baier -- President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

Thanks, Frank.

Operator

Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the call over to Cindy. Ma'am the floor is yours.

Lucinda Baier -- President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

Thank you very much. This quarter is further evidence that our turnaround initiatives continue to take hold and we achieved important operational milestones. As we've demonstrated we are committed to continually improving our performance and working to drive long-term sustainable shareholder value. The Company's business and operating performance is improving as evidenced by our 6% year-over-year improvement in move-ins and we are providing quality service and care to our residents and patients. Our turnaround strategy is driving results. Thank you so much, this ends our call.

Operator

[Operator Closing Remarks]

Duration: 45 minutes

Call participants:

Kathy MacDonald -- Senior Vice President, Investor Relations

Lucinda Baier -- President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

Steven E. Swain -- Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Josh Raskin -- Nephron Research -- Analyst

Chad Vanacore -- Stifel, Nicolaus & Company -- Analyst

Jason Plagman -- Jefferies -- Analyst

Frank Morgan -- RBC Capital Markets -- Analyst

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