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Electronic Arts, Inc. (NASDAQ: EA)
Q3 2019 Earnings Conference Call
Feb. 5, 2019, 5:00 p.m. ET

Contents:

  • Prepared Remarks
  • Questions and Answers
  • Call Participants

Prepared Remarks:

Operator

Good afternoon. My name is Mike, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Electronic Arts Q3 2019 Earning Conference Call. Mr. Chris Evenden, VP of Investor Relations, you may begin your conference.

Chris Evenden -- Vice President of Investor Relations

Thanks, Mike. Welcome to EA's Third Quarter Fiscal 2019 Earnings Call. With me on the call today are Andrew Wilson, our CEO, and Blake Jorgensen, our COO and CFO. Please note that our SEC filings and our earnings release are available at ir.ea.com. In addition, we have posted earnings slides to accompany our prepared remarks. Lastly, after the call, we will post our prepared remarks, an audio replay of this call, our financial model, and a transcript.

With regard to our calendar, our Q4 Fiscal 2019 earnings call is scheduled for Tuesday, May 7th, 2019. This presentation and our comments include forward-looking statements regarding future events and the future financial performance of the company. Actual events and results may differ materially from our expectations. We refer you to our most recent Form 10-Q for discussion of risks that could cause actual results to differ materially from those discussed today. Electronic Arts makes these statements as of today, February the 5th, 2019, and disclaims any duty to update them.

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During this call, the financial metrics, with the exception of free cashflow, will be presented on a GAAP basis. All comparisons made in the course of this call are against the same period in the prior year unless otherwise stated. Note that our results reflect our adoption of ASC 606 as of the beginning of Fiscal 2019, and for more information on this change, please see the accounting FAQ we have posted on our IR website. Now, I'll turn the call over to Andrew.

Andrew Wilson -- Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Chris. The gaming industry continued to grow through the holiday quarter in our Fiscal Year 2019. It's been a highly competitive year with lots of great new content for players around the world. In the face of this competition, we had significant challenges in Q3 and did not perform up to our expectations. We expect these challenges will continue to impact our performance in Q4, which has led us to lower our full fiscal year net revenue guidance today.

Let me first discuss our challenges and the adjustments we are making to address them, then I'll discuss the opportunities ahead. We'll start with Battlefield V. We made some decisions on launch timing and key features of this game that we felt would improve the quality of the experience. For context, Battlefield V was designed from the beginning to offer a long-term live service. In August, we determined that we needed some more time for final adjustments to the core gameplay to fully deliver on the potential of the live service, so we moved the ship date to November to accommodate those goals.

Unfortunately, the later release date meant the game launched deeper into a competitive holiday window where heavy price discounting was a big factor. In addition, we also made the decision to prioritize other features, including a single-player experience at launch of our battle royale mode. This year, battle royale modes became incredibly popular in shooter games. As a result of these decisions, we struggled to gain momentum and did not meet our sales expectations for the quarter.

Importantly though, the Battlefield franchise is strong. More than 27 million fans have played our Battlefield games this fiscal year to date. Our focus is now on bringing more of these plays into Battlefield V with new modes and great content through a live service. In March, we'll kick up our third chapter of updates in this game which will include, among other things, Firestorm Battle Royale. This will be a unique take on the royale genre, integrating unique battlefield characteristics including strategic squad gameplay, varying objectives, and vehicles. We're responding to our players in Battlefield V by delivering the content they want most into the live service on a cadence that will fuel the community with fresh new experiences for many months to come.

Next, I'll touch on mobile. While the mobile market is strong and expected to continue growing nearly 10% next year, the dynamics have become increasingly challenging. The data we have indicates that the average age of top 20 titles is greater than three years old and that it's harder than ever for new games to break through. With our latest release, Command & Conquer: Rivals, we had positive soft launch results. But since global release, it has not driven installs organically at the levels we anticipated. We are now working to bring more plays into that game.

We continue to be committed to mobile. We believe in the value of our franchises in the marketplace, and we are doubling down on these games through live services. We're also putting our best teams on bigger projects and exploring additional ways to create and iterate quickly. We have always focused on profitability in mobile, and we are evolving to better position ourselves for growth in the future.

Our performance in Asia was also not as strong as expected through Q3. In Korea, FIFA Online 4 is performing well with monthly average plays exceeding the trajectory of FIFA Online 3 in a similar period from launch. Given nuances in the Chinese market, our transition of FIFA Online 4 has been slower than anticipated, and FIFA Mobile is still in the early stages after launching in the market. We have long-term strategies with robust content plan for both games that combine with the popularity and growth of soccer in the region we believe will fuel further growth.

FIFA continues to be a growing business for us. In fact, we sold more units of FIFA last calendar year than any year before, and we welcomed 4 million new players into our FIFA ecosystem on console and PC. Our plans for FIFA 18 were aggressive in a World Cup year, and we ended up selling an additional 2.4 million units of FIFA 18 throughout the year with the intention of converting those plays to FIFA 19 when it launched. The conversion has been slower than planned, leading to unit sales that were effectively flat year-over-year.

In a year where there was intense competition and many iterative titles were challenged, FIFA 19 still became the best-selling console game in Europe last calendar year. Even on flat year-over-year install base, FIFA Ultimate Team has performed well, and it accelerated in January with our most successful team-of-the-year event ever.

Our competitive gaming programs are also adding strength to the franchise with our expanded FIFA Global series already garnering 80% more total minutes watched compared to last fiscal year along with new sponsor engagements and partnerships with industry leaders such as ELEAGUE, Gfinity, and PGL. We continue to be very positive on the strength of FIFA and FIFA Ultimate Team around the world.

We made some calculated decisions that did not work as planned in Q3, and we did not execute well in other areas of our business. Against the backdrop of a very competitive quarter, the combination of those factors led to our underperformance. While we are disappointed with the results, we understand where our challenges are, and we are deeply focused on applying the strength of our company to address them going forward.

We are a learning organization. Over the last six months, we've made organizational changes to shape our teams against our priorities for the future. We've made operational changes to better position ourselves to effective drive live services and serve our play communities. We've made creative changes including the formation of a creative council to strengthen our creative decision making. And we will continue to make refinements in each of these dimensions as we focus sharply on execution across the company. The future of the industry is strong, and so is the future of Electronic Arts.

As you saw yesterday, we just launched Apex Legends, a new free-to-play battle royale game from Respawn. This is very exciting for us. Built from the ground up to bring innovation to the genre, there are so many unique elements of Apex Legends from the characters to the gameplay mechanics to the team play construct. To compete in the highly competitive battle royale space, we also deliberately chose a different go-to-market strategy to surprise and delight players around the world.

The launch yesterday was EA's biggest reveal ever by peak and current viewers, and it quickly became the No. 1 game on Twitch. The Respawn team has a strong plan for Apex Legends that will engage fans for a long time to come. And as the live service evolves, Respawn also plans to launch a premium game this year that is a new twist on the Titanfall universe. More to come on that in the month ahead.

Also this month, we will launch Anthem, BioWare's epic new game. Our teams at BioWare have poured so much passion into crafting every aspect of this massive new IP. Millions of fans played more than 40 million hours of Anthem in our recent demos, and we're very pleased to see the excitement and retell on digital channels reaching higher than expected levels. Anthem has been on dozens of lists for the most anticipated games of 2019, and the full game launches on February 22.

Looking ahead to FY20, we have a large slate of new games beginning with some big new additions in our next FIFA title. There was great energy and excitement from NFL fans throughout this past season, and we're excited for our plans with the Madden NFL franchise. We will continue innovating and driving our NHL and NBA live games deeper into the fabric of their respective sports. We'll have a new game for our Need for Speed fans and a new title in our PvZ shooter franchise on console and PC.

In addition to Apex Legends, another team at Respawn is set to deliver Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order this fall. This game's development is led by the former director of the God of War series with a team of veterans from some of the industry's biggest action-adventure games. It's very far along in development, and having spent time with it recently myself, it plays spectacularly well. This game truly captures the fantasy of becoming a Jedi, and we will have a lot more to share soon.

In FY20, we're also set to deliver more content and new experiences in more wide services than ever before. We're excited to continue building on the success of our Ultimate Team modes for EA Sports. Our Sims franchise continues to thrive in live services. Our Sims 4 community grew by 4.8 million unique players last year. Our monthly active players continue to grow year-over-year, and we just crossed $1 billion in lifetime revenue for the game. We continue to have strong expectations for The Sims going forward, and FY 20, we're bringing at least 20 new content drops and expansion packs to our Sims games across PC, mobile, and console.

We will continue to support Battlefield V and Anthem throughout the year, and Apex Legends will bring seasons of new content and much more to its players. With the breadth and depth of our live service offerings, we are focusing on delivering more of the content that resonates with our communities to drive additional upside opportunities in FY20.

This is a challenging second half of our FY19. We are making critical adjustments to sharpen our focus on execution and to assure we are well positioned to deliver more great games and services to our players.

Now, I'll hand the call over to Blake.

Blake J. Jorgensen -- Chief Operating Officer and Chief Financial Officer

Thanks, Andrew. When we guided the year last May, we had high expectations for Battlefield V. We expected to grow our existing mobile titles and had anticipated launching two new mobile games. As Andrew outlined, it didn't play out as we planned. We decided to move Battlefield V into a difficult launch window against heavily discounted competition, and on mobile, we moved one of our titles out of the year. C&C: Rivals is also ramping slowly, and we made changes to Madden Mobile that reduced monetization. On top of this, unprecedented competition for players' time impacted the growth of our titles.

However, the performance of FIFA and FIFA Ultimate Team was a bright spot with the franchise proving extremely resilient in the face of intense competition. In addition, we set a new third quarter record for operating cashflow over the last 12 months. I've decided to give additional details this quarter about which parts of our business are and are not performing up to our expectations. I'll report our results on a GAAP basis, then use our operational measure of net bookings to discuss the dynamics of the business. To compare this quarter's results to historically reported non-GAAP measures, please refer to the relevant tabs in our downloadable financial model.

EA's net revenue was $1.289 billion, below our guidance by $86 million. Operating expenses were $634 million, $96 million lower than our guidance, driven by variable compensation and related expenses and some phasing of marketing expenses. GAAP operating income was $242 million and resulted in an earnings per share of $0.86, $0.25 better than our guidance. Operating cashflow for the quarter was $954 million, up $105 million from last year. Operating cashflow for the trailing 12 months was $1.563 billion. Capital expenditures for the quarter were $21 million, resulting in a free cashflow of $933 million. See our earnings slides for further cashflow information.

During the quarter, we repurchased 3.2 million shares at a cost of $292 million, leaving $1.59 billion in our two-year $2.4 billion buyback program we began last May. Our cash and short-term investments at the end of the quarter were $5.2 billion.

Life to date, FIFA 19 full game unit sales are roughly flat to FIFA 18 and slightly below our expectations. We believe the underperformance was driven by the intense competition throughout the year. It is possible that the success of World Cup promotions pulled FIFA 19 sales into FIFA 18, given that during Calendar 2018, we sold more copies of FIFA than ever before. The fiscal year-to-date sales of FIFA 19 are approximately 20 million units, and we've sold over 3 million units of FIFA 18 this fiscal year too. And as Andrew said, FIFA 19 was the best-selling console game in Europe in the Calendar 2018.

FIFA Ultimate Team delivered its best quarter ever, up 6% from last year's Q3, which was all-time high due to the addition of Esports. Although fewer people than expected have bought FIFA 19, average spend per player is up over last year's title. Madden Ultimate Team is up double digits life to date.

As Andrew discussed, the desire to make changes to Battlefield V led us to move its launch into a more difficult window and prioritizing the single-player campaign over battle royale also hurt sales. As a result, we sold 7.3 million units in the quarter, about 1 million less than we comprehended by our Q3 guidance. However, people played Battlefield for a long time, and we're in this for the long haul. Battlefield I still has nearly 4 million active users, and Battlefield 4 has nearly 2 million more than five years after its launch. When we released the Season 2 content in January, Battlefield V became the largest Battlefield game ever, and we have an exciting live services plan ahead for us with a launch of Firestorm Battle Royale game mode in March and continuing through Fiscal 2020.

The live services content presents an opportunity for upside as we look to sell more copies of the base game and players invest in cosmetic changes to their characters. Battlefield V drove few Origin Access Premier subscriptions than we had hoped given the difficult launch of the game. We remain committed to subscriptions and we look forward to attracting further subscribers with the launch of Anthem. We are using the launches this year to help us drive the evolution of this service.

We entered the year expecting strong mobile growth, but a combination of a delayed game and underperformance means the business will end the year down. The mobile market is characterized by a small number of highly successful games together with a long tail of much smaller games, many of which merely break even or actually lose money.

Our focus has been and continues to be on building profitable franchises. Our business continues to be profitable, but growth is unpredictable in such a market. We continually review how we might improve the performance of this business.

We launched Apex Legends, a battle royale experience in the Titanfall universe, yesterday. It's free to play, but one day is still way too early to talk about the power of the business model. The Respawn team has executed well to deliver an innovative take on the battle royale genre. They've enthusiastically driven the creation of one of the few large-scale free-to-play experiences on console, and we have a great live service to come.

Digital net bookings were $1.199 billion, down 3% on the year-ago period. Strong digital sales of Battlefield V compared to Star Wars Battlefront II, which were more than offset by the decline in our mobile business and the extra game launch in last year's third quarter. Digital net bookings now represent 74% of our business on a trailing 12 month basis, a new record. This compares to 67% in the prior year. Live services net bookings were down 0.4% to $784 million. FIFA Ultimate Team grew but did not offset the decline in Battlefield 1 live services and FIFA Online in Asia. Mobile delivered net bookings of $142 million, down 22% year-on-year with declines across our portfolio. We had made some changes to Madden Mobile in order to broaden its appeal, but monetization fell. We continue to work to turn this around.

Full game PC and console downloads generated net bookings of $273 million, 5% higher than last year. Growth was driven by the ongoing shift to digital in particular for FIFA 19 for which sell-through is 27% digital life to date compared to 21% for FIFA 18 last year. Overall, 47% of our units sold were through digital rather than physical, measured on Xbox One and PlayStation 4 over the last 12 months. This compares to just 37% a year ago. Because Battlefield V skews much more digital than Star Wars Battlefront II, we continue to model underlying annual growth of about five percentage points.

Turning to guidance, our expectation for full year GAAP net revenue is $4.875 billion and diluted earnings per share of $3.20. We expect operating cashflow of about $1.35 billion. We continue to anticipate capital expenditures of around $125 million, which would deliver free cashflow of about $1.225 billion. We now anticipate Fiscal 19 net bookings of $4.75 billion. This is below our previous expectations based primarily on performance to date of Battlefield V Mobile and Origin access. We model Anthem units in the 5 million to 6 million unit range and do not model material net bookings for Apex Legends in the quarter. For the fourth quarter, we expect net revenues of $1.163 billion, cost of revenue to be $265 million, and operating expenses of $715 million.

OpEx is up year-on-year primarily due to the launches of two major titles as opposed to one last year and increased investment in R&D. This results in diluted earnings per share of $0.56 for the fourth quarter using the diluted share count of 303 million. We anticipate net booking for the quarter to be $1.17 billion. This is slightly down year-on-year with Anthem offset by broad-base weaknesses.

Our experience this quarter have reset our expectations for growth this year and next, and that means we must make some hard choices about investments. Nevertheless, this quarter has shown that we will continue to be a business with great brands that enable us to generate strong cashflow for investors.

In Fiscal 2020, we will continue to innovate in our sports titles, with growth for them expected to be in the range of flat to up 5%. In particular, FIFA 20 will include some significant new features, and we plan for both FIFA and FIFA Ultimate Team to grow over the year. We will drive the Titanfall universe forward with Apex Legends live service and a premium game later in the year. We will launch Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order, a new Plants vs. Zombies shooter, and a new Need for Speed. We have modest expectations for Battlefield and Anthem live services given that they are not yet proven. We continue to refine mobile live services and work on new games.

Overall, we expect net bookings to grow low single digits and the underlying profitability to grow in line with that as well. We will provide further details and a P&L forecast when we report in May.

To sum it up, FIFA stands out as a robust franchise through a tumultuous year in the videogame industry. We are making changes to improve execution, and we're refocusing R&D investments to projects with near to medium-term returns without impacting our long-term vision. Meanwhile, we're looking forward to giving Star Wars fans the opportunity to live the life of a Jedi in Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order, to continue to innovate our ever-popular PvZ brand, and to deliver another action-packed installment of Need for Speed.

And now, I'll hand the call back to Andrew to offer some final thoughts.

Andrew Wilson -- Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Blake. The gaming industry is strong and it continues to grow. New genres have emerged and become massively popular. True to players reaching across more platforms and geographies, subscriptions and cloud gaming are strong future growth opportunities, and above all else, great content continues to be the life blood of our industry.

As Blake and I have talked about, we're experiencing a difficult second half of FY19. We're disappointed with our underperformance. We are confident in our overall strategy, but we are making deliberate changes to our organization, our operational processes, and our creative focus to address our challenges.

Importantly, we are confident and excited by our incredible portfolio of strong brands, our talented teams, our commitment to live services, and our pipeline of new games. We have a slate of EA Sports titles that have performed well even in a lot of increased competition this year. FIFA, in particular, continues to demonstrate its leadership as a top title in the industry and it is growing as a business. We will build on the continued success of our EA Sports portfolio with significant innovation and new ways to play in FY20. We have our deepest lineup of new IP in more than a decade. We're very excited about the opportunities we have with Apex Legends, Anthem, and Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order in the year ahead.

We're also set to bring new games and live services content to some of our fan-favorite franchises. In FY20, we will have new games for our Need for Speed and PvZ shooter fans. We plan to bring a lot of great new content to the passionate and growing player base in The Sims 4, and we're focused on exciting more Battlefield players with upcoming additions to Battlefield V. We'll also double down on live services in our top mobile franchises while pushing forward with new projects and taking the necessary time to set them up for success.

Our belief remains strong that the combination of subscriptions and streaming will be transformative to the future of gaming, and we are well positioned for that evolution. Earlier this fiscal year, we added a new frontline tier to our subscription offerings for PC players. And in a year ahead, we plan to offer subscription service on another major platform. We have a lot of great content coming in FY20, and we're excited for more players to experience it through our subscription programs across more platforms. Our industry is growing, and we know expectations for EA are high. As we take action to address our challenges, our underlying business is strong, our pipeline is robust, our teams have amazing talent, and we're confident for the future.

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With that, Blake and I will take your questions.

Questions and Answers:

Operator

At this time, I would like to inform everyone in order to ask a question, just press *1 on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, press the # key. We will pause for a moment to compile the Q&A roster.

Your first question comes from Mike Ng from Goldman Sachs.

Mike Ng -- Goldman Sachs -- Equity Research Analyst

Great. Thank you for the question. I have two, just one for Blake and one for Andrew. Blake, you mentioned that given the more tempered view on growth for next year, EA's making some hard choices about investments that you're making. You discussed some of the things that you're focused on, but I was just wondering if you could give us a little bit more color on areas of the business that you may be pulling back on. And then for Andrew, I was just wondering if you could talk a little bit more about the premium Battlefield title for next year. It seems that in Fiscal 20, Respawn will now be operating or launching three titles between that one, Apex, and Star Wars. Could you just talk about Respawn's capacity for that? Thank you.

Blake J. Jorgensen -- Chief Operating Officer and Chief Financial Officer

So, on the investment side, our view is we need to constantly be looking at the performance of all of our different lines of business, and where those lines are performing as well as we want, we are focused on making some changes. We are focusing also on the pace of some of the investments. We're not changing our strategy. We're still following the notion that we're building a subscription in a networked world that's prepared for both the existing platforms and future platforms like streaming. It's just a question of the pace. We wanna make sure that we're very focused on the most important thing, which is great content. And without great content, delivery models like subscription or platforms like streaming don't mean very much. So, I think about our approach as trying to double down on making sure we're building and delivering great content and great live services experiences across console, PC, and mobile.

Andrew Wilson -- Chief Executive Officer

On the second point, you mentioned Battlefield. I think it was Titanfall that you were referencing. We have continued to invest in Respawn and with Respawn through the acquisition. They now have two fully staffed teams, one focused on the shooter genre, and one focused on action-adventure. They also have the benefit of a lot of EA's scale and central resources. Groups like EA Digital Platform, our content development services, which is kind of content, and Q&A, security, publishing, etc. And while I don't have more to share on the particulars of what was coming for Titanfall, what I would say is Respawn, our tremendously creative team, they always anticipated that Apex Legends would be a spectacular game in the battle royale genre and that they would use that as a ramp point to continue to innovate and deliver a truly creative take on what Titanfall is in a premium context later on in the year.

Blake J. Jorgensen -- Chief Operating Officer and Chief Financial Officer

And I'll add to that that first, just looking at Apex Legends should give you a context of what a superior set of game developers sit in Respawn. This team of people is exceptional, and the type of game they've built and the innovate level of that game. And second, you'll start to see in the next few months glimpses of the Star Wars game, and I think you'll be blown away by what you see. We played 20-plus minutes of it last week, and it is exceptional in terms of its level of polished depth and living inside of the Star Wars world as a Jedi. I think people will be blown away by it.

Mike Ng -- Goldman Sachs -- Equity Research Analyst

Great. Thank you very much, both.

Operator

Your next question comes from Justin Post from Bank of America, Merrill Lynch.

Justin Post -- Bank of America, Merrill Lynch -- Managing Director

Great. Thank you. When we think about Battlefield two years ago, it was a runaway hit, and it wasn't very competitive, and then this year, obviously, Battlefield V missed. Can you talk about a little bit how much you attribute to really the competitive dynamics versus game execution, and how can EA improve execution on its titles going forward so that you don't have to have misses like the last two years? Thank you.

Andrew Wilson -- Chief Executive Officer

I think it's a really good question, and I think that there is certainly an element of the market and the competitive nature of the market that amplified or magnified some of the challenges we've had. If I think about Battlefield V more holistically, I think we did not do a great job of building momentum early in the project. I think about this not just in the context of development, but I think about this in the context of our broader execution against the entire campaign. Our launch didn't resonate as strongly as we would've liked it to with players, and we were never truly able to catch up. And as our competitors continued to build momentum, whether that was Fortnite, or Red Dead Redemption 2, or Call of Duty, we continued to stall from where we needed to be. I think you combine that with a move of the title. Again, I think that we made the right decision to move the title in service of the quality of the game, and on balance, those that bought into the game really enjoyed it, and the game was better for that move, but the combination of a poor start in our marketing campaign together with what I think was a longer development cycle that put us into a more competitive window, and the amplification of that competitive window against some of those underperformance factors is how we resulted in Battlefield. What I can tell you is we've gone back and we've just completed our global publishing and marketing meeting for the year ahead just last week. And part of what we have done there is having far more real conversations early on, getting to the center of not just the production cycle of the game but what is the creative center and how will we bring that game to market. And you should expect that we will be more innovative and more creative around both our marketing campaigns and how we bring games to market and more diligent in our operation against execution of the project plans around development of videogames on a go-forward basis. It's something we're taking very seriously across the full landscape of development.

Justin Post -- Bank of America, Merrill Lynch -- Managing Director

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from Eric Handler from MKM Partners.

Eric Handler -- MKM Partners -- Managing Director, Media & Entertainment Analyst

Thank you very much. And just a follow-up to Justin, I think he brought up some good points, how big of an issue do you see with marketing and do significant changes need to be made here as you think about particularly marketing in the holiday quarter? We saw you had issues several years back with Titanfall 2, despite the fact that it was a good game from a ratings perspective. You had decent ratings for Battlefield V, and maybe you could talk about what needs to change with marketing, or is it just date selection? How are things gonna evolve there? And then as a follow-up, maybe you could talk about your mobile strategy in the past has been more of choosing to go for singles and doubles, and in this environment, can singles and doubles still work or do you have to go for the big home runs there?

Andrew Wilson -- Chief Executive Officer

There's a lot in there. Let me start with marketing. I think what you have seen from us is some tremendous marketing across our portfolio. It is how FIFA was able to rise in the way it did through the year. It's how our sports franchises, even in the face of stiff competition, still performed well. When we go back and analyze what happened with Battlefield V and Titanfall 2, I think we failed to come to a true creative center of a campaign that was compelling for players, and we spent too long getting to that point. And by the time we got to launch, when we didn't have that creative center for the campaign, we had lost ground against our competitors. Our holiday quarter will always be competitive. In the past, we had competed very well. What we have seen this year is that we had some big misses early on, and they gained momentum in terms of the impact that it had to our business over time. As I just talked about with Justin's question, what we have done is gone back and built a far more robust process around how we find our creative center. It's called the Reason to Play, and Chris Bruzzo, our CMO, and his entire organization have restructured the entire marketing conversation from the inception of game development through full campaign, and we expect that that will put us in a significantly better position on a go-forward basis. In the context of mobile, again, I think what you heard from us in the prepared remarks is mobile is a tremendously powerful marketplace. It's a growing marketplace, but we are seeing that it's getting harder and harder to break into that market. What we are seeing is that many, many thousands of games are launching and that only a few are finding success. And even great games are failing to break through. What we're also seeing, however, is that two things are becoming true. One is that additional focus on existing live titles can deliver tremendous profitability over time, and you should expect that we will do that. We're also seeing that patience is important. Some of our competitors are having their games in the market for 12 months or 18 months and building and adjusting to drive growth in that space, and you should expect that from us also. But what you did hear from us is that we'll be focusing our best teams on the big opportunities because, in order to break through, gamers expect not just a really big brand, not just innovation in gameplay, but they expect a really big gameplay proposition. And part of what we'll be doing on a go-forward basis is focusing on some of those much bigger opportunities.

Blake J. Jorgensen -- Chief Operating Officer and Chief Financial Officer

I would just remind people that sports, like it is in our core console and PC business, is a critical component of long-term success in mobile. I think life to date, we've generated over $1 billion in the sports business, and the beauty of that business is evergreen. It restarts every year, and we're trying to continue to grow that with FIFA, with Madden, with NBA around the globe, and that's the focus that we're gonna continue to step into. And trust we don't step up thinking we're gonna hit a single or a double. We're always focused on trying to hit home runs, and we'll continue to do that.

Eric Handler -- MKM Partners -- Managing Director, Media & Entertainment Analyst

Thank you, guys.

Operator

Your next question comes from Andrew Uerkwitz from Oppenheimer.

Andrew Uerkwitz -- Oppenheimer & Company -- Senior Analyst: Emerging Technology

Hey, thanks, gentlemen. Can you talk about how cross-play, cross-progress fits into this [inaudible] across the portfolio? And then, in particular, do you see it limiting either Apex of Anthem's potential? And then secondly, Andrew's talking a lot about increased competition. One way to kind of solve increased competition is M&A, so could you talk about any updated thoughts on M&A? Thank you.

Andrew Wilson -- Chief Executive Officer

So, again, we think that cross-play and cross-progress is going to be a very important part of our future, and you should anticipate that we will be doing more in that space. What our information would suggest to us is that there isn't a tremendous amount of play across devices, but that overall liquidity in any gaming community is a good and positive thing, even if it's only a few people or a small portion of the community that utilizes that. We absolutely are looking at that in the context of Apex, and we'll be looking at that across our portfolio over time, and we think about franchises with tremendously large communities like FIFA and think that they would absolutely benefit from cross-play and cross-progress as more and more people come into these big communities.

Blake J. Jorgensen -- Chief Operating Officer and Chief Financial Officer

And on the M&A front, we're always looking at virtually every opportunity that comes through. I think Respawn presents an example of how its worked extremely well for us. We've had great integration with their company, and we're obviously seeing the fruits of that now, and will continue through the next year, and longer. Our view is continue to stay close to everyone, be in dialogue so if there is opportunities that come up, we're looking at those opportunities. We're always going to be focused on creating value for shareholders in our M&A discussions, and sometimes private companies' expectations on valuation don't match the public realities of the marketplace, particularly in this last year as public market valuations have changed dramatically for ourselves and others in the industry. That hasn't necessarily been reflected yet in some of the private market valuations, but we think over time that might, and we wanna make sure we're looking for some of the great properties that we know are out there, and we're gonna continue to do that. And part of the reason we're continuing to maintain the cash balance and the capital structure that we have is to be in a position to be at the table for any of those great properties that might come to market in the future.

Andrew Uerkwitz -- Oppenheimer & Company -- Senior Analyst: Emerging Technology

Thank you, guys. Appreciate the colors. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from Stephen Ju from Credit Suisse.

Stephen Ju -- Credit Suisse -- Vice President

Thanks. So, I guess, Andrew, bigger picture, Google is working on a streaming platform, Amazon also seems to be doing the same, I would presume Apple probably has ambitions here as well, so seems like you as a content producer will have a lot more distribution outlets and optionalities from who will be wanting your content on their platforms. So, can you give us some perspective on how your distribution costs, or I guess the platform royalties, may change over time and how quickly that may change? And Blake, can you give us a little bit more color on where you are in transitioning the FIFA Online 3 users to FIFA Online 4, where the status of that is between Korea and China as well as what may be the latest feedback from your distribution partner in regards to the regulatory environment in China? Thanks.

Andrew Wilson -- Chief Executive Officer

I will take the first one. You're right. There are a number of people or a number of entities working on streaming technology. We believe that is a good thing to the extent that it will massively increase the total addressable market of gamers and get to a point where 2.5 billion or 3 billion gamers exist that currently play on mobile devices can play on almost every device they own. We think that is a great thing. We also have technology that we have been developing internally that we think will actually be able to accelerate that for our partners and accelerate our ability to reach more customers through cloud services and cloud gaming. In terms of platform royalties, I think it's too early to tell, and what we're seeing right now with some of the plays in the marketplace is it seems to be a competition for who can charge content creators less money to distribute their content. I don't know where that nets out. I think that will be good for us over time. I also think that increased total addressable market, a potential for a more lucrative platform royalty structure, combined with our ability to offer a robust subscription offering to many, many hundreds of millions or even billions of players over time represents a very, very big and strong opportunity for our future.

Blake J. Jorgensen -- Chief Operating Officer and Chief Financial Officer

And on Online 3 to Online 4, I think Korea is, as Andrew mentioned, moving people faster from 3 into 4 and starting to grow 4. China, we're being more cautious along with our partner Tencent, but some of the regulatory hurdles are starting to get cleared across the industry, which I think will help us speed up that transition from 3 into 4. I was hoping that it would be fully transitioned by the end of this quarter, and clearly, it's not. We think it's gonna probably continue at least through next quarter and maybe into early next year, but we do view that the long-term play there is a positive one, particularly with the growth of soccer in that marketplace.

Stephen Ju -- Credit Suisse -- Vice President

So, Blake, just as a clarification, when you talk about next year, it's your fiscal year, not calendar?

Blake J. Jorgensen -- Chief Operating Officer and Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, fiscal year. Yes, exactly. So, we'll give you more update when we talk next quarter, but my hope is it's not a headwind for us next year and actually becomes a tailwind for fiscal year.

Stephen Ju -- Credit Suisse -- Vice President

Understood. Thank you.

Blake J. Jorgensen -- Chief Operating Officer and Chief Financial Officer

Thanks.

Operator

Your next question comes from Jeff Cohen from Stephens.

Jeff Cohen -- Stephens Inc. -- Equity Research Analyst

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question. Could you talk a little bit about what kind of operating margins we could see on the revenue that you expect from Apex Legends versus the revenue that you got from normal upfront game sale? I would think it should be higher given that it's all digital. And then if you guys could give us some guidance in terms of maybe how to think about sizing the potential for that game, that would be great as well.

Blake J. Jorgensen -- Chief Operating Officer and Chief Financial Officer

I mean, both of those are pretty hard after one day only because we don't have a lot of areas to look to that actually peg it. It's a different business than say our largest live service is Ultimate Team. Ultimate Team, you have people who are predisposed to spend because they bought the base game coming in, and so the payer ratios, I think as we talked about, are much higher than what you would see in a pure free-to-play game like a mobile game where they're in single digits. Our hope is obviously we have high engagement and high number of users, and the combination of those two things should drive what we believe is very profitable revenue. You are correct, having all digital and having that come through either directly our Origin platform where there's no platform fees or through third-party platforms will help depend on what the ultimate profitability is, but I think overall, it should be very strong. It's just hard for us to size that market. More to come on that over the next couple of months as we get closer to doing guidance for next year. As I said, we put very little revenue into this quarter for it because we just didn't know. But by the time we give guidance in May, we'll have a much better sense of what we think that will be based on the number of users coming in and then those users that are spending across the live services that we'll continue to roll out.

Jeff Cohen -- Stephens Inc. -- Equity Research Analyst

Thanks, Blake.

Andrew Wilson -- Chief Executive Officer

Sorry, while it is early, what I can say is that in the first 24 hours, we've had over 2.5 million unique users, training fast toward 3 million unique users, and nearly 600,000 peak and current users in the middle of a Tuesday, so it's very early, but the response to the game has been very, very strong. We've been the No. 1 viewed game on Twitch since launch, and player sentiment seems to be very, very high right now.

Jeff Cohen -- Stephens Inc. -- Equity Research Analyst

Thanks, guys. Yeah, the game definitely seems to be off to a strong start. Will that revenue run through the live services line in the model?

Blake J. Jorgensen -- Chief Operating Officer and Chief Financial Officer

Most likely, yeah. So, yeah, you'll probably see obviously some growth there next year if it's additive and successful, which we think it will be. I think as Andrew was saying, we're very excited about it. It's just so early, we don't wanna put too much into the model yet. When I gave that guidance earlier on mid to low-single digits for the total business, that doesn't really anticipate a huge number for a live service business yet.

Jeff Cohen -- Stephens Inc. -- Equity Research Analyst

Thanks.

Operator

Your next question comes from Ben Schachter from Macquarie.

Ben Schachter -- Macquarie Group -- Senior Internet and Interactive Entertainment Analyst

Hey, Blake. I was wondering if you could just talk about the use of cash a bit more. You talked about M&A, but given the way the stock is, should we think you'd be more active in buybacks? And then, Andrew, maybe you could talk a bit about China. Is FIFA really the only opportunity for you guys there or should there be anything else? And then just any broad comments on Fortnite and how that's impacted you guys and the industry's holiday? Thanks.

Blake J. Jorgensen -- Chief Operating Officer and Chief Financial Officer

I'll start, Ben, on the buybacks. I mean, we're three-quarters of the way through the first year of our $2.4 billion program, which is a double of the last program. We've doubled our pace of buybacks, and we're tracking to that. We will, as we have done I think consistently over the last few years, review the buyback with our board at the end of our fiscal year and determine if we should continue on the existing buyback or if we should increase it, and that'll be based on what our outlook is for the future as well as the cashflow generation. We spend less time focused on what the current stock price is. We wanna be in the market every single day, which we are, and track to the buyback that we've made the commitment to to the street, and we'll look at reviewing that each year near the end of the fiscal year. So, more to come when we give guidance again.

Andrew Wilson -- Chief Executive Officer

And on China, I think as everyone would acknowledge, China's a very particular marketplace. We certainly see robust growth opportunities for FIFA. We did a small partnership deal around a Command & Conquer mobile game recently that is performing very, very well in China. We know that the Plants vs. Zombies brand is very strong in China as is the Need for Speed brand. And as that market continues to evolve and mature, we're seeing that brands like FIFA, brands like Need for Speed, Plants vs. Zombies, Command & Conquer, and potentially The Sims may have tremendous appeal there and working through plans on how we're executing against that over time.

Operator

Your next question comes from Drew Crum from Stifel.

Drew Crum -- Stifel Nicolaus-Research Analyst

Thanks. Good afternoon, everyone. Can you talk about your expectations for live services going forward? Was Fiscal 3Q the bottom, and would you expect to see improvement in the out-quarters? And if so, what are some of the drivers for improvement? And I guess separately on Anthem, you were pretty upbeat coming out of the last earnings report. Being three weeks away from the launch, having gone through the beta testing, have your expectations for the launch changed in any way? And if so, how and why? Thanks.

Blake J. Jorgensen -- Chief Operating Officer and Chief Financial Officer

So, on live services, remember, it's a collection of items, as we mentioned. FIFA Ultimate Team had its largest quarter in history in Q3. Madden's continued to grow strong. The counter is the offset in Battlefield 1 live services, which are dying down as the tail of that live service is coming down, and we have yet to ramp up Battlefield V live services. As I mentioned, we don't have a large number in there for monetization on Battlefield or Anthem live services because we just don't know yet how those will perform. We're cautious that we wanna not put too much revenue in until we really see that revenue. So, hard to say now. Our goal is to continue to grow live services obviously, and we think Ultimate Team still has a lot of room to grow, and some of the things that we're doing with both FIFA and Madden for next year should help continue to drive Ultimate Team growth in those two products as well as I just mentioned possibly some upside from Apex, and Battlefield V, and Anthem. In terms of Anthem outlook, I think I mentioned 5 million to 6 million units which was consistent with how we thought about it last quarter, and we're comfortable with that based on what we're seeing in the outcome of the demo. Both demos, lot of excitement around it and a lot of interest. People are realizing it is a game that's unlike any other game they've ever played. The opportunity to work with different suits, to fly, to go into the water, I mean, it is fabulous mechanics as you're playing the game, and people are enjoying it quite a bit. And so, more to come as we learn more, but we think there's a great opportunity not just this year for that game, but that should sell well for a long period of time as we add more content through the live service plans.

Operator

Your next question comes form Gerrick Johnson from BMO Capital Markets.

Gerrick Johnson -- BMO Capital Markets -- Director, Equity Research Analyst

Good afternoon. I was hoping that you could talk about the in-game monetization strategies to be employed in Apex. Also, any metrics that you can give us on Origin Access Premier to help understand your progress there? Thank you.

Andrew Wilson -- Chief Executive Officer

So, again, Apex is a free-to-play game, and so many players may choose to continue to play all the way through the game and earn in-game currency so that they can level up and buy new, unique cosmetic items for their character or in their world. There's going to be a couple of different monetization opportunities inside of Apex. There will be a revolving direct purchase option that will allow you to buy cosmetic items and at times buy new legends. None of those items will give you an advancement in play. It's not a play-to-win mechanic. It's really about differentiating gameplay and differentiating how you look in a world of a big and robust community. In addition to that, there will be Apex packs, which are similar to a loot box mechanic where should you not wish to purchase direct, you can go in and buy items are part of a loot box mechanic. There will be no repeats in that, so there's a whole system to ensure that you always get something of value, and again, all will be cosmetic. And in places, you will get things through the loot box mechanic that are at a cheaper rate than buying them through direct purchase. The Respawn team have been very, very thoughtful around this. They've look at a lot of great monetization strategies throughout the game industry. They've come at this with the opportunity to allow players to be able to play the entire game for free if they so choose, the direct purchase to get the things directly that they want if they so choose, or to use a loot box mechanic to experience that surprise and delight but have built in buffers and backups to ensure that players always receive something of value and that players aren't getting a whole bunch of duplicates through that system. I'm actually really proud of what the team has done, and I think what we're seeing from early feedback from players is that they're onto something really special that serves a wide variety of users. Again, we expect that many, many tens maybe, at some point hundreds of millions of people will have played this game, and it was important for them to think through it very deeply, so I'm proud of where they've got to.

Operator

Your next question comes from Mike Hickey from Benchmark.

Mike Hickey -- The Benchmark Company -- Senior Analyst, Equity Research

Hey, Blake, Andrew. Thanks for taking my question, guys. Appreciate it.

Blake J. Jorgensen -- Chief Operating Officer and Chief Financial Officer

You bet.

Mike Hickey -- The Benchmark Company -- Senior Analyst, Equity Research

First, I guess on Apex Legends, I guess congrats. What an awesome reveal. It's really hard to be surprised, and your marketing efforts there from Respawn were definitely exceptional but buzz is high. I guess it looks like Respawn also has a fair amount of work done on a content roadmap. Hopefully, that will sustain some engagement. But I'm curious how you think maybe longer term in extensions, mobile, Asia, Esports related to Apex and the battle royale genre. And also curious if you feel that there might be any tension between the Battlefield battle royale experience and the one that you just served with Apex Legends? Thanks.

Andrew Wilson -- Chief Executive Officer

Great questions. First is that Apex Legends has been built from the ground up with a view that it has the potential to engage and entertain hundreds of millions of players. And when you look at the game, and I was watching it being streamed earlier today, and it's mesmerizing to watch. When you watch great players like Ninja playing the game, it's pretty special and exciting to watch and one of the more exciting games I've ever had the fortune of viewing. And so, you can see very clearly as you watch and you play the game that there are going to be opportunities to take the game in different directions over time. Esports will almost certainly be part of that. Additional game modes, the impact of additional legends over time, great new content will have an impact. As I said earlier, we are looking at how to take the game to mobile and cross-play over time, and I also expect that this game will have tremendous value in Asia, and we're in conversations about that. Some of those conversations, as you might guess, are new. We took a very deliberate strategy around how to launch this game. Again, in a world where we have not executed as well on some things through the past six months as I would've liked, I think the development and marketing teams executed against this extraordinarily well and surprised a global industry. The development team was very cautious about building a completely different game and wanted to make sure by the time they launched this game into the marketplace, it would surprise and delight players and they'd be able to play it from Day 1. Our marketing team were also very conscious that when you start talking about the innovative nature of this game, the co-op play, the squad play, the in-game mechanics, the communication system, all the things that Respawn has done, that we wanted to be very careful not to tip our hat or show our hand to the competition in order to come out with a truly innovative and creative game. And we also knew that to break into what is a very competitive marketplace, we had to do something truly innovative with a launch. I think the teams have done a tremendous job there, and you should expect that we have very big and robust plans for this game and that we'll branch in a lot of different directions over time.

Blake J. Jorgensen -- Chief Operating Officer and Chief Financial Officer

Vince mentioned today in a tweet that they are planning on a premium product, we mentioned that today as well, later in our Fiscal 20 that continues to evolve the Titanfall universe, and I think there's a lot of exciting things on the roadmap that you'll learn more about in the coming months.

Andrew Wilson -- Chief Executive Officer

And to the second part of your question around Battlefield Firestorm, we're seeing these, while they sit inside the battle royale genre, are two very different types of experiences. What we have seen is the community who want to play these types of games is hundreds of millions of people strong. We think there is an opportunity to deliver the fast-paced play that is Apex Legends and where that game goes to a big part of the community and that also, the strategic play, the vehicle play, the things that are unique to a Battlefield battle royale mode will offer differentiation of play for a different part of that community and that at some level, there may also be some crossover. But given the size of the community, given the very different types of gameplay, even inside the battle royale genre, we believe those two modes can fit very well together in the community.

Mike Hickey -- The Benchmark Company -- Senior Analyst, Equity Research

Great. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it.

Blake J. Jorgensen -- Chief Operating Officer and Chief Financial Officer

All right, one more question?

Operator

Your last question comes from Tim O'Shea from Jefferies.

Tim O'Shea -- Jefferies -- Senior Vice President, Equity Research

So, thanks for squeezing me in. I'd just love to hear your thoughts on the pros and cons of free-to-play and how full-price games can perform in an environment where triple-A content is given away for free. You obviously mentioned the intense competition in looking at the Fiscal 19 outlook packaged goods, which seems like a decent proxy for full-price. It does imply a sharp stepdown here and just maybe a follow-up, but what do you think is the right mix of business models going forward? We've heard you articulate your vision around streaming, games being streamed from the cloud, we've heard you articulate a vision around subscriptions, and now you surprised us with this big free-to-play game. Thank you for the questions.

Blake J. Jorgensen -- Chief Operating Officer and Chief Financial Officer

I think remember, the packaged good decline is really just that digital shift and the shift toward more and more parts of our business having live services. I think the issue around free-to-play is to make a free-to-play game work well, you have to have a huge audience. We believe Apex has the potential of that, but there are many games out there that sell anywhere between 3 million and 7 or 8 million units that are very successful games, but those audiences aren't big enough to support a free-to-play game like you see in mobile, for example. Typical mobile games, we see 80-90 million downloads of a client. That's how you make a mobile game work and a free-to-play economics work. We always believe there's gonna be multiple models. There has been for many years. Asia's been primarily free-to-play, but big games and big marketplaces. But as you look at some of the more successful action-oriented games of this past year, like God of War or Spiderman, those are games that most likely aren't free-to-play style games because they're not big enough to sustain those types of economics. And we think people will wanna consume games in different ways, some through purchase, some through subscription, some through streaming purchase or streaming subscription, and some through free-to-play models across many different platforms. So, we think it's a great way to continue to grow the industry. We think Fortnite helped grow the industry and other free-to-play games, and this is an opportunity for us to try to participate in it.

Tim O'Shea -- Jefferies -- Senior Vice President, Equity Research

Thanks, Blake. And also -

Blake J. Jorgensen -- Chief Operating Officer and Chief Financial Officer

Go ahead.

Tim O'Shea -- Jefferies -- Senior Vice President, Equity Research

I was just gonna say thank you for the additional disclosure to this quarter.

Blake J. Jorgensen -- Chief Operating Officer and Chief Financial Officer

Good. Thanks. And I hope we get a chance to talk to everybody in the coming days, and I appreciate everybody's time today. We'll talk soon. Thank you.

Andrew Wilson -- Chief Executive Officer

Thank you.

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Operator

That concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.

Duration: 61 minutes

Call participants:

Chris Evenden -- Vice President of Investor Relations

Andrew Wilson -- Chief Executive Officer

Blake J. Jorgensen -- Chief Operating Officer and Chief Financial Officer

Mike Ng -- Goldman Sachs -- Equity Research Analyst

Justin Post -- Bank of America, Merrill Lynch -- Managing Director

Eric Handler -- MKM Partners -- Managing Director, Media & Entertainment Analyst

Andrew Uerkwitz -- Oppenheimer & Company -- Senior Analyst: Emerging Technology

Stephen Ju -- Credit Suisse -- Vice President

Jeff Cohen -- Stephens Inc. -- Equity Research Analyst

Ben Schachter -- Macquarie Group -- Senior Internet and Interactive Entertainment Analyst

Drew Crum -- Stifel Nicolaus-Research Analyst

Gerrick Johnson -- BMO Capital Markets -- Director, Equity Research Analyst

Mike Hickey -- The Benchmark Company -- Senior Analyst, Equity Research

Tim O'Shea -- Jefferies -- Senior Vice President, Equity Research

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