Q1 2024 Blue Bird Corp Earnings Call
Participants
Mark Benfield; Investor Relations; Blue Bird Corp
Phil Horlock; CEO & Director; Blue Bird Corp
Razvan Radulescu; Chief Financial Officer; Blue Bird Corp
Michael Shlisky; Analyst; D.A. Davidson & Co.
Eric Stine; Analyst; Craig-Hallum Capital Group LLC
Craig Irwin; Analyst; ROTH MKM Partners, LLC
Presentation
Operator
Hello, all, and welcome to the Blue Bird Corporation Fiscal 2024 first quarter earnings. My name is Lydia, and I will be your operator today. (Operator Instructions) I'll now hand you over to your host, Mark Benfield, Head of Investor Relations. To begin.
Mark Benfield
Thank you, and welcome to Blue Bird's Fiscal 2024 first quarter earnings conference call. The audio for our call is webcast live on blue dash bird.com under the Investor Relations tab. You can access the supporting slides on our website by clicking on the presentations box on our IR landing page. Our comments today include forward-looking statements that are subject to risks that could cause actual results to be materially different Those risks include, among others, matters. We have noted on the following two slides and in our filings with the SEC. Blue Bird disclaims any obligation to update the information in this call this afternoon, you will hear from Blue Bird's CEO, Phil Horlock, and CFO, Rajiv, on audio. As you said, we will take some questions. So let's use our film.
Phil Horlock
Well, thanks, Mark, and good afternoon, everybody. It's great to be here and to share with you our results for our fiscal 25st quarter. You'll recall that on our last earnings call, we reported record results for fiscal 23, fourth quarter and full year. Well, I'm pleased to tell you that our momentum has not slowed down at all with a bluebird team did a fantastic job in delivering another all-time record profits in the first quarter of fiscal 24. Ron will take you through the details of our financial results shortly.
So let me get started with the key takeaways for the first quarter on slide 6. As the headline says, we achieved record financial results in the first quarter of fiscal 24. As I just mentioned. And as shown on the first line in the box, it was a record adjusted EBITDA for any quarter in our history. And our net sales revenue was a record for any quarter in the first half of fiscal year. So with record professional revenue, I am very pleased to tell you that we achieved an all-time high adjusted EBITDA margin of 15% in the first quarter and we are increasing full year guidance once again.
In just a few minutes. Russell will take you through the financial details of what was an exceptional first quarter results for bluebird, including a comparison with last year. As we look at the drivers for this terrific progress in Q1, it really is about maintaining and delivering the plan we laid out last year, which focuses on making significant improvements across our entire business market. Demand for school buses continues to be very strong and our backlog for bluebird school buses was at a very healthy 4,600 units at the end of the first quarter. This bodes well for pricing, production stability and profit margins.
Now on supply chain issues are definitely easing. There are select constraints on a couple of chassis components across the truck and bus industry that are still limiting industry production and deliveries. But we are very engaged with those constraints, suppliers with on-site support their plans, and we are managing the situation well on that point, despite these component constraints, we sold 9% more school buses in the first quarter than a year ago.
As I mentioned last quarter, the legacy price backlog, which hurt us in fiscal 22 and in the first quarter of fiscal 23 is fully behind us. All of those low margin units have been sold. Every bus in our order backlog now reflects current pricing and we are priced competitively, which we can tell from our quote win rate and our incoming orders. This is an entirely different Blue Bird bus revenue and gross margin structure compared with just a year ago.
On the EV front, thanks largely to the first phase of the $1 billion of funding from the EPA's unprecedented $5 billion clean school bus program, our first quarter deliveries of electric buses was an all-time record in a quarter, more than doubling from a year ago. And we ended the first quarter with a strong backlog of EV orders. As we have done for many years, we again increased our sales mix of alternative powered vehicles over the last year and further strengthened our leadership position.
Higher margins and higher owner loyalty from these products contributed to our profit improvement in the first quarter. We'll continue to reinvest parts of the business by selectively upgrading facilities and processes, enhancing the plant working environments. And as resin will show you later, we are doubling our engineering spending this year as we embark and exciting new product programs that will hit the market in the next two to three years through the efforts of the best workforce in the business, strong leadership, lean process improvements and sheer hard work.
We have been achieving some of the best manufacturing performance the company has ever achieved bottom line with performed extremely well in a strong market while delivering a greater mix of higher margin. Alternative powered vehicles were priced competitively and appropriately for today's economic environment and manufacturing efficiencies are improving as a result of all these accomplishments, our first quarter profitability was an all-time record for bluebird at $48 million with an exceptional adjusted EBITDA margin of 15%.
Now let's take a closer look at the financial and key operating highlights for the first quarter. On slide 7, I want to begin by saying the first quarter financial performance is transformed from a year ago with many record highs reported. We sold over 2,100 buses in the first quarter of fiscal '24, which is substantial 9% or 172 buses above last year.
Incidentally, that is our highest first quarter unit sales volume in more than 15 years in what is typically a seasonally challenged quarter just for the start of the new school year. Those unit sales drove first quarter net revenue of $318 million. That's another first quarter sales record for bluebird and an outstanding 35% increase over last year.
So with volume of 9% and net revenue of 35%, the impact of higher pricing and a richer mix of alternative powered vehicles, including EVs, is clearly evident in the revenue growth. As I mentioned earlier, first quarter adjusted EBITDA of $48 million is another all-time record for bluebird, and that's $51 million above last year and well above the $25 million to $35 million general guidance range for quarterly profits that we set at our last earnings call.
And finally, adjusted free cash flow for the first quarter was about breakeven as we protected our future material needs and $21 million below last year when in fiscal '23 we were aggressively cutting excess inventory left from the prior quarter. Lasan will cover this topic in detail in his section.
Overall with exceptional first quarter financial results and transformational gains from last year. On the right-hand side of the slide, you can see some of the key operating highlights for the business. As I mentioned earlier, demand continues to be strong with our firm order backlog at the end of the first quarter with over $670 million in net revenue, reflecting a backlog of over 4,600 buses.
Incidentally, as of Monday, this week, our backlog has grown to 5,000 buses. So orders clearly have slowed down as we enter the traditional seasonal order cycle for school districts and fleet operators we raised prices considerably over the past two years. And the average first selling price per bus in fiscal '24 was an outstanding 26% higher than a year ago. That's worth about $29,000 per bus in revenue.
Part sales totaled $24 million in Q1, representing a strong 8% growth over last year in the typically slowest quarter of the year for part sales, another great result by the Parts team.
Turning to alternative powered buses, they represented our second highest mix of sales in any quarter at 66% of total unit sales, and that's four percentage points higher than last year. We continue to be the undisputed leader in this space. No other major school bus manufacturer comes close to that number.
Incidentally, I would be remiss if I did mention that our principal competitors, ICM Thomas, are no longer offering the propane or gasoline-powered school bus, and we are once again, the only OEM supplier, these important products, EV buses were part of the alternative power mix growth with Q1 bookings increasing by 124% over last year as we sold a quarterly record of 206 EV school buses. That represents an all-time high mix at 10% of our total sales.
Additionally, we left the first quarter with [420] firm EV orders in our backlog, which is around a 9% share of our total backlog. That's worth approximately $130 million in revenue. Incidentally, that backlog today is now at 500 EVs, representing 10% of our total current backlog.
Clearly, we're benefiting substantially from the $1 billion funding from the first phase of the EPA's $5 billion clean school bus program. I'll cover later the exciting news on the second phase of the recently announced EPA funding, which is higher than was expected and will generate significant EV and propane school bus awards in the first half of 2024 calendar year.
Continuing with our EV successes, I am incredibly proud that during the first quarter fiscal 24, we received the largest single order ever of EB. school buses from L.A. Unified School District following a competitive bidding process. That's 180 buses in total with deliveries starting late this calendar year. And importantly, this order did not utilize the EPA's clean school bus funding program. That's a great testament to our competitiveness and to our leadership position in the EV segment.
Late in the first quarter of fiscal '24, we announced that we have formed an exclusive joint venture called Clean bus solutions. That's a 50-50 JV with generate capital, who is a leading sustainable investment and operating company focused on infrastructure transition. Clean bus solutions will provide electric school buses and charging infrastructure as a service to bluebird customers for an affordable monthly fee over the lifetime of the service. This turnkey service eliminates a typical high upfront cost for school district and pay for electric bus when grants are limited and handles the entire charging infrastructure, including installation. This recurring revenue business should accelerate adoption of Blue Bird electric buses by school districts and will be a great new sales tool for our dealers. We'll keep you posted on progress through the coming year as clean bus solutions begins to transact business.
And finally, on the back of our first quarter results, we are once again raising full year guidance for adjusted EBITDA and adjusted free cash flow. With an all-time record profit earned in Q1, reflecting a 15% adjusted EBITDA margin, I am very proud of our team's accomplishments.
I would now like to hand it over to Russ van to walk through our fiscal 25st quarter financial results and updated guidance in more detail over to your residents.
Razvan Radulescu
Thanks, Phil, and good afternoon. It's my pleasure to share with you the financial highlights from Blue Bird's Fiscal 2024 first quarter record results. The quarter end is based on a close date of December 30th, 2023 quarter of the prior year was based on a close date of December 31st, 2022.
We will file the 10 Q today, February seventh after market close. Our 10 Q includes additional material and disclosures regarding our business and financial performance. We encourage you to read the 10 Q and the important disclosures that it contains. The appendix attached to today's presentation includes reconciliations of differences between GAAP and non-GAAP measures mentioned on this call as well as other important disclaimers.
Slide 9 is a summary of the fiscal 25st quarter record results. It was another outstanding operating quarter for bluebird with somewhat limited supply chain challenges and with an increased number of higher margin units, driving both our top line and our bottom line results, we significantly beat the adjusted EBITDA general quarterly guidance provided in the last earnings call. And in fact, we delivered against the best quarter ever for bluebird with 15% adjusted EBITDA margin.
The team pushed hard and continued doing a fantastic job and generated 2,129 unit sales volume, which was 172 units or 9% higher than prior year. Record Q1 consolidated net revenue of $318 million was $82 million or 35% higher than prior year, driven by a higher number of units. Higher parts sales improved mix of electric buses and pricing actions that materialized in this quarter as expected.
Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was a record $48 million, driven by high margins, increased parts sales and margins, partly offset by increased labor costs. The adjusted free cash flow was negative $2 million and $21 million lower than the prior year first quarter. This result was due to increased profitability, which was more than offset by an increase in strategic inventories for long-lead components, a reduction in accounts payable and a reduction in the EPA prepaid received in fiscal 23 Q4.
Our liquidity position at the end of this quarter was very strong at $184 million. This performance was outstanding for both the top line and the bottom line for all-time record for the Q1 quarterly revenue of $318 million, all-time record for quarterly EV sales above 200 units, an all-time record for quarterly adjusted EBITDA of $48 million and 15%.
Moving on to Slide 10. As mentioned before, by field, our backlog at the end of Q1 continues to be very strong at approximately 4,600 units, including 9% EV. Breaking down the record Q1 $318 million in revenues into our two business segments. The bus net revenue was $293 million, up by $80 million versus prior year. Our average bus revenue per unit increased from $109,000 to $138,000 or 26%, which was largely the result of pricing actions taken over the past 18 months as well as a higher mix of electric buses.
EV sales in Q1 were also at a record level of 206 units or 114 more than last year, a 124% increase year over year. We'd like to remind you that we have announced in this fiscal year two price increases for new orders one in last October and one for the end of March of $2,500 net per bus each in order to cover inflationary cost factors and significant long-term strategic investments.
Parts revenue for the quarter was $24 million, representing a growth of approximately $2 million or plus 8% compared to the prior year. This great performance was in part due to increased demand for our parts of the fleet is aging as well as supply chain driven pricing actions and throughput improvements. Please also keep in mind that due to year-end holidays and Thanksgiving, our fiscal Q1 has a lower number of work weeks. However, this year, due to the very strong backlog and improved supply chain situation were able to maintain production levels and did not take the pre-COVID usual extended plant shutdown.
Gross margin for the quarter was a record 20% or 17 percentage points higher than last year due to our improved operational performance and our pricing overtaking in the last two quarters, say inflationary costs of the last 18 plus months.
In fiscal 24 Q1, adjusted net income was approximately $30 million or $40 million higher than last year. Adjusted EBITDA of approximately $48 million or 15% was up compared with prior year by $51 million and 17 percentage points. Adjusted diluted earnings per share of $0.91 was up $1.21 versus the prior year.
Slide 11 shows the walk from fiscal '23 Q1 adjusted EBITDA for the fiscal 2014 Q1 results. Starting on the left of negative $3.5 million, the impact of the bus segment gross profit in total was $55 million, split between volume and pricing effects. Net of material cost increases of $48.6 million and operational improvements of $6.4 million. The operational improvements consist of year-over-year manufacturing efficiency and throughput improvements as well as lower freight in costs favorable development.
In the power segment gross profit was $1.1 million, driven by higher sales and improved margins. As mentioned earlier in the call, these great improvements were slightly offset by increases in our other expenses and fixed costs, mainly personnel related of negative $5 million as we continue to reinvest into our business and our teams during fiscal 24. The sum total of all of the above mentioned development drives our record fiscal '24 and reported adjusted EBITDA result of $47.6 million or 15%.
Moving on to slide 12, we have extremely positive development year-over-year also on the balance sheet. We ended the quarter with $77 million in cash and reduced our debt significantly by close to $15 million over the last four quarters or liquidities and very strong at a record $184 million by the end of fiscal 20 for Q1, a $100 million increase compared to a year ago.
The operating cash flow was a black zero in this quarter, driven by an improvement in operations and margins, which was fully offset by an increase in trade working capital through lower payables and higher strategic inventories for reduction of our EPA prepaid balance and a seasonal reduction in other accrued expenses.
Moving to Slide 13, as mentioned in our last call, at the end of November 2023, we refinanced our credit facility at significant better terms with a five-year maturity date from November 2028. The new structure consists of a $100 million term loan with 5% per year amortization and the new revolver line of credit of $150 million. The reduced covenants and extended maturity of our loan provide bluebird with both flexibility and stability as our business grows profitably, and we continue to lead the school bus industry in the alternative fuel space.
Slide 14 shows the sustainable results achieved by our team over the last four quarters, generating almost $140 million in adjusted EBITDA or 11%. Our quarterly revenues have been in the $300 million range and growing partially due to pricing realization combined with a quarter-by-quarter increase in easy mix which is now at approximately 10% of our sales.
We have beat and raise our conservative guidance every quarter due to the outstanding execution of our plans by our teams. Despite the still difficult supply chain environment with select suppliers. The last three quarters have been in the 10%-plus adjusted EBITDA range, demonstrating that we are delivering now consistently double digit performance.
Finally, it is important to note that unlike in the not too distant past, our pricing curve has been ahead of our cost curve, especially in the last two quarters, preparing us for the significant investments lined up for 2024 and the contractual inflation factors Factive ahead of us.
Before we talk about the updated guidance for fiscal 24 and our long-term outlook on Slide 15, we want to share with you again, some significant investments that are starting in fiscal 24 to ensure that our profitable growth strategy is successful our engineering expenses planned for fiscal 24 are double the level of fiscal 23 as we began the integration work for the next-generation of Ford gas and propane engines for the next level of emission regulations.
Additionally, we continue to evolve our EV offering and planned new product safety enhancement features. Finally, we will continue to ramp up our investment in bringing to market the commercial EV chassis by the end of calendar 2024. We are also planning to triple our capital investments into capacity expansion, production facility, upgrade, quality improvements and our supply chain capability and tooling towards our target of 50 buses per day for approximately 12,000 buses per year.
On the people side, we experienced inflationary pressures both externally from our supply base and internally, and they continue to provide very competitive benefits to our employees. We are also launching later this year a complexity reduction initiative, and we will begin the upgrade of our ERP system as well as modernization of our business intelligence and financial planning and analysis tools. All this cost combined can add up to 2% to 3% of our revenue on a run-rate basis later in fiscal 24 and beyond.
On slide 16, we want to share with you our updated fiscal 24 guidance. As a reminder, we are continuing to take a transparent and conservative approach also this year, but it is still a somewhat uncertain supply chain environment we are facing. However, we have improved already all the other business levers that we could address has now demonstrated by our very strong trailing 12 months actual results.
Looking forward with fiscal 24, we are maintaining our revenue to a range of $1.15 billion to $1.25 billion. And we are significantly increasing our adjusted EBITDA to $130 million or approximately 11% with a range of $120 million to $140 million. This is an increase of almost 50% over the prior year record results.
Due to supply chain volatility, at this point, we are only providing and maintaining our general quarterly ranges. With every remaining fiscal 24th quarter expected to have revenue between $275 million to $325 million and adjusted EBITDA in the range of $25 million to $35 million or 9% to 11%. We will provide further updates in mid-May of sorry, close to two and gather further insight into our supply chain capabilities to support our strong backlog and increasing easy mix.
Moving to Slide 17. In summary, we are forecasting a significant improvement year-over-year with revenue up 6% to approximately $1.2 billion, adjusted EBITDA in the range of $120 million to $140 million and adjusted free cash flow of $60 million to $70 million, in line with our typical target of 50% of adjusted EBITDA.
On Slide 13, we'd like to give you an overview of our capital allocation for fiscal 24 and the exciting share repurchase program. We recently announced our capital allocation strategy balances investments for long-term profitable growth, return of value to our shareholders and maintain a conservative cash position by year end.
On the left side, our sources of cash consists of a very strong cash flow from operations after tax and interest of $148 million, existing cash of fiscal 23 year end of $77 million and $5 million in dividends from our joint venture with MicroPort.
We do not expect to add new debt this year. On the right side, we have three uses of cash growth, shareholders and debt repayments as far as growth is concerned, we plan to use or not take $25 million in each of these categories, R&D and engineering expenses, CapEx for growth and maintenance and funding, our newly formed team bus solutions JV combined with potentially other small M&A activities.
Moving on to shareholders category, we are very happy to have announced recently our stock buyback program for up to $60 million over the next two years. This is supported by our strong existing cash and free cash flow guidance, and we believe it is the best way at this point to return value to our shareholders.
Finally, in addition to the required term loan principal payment of $5 million, we plan to pay down the $35 million existing revolver balance to zero during fiscal '24 and maintain a conservative cash balance at year end in excess of $50 million.
On slide 19, we wanted to also reiterate our long-term outlook, say 11% adjusted EBITDA margin is firmly now in our updated short-term outlook and water supply chain further normalizes, we expect to sell approximately 9,500 units, including 1,500 units EVs and generate $150 million or $[1.35 billion] in revenues. This could be as early as 2025.
Looking to the medium term, our EV growth and operational improvements can support volumes of 10,500 to 11,000 units, including EVs in the range of 2,500 to 3,500 units, generating revenues of $1.5 billion to $1.7 billion, with adjusted EBITDA of $175 million to $200 million or 11.5% to 12%.
Our long-term target remains to drive profitable growth towards approximately $2 billion in revenue, comprising of up to 12,000 units, of which up to 5,000 ROVs and generate EBITDA in excess of $250 million for 12.5% plus. We are incredibly excited about bluebird future and now I'll turn it back over to Phil.
Phil Horlock
Thanks for us, and that was a great explanation of our Q1 financial results and our outlook question and move on to Slide 21. I introduced this slide at our last earnings call. So I won't spend as much time on it today as our priorities and our strategy are unchanged as they should be.
The chart on the left illustrates the three priorities that continue to drive us taking care of our employees, delighting our customers and dealers and delivering profitable growth.
The chart on the right provides more texture around the specific strategies that we are pursuing that both align with our priorities and drive our 4G growth plans at the center is our ultimate objective to drive sustained profitable growth.
As you look at the accomplishments in fiscal 23 we transformed the business from losses to record profitability, achieving a full year margin of 8%. For fiscal 24, we just increased our full year earnings guidance to reflect an 11% adjusted EBITDA margin that over the next couple of years, we plan to grow that margin 12%. And then beyond.
Our specific strategies, folks have delivered these financial goals and as spelled out in this chart, namely leadership in safety, both in the workplace and with our products, is paramount to us. And we are investing both engineering and CapEx in these areas in fiscal 24 best products and features we seek to differentiate ourselves providing more value to our customers. Our buses are purpose-built from the ground up for transporting children safely with many unique features than other derivative of a truck chassis like most of our competitors. And our customers understand the value of this leading in quality, durability and alternative power is the cornerstone of our product planning and development, and we will continue to differentiate in these areas having competitive costs through lean manufacturing and efficient throughput, strong supplier relationships and sheer smart product design are essential to compete in a business where competitive bids are required. And after the sale, we need to provide great service and ensure vehicle uptime throughout the 50 years or more that our buses need to run. This means partnering with our exclusive dealer network that covers every corner of the United States and Canada with our dealers having an average tenure with us of over 30 years. As I have said many times before on these calls, you can't make it in the school bus business without a fully capable and experienced dealer network that can reach more than 10,000 school districts that operate their own bus fleets and 3,400 independent owner operators of school buses. Following these core strategies have been key to our transformation and will continue to drive our forward year plans.
Let's now turn to slide 22 and look at the latest impact of the federal government's clean school bus funding program, which is so important in helping us accelerate the adoption of electric and propane vehicles in fiscal 24 and beyond. As a reminder, we are just entering the 2nd year of this five-year program, which provides $5 billion of funding of electric and propane public school buses.
We still have a $4 billion available after the 1st year of funding. The 2nd year, which referred to by the EPA as a 2023 program, provides for two rounds of funding totaling at least $1.5 billion. Now that's about $[500] million more than was anticipated. And it appears to be acceleration by the EPA to deploy the $5 billion in total funding.
As the left chart shows run to application from 23 grant program was completed in August 23. And in January 24, the EPA announced they were increasing the funding for $400 million to $965 million due to the high level of grant applications. A total of 27 and 37 electric and propane buses were awarded and the winners will have until December 25 to purchase their buses. Using these awards, we expect Blue Bird buses to represent around 30% of the ultimate orders amount to approximately 800 electric and propane school buses through this program.
Moving to the right chart immediately after announcing the ramp to award results, the EPA announced this ran three rebate program, which is also part of the 23 program will now total at least $500 million. Applications are being accepted until a week from now.
It's anticipated that award winners will be notified by May 2024 and will have until April 2026 to purchase buses and close out their awards. If our win rate holds at about 30%, bluebird should expect to receive around 450 electric and propane school bus orders from this third round. Together, both of these funding rounds should generate orders for at least 4,300 electric and propane school buses and associated infrastructure, which is great for the industry and particularly for bluebird with about 1,250 orders anticipated.
Now what the deadline for purchase from grants from these two rounds being as late as April 26. There is a likelihood that orders and corresponding deliveries could be late than we have been anticipating pushing back deliveries into fiscal 2025 as end customers deal. First, with the charging infrastructure needs, we will work with our dealers and customers to pull as many as we can into fiscal 2024. But the prudency, we have cut our EV bookings forecast for this year from 900 units to 800 units.
So let me now wrap up the earnings call and the outlook for the business on slide 23, rather than talking through the raised guidance for fiscal 24. And I'm showing you some of those metrics at the midpoint of guidance here, we are being prudent on our bookings outlook only increasing volume by 3% over fiscal 23 at this time, as we still deal with two specific supplies of constrained chassis components that are impacting the broader truck and bus industry.
But we do manage these very well in 23. And if we can build more in fiscal 24, we will, just as we did last year. Net revenue of $1.2 billion will be a new record for bluebird, up 6% from fiscal 23. Adjusted EBITDA guidance of $130 million is almost 50% higher than the record $88 million we delivered in fiscal 23. Importantly, we are planning on an 11% EBITDA margin in fiscal 24, up 3 percentage points from fiscal 23, which is a couple of years ahead of the plan.
We had been sharing with you, we have confidence in achieving this margin after recording an impressive 15% adjusted EBITDA margin in the first quarter of fiscal 24. It should be noted that the first quarter did benefit from an exceptionally high mix of EVs at 10% of unit sales within a strong total mix of alternative fuel vehicles at 66% of sales.
Now this mix may not repeat through all quarters, especially with extended time granted by the EPA for customers to complete their purchase and deployment of the new EV funding awards that I mentioned earlier, you remember that's as late as April 2020 seeks to get them in service further, as RasBank pointed out, we are doubling engineering work in fiscal 24 in support of new product programs, which is contained in our 11% margin outlook for fiscal 24 full year, along with the potential economic impact of our first collective bargaining agreement with the USW that's expected later in the year.
Finally, as I mentioned earlier, we're looking to grow EV unit sales to 800 buses in fiscal 24 that's substantial 47% increase overall sales last year. As you can see on the right chart, there are still a lot of pent-up demand owing to lower sales in 2020 21 and 22 and the bus fleet age by a couple of years. Act is forecasting a compound annual industry growth rate of 7% from the end of fiscal 23 through fiscal 2017. And that's great news for our business and is great news for our profit outlook with residual supply chain challenges still impacting the auto business the ability to build all the units near term is not a given. So the demand is clearly there, and that's what's really important after executing a substantial transformation across our business.
The Company is performing extremely well, will continue to improve operating performance and look forward to sustained profitable growth and the robust market ahead. On that note, as RasBank covered in his section. Our recently announced $60 million share repurchase program illustrates our confidence in the business outlook, our ability to generate cash and our commitment to drive shareholder value. The future is incredibly bright for bluebird, and we're confident that people have been our long-term goal of 12% EBITDA margin for the next couple of years.
I want to thank our nearly 2000 employees for all the hard work and dedication in delivering our all-time record quarterly profit in Q1 on top of a record full year profit last year, as well as our expanding dealer body are critical to our success.
That concludes our formal presentation today.
It elegantly back to our moderator for the Q&A session. Thank you.
Question and Answer Session
Operator
Thank you. (Operator Instructions) Mike Shlisky of DA Davidson. Your line is open, please.
Michael Shlisky
Yes, hi, good afternoon and thanks for taking my question on type, I guess I wanted to ask first about flow there. Just I guess I wanted to ask first about the quarterly outlook that you put out there. You've communicated from last quarter that the lowest quarter of the year will be [$275 million]. You just put up a quarter of $318 million in your fiscal first quarter, which I believe is usually that the least revenue just given because of the because of the school calendar in most fiscal years. I'm having a hard time figuring out and I do recognize that there was some EVs in their fleet and trying to back out the price effect of EVs. It's hard to imagine if the rest of the year typically from a unit level, whether it's EV or ICE, if they're usually up in the first quarter, you having a quarter of this year is [$275 million]. I'm curious, is there anything on the calendar or schedule that we should be thinking about here, but I'm missing that would cause you to have a quarter, we have you have top line of about [$275 million] as high-margin as there was one.
Razvan Radulescu
And thank you for the question. So regarding the seasonality of Q1. So before COVID, indeed, this was the lowest revenue and lower number of units because historically, we took extended shutdowns for the plant and to do so extended maintenance work, but also because at that time, the order backlog was very low after the start of the school year. And so as I mentioned in my remarks, this year, we were managed. We're confident we are maintain the speed of production, and we did not take an extended shutdown.
So we only took a couple of days around Christmas and Thanksgiving break so we did have indeed the more working days in this Q1 than ever before. Look, in terms of the remaining quarters, we are we want to be conservative in our revenue guidance. And as I said, a supply chain still has some constraints, especially those two particular suppliers. So should the supply of part be lower than the midpoint. This is how we might get to a lower quarter below $300 million, whether it comes through the total number of buses or through the percent of easy inside that number.
Michael Shlisky
Okay. And just to follow-up there. Do you have any planned shutdown for the rest of the year, just to kind of make up what you couldn't do in the first quarter or we just going to go forward think about Nextel is like.
Phil Horlock
Hey, Mike, this is Phil here. I'll just take that. I mean, we're able to flex up if we can later in the year. I know I mentioned on my comments first to like we did last year, we can build more. We will build more, and that's where we stand and D&O, but we're being a little conservative. We're very active with a couple of constraints. Suppliers. As we mentioned, there are really great, obviously, throughput through the first quarter. We're just being a bit prudent in the in the balance of the year at this point.
Michael Shlisky
Great, great. And it is fair to say that you also had growth in the sale and the unit sales during the quarter two, that was exciting. It doesn't appear to be I know some of your competitors had growth in vehicle sales in the quarter. Can you maybe comment on some of bluebird's market share, you think you're gaining share and if you can give you two answers why bottom line is that it would be appreciated.
Razvan Radulescu
Well, we don't tend to talk too much about share. I mean, we definitely have gained some share over the last trailing 12 months, obviously in the fiscal years, the short timeframe now and things change and different to you know, we're just entering the what we call the bigger order season, frankly, when people ramp up and start thinking about buses for school start. But I'd say our share is strong is holding well, a lot of activity, a lot of interest I mentioned about a win rate and order rate supports a strong demand. So I think we're feeling that we're confident of what we're saying. I mean, we we have great faith in our ability and the great product range to this very expensive. And you know, I talk many times about known as the product range we've got from electric propane to gas to diesel on type two and type A's were on type season Type D. So we got by far the best product range. So we're confident in our we're confident in our outlook and what we're doing.
Michael Shlisky
Great. And maybe one last one for me on fee increased engineering costs. But you mentioned $25 million, maybe a little less than that. And that roughly equates to about two points of margin on this year's guidance.
So could you maybe tell us do you think that it sounds like without that UBS EBITDA margins of perhaps 13% this year, all these one-time costs and the Yahoo or see a flat year next year. Just as a thought experiment, you should be seeing a 13% EBITDA margin business down 11%. EBITDA margins is in a more normalized on engineering investment environment?
Razvan Radulescu
Yes, Mike, thanks for the questions, Suraj one. So the actual The year-over-year increase is $12.5 million, so it doubled to $25 million. So that's about 1% of sales on a year-over-year basis, and we do expect to maintain this elevated level for the next couple of years. Some of these projects are multi-year projects, especially with powertrain and some other product enhancements. So for the next couple of years, we will see in this level thereabout.
Operator
Eric Stine, Craig-Hallum.
Eric Stine
Yes, everyone, thanks for taking the questions on. Well, first of all, having covered you for a long time to see almost $50 million in the EBITDA in the first quarter is quite something. And with that in mind, as I think about the remainder of the year and you just touched on it, but maybe I'll ask it a different way or clarify. So Phil, were you saying that you can price increases and now you're actually a little bit ahead of where you see materials costs go, if that is the case, is that something where you think maybe EBITDA is more skewed towards the first half? And the second, I guess I'll start.
Phil Horlock
Yes, yes, I think rather than talk to that in his script, so I'll just let you want to just jump in here on this new hire, and thanks for the question.
Razvan Radulescu
So as I mentioned in my remarks, indeed, our pricing curve is now Head of the costing costing curve, especially for the last two quarters and also highlighted the with the upcoming investments whether it's on the product and powertrain and R&D, whether it's into CapEx and manufacturing capabilities, which includes also a component of NRE are in there, whether it's inflation from the supply chain or on the people side, all these costs are coming mostly starting in Q2 and through Q3 and Q4. So the costs are back-end loaded and the pricing curve is now let's say, almost maximized for the year. So indeed, we do expect somewhat lower EBITDA in Q2 to Q4 compared to Q1.
Phil Horlock
You'll recall you'll recall what we said, Eric, was that we priced -- so we price $2,500 and every bus fixed price in October start of our fiscal year. And then we price against six months later, we will be another pretty pricey because we'll go on dealers know about it. They have it accepted at Honda.
We when we when we bid with our dealers, we look at every single bid we do. We have opportunity to adjust the price up or adjust it down as we see fit with our dealers. But we're keeping a really close really, really close tabs on this. And I think I'd rather than explain it just we've used the term conservative in our outlook for the rest of the year and will continue to be so because you can never know what happens in a constrained environment we're still dealing with. So I think the position we're in right now is a good place to be fast.
Eric Stine
And I can appreciate being conservative given all that's going on. Maybe just turning to the EQEPA. funding you mentioned well, first of all, good to see that the deadlines to actually get the funding that that's been closed out. I know for round one, that infrastructure was a big issue. I mean, as you think about trying to pull things as much as you can forward into fiscal 24, where do you think things stand on the infrastructure side? Is that still a limiting factor if you see that easing at all?
Phil Horlock
Yes. I think it definitely is I think, look, I think everyone is getting better at it. We are we are active with several infrastructure providers, but I think certainly the pace of activity in the 1st year of this call to few by surprise, you know, they weren't quite ready for the utility companies. All the charging equipment was in the right place and actually, I think I've mentioned on last call, we have we had less than one of those three vehicles were canceled. Others had a lot of cancellations because they were not ready and they just pulled out big. And I think that's really the gating factor I was mentioning one has been a little cautious and look, SEC would second half of this year we've got awards being granted and given to people for both these rounds Lester by May, and then they've got until April of 26 for the endpoint, I wish to install these buses and they're going to work on charging stations first, it feels like to me and we're helping them and we'll look at on the charges they need. But obviously, it could well push back a little bit when they want. Their buses are not going to get buses before they know they've got charging stations in place, and that's the challenge.
Now for all of us in this industry to help that and move it along. But again, it's the fantastic news. Epa stepped up this round two and round three to $1.5 billion with obviously $1 billion for the year to $1.5 billion for the year. So they have extended the timeframe.
Now, like I said before, we're going to do everything we can to accelerate our deployment because we like doing that piece the right thing to do, but what would the charging guys? We work with and others? And we work with our end customers to help them.
Eric Stine
Got it. That's helpful. And then maybe last one for me. Just on the clean bus Solutions joint venture. Just curious early returns on that? And is that something where you would expect? I mean, do you see people waiting to see if the EPA are able to get either grants or rebates, if not, then they turn to the joint venture on that financing solution? Or do you think that that's not necessarily the case and that people go that route regardless this time into a monthly cost that's similar to diesel?
Phil Horlock
Yes. Look, I look at it this way from. First of all, obviously, EPA grants are really exciting, whether a farmer thousand school buses on the road and we're talking about funding probably [300] with this next round. So there's a huge appetite and huge over-subscription of school districts want electric buses. That's why they stepped up this from $1 billion to $1.5 billion. So the EPA is there's a big demand is what I'm saying. So definitely outside of this and outside of the EPA money and there are other grounds to run by the weather, things we call HBF. and T. There have been different state, but this clean bus lose because the chance for really affordable, gather the upfront sticker shock of NEV get installed linear business quickly in your district bill quickly. So we are very excited about that. So they go hand in hand, frankly, I mean, obviously, the EPA is such a tremendous opportunities accelerate, but I brought clean bus solutions that activity to we've got a ton of interest in it from our dealers and their customers and we'll just keep working that through the year here and let you know when we get out transactions start hitting, yes.
Operator
Craig Irwin, Roth MKM.
Craig Irwin
good evening, gentlemen. Congratulations on the really strong quarter, right? So even coming definitely feel much deserved, even even coming into the quarter, there was there was quite a lot of interest around the gross margin trajectory, and you gave us another really chunky number this quarter on can you maybe talk a little bit about the retreat of your your competition, the other major school bus OEMs retreating from the alternative fuel markets and how this could impact your gross margins in the conventional business of the business where you've excelled over the last many years? And does this impact the longer-term potential margin trajectory for bluebird? And then how should we will be looking at EV mix and the impact on margins over the next couple of quarters. This may be part of the the conservatism that you're giving us in the forward EBITDA guidance comments.
Phil Horlock
With that, Craig, this is Phil here one and I'll kick off that firm. I don't really like to comment on what our competition is doing. What I do know is that we bid together on state bids. We attend different conferences and with their together and they're no longer offering the product, they were both offering the propane and gasoline. They just got a diesel and electric offering in the marketplace. All I can tell you is we pick a different competitor right now, 13th 14th year, actually now with an exclusive with Ford and Roche, which is pretty strong relationship. We have there with a company called PSI and no longer offering it.
So I'll defer to them and why they did that obviously is exciting for us. We are the leaders in this space. You look at our mix of our fuel vehicles. It's been over 60%. Our Power, as I call it alternative diesel for us for quite a while now, our competition's footprint has been quite different even with that powertrain that they had. And so yes, we're excited about the opt-in that brings because our propane, we know is ultra-low emissions is a great product. I guess this is this, I guess, a great rebate and a grant from the CPA fund to make it very attractive or grant other grants around to support it. It's a terrific product along with a low, get a low maintenance gasoline product that's super expensive to run.
So you know, you put that together, we feel in good shape. I'm not going to commit on. I see big share growth here, but I can tell you obviously not surprising. We're looking at who's driving those buses today and what we can do for them. So I mean that's that's really important.
I think on the if I can move to the EV mix side, it's a difficult one to predict. I mean, obviously 10% mix in the first quarter. We got terms of mix in our current backlog. We're talking about 800 now on a volume of sort of 8,750. We're looking at midpoints or more at 9% in total for the year. And we'll just wait to see a big piece that will be the EPA grants. I'm just a little cautious on how quickly those awards when the given how quickly the auto is going to come in as quickly. We can build them for Taltz, and that's driven by two to one. Do they want it and when can we build it? I mean there are still constraints in the in the battery business. You know, there's no one battery manufacturer out there building packs. I can say I can build it. It's anyone at whatever pace you want.
One recently dropped out, if you like in oh five going on there with Proterra. So I mean it doesn't affect us, but nevertheless, you know, it is a sign of things that are happening in the industry. So I think we're being a little prudent right now and probably looking at, as I've laid out [808] -- 8,750 total volume, probably at 8% to 9% mix for the balance of the year. If we can build or if we get more orders and we certainly will it is a priority for us for the margins on those products. Obviously, customers are one, they're the best product in the market.
So that's about where we are. Craig, I hope that answers your question.
Craig Irwin
That's very helpful. Thank you, Phil. So my next question is around your expectations. You put in the presentation around the EPA's clean school bus program, round two and round three, the 30% win rate is dramatically lower than your long-term share in the alternative fuels market. And it really is mostly the same people the same group, but EPA that's handling on the the awards the vouchers and for the adoption of EV school buses, this this this funding opportunity for those that are so important, you've done way better than 30% of them.
Can you maybe talk a little bit about, you know, whether or not you think that the EPA is under pressure to share this between different OEMs on if there's maybe just factors in the market that you're considering with knowledge of different programs and different commitments from customers? And why 30%, I guess is the question I'm asking you.
Phil Horlock
Yes, why why 30%, is sort of a target we've put out there. There's a lot of activity around this. And when you look at who's bidding, I mean, we know it's ourselves and our major competitor IC and Thomas Wei, Rambus BYD.
Gary, what you know, these guys you cover them all. They're all in there hadn't really penetrated our business of school buses. You know, significantly, not the newer guys. If you look at in totality, it is the big three, so to speak, right? We tend to get the bulk of the business, but I think right now.
I don't I don't see the EPA's target in share in this. They're not looking at it from there are when you look at the last grant round and while we got a lot of decisions that this is the one I'm talking now. The 23 grant that we called it rounded a that was just announced. You know, we sort of know where we stand on that so far and for a lot of fleet customers ones from a large and they'll be choosing their own buses, a lot of school districts that we traditionally haven't sold to, but a lot of awards other fleet operators, I'm talking about the out of the likes of we all know them right for student and ECSTA., they got awards. So obviously, they haven't selected which bus they're going to use yet as such. So we're being a little prudent, right? I mean 30% and a good target to go for.
Love to see us beat. It would definitely be today. Looking at our market share, I can see where we are, but this is a this is on February to apply. And obviously, all these manufacturers have put in applications. All these dealers are putting applications and I-many's and customers as possible upon demand. So we haven't got captive to ourselves. This is sort of broad network of all those districts and operators out there. What we got to make sure is all dry and do our best to make sure they picked our buses and that's what we're going to Cresco is going to work, but we put 30% as a target.
Craig Irwin
Thank you, sir. My last question is really one of clarification. The 180 buses from LA. United Water wind right now, EPA funding behind that, and it's really just state and local funding. So a really strong win. Are those 180 units included in the four 20 that you you said was in backlog at the end of December? Or is that incremental to the DEV. school bus backlog, there were no, there were not in the backlog.
They went and did the backlog at the end of the year, the 420 number, correct. They were in that number. Correct.
Operator
We have no further questions in the queue, so I'll turn the call back over to Phil Hall for any closing remarks?
Phil Horlock
Well, thank you, Lydia, and thanks, everyone, for joining us on the call today. We do appreciate your continued interest in Blue Bird, and we look forward to updating you again on our progress next quarter.
Just I guess a couple of comments I want to make I think last year you saw a momentum increasing throughout the year as profitability improved as we move through the quarters. And we have continued on the same path by delivering impressive all-time record quarterly profit in the first quarter of fiscal 24 and with that solid base behind us. Let's well why we raised our guidance once again projecting a full-year adjusted EBITDA margin of 11% for fiscal 24.
As a reminder, is up a full three percentage points above last year's, then record profitability level. And we're confident in getting to a 12% margin in a couple of years as industry supply chain constraints continue to ease and we keep growing our business.
So with that said, if you have any further questions, please don't hesitate to follow-up with our Head of Investor Relations. Mark Benfield. And thanks again for all of you for joining us today at Blue Bird and have a great evening.
Operator
This concludes today's call. Thank you for joining. You may now disconnect your lines.
