Q1 2024 Coda Octopus Group Inc Earnings Call
Participants
Jackie Keshner; IR; Gateway Group, Inc
Annmarie Gayle; Chairwoman & CEO; Coda Octopus Group, Inc.
Gayle Jardine; Interim CFO; Coda Octopus Group, Inc.
Brian Kinstlinger; Analyst; Alliance Global Partners
Presentation
Operator
Good morning. Welcome to Coda Octopus Group's first quarter 2024 earnings conference call. My name is Sherry and I will be your operator today. Before this call, CODA Octopus issued its financial results for the first-quarter 2024 ended January 31, 2024, including a press release, a copy of which will be furnished in our report filed with the SEC and will be available in the Investor Relations section of the company's website.
Joining us on today's call from Coda Octopus are its Chair and CEO, Annmarie Gayle; ,its Interim CFO, Gayle Jardine. Following their remarks, we will open the call for questions.
Before we begin, Jackie Keshner from the Gateway Group will make a brief introductory statement. Jackie, please proceed.
Jackie Keshner
Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Coda Octopus' first-quarter fiscal 2024 earnings conference call. Before management begins their formal remarks, we would like to remind everyone that some statements we're making today may be considered forward-looking statements under securities law and involve a number of risks and uncertainties.
As a result, we caution you that there are a number of factors, many of which are beyond our control, which could cause actual results and events to differ materially from those described in the forward-looking statements.
For more detailed risks, uncertainties and assumptions relating to our forward-looking statements, please see the disclosures in our earnings release and public filings made with the Securities and Exchange Commission. We disclaim any obligation or undertaking to update forward-looking statements to reflect circumstances or events that occur after the date the forward-looking statements are made, except as required by law.
We refer you to our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission for detailed disclosures and descriptions of our business as well as uncertainties and other variable circumstances, including, but not limited to, risks and uncertainties identified in our Form 10-K for the year ended October 31, 2023, and Form 10-Q for the first quarter of this fiscal year. You may get Coda Octopus' Securities and Exchange Commission filings free by visiting the SEC website at www.sec.gov.
I would also like to remind everyone that this call is being recorded, and will be made available for replay via a link in the Investor Relations section of Coda Octopus' website.
Now, I will turn the call over to the company's Chair and CEO, Annmarie Gayle. Annmarie?
Annmarie Gayle
Thanks, Jackie, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us for our first-quarter 2024 earnings call. Our first-quarter 2024 results were in alignment with our internal business plan, but down on our first-quarter 2023. Our internal business plan had budgeted for our engineering business revenue for fiscal 2024 to be back loaded. This is largely because of reduced availability of funding for defense programs due to the use of continuing resolutions resulting from the upcoming US elections.
We also plan within our forecast for several booked engineering projects to be converted in revenue later in fiscal 2024 due to the lead times for receiving components. Notwithstanding these challenges, we have made some encouraging operational progress with our engineering business segment and I will discuss this later on in the call.
Moreover, we are seeing increased order take by our UK engineering business, which had been significantly affected by delays in receiving orders in fiscal 2023. While the marine technology business revenue was down at $3.5 million compared to $3.8 million in the first quarter of 2023, I am pleased with the recovery progresses that this part of our business is making. In the first quarter, we saw increased future utilization of our rental assets, which I am very encouraged by and this trend is continuing.
Notable in the first quarter is that outright sales in Asia, a key strategic market for this segment, fell by 26%. A contributor factor to this is weak demand from China caused by macroeconomic factors and increased geopolitical tensions. Encouragingly though, margins have continued to improve in the marine technology business.
Continued progress in the marine technology business is critical to our growth plans. As such, I will give a brief overview of what we are currently seeing in the marine industry. The industry's biggest trade show is Oceanology, which occurs every two years and took place last week. We therefore anticipated in our first quarter that outright sales would be down as typically customers postponed significant investment decisions until after this event.
Fiscal 2023 results were impacted by the downturn in offshore renewable projects due to inflation, higher interest rates and supply chain problems. It has recently been reported that Equinor and Ørsted have both now received provisional contracts in New York's fourth offshore solicitation. We're further encouraged by seeing increased inquiries for our rental solutions for offshore renewables. Although these are early days, this is good news for the marine industry and certainly for us.
We're also seeing increased opportunities for some significant underwater construction projects in the Middle East where some new islands are scheduled for development in calendar year 2024.
Moving to our first-quarter 2024 overview. During the first quarter of 2024, we continued to make progress against our key growth drivers. As I mentioned, we saw increased traction for our Echoscope rental solutions. We also made good progress in advancing the DAVD tethered system customization and hardening program. And based on the ongoing evaluation, we have received overridingly positive feedback on the system and its potential.
We're also encouraged by the engagement we're seeing with the customer and the pace of the program. This is good news, and we are on track to receive the final tranche of funding of $1.25 million in our second quarter. Following a fleet-wide survey by the Navy of the users who were previously allocated DAVD tethered systems, we received broader positive feedback from the various current users. It is also interesting to note that the feedback from users cited the Echoscope as game changing for their operations.
Furthermore, three new Navy user groups have requested from their respective commands, DAVD and Echoscope as part of their operations and existing commands have also put in request for additional systems. This is great news for the success of the DAVD technology and our company.
We also had our first sale of the DAVD tethered system system outside of the US Navy to a large Asian offshore service provider, which is involved in underwater construction and digging, who is also looking at the broader adoption of this technology for their operations. This is a high-profile project and the local environmental agency will be involved. This provider intends to create a core of super users and then look at a more systemic adoption of the technology, providing their initial project is successful.
We continue to work with several offshore service providers globally on their plans for adopting the DAVD, some of these are waiting for internal management decisions on funding. In February, we had success -- we had a successful series of demonstrations of our Echoscope, DAVD technology and the digital audio communications system to several bodies in Texas.
These include the Fire Service, Department of Transport and other law enforcement agencies where our technology is being assessed for bridge inspection, port and harbor security, search and rescue, and diving support. The demonstration was well received by this potential community of users, and we are working with them on progressing their interest in our solution.
We are continuing to work with Naval Information Warfare Center, NIWC, as they advance the selection of their sensor package for the VideoRay Defender, and we have provided proposals for accessing the technology for extended operational trials. We believe these trials will see start in April 2024.
In addition, we continue to work with a foreign Navy on integrating our Echoscope technology on the VideoRay Defender, which they have also adopted. The safety and electrical assessment of our digital audio communications systems, Voice Hub-4, has now been completed by the Navy, and they are expected to start trials in April.
Our engineering business is making progress in key areas. We are pursuing two significant opportunities for our Thermite mission computers for two new applications and we are now awaiting the completion of these negotiations. The relevant trials with our Thermite Octal were completed pre-COVID, but these programs had stalled due to the pandemic. I am very pleased that these are now advancing and securing these programs will be meaningful to our group. The success of Thermite will mean diversification of revenues for the engineering business and improve the margins.
We have also received a small batch order for two new defense programs of record. The significance of this, however, is that these are two new programs which are likely to go into the production phase in this fiscal year. This is a key component of success in the engineering business operations, which depends on expanding the number of programs that it supplies proprietary sub-assemblies [into].
Our UK engineering business is also seeing an uptick in its order take and has received orders for two new programs relating to mine hunting autonomous vehicles and a new line of military land vehicles. We believe the results of the engineering business will improve in fiscal 2024, a significant part of this segment's revenue is back loaded.
Let me now turn the call over to our Interim CFO, Gayle Jardine, to take you through our financials before I provide my closing remarks.
Gayle Jardine
Thank you, Annmarie, and good morning, everyone. Let me take you through first-quarter 2024 financial results. Starting with revenue, in the first quarter of 2024, we recorded total revenue of $4.5 million compared to $5.6 million in the first quarter of 2023, a reduction of 20.3%. The marine technology business, or products business generated revenue of $3.5 million compared to $3.8 million, a 7.4% decrease from the first quarter of 2023.
Our marine engineering business or services business generated revenue of $0.9 million compared to $1.8 million, a 48.2% reduction from the first quarter of 2023. As reported earlier by Annmarie, the decline in our consolidated revenue was largely as a result of the service businesses' reduced orders and supply chain issues, which have impacted the short-term ability to convert boot engineering projects to revenue in the current quarter.
Moving on to gross profit margin. In the first quarter of 2024, we generated gross profit of $3.1 million compared to $3.8 million in the first quarter of 2023. Gross margin was 69.2% versus 67.1% in the first quarter of last year. In our marine technology business, gross margin increased 72.5% in the first quarter of 2024 compared to 72.2% in 2023, reflecting changes in the mix of sales and the lower commission costs recorded in the first quarter of 2024 due to the reduction in our price sales in Asia. Our marine engineering business gross margin increased to 56.4% in the first quarter of 2024 versus 56.0% in the first quarter of 2023, again, reflecting the mix of sales.
Now moving to our operating expenses. Total operating expenses for the first quarter of 2024 rose slightly to $2.5 million compared to $2.4 million in the first quarter of 2023. Our selling, general and administrative costs in the first quarter of 2024 totaled $2.0 million, an increase of 4.2% over approximately $2.0 million in the first quarter of 2023.
As a percentage of revenue, our selling, general and administrative costs for the first quarter of 2024 was 4.58% compared to 35.1% in the first quarter of 2023. This increase was expected. As we've previously stated, that due to the significant progress we've made in R&D in the last four years, we are now focused on aligning a significant portion of our resources and strategy from recession development to global business development, brand building and investor relations. We expect the SG&A to increase after we hired new staff in key areas and realized an increase in our payroll costs.
In addition, we're still working on expanding our management team, and this will also increase our SG&A expenditure. We believe these investments will increase shareholder value as we continue our focus on increasing sales across our whole group. Operating income in the first quarter of 2024 was $0.6 million compared to $1.3 million in the first quarter of 2023, a reduction of 58.7%.
Operating margin was 12.4% compared to 24.1% in the first quarter of 2023, driven by the change in revenues as explained previously. Net income before taxes in the first quarter of 2024 was $0.8 million compared to $1.4 million in the first quarter of 2023. Net income after taxes in the first quarter of 2024 was $0.6 million, or $0.06 per diluted share share compared to $1.4 million or $0.12 per diluted share in the first quarter of 2023.
Moving now to our balance sheet. As of January 31, 2024, we're $25.0 million in cash and cash equivalents on hand and no debt. This represents an increase of $0.6 million from October 31, 2023, with the comparable figure was $24.4 million. Our working capital increased to $40 million from 37.6 million as at October 31, 2023.
I will now turn the call back over to Annmarie for closing remarks.
Annmarie Gayle
Thank you, Gayle. I want to close by emphasizing that we continue to work to create stable, long-term shareholder value. In the 2024 fiscal year, there are a number of key management goals for our business to achieve with a focus on growth. We have a compelling calendar of prestigious business development activities in 2024 with a focus on defense applications and defense programs.
Some of our goals include achieving revenue in fiscal year 2024, which exceeds our 2023 revenue, continuing to seek to increase the number of programs that are our Echoscope technology is embedded in, continuing to prior to rise and engage in the DAVD untethered system customization and hardening program with a goal of securing the technology's adoption by the Special Forces community in late calendar year 2024 or early 2025.
Continuing to work to ensure the successful rollout and adoption of the DAVD tethered system to the market, both in the defense and commercial market, supporting the rollout and adoption of the digital audio communications solution, continuing to work towards returning the engineering business to its pre-COVID $10 million revenue profile, and we are seeing some traction with new programs which will assist in achieving this goal, expanding the group's management team and capabilities. This is ongoing, continuing to develop our pipeline of candidates under our M&A strategy with a goal of acquiring complementary value-accretive technologies into our portfolio.
We continue to believe in the growth prospects and strategy built around our disruptive technologies. It is our strategy to focus on penetrating the defense market with these technologies, including seeking the inclusion of our imaging sonars in the new generation of underwater vehicles and securing the adoption of the DAVD untethered systems by the Special Forces.
By adopting this strategy, it pivots the revenue model of the marine technology business to a multi-year and multi-sale model as we have started to see with the DAVD product line. Though it could take several years for these programs to mature, we continue to believe this is the best strategy for our business growth prospects. Therefore, we believe that our near-term growth will be incremental but solid.
We are also committed to returning the engineering services business operations to its pre-COVID $10 million revenue profile. And we have started to see new programs entering they're pre production basis.
To conclude, we would like to thank our shareholders for their continued support. We are now happy to answer your questions. Operator?
Question and Answer Session
Operator
(Operator Instructions)
Brian Kinstlinger, Alliance Global Partners.
Brian Kinstlinger
Great, thanks. I've got a handful of questions. You've talked about last earnings call as well as this earnings call about industry cancellation, shelving of major offshore renewable projects due to inflation, higher interest rates and supply chain problems. I think you mentioned a few positive signs, but maybe from a high level, do you think we're seeing meaningful progress in terms of negotiating the terms as it relates to electricity pricing resets for the rates?
Annmarie Gayle
Hi, Brian. Thank you for that question, it's Annmarie. Look, I think why we are not directly involved in those discussions, they are not at the table there. What I can see from where I'm sitting in our business, we're seeing increase in demand for our Echoscope solution into offshore renewables. If you recall, actually, Brian, I think it was 2019, I think, we did $25 million. And that year, what was different in that year, we were on almost all European offshore renewable projects.
What I'm saying to you now, what I am seeing in terms of the utilization rate for rental, it is very, very encouraging. We saw that in the quarter, we see that continuing in Q2 and really, at the moment, we have to potentially look at expanding our rental assets because -- and a lot of these projects are offshore renewables and construction. So I definitely think that there are positive signs that some of these programs are going forward.
Brian Kinstlinger
Great. And then you highlighted Oceanology, where I'm sure you got to demonstrate your technology. In the past, when do you see the impact on new orders from this conference? Is it a couple of months, a couple of quarters? Maybe give us a sense for the sales cycle post this conference?
Annmarie Gayle
Well, you know, what we noted in the first quarter is that sales from Asia continued to be down. And although China [placed apart], so does Japan and South Korea, where we saw reduced demand. So -- and I think back to that market will purchase in Q2, not necessarily China because we've lost visibility of demand from China. But I feel high level or high sense of confidence that Japan and South Korea will start and Singapore will start picking up following the show.
Brian Kinstlinger
Great. In terms of the DAVD tethered and untethered products, you gave a lot of information. What are the next goal posts? You mentioned the sales of your first commercial sale -- sorry for the tethered system. What's the contract value of that program? And when do you expect the actual revenue contribution to rapidly increase? How should we think about that timing?
Annmarie Gayle
Well, you know, Brian, thank you for that question, because then, you know -- and I think there needs to be more alignment with expectations of what we're doing. So DAVD is a program and it's now a program of record. So DAVD started 2019. It took five years to mature before we had the system going through evaluation and now being on the approved Navy use list.
Now what I am excited about, Brian, is the fact that that passive revenue stream that I've spoken about, year in year out, we're now seeing that because we are seeking existing commands, putting in request for more equipment, more DAVD tech solutions. And also we are seeing new commands putting in request for DAVD. So I'm very, very excited about that.
Whilst I can't give you a number of what that will mean, last year for the tethered system, we did $3 million. This year, within our internal plan, we have $4.5 million. And I've always said that growth will be incremental for the DAVD. What will be pivotal in terms of getting those numbers up will be to have of not just the US Navy, but foreign Navy also acquiring the solution.
And we know that that is a meaning for the untethered system, for example, we are funded jointly between the US Navy and an allied Navy, a significant allied Navy. So implicitly, they're on that adoption trading with us. So I think what I am seeing is, and I'm excited about, as I said, the program for the DAVD tethered system. Going forward, it's passive revenues, we don't need to do any business development. It's on the approved Navy list and they're just buying equipment. And that's what I talked about for this business quite a lot.
So overall, I think this year, we're trying to do $4.5 million. And another thing I'd like to mention on the DAVD to that I see, and it's very encouraging for our company, is the level of engagement we are enjoying with the key customers on the program. It's been -- one of the barriers always is the sense that it goes much slower, but we've seen them doing several dives with the untethered system.
All of the feedback overridingly positive for the business. And we don't feel there are huge hurdles for us to overcome in terms of the technology, its fitness for purpose and the past that we are going down. So overall, I continue to believe is that the DAVD will be significant for our group and it's one of our disruptive technologies in the market.
Brian Kinstlinger
Great. Thanks for that. That's helpful. Turning to the services or engineering business, you were very clear that you hope to get it back to the pre-COVID levels, which was $9 million to $12 million. The federal government has essentially been in a continuing resolution almost every year since I've been following, which is 20 years. Notwithstanding the longer lead times, what else have been the limiting factors to that recovery?
Annmarie Gayle
Well, the main thing is that every time -- first of all, every time, there is the upcoming elections, that's clear you'll never get your federal budget through, and that's the real background to the continuing resolution. So it just means that you -- for programs that they're not optimally funded and you've got to make choices. When we get a pot of money, some will go to x and some will go to y, but not the amounts that's contracted. So that's what we're seeing.
But the biggest factor for, for example, the engineering business, has been the pace at which the new programs go forward. So what I reported, for example, on the US engineering side, we have two new programs now, which is going into its pre-production phase. We've now got the small batch orders and why I'm excited about this and see the promise of returning the business to the $10 million, is though these parts that now we've received the small batch orders for are for established programs of record. And the engineering part is a result of obsolescence.
What that means is that the production quantities likely to be larger because they'll be retrofitting those for the assets in the field. So I'm really super, super excited about those two programs that we have back there. And they're on with -- now received, as I said, the pre-production order, the valuation patch. And we expect the back end of this year that we will get the production orders. So that's on the US side.
In the -- on the UK side for engineering business, last year, revenues were significantly down because of the -- it's like the priorities had shifted for the main customers and they were really pursuing a lot of land-based applications. But what we are seeing now is an uptick of those orders that were meant to come through, some of them are coming through. And we are -- that business is quoting also a lot at the moment. So I am excited about that part of the business.
And also, as I mentioned before, the Thermite, it's a good example, Brian, you know, we had to really major opportunities for the Thermite pre-COVID and those had stalled and stalled and they have now just come back on the table. And those, again, will be good opportunities for business because now, it's in the production phase, that -- not the design phase for our business.
So the limiting factor has really been more a bit of COVID, the slowness, the recovery from COVID. But also the engineering business, they go through different phase from they get a new program, where they are doing the design phase, it's pretty small. But once that is written into the program and then you get the production orders, that's really what gives us the kick. And that's really where we are with these new programs.
Of course, for that business, it has to continue expanding the number of new programs it is supplying proprietary parts into. But I feel we're in a good spot now with recovery COVID. And then also last year where we saw a lot of land-based application, we're now seeing seeing more and more naval requirements coming through and have won some orders there.
Brian Kinstlinger
So two more, one was a follow-up to that one. In terms of the two programs that are hopefully going to go into production in the US as well as the new awards in the UK, is there any way, at least in total to size, what these mean? Are these contributors of each $1 million or a couple of hundred thousand dollars? It's hard to understand the magnitude of the impact of these collective programs.
Annmarie Gayle
Yes. So the way to really think about the orders is that first -- there are a number of things because it's not just about the upfront production quantities you get today, it is the fact that this is repeat orders that you get over the time. So at any one point, like these two new programs that we had in the US, I think that that will drop probably be around $4 million for that business. And then -- on the UK side, that's about $2 million.
Brian Kinstlinger
Those are lifetime value or?
Annmarie Gayle
No, those are not lifetime values. Those are initial values that we expect.
Brian Kinstlinger
I can see why you think the recovery is ahead. And then lastly, on the balance sheet, which is obviously healthy, what investments are the companies -- is a company making to accelerate the adoption of your technology? Is it hiring more salespeople, marketing professionals? Just maybe highlight where you think you can invest to help accelerate adoption of your product?
Annmarie Gayle
Great question, Brian. So I think I'm pleased to report we've made really, really good progress since we last spoke. So we've now successfully, and I don't have permission to identify the group, but we have now successfully hired a focus group in the US, a very, very well-established focused group in the defense space. And the whole idea of that US focus group will be to provide better understanding of the opportunities we are pursuing, helping us to map the opportunities and model the opportunities more clearly, which I'll expand on once we have that.
In addition, the focus group will help us with identifying new programs and making sure we're not missing any programs and generally, strategy. So very, very excited. We will have our kickoff with that focus group, April 1. And I'm pleased that they will be very impactful for our business. They're well experienced in this area.
In addition to that -- and that will be a significant investment for our business, very, very significant in terms of the cost for our business. In addition to that, one of the things we've been looking for is a leader for our DAVD tethered system technology in Europe. And I'm pleased to report that we are close to completing back agreement with this candidate. And this candidate will be based in the Netherlands where we have the top 20 dredges in the world there. So it's a significantly location for us. And these things take time because you want to make sure that the person has the right access, the right experience.
So long and short, Brian, we are continuing to invest significantly in on business development and expanding our management team. So a management team, not only are we short to [pursue] CFO, but the biggest thing for our business is senior personnel and marketing and futures officer for the vision and strategy of our business.
So we will be investing heavily in expanding our management team, which I think by this year, we have the full complement of the team that can help us to pivot to where shareholders want us to pivot, but it does take time.
Brian Kinstlinger
Great. Actually, just one more, the focus group, is that a third party you're hiring or is that a team you're hiring to be part of Coda?
Annmarie Gayle
It's a third-party team that provides this service.
Brian Kinstlinger
Got it. Thank you so much.
Annmarie Gayle
But we also get allocated a number of personnel to work with.
Brian Kinstlinger
Great. Thank you, Annmarie.
Annmarie Gayle
You're welcome.
Operator
(Operator Instructions) With no further questions at this time, I would like to turn the conference back over to Annmarie Gayle for closing remarks.
Annmarie Gayle
Thank you very much, everyone, for your continued interest in Coda. Thank you for your continued support also and have a great day. Thank you, everyone.
Operator
Thank you. This will conclude today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time, and thank you for your participation.
