Q1 2024 Fuelcell Energy Inc Earnings Call
Participants
Tom Gelston; Vice President - Investor Relations; Fuelcell Energy Inc
Jason Few; President, Chief Executive Officer; Fuelcell Energy Inc
Michael Bishop; Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer, and Treasurer; Fuelcell Energy Inc
George Gianarikas; Analyst; Canaccord Genuity
Manav Gupta; Analyst; UBS Equities
Eric Stine; Analyst; Craig Hallum
Ryan Pfingst; Analyst; B. Riley Securities
Noel Parks; Analyst; Tuohy Brothers
Presentation
Tom Gelston
Good morning, FuelCell Energy released our financial results for the first quarter of 2024 and our earnings press release and our quarterly report on Form 10-Q are available in the investor section of our website at www.fuelcellenergy.com, consistent with our practice. In addition to this call in our earnings press release, we have posted a slide presentation on our website. This webcast is being recorded and will be available for replay on our website approximately two hours after we conclude the call.
Before we begin, please note that some of the information that you will hear or be provided with today will consist of forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, such statements, express our expectations, beliefs and intentions regarding the future and include, without limitation statements with respect to our anticipated financial results, our plans and expectations regarding the continuing development, commercialization and financing of our fuel cell technology and our business plans and strategies. Our actual future results could differ materially from those described in or implied by such forward-looking statements because of a number of risks and uncertainties. More information regarding such risks and uncertainties is available in the safe harbor statement in the slide presentation and in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, particularly the risk factors section of our most recently filed annual report on Form 10-K and any subsequently filed quarterly reports on Form 10-Q during the course of this call, we will be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures, and we refer you to our website and to our earnings press release and the appendix of the slide presentation for the reconciliation of those measures to GAAP financial measures.
Our earnings press release and a copy of today's webcast presentation are available on our website under Investors. For our call today, I am joined by Jason Few, FuelCell Energy's President and Chief Executive Officer, and Mike Bishop, our Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer. Following our prepared remarks, we will be available to take your questions and be joined by other members of the leadership team. I will now hand the call over to Jason for opening remarks. Jason?
Jason Few
Thank you, Tom, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us on our call today. Since we last reported in December, we have continued to make progress toward the accelerated implementation of our Powerhouse business strategy for the first quarter of fiscal 2024. Revenues were lower than in the comparable prior year quarter. However, this was in line with our expectations due to a one-time revenue benefit from the expiration of a material rate related to an extended warranty obligation and higher service revenues from required module replacements during the comparable prior year quarter. Today, we will provide additional detail on our results for the quarter as well as looking ahead before diving into the business results, I believe it is important to give an overview of FuelCell Energy for anyone new to our story as shown on Slide 3. We've been in operations for over 50 years, and we are a leader in developing stationary fuel cell platforms. Our purpose as a company is to enable the world empowered by clean energy. Today, the world is in the early stages of a global energy transition to a low-carbon future. We believe FuelCell Energy is well positioned as an energy delivery and emissions management company to be part of the solution by supporting customers on a safe, secure and practical path net carbon zero. This important purpose is what drives our passion for this work and guides our strategic focus. We have 188 modules in commercial operations in North America, Asia and Europe, and we are focused on entering additional markets around the world. Our proven carbonate technology has met customers' needs for over 20 years and has generated more than 15 million megawatt hours to date. Our recently commercialized solid oxide technology platform extends the solutions we can provide our customers, including electrolysis and power generation using zero emission hydrogen fuel as the only feedstock. We believe that our molten carbonate and solid oxide platforms position us to meet evolving customer needs across distributed power generation, distributed hydrogen electrolysis and hydrogen energy storage and direct flue source carbon capture FuelCell Energy provides technological solutions for and collaborates with some of the world's largest global companies, including our work with ExxonMobil to jointly develop carbon capture solutions, Toyota for distributed hydrogen with our TriGen facility at the Port of Long Beach, Pfizer to enhance power reliability by building a microgrid and leveraging our thermal energy to provide steam Canadian Nuclear Laboratories or C and L in Canada to explore the viability of pairing our electrolyzer with nuclear energy and IBM through a collaboration to use a I define breakthrough ways to alter chemistry to extend the life of our electrochemical fuel cells. We are proud to be a global leader in electrochemical technology. Simply stated, our proprietary fuel cell technology platforms do two things decarbonize power and industry and produce hydrogen.
Next, let's turn to key highlights for the quarter shown on slide 4. First, we continue to make operational progress in key projects. We announced that both our Derby, Connecticut base projects were placed in service during our first quarter of fiscal 2024, bringing our on-balance sheet generation operating portfolio to 62.8 megawatts from 43.7 megawatts at the end of fiscal 2023. Our fuel cell parks in Derby are generating competitively priced renewable energy for thousands of area residents and are helping the state of Connecticut close its power generation gap. We also continue to make significant progress building out our solid oxide manufacturing capabilities through capacity expansion of our facility in Calgary. We're working to position ourselves of high efficiency solution providers in the hydrogen marketplace. Additionally, we continue to monitor and make adjustments to our production rate at our Torrington facility to reduce cost and our carbon and inventory position, it gives us the flexibility to meet current and forecasted demand.
As we look ahead to fiscal 2024 and 2025, we remain focused on advancing new technologies for pilot and commercial applications. We have the technology and flexibility across our product and service offerings to allow us to participate in the global energy transition in a number of different ways. We are pleased to announce we have entered into an agreement with the US Department of State to participate in a private public project that will use FuelCell Energy's solid oxide electrolysis technology in Ukraine. This project is focused on demonstrating the benefits of an efficient carbon free decentralized platform that can generate power and support food security through the production of hydrogen and ammonia. Additionally, we recently entered into a power purchase agreement with the University of Connecticut for Yukon to install for 250 kilowatt solid oxide fuel cell units. Power from these solid oxide fuel cell units will be used by Yukon new innovation partnership building any unused power will be exported to the Eversource grid under the fuel cell net metering tariff. We believe that this project will be an excellent example of the ability of our solid oxide fuel cell platform to answer the need for on-site, resilient distributed power that will assist Yukon in achieving its environmental goals and provide heat reducing their heating costs nets. We are taking proactive steps to maintain the strength of our balance sheet. We follow a disciplined approach to managing our capital investment by establishing investment triggers linked to key milestones. We will continue to work toward increasing revenue and investable cash flow while taking prudent steps to raise capital and preserve the liquidity required to operate our business.
Fourth, we are focused on accelerating our global sales closure pace, contract execution and repowering service efforts in Korea we have made progress expanding our reach in Korea. For example, we completed repowering for our new customer, no green energy Company Limited in fiscal year 2023, and we see a significant opportunity to enter into other long-term service agreements in Korea. We believe that our work with no green energy can serve as a model for transitioning similar projects. Additionally, applications like electrolysis time to power and CO2 as a delivered product are gaining momentum among a broader set of potential customers and geographies. Finally, we are opportunistically evaluating potential options to benefit from global policy tailwinds. We believe that the domestic policies that have been enacted are stable, that the proposed global policies have strong support and that we are well positioned to capitalize on the evolving energy landscape. And now I will turn the call over to Mike to discuss the financial results for the first quarter in more detail. Mike?
Michael Bishop
Thank you, Jason, and good morning to everyone on the call today. Let's begin by reviewing the financial highlights for the quarter as shown on Slide 6. For the first quarter of fiscal year 2024, we reported total revenues of $16.7 million, in line with our expectations. Revenues in the prior year quarter totaled $37.1 million, which included a one-time benefit related to the expiration of a material rate from an extended warranty obligation and higher service revenues from required module replacements. I will provide more details regarding service a bit later in my remarks.
In the first quarter of fiscal year 2024, we reported a net loss of $44.4 million compared to a net loss of $21.1 million in the first quarter of fiscal year 2023. The resulting net loss per share attributable to common stockholders in the first quarter of fiscal year 2024 was negative $0.05, unchanged from the first quarter of fiscal year 2023. The net loss per common share remained steady rather than increasing primarily due to the higher number of weighted average shares outstanding as of January 31, 2024 due to share issuances and the net loss attributable to noncontrolling interest during the quarter ended January 31, 2024, which totaled $24.6 million and was primarily due to the tax equity financing of the Derby Connecticut project. The impact of this net loss attributable to non-controlling interests was approximately $0.05 per share compared to the net loss attributable to noncontrolling interest in the prior year period, which was approximately $2.5 million or $0.01 per share.
Adjusted EBITDA totaled negative $29.1 million in the first quarter of fiscal year 2024 compared to adjusted EBITDA of negative $14.4 million in the first quarter of fiscal year 2023. Please see the discussion of non-GAAP financial measures, including adjusted EBITDA in the appendix at the end of our earnings release.
Finally, the Company has a strong total cash position at over $348 million as of January 31, 2024 next on slide 7, you will see additional details on our financial performance and backlog in the graph. On the left hand side of the slide, revenue is broken down by category note that there is no product revenue for the three months ended January 31, 2024 compared to $9.1 million in the comparable prior year period. Our December 2021 settlement agreement with Posco Energy Company Limited and its subsidiary, Korea fuel cell Company Limited, or KFC. included an option to purchase an additional 14 modules that option included a material rate related to extended warranty obligation for the modules. The option was not exercised and as a result, we recognized $9.1 million of product revenues during the first quarter of fiscal year 2023. Service agreement revenues decreased to 1.6 million for the first quarter of fiscal year 2024 from $13.9 million in the prior year period. There were no module exchanges during the quarter, whereas the first quarter of fiscal year 2023 included module exchanges at the plant in Woodbridge, Connecticut and at the plants owned by Korea. Southern Power Company generation revenues increased 10% to $10.5 million from $9.6 million, primarily due to revenue recorded for the Toyota and Derby projects, which began generating revenues in the first quarter of this fiscal year. Please note that the Derby projects were placed in operation late in the quarter. Accordingly, we expect to see a full quarter of contribution from those projects in our second quarter results.
Advanced technology contract revenues increased slightly to $4.6 million from $4.5 million compared to the first quarter of fiscal year 2023. Advanced technology contract revenues recognized under our joint development agreement with ExxonMobil technology and engineering company were approximately $0.1 million higher and revenue recognized under government and other contracts was approximately $0.1 million lower.
Looking at the top right-hand side of the slide, I will walk through the changes in gross loss, profit and operating expenses. Gross loss for the first quarter of fiscal year 2024 totaled $11.7 million compared to a gross profit of $5.2 million in the comparable prior year quarter. Gross loss in this first quarter of fiscal 2024 as a result of unfavorable margins for generation, which included expense, construction and gas costs related to the Toyota project of $3.5 million and a derivative loss of $1.9 million related to natural gas purchases during the period. Gross profit in the prior year period is a direct result of favorable product margins as revenue recognized had no corresponding costs along with lower manufacturing variances in the first quarter of fiscal year 2023. The Company also realized higher service margins due to new module exchanges occurring in the quarter, offset by lower generation margins due to $7.6 million of non-recoverable costs related to construction of the Toyota project.
Operating expenses for the first quarter of fiscal 2024 increased to $30.8 million from $27.7 million in the first quarter of fiscal 2023. Research and development expenses increased to $14.4 million during the first quarter of fiscal year 2024 compared to $12.7 million in the prior year period. The increase in research and development expenses reflects an increase in spending, including spending on labor and materials on the Company's ongoing commercial development efforts related to our solid oxide power-generation and electrolysis platforms and carbon separation and carbon recovery solutions compared to the comparable prior year period.
On the bottom right of the slide, you will see that backlog decreased to $1.03 billion as of January 31, 2024 compared to $1.06 billion as of January 31, 2023, primarily as a result of revenue recognition under generation service and advanced technologies agreement this decline in backlog was partially offset by new service agreements. Backlog as a result of the agreement with no green energy Company Limited entered into during fiscal year 2023 and new advanced technologies backlog as a result of the purchase order received from Esso Nederland BV in January 2024.
Turning to Slide 8. This is a view of our generation portfolio. We are very pleased to have added three new generation assets, enhancing our recurring revenue profile with the addition of the Toyota project and the two new projects in Derby Connecticut as of January 31, 2024 the generation portfolio totaled 62.8 megawatts of assets. It's important to note that as the Derby projects were placed in service, we were able to execute long term tax equity financings, allowing us to recycle capital back into the business.
On Slide 9, we have provided a profile of our service fleet including estimated module replacement schedules for each site. These are customer owned assets, which are separate from the Company's generation portfolio.
Looking at historical data, you can see that the Company has completed a multiyear fleet upgrade having replaced approximately 30 megawatts of modules over the past three years. This does not include module replacements under the new Knoll green energy service agreement, which were provided by KFC. These investments are expected to result in enhanced performance, lower future maintenance cost and improved margins over the life of the modules. We are now entering a lighter module replacement cycle. Since we have installed longer life modules across the platform base, we currently do not expect any megawatt-class module exchanges to occur until the fourth quarter of fiscal year 2024. And as a result, we expect lower service revenues in fiscal 2024 compared to fiscal 2023. But as noted last quarter, we believe that we have additional potential service opportunities in Korea to transition customers to new repowering agreements similar to the contract that we executed with Noel green energy, adding to our long-term service revenue opportunities Finally, on Slide 10, we provide an update on our liquidity and ongoing investments in Project assets. Cash and cash equivalents and restricted cash and cash equivalents totaled $348.8 million as of January 31, 2024. This includes approximately $297.5 million of unrestricted cash and cash equivalents represented by the darker blue bar on the chart in the center of the slide, and $51.3 million of restricted cash and cash equivalents represented by the purple bar.
Looking at the right-hand side of the slide, there is a chart illustrating our total project assets, which make up our company owned generation portfolio investments reflect capital spent on completed operating projects as well as capital spent on projects currently in development and under construction.
As of January 31, 2024, our gross project assets totaled approximately $308.9 million, which excludes accumulated depreciation. We are pleased with the project financing activity in the quarter and have taken and will continue to take proactive steps to maintain the balance sheet strength required to support our growth initiatives. As an example, given the Company's current carbonate inventory position, we have continued to monitor and make adjustments to our production rate to meet current and expected demand from our Torrington facility. The Company continues to prudently invest in its commercialization strategy, which we expect to enable growth in future periods.
I will now turn the call back to Jason.
Jason Few
Thanks, Mike. Turning to slide 12, I would like to reemphasize again the pillars of our Powerhouse business strategy, which underpins our approach toward achieving long-term growth. The first tenet is growth. We are working to optimize our business for achieving growth in markets where we see significant opportunity for clean energy applications. Our platform technologies address second is scale we plan to scale our existing platforms by investing in and extending the applications solutions our platforms address and growing the capabilities of our entire team across the organization. And third, innovate for the future. We believe our platform technologies and our culture will allow us to continue building our significant global patent portfolio, further enabling our participation in the growth of the hydrogen economy and carbon capture, emissions management utilization and storage. We plan to develop diversified revenue streams by delivering a range of solutions and services anchored by our multi feature platforms that support decarbonization applications and the global energy transition accordingly.
On Slide 13, I'd like to share some additional details on the recent commercial successes for our solid oxide platform. As I mentioned earlier, we recently announced an agreement with the US Department of State to participate in a private public project that will use FuelCell Energy's solid oxide electrolysis technology with small modular nuclear reactors in the Ukraine, FuelCell Energy's 1.1 megawatt solid oxide electrolysis unit, which was selected for this project, is expected to produce 600 kilograms per day of hydrogen to support approximately three tons per day of ammonia production. Additionally, we are conducting a design and cost study for a plant that would be capable of making 3,000 tons per day of ammonia. We are excited about this important opportunity to deploy our solid oxide electrolysis platform, integrate with NuScale, small modular reactor to support energy, security and agriculture in Ukraine.
Additionally, as I mentioned earlier, we recently entered into an eight year power purchase agreement with Yukon to install for 250 kilowatt solid oxide fuel cell units. Yukon will provide all utilities including low carbon natural gas fuel and our platforms will power the innovation partnership, building the University's new on-campus center for cutting-edge research and industry collaboration and innovation. We believe that these planned commercial applications will highlight the specific advantages of FuelCell Energy, solid oxide fuel cell and solid oxide electrolyzer cell technologies. Our technologies offer fuel flexibility, efficiency, reliability and a small footprint for easy co-location. We believe solid oxide presents one of the best opportunities to minimize overall cost while maximizing efficiency and that our platform can give more organizations the option to implement a flexible energy strategy because most of the cost of hydrogen produced by electrolysis are related to the cost of input power efficiency is one of the most effective ways to lower zero emission hydrogen cost. And we believe FuelCell Energy's solid oxide platform is among the most efficient electrolysis technologies available.
And finally, I would like to note that we have recently published our fiscal year 2023 sustainability report, we have included some highlights on Slide 14. I want to reaffirm our dedication to achieving net zero, which remains in the forefront of FuelCell Energy's priorities. We have reiterated our commitment to achieving net zero on Scope one and Scope two emissions by 2030 and Scope three emissions by 2050. We are aligned with the leading standard organizations and the United Nations climate action goals that we believe we can impact.
In addition to commitments to our environmental objectives, we are focused on the safety of our employees on the people and the communities in which we work and live and on maintaining a diverse, equitable and inclusive organization. This commitment is shared across our company and our Board of Directors. We are a clean technology, energy delivery and emissions management company, but we are also a responsible corporate citizen, wholly committed to protecting the environment, attaining net-zero goals being a diverse, equitable and inclusive company and exercising good governance. Environmental Sustainability is at the heart of what we do before moving to Q&A, I will conclude my prepared remarks with some takeaways on Slide 15. I remain excited about our company's trajectory as our newest innovative technologies are progressing toward commercialization and are expected to have a positive impact on our world. In the future. We are making continued operational progress and we are executing on large complex projects for our customers, including putting three new generation assets in service, which adds to our recurring revenue profile. We believe our technologies have a critical role to play in transitioning to a low carbon future. We are delivering for our customers. We are increasing our manufacturing capacity and we are preparing for the commercialization of our new technologies and extending the value streams delivered from our existing technology platforms. We believe we are poised to capture market opportunities over the coming years. We have a strong balance sheet and have demonstrated discipline in the allocation of capital to support growth. We believe we have appropriate liquidity to continue to fund projects in development and platform commercialization activities and to execute on our growth strategy in our target markets. We have had success in our growth efforts in Korea, where we see tremendous additional opportunity for the future.
And finally, we see growing momentum behind POLICY support for the energy transition in the US and internationally. And we believe we have the platform solutions that will enable FuelCell Energy to benefit from these tailwinds.
I will now turn it over to the operator to begin Q&A.
Question and Answer Session
Operator
We are now opening our floor for question and answer session. If you'd like to ask a question, please press star and number one on your telephone keypad. That's star and number one on your telephone. Our first question comes from George Marcus from Canaccord Genuity. Your line is now open for.
George Gianarikas
Good morning, everyone, and thank you so much for taking my question, George.
Good morning, and thank you for calling in force of just maybe first question, can you please just give us an operational update on the Toyota program and whether or not you've seen additional interest from new parties in the process?
Jason Few
Yes, the Toyota project is operational. As we previously reported, it is producing power, hydrogen and water all being utilized for Toyota in support of their operations at the Toyota logistics center, which is what they operate at the Port of Long Beach. The hydrogen is supporting the imported Toyota Mirai as well as the jointly developed Class A. vehicles that they developed with packer under the Kenworth and Peterbilt brands and then water for the car wash operation, reducing the amount of water that they need to use, which is consistent with their environmental objectives.
With respect to additional opportunities. We do see additional opportunities for Cryogen domestically. One of the big questions now is really how does 45 the play out. And we think that that's having some impact on pacing. But there is there's strong interest, both at a port level as well as the realization around the distributed nature of the platform and that by it being a distributed platform. There's a number of hurdles that you can avoid in trying to get these hydrogen projects implemented without needing to get through a lot of the infrastructure challenges that exist in trying to decentralize projects. So we see we see solid interest in the Trident platform. And we think once we get through some of this clarification, we expect that to hopefully turn into opportunities for the Company.
George Gianarikas
Any guidance on the level of credits you see based on the changes in 45 for that project per kilogram of production?
Jason Few
No, I mean, we remain optimistic that the ultimate rulemaking from the Treasury Department is going to be consistent with the views that we've had on the Toyota project. But of course, you know we we, like many others were part of organizations that commented on on the on the Treasury Department proposed rules. And so we remain optimistic that there won't be a change, but we we certainly can't say for certain because we don't know where they're going to land.
George Gianarikas
And just one follow-up at slide 10, you show that your projects in development have now basically come to zero. I'm curious as to whether that's a conscious decision on your part to kind of slow the growth of the development of projects or and allocate resources in other directions? Or should we expect that to kind of grow over time?
Jason Few
We expect that to continue to grow over time. I mean, we talked about our Trinity project previously, we just talked about on this call the project with Yukon. That's not reflected in the backlog numbers yet that that you see but will be in our in our next quarter backlog numbers. So yes, that we intend to continue to grow projects.
George Gianarikas
Got it. Thank you.
Jason Few
Thank you.
Operator
Question comes from Manav Gupta from UBS. Your line is now open.
Manav Gupta
And I just wanted to understand a little bit. We are finally seeing traction on the solid oxide fuel cells as well as electrolyzers. I think Shell signed up something with one of your peers yesterday, and I'm just trying to understand where are you in this process of developing that offering? And do you actually see more orders come through in the second half of 2024 and '25 on the electrolyzer plant?
Jason Few
Hey, Manav, thank you for the question and being on the call today. Look, we if you think about solid oxide for us first, starting broadly as a platform that has clearly opened up new opportunities for us. And if you think about some of the things that we've recently announced, if you take the Trinity opportunity we announced if you take the Yukon opportunity we just announced both of those are Ito of the Connecticut Yukon opportunities a megawatt, you know, Trinity is smaller at 250 kilowatts. Those are two opportunities that at least in the U.S. context, we would not have been able to participate in before because our module started at 1.4 megawatts. So we see a wider aperture of opportunities being created as a result of having now commercialized our solid oxide platform. So we're very excited about that opportunity because there's many more segments and opportunities we can pursue. And we think that time to power in particularly for behind-the-meter applications that, that opportunity from a sub-megawatt perspective, we think is fairly significant on the electrolysis side. We think that solid oxide is the platform that ultimately over time will be the winner in the market because of the efficiency advantage and if you look at some of the demonstrations that we've announced, for example that we talked about today with C. and L. in Canada, pairing our technology with nuclear, the Ukraine announcement when you think about the fact that those are baseload technologies that we're integrating, our high efficiency platform with without P were 90 plus percent efficient and whiskey, which we don't need a source of heat. But if we had a source of waste heat or processing, we're at 100% electrical efficiency. If the aim is to produce hydrogen, clearly solid oxide is going to be the winner from an efficiency standpoint. If you just if you just assume that power being the biggest cost when you get to scale across the different platform, technologies. If you think about if you just use $0.1 as a as a as a measuring stick, if you will, of the cost of input power that's anywhere from $1.50 to more advantage from a cost differential on a price per kilogram. That's significant.
And we think that yesterday's announcement we think is is emblematic of the fact that as we start to really think about scaled projects and really getting to the 90 million metric tons of hydrogen that are produced already that might fall into if we were to use a colored gray hydrogen. You know, that's a lot of hydrogen and you're going to want a very efficient platform for producing that. And we think we're going to be well positioned to play in that opportunity.
Manav Gupta
I think my quick funnel opinions on there is a lot of demand for electricity, especially coming from the data centers. As we understand, utilities are struggling to meet that demand? And how are you positioning your company in a way where eventually you can break into this market and get like and a 20 megawatt order 30 megawatt order is that something you will be chasing? And if so, how would you be positioning your company to basically succeed in the eventual data center electricity provider market?
Jason Few
You have enough Great question. So if you think about our company and you look historically at what we've been able to do and you talk about large-scale projects today, our technology as FuelCell Energy represents the largest deployed fuel cell parks of any fuel cell provider in the world. We have a 58 megawatt platform in Korea leverage using our technology. The two largest fuel cell projects in North America also happen to be FuelCell Energy platform. So from a large scale perspective, we're very comfortable with that. And also with the introduction of our solid oxide technology and the ability to transition a customer from utilizing natural gas as an example, to ultimately use utilizing 100% hydrogen, we now have the ability to offer the customer that solution as well. And so we think we're well positioned to go after data centers, and we've also demonstrated the ability to effectively operate in a microgrid applications. So as we think about our company and integrating to be a really compatible solution to data centers.
We think about our baseload capability. We think about how we add other resources for quick ramping because we're a high temperature resource, we think about how you integrate with the grid and we think our technology is well suited for that. But to add a little bit more to that, I'll maybe turn it over to Mark Pease, our Chief Commercial Officer, to give you a sense of how we're approaching that opportunity.
Michael Bishop
And thank you, Jason. So Jason alluded to when you look at this opportunity and there's a few dimensions to it, there is a time to power challenge where companies today are looking to build these data centers and other high-density load requirements more quickly than the grid can can facilitate it. But but even even beyond that, there is just the grid capacity issue there in some cases in some geographies. There's no time line in which the grids are going to go there. And it isn't just a phenomenon that's limited to any specific geography. So you can think about Singapore and Asia. You can think about Ireland in Europe and several areas here in the US. This is an issue where the simple fact is the grid capacity is not going to be there. And so these represent prime power applications.
Jason, I think hit on a real key topic. It isn't just about delivering power. It's delivering power with a with a pathway to deliver better sustainability. So this ability to incorporate hydrogen as a feedstock over time important consideration.
Manav Gupta
Thank you so much, guys.
Jason Few
Thank you.
Operator
Our next question comes from Eric Stine from Craig-Hallum. Your line is now open.
Eric Stine
Good morning, everyone and corner. Okay. So just curious, you mentioned some initiatives to speed the sales closure process. I'm wondering if you could just add some some details to that. And then just curious, I mean, obviously, you want to add product backlog. So maybe a view of where ideally you'd like to see that end up maybe at the end of fiscal '24 and how you see it trending going forward?
Jason Few
Maybe I'll let Mark give you a little sense about how we're moving projects through our sales funnel and really trying to accelerate what we would call Stage four that were in contracting and five is closure. And we talked about a couple of those closed projects this morning that we've done, but I'll let Mark hit on that a little bit. And then we can talk a little bit more about how we think about long-term targets show you that there's many aspects to that.
Michael Bishop
But maybe one common denominator is if you think about delivering energy to someone or hydrogen, someone I'm doing so in a way that transfers risk away from that person. Historically, people have procured gases from an industrial gas supplier and electricity from utility now requiring them to embrace new technologies in order to do that, of course, is always a challenge. It's different than their existing business model. So this can be done. This can be addressed though, via partnerships. And so you've seen us being involved in scenarios in which partnering in energy as a service type arrangements where the technical regulatory and financial risks are transferred away from that end users to a consortium that includes FuelCell Energy and other partners in order to go accomplish that. We also think about our ability to we deliver with excellence in a specific geography or in a specific market segment. So an example that may be our partnership that we've announced with the Malaysian Marine & Heavy Engineering in Asia to really help us figure out how to address key customers and concerns in that geography, leveraging their local presence and expertise and ability to scale.
Jason Few
In addition, in addition to that, Eric, as you think about it, we've got a material opportunity in Korea through repowering that's a real near-term opportunity. We talked about we executed on the no-brainer opportunity. We're optimistic about the opportunities that we see going forward there. And in addition to repowering, when you think about Korea, which is still the largest fuel cell market in the world today under their CHPS., they've talked about 15 gigawatts of deployment of fuel cell technology eight of that being in-country, seven of that being out of country really trying to support, you know, import hydrogen market for for, you know, for their own domestic use. But if you think about that now that we have a platform that today with our solid oxide platform that we can deploy today in Korea and as that hydrogen becomes available to switch as the fuel source that same platform with our solid oxide, we can switch to utilizing 100% hydrogen. And we again, that opens up the aperture of opportunities where we think that we can effectively compete. And so we're very optimistic about that.
Eric Stine
Got it. And I mean, is it something where you have a kind of a specific goal you think hey, exiting exiting fiscal '24 your product backlog. Is this I mean, certainly you anticipate growth, but is this more of a setting the stage for '25, '26, '27? Or do you think that at the end of '24 you could have a decent amount of product?
Jason Few
We certainly have a target relative to backlog in building our backlog throughout the fiscal calendar year for us of 2024. And we think these opportunities will play into that. We think repowering as one of those opportunities. And as we've seen, you know, just here recently the opportunities with our solid oxide platform, and we talked about last quarter, which we're working through contractual terms on a commercial win around leveraging our platform for biofuels in California. And we think with the growing biofuel market or RNG and our ability to take direct biofuels again, positions us really well to start turning this pipeline into closed transactions throughout 2024 Ganite.
Eric Stine
Thank you. And then maybe just the last one here, and I'm not sure I think last quarter you might have provided some specifics but clearly now given the setup in South Korea, there is a big opportunity on the service side on any any specific specifics in terms of kind of near term visibility pipeline Any details would be great.
Jason Few
As I said, we are viewed if you step back and look at our opportunity in Korea with respect to repowering, we directly sold the opportunity at Costco. And so that one is one that we continue to manage. As we always have under our framework of a long-term service agreement, we've successfully now been able to repower no green, which was a project that was sold by our previous partner in the Korean market. And now as those modules came up for replacement or upgrading those modules, we were able to do that. And I have the long-term service agreement for that opportunity. We see the balance of the Gen codes that have our platforms deployed. So call it of 100 megawatts of opportunity as repowering opportunity for us as a company now, we need to go execute those agreements and come to agreement on LTSAs on a go forward basis for those opportunities. But those translate into two things for us. One, it's new module sales because we need to upgrade those modules as part of the repowering and our new long-term service agreement that goes along with those modules that run coterminous, if you will, with those modules. So we see that as a real market opportunity for us and Mark and his team is very focused on the repowering opportunity in Korea.
Eric Stine
Okay. Thank you.
Jason Few
Thank you.
Operator
Your next question comes from Ryan Lynch from B. Riley. Your line is now.
Ryan Pfingst
Hey, good morning, guys.
Jason Few
Good morning.
Ryan Pfingst
First question around OpEx. Just wondering how we should think about R&D going forward as we get closer to commercialization on some of the next gen? And does that start to trend lower year over year in '25, maybe up year over year this year.
Michael Bishop
Good morning, Mike. Ryan, this is Mike. I'll take that question and thank you for joining the call. So on as far as R&D, you have seen it trend up over the last several years. And this is really related to the commercialization efforts that the company is putting into our solid oxide platforms, as Jason mentioned, around power-gen and electrolysis as well as on as well as carbon capture on. So it has trended up the Alm the targets that we put out for this year were between $60 million and $70 million for that line. So we're right in that range kind of at the lower end of that range. So I wouldn't I wouldn't expect to see a material increase from where we sit today.
Ryan Pfingst
That's helpful. But my second question is, do you have an update on on the potential DOE loan guarantee? Or maybe any sense of timing that you could help us?
Jason Few
Yes. So we are where we look to leverage the deal. We loan program opportunities in is in two potential areas. One is around expanding our capacity for solid oxide in North America. And as we talked about, we been doing the work to identify potential new locations, which also may include, you know, additional expansion capacity at our existing facility here in Torrington, which would also be eligible for the DOE loan guarantee. If we go that route The other area is ultimately what we end up doing around expansion of our carbonate platform tied to ultimately our view of the carbon capture opportunity.
So now there's there's about a four-phase process that you go through with the DOE. And we are we are progressing through that process, but don't have a specific answer on timing of closure of that as we sit here today.
Ryan Pfingst
Got it. Thank you. I'll turn it back.
Jason Few
Thank you.
Operator
Our next question comes from Noel Parks from Tuohy Brothers. Your line is now open.
Noel Parks
Hi, good morning. I apologize if you touched on this earlier, I got on a little late, but I wondered if you could talk a bit about the ExxonMobil partnership and sort of you know, in some time announced that and they had sort of formalized making your technology carbon capture technology of choice. And so if you could just talk about maybe the pace of further developments from here as you look ahead.
Jason Few
Yes, good morning. No, how are you doing this morning?
Noel Parks
Yes.
Jason Few
So as we announced that, we have reached a point in the work that we've been doing with Exxon to move forward on the Rotterdam demonstration project at one of their facilities. And so the team is working on building the platform in support of that demonstration effort with Exxon, we were we remain very excited about the opportunity around carbon capture. But the current focus right now is really around the demonstration effort and getting that platform built and ultimately building the demonstration project. And we in February, we also put out an announcement around the funding of the order in support of that demonstration project. So we will continue to advance advanced program.
Noel Parks
Great. And this might be a little bit of a triangulation between various projects you had. But I was wondering the tried and project with Toyota Long Beach is there any analogous use case I'm thinking about on, for example, we may be US Gulf Coast and yes, oil tankers, export facilities and so forth. There's a lot going on with some LNG there as well on the horizon and any similar opportunities that you've talked about or how customers approach you about around about doing Tradjenta in a setting?
Jason Few
Yes, yes. When you think about the TriGen platform and if you just take two of the value streams out of the TriGen platform setting water aside for just a second, you know, clearly opportunities around power generation for distributed power and then hydrogen beyond using hydrogen for transportation, there's conversations around hydrogen for gas blending to help reduce the overall carbon intensity of nat gas is one another way in which the platform can be utilized. We certainly see opportunities around ports, especially when you think about the efforts to decarbonize ports. And if you just take goods movement on site at the port and the need for a source of hydrogen and power as those things either move to hydrogen as a fuel or electrification as a fuel does clearly become ways in which our TriGen platform is advantaged to pursue of additional opportunities that look a lot like what we're doing already at Long Beach and the and probably the most relevant part about that is right. We now have a head of reference to show that what the platform can do, and it's been used in a real commercial application sure that is the demonstration value for sure.
Noel Parks
So okay, great. Thanks a lot.
Jason Few
Thank you. And Ellie, I think that's all the questions that we have canceled the questions.
Operator
So we have. I'd now like to hand back over to Jason for a few closing remarks.
Jason Few
Ali, Thank you. We will continue to execte on our Powerhouse business strategy with the goal of delivering value to our customers, growth and optimizing returns.
Thank you all for joining the call today and for your interest in FuelCell Energy. We look forward to updating you again next quarter. Have a great day.
Operator
Thank you for attending today's call. You may now all disconnect. Have a wonderful day.
