Q4 2023 RadNet Inc Earnings Call
Participants
Mark Stolper; EVP & CFO; RadNet, Inc.
Howard Berger; President & CEO; RadNet, Inc.
Brian Tanquilut; Analyst; Jefferies Financial Group Inc.
David MacDonald; Analyst; SunTrust Bank
John Ransom; Analyst; Raymond James Financial, Inc.
Gary Taylor; Analyst; Cowen Inc.
Larry Solow; Analyst; CJS Securities Inc.
Ed Kressler; Analyst; TPG Angelo Gordon
Jim Sidoti; Analyst; Sidoti & Company, LLC
Presentation
Operator
Good day and welcome to the RadNet, Inc. fourth quarter 2023 financial results conference call. All participants will be in a listen only mode. Did you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. You ask the question. You may press star, then one on a touchtone phone. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over Mark Stolper, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at RadNet. Please go ahead.
Mark Stolper
Thank you. Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for joining Dr. Howard Berger and me today to discuss RadNet's Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2023 financial results.
Before we begin today, we'd like to remind everyone that the Safe Harbor statement under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. This presentation contains forward-looking statements within the meaning of the US Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Specifically statements concerning anticipated future financial and operating performance, RadNet's ability to continue to grow the business by generating patient referrals and contracts with radiology practices, recruiting and retaining technologists, receiving third-party reimbursement for diagnostic imaging services, successfully integrating acquired operations generating revenue and adjusted EBITDA for the acquired operations as estimated, among others are forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Safe Harbor. Forward-looking statements are based on management's current preliminary expectations and are subject to risks and uncertainties, which may cause RadNet's actual results to differ materially from the statements contained herein. These risks and uncertainties include those risks set forth in RadNet's reports filed with the SEC from time to time, including RadNet's annual report on Form 10 K for the year ended December 31st, 2023 filed yesterday. Undue reliance should not be placed on forward-looking statements, especially guidance on future financial performance, which speaks only as of the date it is made. Radnet undertakes no obligation to update publicly any forward-looking statements to reflect new information events or circumstances after the date they were made or to reflect the occurrence of unanticipated events.
And with that, I'd like now to turn the call over to Dr. Berger.
Howard Berger
Thank you, Mark. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. And on today's call, Mark and I plan to provide you with highlights from our fourth quarter and full year 2023 results give you more insight into the factors which affected this performance and discuss our future strategy. After our prepared remarks, we will open the call to your questions. I'd like to thank all of you for your interest in our Company and for dedicating a portion of your day participate in our conference call this morning.
Let's begin, I am very pleased with the strong performance in the fourth quarter. The imaging center segment revenue increased 8.6% and adjusted EBITDA increased 11% from last year's fourth quarter, resulting in RadNet quarterly records of both revenue and adjusted EBITDA performance was the result of a continuation of strong industry trends and execution on a multi-pronged growth strategy focused on driving same-center performance.
The expansion of existing and establishment of new health system partnerships and investments made in both denovo imaging centers and newer technologies of equipment software and AI solutions we experienced a 7.9% in aggregate and 5.5% same center procedural volume growth in this year's fourth quarter relative to last year's same quarter. Demand for wireless services remains robust in virtually all core markets as outpatient imaging continues to be shifted from more expensive, expensive hospital settings towards more cost efficient ambulatory sites like the ones RadNet operates contributing to the record.
Adjusted EBITDA performance was also a labor market that while still challenged challenging to attract and retain talent has stabilized and improves since its most challenging post-COVID periods. We continue to focus on strengthening the balance sheet by managing liquidity and financial leverage. At year end 2023, RadNet's cash balance was over $342 million and a net leverage ratio was under two times adjusted EBITDA.
Our days sales outstanding DSOs at December 31, 2023 was 32 gauge, RadNet's historic low and we believe among the lowest in the industry. The improvement in revenue cycle operations and collections has contributed to the ability to make important investments in the future of RadNet, particularly in the area of de novo facility development.
We began a significant de novo expansion strategy in 2022, which continued through throughout 2023. We are making extraordinary capital investments in developing facilities, which should improve our capacity and patient access madness should begin benefiting from the financial contribution of these facility openings openings in 2024, during which we expect to see our first patients in about a dozen of these new centers. As you know, our centers are located in markets where we are experiencing patient backlogs require additional capacity, all in locations where we currently lack access points to service identified patient populations.
Second area of investment and focus has been an expanding joint venture and health system initiatives. We currently have 24 system joint ventures, representing over 35% of our 366 centers. We continue to believe that we could have more than half of our centers in health and health system partnerships within three years. As an example, in September of 2023, we announced a significant expansion of our relationship with Cedars-Sinai Medical Health System in the Los Angeles area, establishing a new joint venture called Los Los Angeles imaging group, as well as broadening existing three center joint venture Santa Monica imaging group to include the contribution of seven additional centers from both RadNet and Cedar Sinai, forward-thinking and entrepreneurial health systems like Cedars-Sinai are increasingly seeking a long-term viable strategy for diagnostic imaging and RadNet represents an attractive strategic direction for these organizations.
As we look ahead to 2024, we anticipate the expansion of several health system relationships and the establishment of new joint venture relationships. Tuck-in acquisitions will also remain an active part of RadNet's growth strategy and investment. The diagnostic imaging industry remains fragmented and smaller operators are unable to provide the patient access and level of care that can be facilitated today with investments in newer hardware, software and artificial intelligence technologies. Furthermore, the rising cost of capital increased interest rates, reimbursement pressure from Medicare and other private payers and the necessity of scale to drive efficiencies and profitability made joining the RadNet network more attractive than ever.
In 2023, we completed several tuck-in acquisitions in Southern California, New York and Delaware. Earlier this week, some of you may have seen the announcement that we signed a definitive agreement to purchase the assets of seven imaging centers in the greater Houston, Texas metropolitan area from Houston Medical Imaging. Uc represents the first new geographical market Radnet will have entered since 2020. The Houston Metropolitan marketplace encompassing about 7.3 million people is the fourth, most populous city and a second fastest-growing metropolitan area in the United States.
Houston Medical Imaging with its seven well-recognized facilities, approximately 140 team members paying over 20 radiologists has been stable factor in the radiology market in Houston for over 30 years. And we believe HMI is a platform for which to grow a new core network for RadNet we are confident of the opportunity for further acquisitions, de novo buildouts, health system partnerships and other means of expansion, which includes bringing our AI and leading edge clinical and operating digital health solutions to the patients and referring communities of the greater Houston area.
As we move further in 2024 and beyond, we will continue to have a disciplined approach to evaluating opportunities to expand outside of our core markets. We continue to invest and pursue growth opportunities in artificial intelligence and radiology software solutions. Implementation of our enhanced breast cancer detection, EBC the SCREAM demography service is continuing on the West Coast. We are now fully implemented in Southern California and Arizona, and we'll begin rolling out the program in approximately 18 central and northern California demography locations in March.
We are pleased to report that we are experiencing higher initial adoption rates on the West Coast as a result of learnings from our East Coast experience. We continue to work with our partners in the United Kingdom and the expansion of the targeted lung health check lung cancer screening program where deep health agents division is providing the principal AI. solution in the four country rollout, we expect to see continued growth in agents from this program and other similar one screening programs during 2024. In 2023, our AI. segment revenue grew 278% from these initiatives and AI revenue in 2024 is anticipated to grow over 65%.
With continued adoption of artificial intelligence solutions. We further believe that RadNet's AI. business will reach adjusted EBITDA breakeven by year end 2024. In 2023, we announced the development of our detail OSAI. powered health in from NetIQ's portfolio designed to dramatically drive efficiency and transform the role of radiology and health care at the heart of their offering is a cloud native operating system, which leverages both clinical AI that improves disease detection and generates an generative AI. to efficiently orchestrate patient engagement and care delivery. We will begin internally internal implementation during 2024 and expect that many of the details OS. tools will be incorporated into our into the RadNet workflow by year end, the expectation is that external customers, including the over 200 current customers of eRAD could begin licensing the commercialized GPLOS. solutions beginning early in 2025.
This brings me to the final point I would like to make before turning the call back to Mark in last evening's financial results press release, we announced the formation of the RadNet digital health financial reporting segment effective January first, 2024, which combines the current E red and DPL, I'm aware software businesses into what was our clinical AI reporting segment throughout 2023 as we have been growing our eRAD software solutions and AI. businesses separately, we have increasingly recognize that these businesses are quite different than our core imaging center business in terms of their operational and financial profile and that they require a different level of focus and expertise to manage.
Over the past year, we have been able to attract an executive team with experience in managing digital health businesses. The financial impact of this and these digital health businesses has great potential for RadNet, both as a customer of the detailed OS. and AI. solutions. And of course, as the owner of these businesses, which sell these solutions to customers outside of RadNet software businesses and in particular, SaaS based models can operate at significantly higher margin than RadNet's core imaging center segment and require less capital investments. The digital health segment is projected to be profitable in 2024 and grow in the range of approximately 20% to 40% in 2024 over 2023.
At this time, I'd like to turn the call back over to Mark to discuss some of the highlights of our fourth quarter and full year 2023 performance as well as discuss our 2024 guidance. Please finished, I will make some closing remarks.
Mark Stolper
Thank you, Howard. I'm now going to briefly review our fourth quarter and full year 2023 performance and attempt to highlight what I believe to be some material items. I will also give some further explanation of certain items in our financial statements as well as provide some insights into some of the metrics that drove our fourth quarter and full year 2023 performance. I will also provide 2024 financial guidance levels, which were released in this morning's financial or I should say last night's financial press release in my discussion, I will use the term adjusted EBITDA, which is a non-GAAP financial measure. The Company defines adjusted EBITDA as earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization, and excludes losses or gains on the disposal of equipment, other income or loss on debt extinguishment and non-cash equity compensation.
Adjusted EBITDA includes or equity earnings in unconsolidated operations and subtracts allocations of earnings to noncontrolling interest in subsidiaries and is adjusted for noncash or extraordinary and one-time events taking place during the period. A full quantitative reconciliation of adjusted EBITDA to net income or loss attributable to RadNet, Inc. common shareholders is included in our earnings release.
That said, I'd like now like to review our fourth quarter and full year 2023 results for the fourth quarter of 2023, RadNet reported revenue from its imaging center reporting segment of $415.3 million and adjusted EBITDA of $68.3 million. This excludes a revenue of $5.1 million and adjusted EBITDA losses of $2.5 million during the quarter as compared with last year's fourth quarter imaging center segment revenue increased $32.8 million or 8.6% and adjusted EBITDA increased $6.7 million or 11%.
Including our AI reporting segment total company revenue was $420.4 million in the fourth quarter of 2023, an increase of 9.5% from $383.9 million in last year's fourth quarter, including the adjusted EBITDA losses of the AI. reporting segment of $2.5 million in the fourth quarter of 2023 and $4.3 million in the fourth quarter of 2022. Total company adjusted EBITDA was $65.8 million in the fourth quarter of 2023 and $57.2 million in the fourth quarter of 2022, a growth rate of 15% for the fourth quarter of 2023 as compared with the prior year's fourth quarter, MRI volume increased 13.2%. Ct volume increased 11.3% and PET/CT volume increased 18.5%.
Overall volume taking into account routine imaging exams, inclusive of x-ray, ultrasound, mammography and all other exams increased 7.9% over the prior year's fourth quarter on a same-center basis, including only those centers which were part of RadNet for both the fourth quarters of 2023 and 2022, MRI volume increased 10.8%. Ct volume increased 8.2% and PET/CT volume increased 17.4%. Overall, same-center volume, taking into account all routine imaging exams increased 5.5% over the prior year same quarter.
Adjusting for a number of unusual or one-time items impacting the fourth quarter of 2023. Adjusted earnings from the imaging center reporting segment was $13.7 million and diluted adjusted earnings per share was $0.2 during the fourth quarter of 2023 as compared with $0.11 during the fourth quarter of 2022. The unusual or one-time items impacting the fourth quarter of 2023.
Excluded in calculating adjusted earnings were as follows 7.2 million of non-cash loss from interest rate swaps, $621,000 of severance paid in connection with headcount reductions related to cost savings initiatives, $880,000 of expenses related to leases for de novo facilities under construction that have yet to open their operations, $222,000 of acquisition transaction costs, $429,000 gain from the valuation adjustment for contingent consideration related to acquisitions. $1.3 million of non-capitalized research and development investments in the deep health, cloud-based OS. and generative AI solutions, $5.1 million loss or lease abandonment and a $5 million of pretax losses related to our AIR. two reporting segments on an unadjusted basis.
For the fourth quarter of 2023, RadNet reported a net loss of $1.9 million as compared with a net loss of $934,000 for the fourth quarter of 2022. Net loss per share for the fourth quarter of 23, unadjusted was negative $0.03 compared with a net loss per share of negative $0.02 in the fourth quarter of 2022. Based upon a weighted average number of diluted shares outstanding of 67.9 million shares in 2023 and 57 million shares in 2022.
With regards to some specific income statement accounts. Overall, GAAP interest expense for the fourth quarter of 2022 was $16.6 million. This compares with GAAP interest expense in the fourth quarter of 2022 of $15.4 million cash paid for interest during the period, which excludes noncash deferred financing expense, accrued interest and payments to and from swap counterparties was $5.6 million as compared with $8.9 million in the fourth quarter of last year. The lower cash paid for interest in this year's fourth quarter was a function of the timing of our so for elections on our term loan, despite higher interest rates in the fourth quarter of 2023 relative to last year's fourth quarter.
For full year 2023, we reported revenue from our imaging center reporting segment of $1.604 billion and adjusted EBITDA, excluding losses from the AI. reporting segment of $245.1 million in 2023, revenue increased $178.5 million or 12.5% and adjusted EBITDA increased $36.1 million or 17.2% as compared with 2022 for 2023.
Adjusted EBITDA margin for the imaging center segment was 15.3%, an increase of 60 basis points from 2022, which had a 14.7% adjusted EBITDA margin, including our AI segment, total company revenue of $12.5 million. Total company revenue was 1,617 million for full year 2023, an increase of 13% from $1.430 billion in 2022, including adjusted EBITDA losses from the AI. segment of $12.8 million. Total company adjusted EBITDA for 2023 was $232.3 million as compared with $192.5 million in 2022, an increase of 20.7% for the year ended December 31, 2023, as compared with 2022.
MRI volume increased 13.3%. Ct volume increased 11.3% and PET/CT volume increased 18.5% Overall volume taking into account routine imaging exams, inclusive of x-ray, ultrasound, mammography and all other exams increased 7.9% for the 12 months of 2023 over 2022.
For 2023, RadNet reported net income of $3 million, a decrease of approximately $7.6 million over 2022 per share. Diluted net income for the full year of 2023 was $0.05 compared to a diluted net income per share of $0.17 in 2022, based upon a weighted average number of diluted shares outstanding of $64.7 million in 2023 and $57.3 million in 2022.
With regards to some specific income statement accounts overall GAAP interest expense in 2023 was $64.5 million. Adjusting for the impacts from items such as amortization of further of deferred financing fees, accrued interest and payments to and from swap counterparties on interest rate swaps, net of interest earned on our cash balance. Cash interest at net cash interest expense was $38.3 million in 2023.
With regards to our balance sheet as of December 31, 2023, unadjusted for bond and term loan discounts, we had $465.3 million of net debt, which is our total debt at par value less our cash balance. Note that this debt balance includes RadNet's ownership percentage of New Jersey Imaging network's net debt of $63.2 million, for which RadNet is neither a borrower nor guarantor.
As of year-end 2023, we were undrawn on our $195 million revolving line of credit, and we had a cash balance of $342.6 million at December 31, 2023. Our accounts receivable balance was $163.7 million, a decrease of $2.7 million from year end 2022, despite revenue being up 13% during 2023. This was the result of improved revenue cycle performance and collections efforts. These improved efforts caused our DSO to decrease from 38.8 days at December 31st, 2020 to 32 days at December 31st, 2023, which is our all-time low.
Throughout 2023, we had total capital expenditures net of asset dispositions and the sale of imaging center assets and joint venture interests of $153 million. This and This amount excludes $18.6 million of capital expenditures of New Jersey Imaging Network, a onetime $19.8 million purchase on a promissory note of equipment previously leased under operating leases and a $5 million purchase of software and other intellectual property from a vendor capital expenditures in 2023 were higher than we originally budgeted as the result, as is as a result of the construction of certain de novo facilities that became operational towards the end of 23 or expect it to become operational within 2024.
As some of you may have seen in the financial results press release we made last night after market close, and as discussed by Dr. Berger in his earlier remarks, starting with our fiscal 2024, we are changing our operating and financial reporting segments. Specifically, the eRAD software businesses and related Health Informatics businesses that were reported as part of our imaging center segment throughout 2023 will now be combined with our artificial intelligence segment to form a new digital health financial reportable segment, starting with the first quarter of 2024, the eRAD and informatics business embedded within the imaging center segment in 2023 were highly profitable. These businesses produced $37.1 million of revenue, had $16.4 million of operating expenses and earn $20.7 million of adjusted EBITDA.
For the purposes of understanding and evaluating our 2024 guidance in last night's financial press release, we state we restated our 2023 operating segment results to be presented as if the two new operating segments, meaning the imaging center segment and the digital health segment existed as of January first, 2023.
While I'm not going to run through all the numbers on this call, I will emphasize some important points. First, on the core imaging center segment, we are anticipating revenue growth in 2024 to be as much as 8.5%. And we expect adjusted EBITDA growth in 2024 from the imaging center segment to be 11.4% to 15.8%. While we continue to make elevated capital expenditures and expenditures in 2024, the aggregate amount is anticipated to be approximately 10% to 15% less than what we spent in 2023, we are off.
We are also expecting free cash flow in the imaging center segment to approximately double and 2024 on the new digital health reportable segment, we are anticipating revenue growth in 2024 of between 21% and 41% and adjusted EBITDA growth of between 51% and 77%. The majority of the revenue growth is anticipated from both the continued enhanced breast cancer detection or EBCD. implementation and from our lung and prostate AI. licensing businesses, particularly in Europe, the AI. portion of our digital health business is projected to grow by over 65% and is anticipated to reach breakeven by year end 2024 from an EBIT from an adjusted EBITDA standpoint.
Finally, our digital health segment guidance reflects the substantial investment we are making in the development of our detailed POS. cloud-based operating system and the generative AI modules that could lower our costs and increase efficiency in the areas of patient scheduling, preauthorization, insurance verification and revenue cycle. We believe this research and development investment will pay dividends both in our core imaging center business and for the current and future customers outside of RadNet.
I'd now like to turn the call back over to Dr. Berger who will make some closing remarks.
Howard Berger
Thank you, Mark. As we look to 2024, we have reason to remain enthusiastic about our future. The core imaging business is healthy and growing procedural volumes and patient demand are strong. Payers and patients are increasingly moving procedural volumes to our centers and away from hospital-based imaging operations. That charge prices that are unsustainable and a health care system attempting to manage costs in addition to the site of care shift taking place, the overall industry continues to grow, driven in part by advances in technology which drive more medical indications for ordering diagnostic imaging procedures.
Additionally, the population is aging and growing and continues to see noninvasive prevent and cost development has already said that there was a big change. Our local news begins to take their names like positioned for long-term growth and success in this dynamic marketplace in a period where the cost of capital has risen significantly, we may modestly leverage. You have more liquidity and capital resources as compared to virtually all of our scale operators in the industry. This places us in the best position to pursue growth opportunities, both organic and inorganic in a time period where many others do not have the financial capacity or flexibility.
But perhaps the most important aspect of this report is the formation as I ran a digital health position, the future of health care will be substantially driven by artificial intelligence and radiology can lead the way a successful AI. initiative relies on scale, operations and access to large data sets. Radnet has accumulated both of these components over several decades of existence. The newly created digital health division will allow our stakeholders to better recognize the growth and success of this concession components of the RadNet family of services.
In conclusion, we have never been more excited than we are today about what lies ahead for R.E.D. We feel as if we are better positioned today than at any other time in our history to execute on the multi multifaceted strategy that we have created, we look forward to updating our stakeholders throughout the rest of 2024.
On our progress operator, we are now ready for the question-and-answer portion of the call.
Question and Answer Session
Operator
We will now begin the question-and-answer session to ask a question. You may press star then one on your touchtone phone. If you're using speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press star then two. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble. Our first question today comes from Brian Tanquilut with Jefferies. Please go ahead.
Brian Tanquilut
Hey, good morning, guys, and congrats on a solid quarter and solid year. Maybe, Howard, I'll ask you. First, obviously, volumes have been pretty strong and the outlook for 2024 looks like you're expecting continued strength in volumes. Just curious what you're seeing there?
And then maybe if there's anything you can share with us in terms of the differentiation and performance between your JV centers versus the non-JV ones from a same-store from a volume perspective, as well?
Howard Berger
Hi, Brian. Thank you. And we tried to answer this in two parts as far as overall volume is concerned, and we do have significant backlogs virtually in all of our markets. Part of that is driven by demand. Part of it is driven by the continued challenge that we have for labor. And while I believe that that has improved and began that turnaround in perhaps the second part of 2023 and is continuing into 2024. And it still does compromise the ability for us to access all of the capacity that we've created.
But we feel that this issue will continue to be dealt with both through aggressive of talent acquisition tools that we're employing, as well as programs that we're using to help provide the educational support to overcome the shortage of and technologies and other administrative personnel. Part of this, you may have seen the announcement with the collaborative venture that we have with and nonprofit organization here in Southern California by our JVS. that we announced about two weeks ago.
So this will be an ongoing initiative on our part I should say that part of this problem will also be attended to by the development of the generative AI pLADD portion of our deep health OS solutions, which we expect to begin implementing in the second half in the RadNet centers centers in the second half of the year 2024, 2024 calendar year.
On regards, Brian, to the volumes. I differential of liners that are difference between joint venture as centers and wholly owned centers. I'm one of the reasons that we are bullish and looking to increase the percentage of centers that are under joint venture is for the very reason that when we combine the talents of RadNet as well as the health systems aggressive and the nature of enrolling or incorporating physician delivery services, we have seen a shift from local competitors or even their hospitals into our centers, which has driven better profitability for them.
And for us, if it were possible. I wouldn't mind having all its soon to be 400 centers that we're going to have into joint ventures simply because I think in addition to operational efficiencies as well as volume drivers as we also have better discussions or more robust discussions with the payers for reimbursement. So that portion of our business, which I think we started to more aggressively pursue three years ago, I think is one of the major contributors in the company's success and which we think is a very appropriate place for us to be in the overall health care marketplace as well as under the current economic circumstances.
Brian Tanquilut
And I appreciate that, Howard. And then maybe my second question. As I think about your decision to enter Houston, obviously, a little bit of a deviation from your legacy strategy of being on the coasts, right? So just curious what the thought process was and what it is about the Houston market attracted you there and then maybe sort of the expansion plan, right? Because you obviously and price value strategy like being deep in the market. So and even joint ventures, as you said. So just curious how you're thinking about the rollout of your new RadNet model into the Houston market here?
Howard Berger
Well, as I talked about in the past, Brian, we don't necessarily have a business development team that goes knocking on doors we're looking for there are motivated sellers. And whether those sellers are in the markets that we're currently in, or whether they're in markets that we might look to grow into. This was a situation where the operator, I've been looking for an exit strategy and didn't want to roll up into a larger operation, both for a number of the reasons that Mark mentioned in his remarks and about scale and stability as well as access to capital and new technologies.
When this operator approached us. He had already we looked at the landscape of other opportunities and felt that we were clearly a best-of-breed, if you will. So over the last several months, we've had an active negotiation with him as we assess the marketplace. And perhaps one of the major drivers is the size of the Houston marketplace and perhaps a little less some regulatory issues than we're used to experiencing in some of our other major metropolitan marketplaces. So Houston tends to be more friendly or Texas in particular, Houston. It tends to be a more attractive marketplace and we were just looking for the right entry point.
We had opportunities in the past, but never one that we felt was a good platform company. This operator has a history and end market of successful operations and growth, a very well recognized professional group and the desire to expand. And we are working and assessing other opportunities as we talk in that marketplace, which I think you will hear more from us later about later in this year on the expression that we like to use is that where we're not a buy and hold or a buy and build.
So in any market, a new market that we want to go into, we look for our growth strategy and given the the demographics of that marketplace given the size of the population and similar problems that people are having in other markets where there's a lot of demand and not a lot of capacity, we felt it was a good place to raise the red flag and we have high expectations for the Houston market as part of our next core marketplace.
Brian Tanquilut
Awesome. Thank you, Howard.
Howard Berger
Thanks, Brian.
Operator
Our next question comes from David MacDonald with SunTrust. Please go ahead.
David MacDonald
Thank you. Hi, good morning, guys. Congratulations on just a couple of quick questions. One kind of coming back to Brian's capacity volume backlog question, I was wondering, can you just spend a minute talking about some of the ongoing investments you guys have made around new equipment, the benefits that that's driven in terms of freeing up capacity, shorter scan times, et cetera? And is there additional opportunity around technology to kind of further alleviate some of the pressure on the capacity side?
Howard Berger
Yes, good morning, David. Absolutely. And we've made a number of investments and to kind of test this the theory of shorter scan times and remote operational control, both of which have been very successful and which we will now continue to invest in, particularly when it comes to MRI scanning where the history of MRI over the years has we do scan times from 45 minutes to an hour down to 30 minutes and down to 20. The new technology, which is a total software implementation, can reduce that scan time further, perhaps down to us literally 10 minutes on certain exams.
Buying this software is relatively less expensive than it is to obviously buy another MRI system and you don't have the kind of costly investment in the facility to site equipment. So I believe that is one of the benefits that we're seeing from the increased volume that we had in 2023, particularly in the second half of the year.
And another one, though, is the technology related to the ability to have one remote technologist control the operation of several scanners convenient for MR and for CT scanning. And we believe we can expand this into ultrasound and perhaps even demography, which we're now looking at part of the initiative in our digital health division will be to develop some of these tools internally where we can amortize the cost of that over all of our systems and not necessarily have it be a serial investment that we have to incur for every piece of equipment on it.
So I think we'll with the success that we had, again in the second half of it 2023 a year. And with the roll off for more of these centers, it will also not only, I believe, help us with the scan time efficiencies, but help us address the shortage of personnel, particularly technologies. There can allow us to have what we call Supertex overseeing this and then take a look at our individual centers, not necessarily fully licensed technology. So this part of the creativity aspect of RadNet is something that we think we've been good at.
But which now given I think the investment that we're talking about, it capable of making both because of our financial liquidity as well as in the technology side, as the business can't be underestimated, I think it's important for all of our stakeholders to recognize that whether we're talking about artificial intelligence or the equipment itself, our businesses very highly technologically driven and all the tools that we can use to lead technology, do the work will ultimately inure to the benefit of our performance, both in terms of new procedures, adding capacity and lowering overall costs. So I think these are a multifaceted approach to our investment thesis where we're not just developing these tools so that we can sell them. But given the scale that we have and the data that we have, nobody is better at developing these tools than we are internally.
David MacDonald
And then I guess just two other quick questions. Look, I realize it's extremely early, but I'm just curious on the reaction, if any that you've gotten within the Houston market. I mean, it's a huge market. There's a ton of hospital systems in that market on. And I'm just kind of curious, any initial reactions or incomings in terms of conversations, opportunities, et cetera. Just any general comments there?
Howard Berger
Well, I don't think we've had much reaction as yet because the customary review and we haven't closed the transaction. We've signed a definitive agreement. We expect to close the transaction next month in April, but some early indications are that people are excited about us coming into the marketplace to bring new tools that we are now identified with as well as other operators that may not have perhaps assessed the the desirability of consolidating into a bigger operator.
So there's active discussions right now we expect that we'll hear from some of the hospital systems in that marketplace, too, because some of the hospitals that we have joint ventures with are on a national scale and have operations in the Texas marketplace. So on, I think this will be a reaction, if you will, that will have a ripple effect, not only in Texas, but maybe in other areas that we wanted to signal that were open for business and ready to look at win-win opportunities, no matter where that market might be.
David MacDonald
Okay. And then just last one, I'm curious, are you servicing or have you begun to service any Alzheimer's patients at this point? And you know, if and when that opportunity starts to ramp more meaningfully, is there anything we should think about in terms of either disproportionate opportunities or governors on the as that volume starts to ramp?
Howard Berger
Yes. Another good question, Dave. And we just recently went through the credentialing process and making certain that the as systems, the MR scanners, in particular, the PET/CT scanners that we have has the appropriate protocols here. So far, we have either perform or have on the books, 100 of these procedures that we will be performing on and the questions come in of the requests come in daily for this, we'd expect this to be a significant opportunity for the Company as as we move through this and if we make any comparison to the success that we've achieved in PET-CT scanning as for prostate cancer, it should be a significant contributor in 2024, but more so probably in 2025.
I also want to emphasize that it's not just doing for scan for the Alzheimer's disease itself, which currently is done with either PET CT or PET PET MR equipment. But it's also then the requirement for follow on MRI scanning of the brain to assess any kind of side effects, which some of these drugs have demonstrated that they're capable of doing. And the protocol that works currently, we're going to be adhering to will be that there will be, I think, a minimum of four MRI scans on any patient that is identified as a candidate for the new Alzheimer's drug therapy. So the ripple effect of this could be quite substantial and is another reason why we have to be very focused on capacity issues.
Mark Stolper
Yes. And it's pretty exciting day because our PET/CT business is already the fastest growing part of our company, albeit it's a small percentage of our volume, roughly 0.6% of our volume, but it does represent between 6% and 7% of our overall revenue. And you know, it grew 18.5% in the fourth quarter or over the full year from 23 to 22, it grew 18.8% that's mostly not from the U.S. Alzheimer's opportunity of it's mostly from the PSMA prostate scanning that has been exploding.
And so, you know, if you layer on top of this Alzheimer's opportunity, which we think is is coming to fruition, having already scanned 100 patients. And by the way that those 100 plus patients we've scanned has all been in the last four months or so on the as these patients get qualified to get these amyloid PET CT studies, we think that this is going to be a big growth driver potentially in 24, but certainly beyond 24.
David MacDonald
Okay. Thank you very much.
Howard Berger
Thank you, Dave.
Operator
Next question comes from John Ransom with Raymond James. Please go ahead.
John Ransom
Hey, good morning. Congrats guys. So Mark, I'm going to challenge you with the math question. Hope you got your HP12C. all fired up ready to go.
Howard Berger
He doesn't have that, but he has his pen, John.
Mark Stolper
I'm an advocate.
John Ransom
That's funny. So if we think about the EBITDA in '24, how much of that is from acquisitions and de novos that did not exist in '23.
And then to kind of follow on to that question, if we think about the run rate of that EBITDA going into '25. How much higher is that the run rate for the full year versus layering a vendor of the year? So something about your acquisitions of those '24 or '23 and then kind of the jumping off point for '25. Thanks
Mark Stolper
Sure. With respect to acquisitions, it's very small. The contribution we included the because the Houston deal was already announced we included the remaining period of this year from from closing that transaction. We did a small acquisition earlier in this year in Antelope Valley in California. So I know that the contribution of in our EBITDA for next year on the $250 million to $260 million number is less than $10 million in terms of our acquisitions.
With respect to de novo facilities. I don't have that number exactly in front of me, but my recollection is that the centers that are outside of the same center due to two de novos that we opened up in 2023 is probably in the range of I would say just look at something here.
I've got a report in front of me another five to 6 million. So it's between those two between those two, I would say between $10 million and $15 million, probably closer to $15 million of our $200 million to $260 million of EBITDA is coming from the contribution of those acquisitions I mentioned as well as the denovo centers that are ramping.
John Ransom
And my other question is, if we look at ERAD. was a I missed what's the exit rate of EBITDA as I get to breakeven? What are you contemplating in terms of the exit rate of that EBITDA versus the full year? So think about 25, yes, bridging that to 25.
Mark Stolper
Yes. So the revenue that we have projected for the year is $60 million to $70 million, but there's going to be higher revenue in the fourth quarter due to the ramp of EBCD. on which I would say just thinking here and we might be closer to you. If you look if you divided the $60 million, let's say, by four quarters, you'd be doing $15 million a quarter, I'd say by exiting that year, we'd probably be closer to $20 million a quarter. And that's just a gut feel I don't have the hub to budget in ANIINAI. being an AI. being kind of breakeven in the fourth quarter from a loss today, it's been a I put it AI. being breakeven on an EBITDA basis by the fourth quarter.
John Ransom
Yes. Okay. Plus to look. And then lastly, if you could be market dominant, um, when would you say you get the first meaningful payer participation in your A I kind of covering may I call, or do you think it's an out-of-pocket expense for the foreseeable future?
Howard Berger
I don't think I could predict, John, when we're likely to see that come. And fortunately, in conversations that we've had with the payers, there's always a hesitation on their part to incur additional expense when they may not intellectually be able to them get themselves comfortable with what that payback is. I believe that will happen and it may take another 1.5 to 2 years is that as the adoption of AI continues on a private pay basis that the pressure will mount on the part of that as a commercial payers to reimburse for for this, once we've been doing it long enough to demonstrate that there is a significant an improvement in the cancer detection rate and at the same time, reduce the callback rate or false positives.
But given that we've just started commercializing this and really last year, we're going to need a little bit more time, probably another year to year-and-a-half to collect or accumulate enough data to make that kind of a compelling argument so that it isn't just about how you reduce the treatment, if you will. It's really a matter of and actually reduced the treatment from cancer that is detected. But how you can actually pay for this by reduced by detecting the cancer and earlier and reducing the number of false positives that we have, which is a significant cost to the health care system.
So I wish I could be more enthusiastic because I don't think on my history in this business that there's been anything more exciting than the earlier detection of cancer, right now we're primarily focused on of breast cancer, but we're seeing similar benefits in the UK with our program there, with aid with the National Health Service has now made it a reimbursable part for providers for getting all of their at-risk lung cancer patients in for annual screening. So I think there needs to be a certain amount of momentum built up for this and and other tools that we need to introduce into the marketplace, which we are actively working on right now to get the attention of a wider group of payers and regulators.
John Ransom
Thank you very much.
Operator
Your next question comes from Gary Taylor with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.
Gary Taylor
We'll actually have TD Cowen now, JPMorgan's a little bit stale, but nevertheless, just a couple of questions. First, on the imaging center CapEx guide of $130 million, Mark, we've talked a little bit, but is the right way to think about that $130 million is, call it half, maybe a little more than half of that is kind of routine maintenance CapEx and the other $60 million would really be development CapEx for the Novoste?
Mark Stolper
Yes, that's not too far off, Gary. We've been spending a lot of money as you saw in 22 and 23 on the ramp of these de novo centers, which still haven't contributed materially to our on to our financials on that spends on growth.
Capex and de novo centers, as you know, is going to bleed here into 2024 as we've got more than a dozen of those centers still in various stages of development and construction. So 50 50 in terms of that of our CapEx budget here in 2024 is pretty close to actual.
Gary Taylor
Thanks. And then my second one, just thinking about the number of competitors around is AI in cancer diagnosis. And I like big market, lot of different players trying to get in there game in theory, given that you're also an operator, you're not just a aye develop per year. I would think your go-to market strategy outside of your own centers would be somewhat it's a managed by your own role as an operator versus just a technology company and so forth. Could you talk about that a little bit and just kind of how you're thinking about and how you'll how you'll compete with these other folks that are, you know, have developed, you know, breast in particular sort of AI solutions?
Howard Berger
Yes, it's a good question, Gary. The problem, if you will, with artificial intelligence is who's going to pay for it. And I think part of the a slow adoption of what I think are some very good tools and is the fact that nobody wants to and with payers put money out for something that they don't necessarily see a value proposition right now and whether it's a hospital system or whether it's an outpatient provider, that question of who bears that cost is the one that I think has slowed down almost every AI developer out there into a meaningful revenue stream.
I expect there's going to be a lot of consolidation in the AI space here for two reasons number one, as I said, most of the the new companies have been unable to demonstrate revenue and are therefore having difficulty attracting more venture capital and then also the higher interest rates and the need for a and more visible return on investment from venture capital and private equity companies. I. is beginning to have limitations on what they're willing to spend on some ad development. So we think that we'll see and there already has been some and groups that have come to us to talk about either being a distributor for them or potentially have an acquisition target for us.
And I want to emphasize the distributor part of this because part of our platform, which is the deep health OS. is the ability for us take other AI products and put them onto our platform and offer them up, whether it's internally to our own centers or externally to other customers in a far more seamless way than exists right now. So to I think you're right in that we can develop a lot of this and create value for ourselves. I even though it may not be on it. Individual case bases have much.
But given the scale that we have, for example, in the breast cancer area, we do in excess of 1.5 million screening mammograms a year and growing right now over a third, probably closer to 35% of all of the women getting streaming demography are electing to have the RAI. solution that they pay $40 for. So if you do that math, it's generates by itself almost more revenue for RadNet than almost any other AI radiology product.
So as I indicated in my remarks here, scale of operations and datasets are what's going to drive opportunities, afford a eye in the future, but make no mistake about it. It is going to be the future of health care. And it's going to be very much an important part of what RadNet and all the other imaging providers are going to have to gravitate to if they expect to both compete in the future marketplace as well as deal with some of the intrinsic costs and capacity issues that we're confronted that we're all confronted with now and Gary and guarantee to your question directly about our potential advantage in developing and selling these solutions.
Mark Stolper
We have Dr. Berger mentioned the data set. We're now north of 100 million digital images and growing by 10 million a year given our current size, which is a huge advantage in terms of developing and training these algorithms.
And secondly, as we deploy them in RadNet 366 and growing number of centers. We can be a test bed for our own technology and our algorithms, which then makes external customers that much more comfortable that there's already an installed base that's already an operator who's used, who is using these algorithms effectively.
And I think that that's a huge advantage to selling these solutions externally once As Dr. Berger mentioned, once these solutions start being more ubiquitous, which was going to occur at such time where there's third party reimbursement from commercial and other payers that will follow is there remind me of one other point I want to make we do have a potential built in marketplace for ourselves with our hospital joint venture partners.
Howard Berger
And I can't I can't overestimate that enough that most of these hospital systems will want to use the tools that we're developing, if not for hospitals that are part of our joint venture, but other parts of their systems where we may not be a joint venture partner with them perhaps in other states or in other areas, number one and the and the ability to have a seamless and flow of data between inpatient and outpatient, which will create the kind of efficiencies that will help reduce costs.
So I'm not give a number the number we probably have it's 30 or more different large health systems that are we have 24 JVs that you have as a company encompassing 130 locations Okay, but those hospital systems have other hospitals that we're not necessarily a JV with. So there's a pretty big marketplace out there where we'll have a very receptive audience and that you'll not only want to potentially use our tools to help unify their entire radiology platform on an outpatient and inpatient basis.
Gary Taylor
Thank you.
Operator
Next question comes from Larry Solow with CJS. Securities. Please go ahead.
Larry Solow
Great. Good morning, gentlemen. And I'll echo the congrats on a solid finish to a really good year. And I guess the first question for me, Mark, is I think you mentioned NAM targeting at the 8% to 8.5% revenue growth in the imaging segment. All in. How does that if we look at just volume growth in 2023 in pursuit of our growth, same-store procedure growth is actually above kind of that 3.4% sorry, annual target every quarter.
I'm not saying we're reaching an inflection point, but it but how do you view that growth last year? What are you kind of targeting this year in that sort of 8% overall 8% overall revenue growth and I realize may made a comp percentage of that is from acquisition or whatever that net is six, 7%. How do you view that volume versus price because also on price, if we look last year, I think average price per procedure was also up about 3%. And so how do you kind of view those two components as you look out for this year?
Mark Stolper
Sure. So on the procedure volume front, typically we've told our stakeholders over the long term, we felt that we could grow kind of in the low single digits on a same-center basis. Obviously, that becomes harder the more efficient you get and how the busier centers are. But we've been making a lot of capital investments and investments in technology to be able to drive better throughput into our centers to continue to comp in sort of the low to mid single digits on a same-center basis.
And those are investments in these MRI scanners that Dr. Berger talked about that allow for shorter scanning times that remote technologists, which allows us to open up on nights and weekends and get coverage from a labor perspective. We've done a bunch of things at our centers to trying to get patients in and out of our centers more quickly with digital check-ins and on better clinical protocols and so on and so forth. So I'm embedded in next year's guidance of 8.5 plus percent growth.
We are assuming mid low single digit same-store sales performance, which you look at 2023, and we did even better than that in throughout the year. We were north of 5%, 6% in terms of our same center performance. And then the rest of it are the contributions of other centers that either weren't we're opened or purchased that we're in in the same center calculation going from 2023 to 2024. So and I think it's it possible that we can do better than that? Yes, yes, absolutely.
Given all some of the tailwinds that we talked about in the industry that are trends that are driving more and more as the patient flow out of more expensive hospitals and inpatient imaging towards ambulatory outpatient imaging, a lot of these advances in technology, the on the benefits that we're seeing in certain modalities like a PET/CT like the PSMA. test and the Alzheimer's imaging which we talked about. So I think all of those things are contributing to a more robust than and historical same-center potential here for us. So we'll see how the year kind of unfolds.
Larry Solow
And then in terms of just pricing, you guys, obviously on the government side is still a little bit of a headwind there. But and because I just looked at for the full year, average price per procedure was actually up 3% ish. And I realize some of that's just a mix to the higher modalities, but you're getting actual price on the commercial side, but that more than offsets the inflationary pressures?
Mark Stolper
Yes, we are at a thanks for reminding me to talk about price. As you mentioned, we are we are facing a small headwind with Medicare pricing as a result of the lowering of the conversion factor, the Medicare fee schedule by 3.4%. And that's not being that's not specific to radiology. You anybody who builds under the physician fee schedule, the Medicare physician fee schedule regardless of specialty is facing that hit.
And for us, that's about a $7 million to $8 million headwind, but that that is dwarfed by the pricing increases that we're getting from our commercial book of business and from our capitated payers in our capitation contracts, although we're very effective in managing utilization on utilization of diagnostic imaging still goes up every year because of all of that benefits of technology and the aging population and so on. And so forth. And so as that utilization goes up, we get pricing escalators in these contracts. So we benefit from that on each year.
And then on the commercial front, I would say that the pay or so on Arden more recognizing that we are their partners in trying to move this business and shift this business out of the more expensive hospitals into our freestanding centers. And in most of our markets and our hospitals, the hospitals for the inpatient work are charging anywhere between two times and five times the prices that we're charging the pay or so.
The payers recognize that it's far far more beneficial to them to getting this business to shifting the site of care and they're less concerned about paying RadNet, a couple of points or 3%, 4% more to do this type of work because we've got a staff of a couple of hundred plus marketing representatives do purpose in life is to go around and call on physician practices and tried to get this business into our centers and out of hospital so on, we did experience pricing increases, which benefited us and last year in our 2023 results. And we've got a number of pricing increases going into effect in 2024. That will impact our revenue positively this year.
Larry Solow
Great. And if I could just squeeze one more in just on the breast cancer question. Tough comp. I think you mentioned, Mark, East Coast penetration or adoption on the East Coast center is somewhere in the 30 ish range. Curious or has that been I know it sort of increased during the year last year. Do you expect that number to continue to increase as your marketing efforts improve and you learn some more as well and not just West Coast, is that that a similar number in on I'm low 30s from the start and that grows as well.
Mark Stolper
Yes. So we are approaching close to 35% adoption rate in EBCD. on the East Coast, which is more and more mature obviously than the West Coast. We started rolling out the West Coast in the fourth quarter of last year. We are completed in the roll out here in Southern California. We've got about 18 more centers in California, where we're complete in Southern California and Arizona. We've got eight more 18 more centers in Northern California and Central California to roll out the ABCDI. program.
These are obviously mammo centers as well. Seeing the rollout has been a little bit slower on the West Coast than originally intended, but we what we are seeing is much higher initial adoption rates on the West Coast. Our West Coast adoption rates in currently are over 30%. It took the East Coast many, many months to get to that level. And part of why we're being more successful in the West Coast isn't so much that there's differences in the patient population. It's just that we learned a lot from the East Coast rollout.
And we took those learnings and which we were much more effective at at communicating the program to the patients to the referring physicians. We've done more in market marketing and and we started off with the $40 price here on the West Coast. And when we originally started on the East Coast, we were at a $60 price, which I think created some level of resistance in the adoption rate. So I think we're fairly bullish as we continue to roll out this program, which is embedded in our guidance.
In other words, we are our revenue was close to $13 million in the A. and the EBCD. program recognized by the division in 2023, and that should go somewhere into the low 20s in 2024. So we're talking about 65% ish growth just in that program within our digital health segment in 2024. And I'm just curious how I mentioned might take a couple of years before you actually get your coverage. But is it too early to think about or have you gotten interest from outside centers outside of your network and for this?
Howard Berger
Well, I think we do have some interest, but interestingly enough where it may be coming from our people that self-insure and so in line at least two of our hospital joint venture groups who they are now are extending the EBCD. program to their employees and dependents.
And in fact, in New Jersey, the Barnabas Health System, the RWJ. guidance, Selsun is rolling this out as a benefit that they're going to be paying for I believe it's April 1.
Mark Stolper
We have about 30,000 employees and dependents.
Howard Berger
I think this actually may be a different form of marketing before we're going to see adoption by the commercial payers. But one may follow from the other because as if the if I use New Jersey, as an example, they're a TPA that third party administrator happens to be on the BlueCross BlueShield entity horizon in New Jersey, and they essentially are going to be paying the for these procedures as part of the RWJ. Barnabas benefit program.
Once they see the evidence of how beneficial this is, it may be easier to sell them, meaning horizon and a more larger market approach to the use of this. So all of these are tools that I think we're in a unique position to do because of the way we are concentrated in markets and the kind of conversations that we can have are they not just being kind of a one-off provider in any particular market.
Larry Solow
Got it. Thank you for all that color.
Howard Berger
Appreciate it. Thanks, Larry.
Operator
Next question comes from Ed Kressler with Angelo Gordon. Please go ahead.
Ed Kressler
Hey, guys. Congrats on a great quarter and year and always thanks for your time to take a chance to speak with us. Appreciate it. And can you discuss how you're funding the Houston acquisition and the effect on pro forma leverage? And obviously, given what we discussed here in terms of your regional density strategy, should we be thinking about kind of next steps as more M&A on possible JVs in that area? Or will you pivot to some de novo activity there.
And then in the context of just kind of spending down some of that balance sheet cash that you derived from the equity offering, can you talk about your comfort level regarding leverage as you spin that down? Thanks so much.
Mark Stolper
Sure. Thanks, Ed. So if you remember when we did the equity raise back in June of last year where we raised about $245 million of net proceeds. We earmarked about $100 million of that $245 million of proceeds to a potential debt paydown. And then in October 1 of last year, we did pay down $30 million of that $100 million. And we communicated at the time we did that, that we wanted to hold on with some more of that cash because we had other opportunities that we thought were very accretive for our shareholders for all of our stakeholders for the use of that cash. When we did that, we had the Houston deal in mind, and you'll see in our 10-K that we paid about $30 million for that for that practice.
There's other things in our pipeline that that will also come. It would be a use of those proceeds that we that we raised back in 2000 that back last year in June. And so we so we so that deal will be paid for in cash. And after that, we'll still have a pretty robust cash balance that we'll continue to use, not only for other investments like M&A, but also capital investments in de novo centers as well.
You know, some of the IT investments that were that were making. But clearly, we have some a lot of firepower, a lot of capacity, not only with the $342 million of cash we ended up ended with at year end, and we have $195 million unfunded undrawn upon revolving line of credit. Our leverage, our net debt leverage ratio is now below two times. And so we have a lot of debt capacity. So we certainly have the capacity to continue to grow this business and execute on M&A opportunities. If they should arise.
Ed Kressler
Got it. And do you think you will and pursue a denovo strategy in that area as well? Are you going to kind of just marinate in the market and learn it for a while. First, are you talking specifically about Houston yet?
Howard Berger
Yes. And I think our strategy in Houston will be similar to what it's been and other new markets that we've entered into, although we haven't been for four years. But then where we're looking at other acquisition opportunities, probably a couple of denovos and then wait to see who shows any interest if there if there is any from existing hospital operators in that market. But I would say for the next year or two, certainly it will be mostly acquisitions and de novos, but maybe a more of an emphasis on the acquisition side of it rather than the de novo side of it.
Ed Kressler
Got it. Thank you so much for your time. Appreciate it.
Mark Stolper
Thanks.
Operator
Next question comes from Jim Sidoti with Sidoti & Co.
Jim Sidoti
Good morning. I know it's been a long call, so I'll try and be quick. Thank you for the time, though. On So quick one, how many centers do you have of operating as of today?
Howard Berger
As of today, we have 366 new entry that maybe more than that? I take it back because when you say today, you mean in the calendar first quarter so far this year?
Jim Sidoti
Right.
Howard Berger
Yes, we've made some other small acquisitions were probably in a couple of denovos and they have finally opened up, if you will, but we probably are somewhere around 373, 372 right now we expect by year end with all the activities, some of which we've talked about, the Novell's and acquisitions to be around 400.
Jim Sidoti
Okay. And the revenue guidance you provided last night, does that include on the seven centers in Texas and additional centers you expect to come online?
Mark Stolper
Yes, we know it well, it includes the seven centers in Texas from the point that we end up closing that deal, which will be during the second quarter, will close it on. It does not include any other acquisitions that have yet to be announced Okay. Can you just make a comment on reimbursement rates in Texas and how they compare to the reimbursement on how it compares to reimbursement on the coast?
Howard Berger
It's going to be I can assure you it's going to be better. The Coast is a challenging environment here, both in Arizona as well as California, primarily because in Arizona, there's is a large Medicare population. And in Arizona, there's a large managed care population as well as Medicare population.
So on our original due diligence of I should have said that we're comfortable with the reimbursement rates in Texas being significantly better than they are in Arizona and California yet with more commercial patients, less government pay.
Jim Sidoti
Yes. Okay. And then two more quick ones on the guidance you gave for interest expense for 2024. Is that net of any interest income yield you'll gain on the rest of the capital you raised in 2023 or is it just straight interest expense?
Mark Stolper
Yes. Thank you for asking that. And yes, it's net of two things. One is it's net of any payments to and from our swap counterparties and it's also net of interest income to be earned on our cash balance. Okay. That's how we reported our debt, which is how we reported our cash interest expense for this year of 38 -- excuse me, for 2023 of $38.3 million.
So it's increasing I assume because the increase in rates. But as as you progress through the year generate more free cash flow, assuming rates don't continue to go up at some point, that number should start to come down again, I guess depending on your acquisition activity yes, I think in 2023, we received about $14 million on our interest rate swaps from counterparties because of the in-the-money nature of our swaps.
Jim Sidoti
And I'm just saying our overall interest expense, while it's going up because this year you would think at some point because of the strong free cash flow generation you have, but that number should start to at least level off in '25, '26 those years?
Mark Stolper
Yes.
Jim Sidoti
Okay. And then last one for me. On the AI. business, is there any pushback at all from the from the physicians on that product, are they happy to get the support and they have plenty of other things they can do when you say physicians are you talking about on a radiologist or the referring, right. No radiologist or radiologists at all. Give me any kind of pushback to actually I'm happy to.
Howard Berger
Yes. And on the country that would be very upset if we took it away from them. So I think on radiologists in virtually all the radiologists where we introduce this to feel that they have a greater confidence level, it's almost like getting for them. And second, we need a second opinion and one that helps them better analyze areas that are less visible to the human eye. So it's been an overwhelming success within our radiology, a community of Memova first.
Jim Sidoti
And I assume you're not seeing any negative financial impact if this technology gets adopted?
Howard Berger
No, there's no I mean, that's really up to the patient. The patient can elect to have this procedure of value added to their scan or not. So it's their it's their choice.
Jim Sidoti
Right, right. But what the radiologist fees are that their fees are the same, whether the patient adoption is or elects to do this or not?
Howard Berger
Yes, yes.
Jim Sidoti
Okay. Just wanted to be clear on that. All right. thank you.
Operator
This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Dr. Berger for any closing remarks.
Howard Berger
And I thank you again. I would like to take this effort to thank all of our shareholders and stakeholders for their continued support and the employees of RadNet for their dedication and hard work management to Management will continue its endeavor to be a market leader that provides great services with an appropriate return on investment for all stakeholders. Thank you for your time today and look forward to our next chat.
Operator
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