Q4 2023 Stereotaxis Inc Earnings Call
Participants
David Fischel; Chief Executive Offer & Chairman of the Board; Stereotaxis Inc
Kimberly Peery; Chief Financial Officer; Stereotaxis Inc
Frank Takkinen; Analyst; Lake Street Capital Markets, LLC
Jason Wittes; Analyst; Roth MKM
Alex Nowak; Analyst; Craig-Hallum Capital Group LLC
Adam Maeder; Analyst; Piper Sandler & Co.
Presentation
Operator
Good afternoon. Thank you for joining us for Stereotaxis Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2023 earnings conference call. Certain statements during the conference call and question-and-answer period to follow may relate to future events expectations and as such, constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Such statements involve known and unknown risks uncertainties and other factors which may cause the actual results, performance or achievements of the Company in the future to be materially different from the statements that the Company's executives may make today. These risks are described in detail in our public filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including our latest periodic report on Form 10 K or 10 Q. We assume no duty to update these statements.
(Operator Instructions) As a reminder, today's call is being recorded, and it is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to your host, David Fischel, Chairman and CEO of Stereotaxis.
David Fischel
Thank you, operator, and good afternoon, everyone. It's a very exciting, productive, busy challenging and promising period for Stereotaxis. We are glad to be entering this year, having made significant progress towards realizing our strategic transformation given where we stand, we have high confidence in the key puzzle pieces of this strategy coming together in the coming months, putting Stereotaxis on solid strategic foundation and providing line of sight to when commercial breakouts are possible. We are driving this progress against the backdrop of various challenges, which highlight the merits of our strategy. It is always helpful to view one's position in a broader context, it's being our annual call. I want to use the occasion to step back and provide that perspective. I'll then share specific updates on our innovation and commercial efforts. Kim will then provide details on our financial results, and we will open the line to questions.
Stereotaxis overarching mission is to improve minimally invasive endovascular surgery with the precision safety and unique capabilities of robots. We are the pioneer and global leader in endovascular robotics and have demonstrated the clinical relevance and value of our technology in robust real-world use at over 100 hospitals that have treated 150,000 patients despite having pioneered a highly differentiated and advanced technology that works reliably in the real world and provides meaningful clinical value. Stereotaxis has a long history of commercial struggles. After joining Stereotaxis, I recognize that these struggles could be traced to structural weaknesses with our product ecosystem. These weaknesses put Stereotaxis in a challenging position with commercial disadvantages and strategic dependencies and made adoption of robotics very difficult even for our strongest advocates. We identified three key structural issues. First, in our core existing market, electrophysiology, cardiac ablation procedures for the treatment of arrhythmias. We built our business dependent on Johnson & Johnson. We were only integrated with their diagnostic mapping system and they manufacture the ablation catheter used in every one of our procedures that dependency Limited, the ability for patients and physicians to benefit from continuous innovation, created commercial challenges and provided Johnson & Johnson rather than Stereotaxis with the majority of economic value from every robotic procedure.
Second, installing our robotic system in a cath lab is a significant construction process requiring architectural planning rooms, shielding and reinforcement, special electrical work and hiring contractors, which all add complexity, time, effort and expense. This process leads to very long sales cycles and a high bar for adoption. The vast majority of interested potential customers ultimately never succeed in getting a system.
Third, while Stereotaxis' robotic technology is designed as a platform technology enabling the treatment of a broad spectrum of complex endovascular procedures. The company did not offer the interventional tools to allow for this expansion of indications being limited to one specific procedure as large and attractive as the cardiac ablation market is doesn't provide for healthy diversification and full appreciation of our opportunity being clear-eyed and intellectually honest was the first step in improvement. We worked hard over the subsequent years to formulate a comprehensive and elegant strategy to address these weaknesses. Strategy was creative and required significant innovations, but was realistic for us to accomplish while controlling technological and financial risk. It was attractive in providing strategic independence and the opportunity for substantial commercial breakout. Most importantly, it fundamentally improves and broadens our product offering for the patients, physicians and hospitals that rely on that Stereotaxis has advanced its comprehensive innovation strategy over several years through the development process. 2024 is the year in which we expect all the key puzzle pieces to come together, setting us up with multiple shots on goal for breakout growth in 2025.
A few updates on the key innovation efforts Sockolow in our existing cardiac ablation market. Our key effort has been to address our strategic dependency, develop a proprietary ablation catheter and create an open ecosystem around our robot. We are we were delighted today to announce initial clinical results and regulatory submissions for the magic catheter, our proprietary advanced robotically navigated ablation catheter. Following our earnings call last November, we received approvals to initiate a human clinical trial of magic in both Mr. Lanier and Dennis Juliet University in Lithuania enrolled its first patient at the start of this year and completed enrollment of the 20th patient in January. The results from these initial procedures were stellar and were summarized by the physicians in a manuscript recently submitted for publication in a prominent electrophysiology journal across these 20 patients ranging ranging in age from young adults to the elderly and suffering a range of arrhythmias. There was 100% acute success in treating the ready meals and no adverse events or device or procedure-related safety events, additional patients beyond these 20 have been treated in both Australia and Denmark with consistent positive results beyond stellar clinical outcomes.
Qualitative commentary from all the physicians who participated in the trial was very positive, reinforcing our confidence in the impact Magic will have on patients and physicians. We resubmitted the magic catheter to the European notified body and believe the data fully addresses the requests made last summer where we were told clinical data would be necessary to be granted CE mark under the more rigorous MDR requirements. We also submitted the magic catheter for U.S. regulatory approval as a PMA supplement to the FDA. Clinical data adds to a substantial body of bench preclinical clinical and published clinical literature supporting the value of robotic cardiac ablation generally and the safety and effectiveness of Magic. Specifically, while there is always uncertainty with any regulatory submission, we do believe we made strong submissions and have received feedback to that effect from experts in our field. We look forward to working collaboratively with the regulatory bodies in the coming months to ensure the magic catheter becomes available for the patients and physicians who depend on the launch of Magic will benefit from our strong collaboration with Abbott and last year's successful launch of the mapping integration with Abbott and site X mapping system. We are seeing continued expansion in the adoption of our integrated technologies in both the US and Europe. This is a significant strategic collaboration in its early phases, and we are delighted with how our progressing.
The second major initiative in our innovation strategy was to address the challenges and complexities of adopting robots. We developed a smaller self shielding robot that significantly enhances its accessibility by removing the requirement for cath lab construction. We discussed on the last call our balanced approach to the timing of a regulatory submission such that approval of the robot aligns approximately with market availability of Magic. The robot has gone through design freeze and now begun formal testing. We are confident in regulatory submissions in both the United States and Europe in the second quarter and expect to regulatory clearance in Europe midyear. Our experience selling Genesis gives us daily visibility into the time line shifts and hospital construction delays that slow adoption even at sites that are most motivated to build a robotic program. This experience reinforces our confidence that the availability of a smaller and more accessible robot, something that can be installed without construction will serve as a significant structural improvement to the pace and scale of adoption following approval, we plan to use the current year to demonstrate the reality of the robot in real-world use, enhance compatibility of the robot with various x-rays and prepare supply chain, manufacturing, installation and commercial processes for a full launch in 2025.
Our third strategic innovation effort is development of a family of interventional guidewires guide catheters that expand the benefits of our robot into new endovascular indications with five specific multi-billion dollar opportunities being targeted neuro interventions, coronary angioplasty Peripheral Interventions, tumor embolization and triple-A graft. First, Guidewire is fully designed and in conjunction with our contract manufacturer, we have been grinding through the challenges of establishing high quality and robust manufacturing processes. We expect to complete the manufacturing and testing of the significant number of guidewires necessary for a regulatory submission in the middle of this year and still expect commercial availability of the Guidewire late in the year. Once we have made regulatory submissions, we will host an Innovation Day to allow several key physicians from multiple specialties to share their perspective and experience with where our robotic technology can add critical value in the broader field of endovascular surgery. These three innovations, the magic catheter, newer mobile robot and endovascular devices are our strategic response to the three structural limitations described earlier, we have line of sight to them attaining key regulatory approvals and commencing commercialization in 2024 with growing commercial impact in 2025. Beyond these big three innovations, we were fortunate to nurture two additional opportunistic growth drivers that are synergistic and additive to our core efforts in China, we entered into a strategic collaboration with MicroPort to establish add to establish a China-specific EP product ecosystem. Microport recently submitted to China's NMPA regulatory body, the robotically navigated ablation catheter we developed together, we have completed mapping integration with our Columbus mapping system and Genesis, as expected, received Chinese regulatory approval midyear. As this core product ecosystem is available, we expect to benefit from MicroPort substantial commercial footprint already servicing hundreds of hospitals.
Our second synergistic and opportunistic venture is a digital surgery platform that enables broad operating room connectivity, both alongside our robotic platform and independently in non-robotic labs to sync cloud-based connectivity app has been released internally for our team in preparation for an external release. We are still finalizing remaining hardware, firmware and software efforts with the Synchrony integrated display capability, but expect to begin formal regulatory testing in the second quarter, followed by submissions in summer. We will continue a soft launch of things till then, but plan for a full launch of Synchrony and St. As a combined solution, enabling streamlined workflow connectivity and collaboration broadly in any operation, Synchrony hardware will provide an incremental upfront capital sales opportunity while SYNC will be available with a freemium SaaS business model with premium subscriptions for hospitals, medical device salesforces and physician users. I recognize our progress has taken longer than expected and faced unforeseen challenges with key regulatory submissions and technology developments done. We see the puzzle pieces falling into place this year. While there is risk and uncertainty with any regulatory process, our strategy is derisked with multiple shots on goal in each of our three key geographies, the United States, Europe and China. We have the opportunity for a full ecosystem coming together and driving breakout growth. The opportunity in any individual geography can dwarf our current entire business. We are driving this innovation transformation while working hard to ensure our commercial momentum and financial strength are preserved. We continue to see signs of commercial progress with positive feedback and utilization of Genesis as well as capital interest in Genesis from both existing users and completely new customers in the fourth quarter, we were excited to receive a Genesis order from a greenfield hospital in Germany. Germany as a country was one of the most enthusiastic earliest adopters of the first NIOBE system. And then also, unfortunately the region with the strongest backlash for robotics, given that first NIOBE systems were launched, prematurely to see our installed base grow with new physician users in Germany is particularly encouraging. Given that historical context, the order represented our 12th greenfield robotic order globally since the launch of Genesis and our 24th order.
Overall, we begin 2024 with $14.7 million in backlog from orders that were received, but not yet shipped or installed. While we continue to see a healthy pipeline of greenfield and replacement cycle customers for Genesis. Overall, progress is slow beyond the well understood challenges of closing a substantial capital sale for a system that requires hospital construction. Several electrophysiologists have expressed their concern with the recurring catheter shortages of Johnson & Johnson and the awareness of the dependency on J & J's catheters in absence of our own Magic catheter as a replacement, while this has not deterred some hospitals from moving forward. It serves as an additional risk item that extends due diligence and delayed purchase decisions. We believe our regulatory submissions of Magic will partially help. And then obviously, receipt of approvals will address this concern. Despite this pressure, we expect a continued pace of robotic system orders and sales with expected growth for both in 2024 compared to 2023. Our recurring revenue was also impacted by the catheter shortage from J&J, which impacted procedure volumes as well as the loss of royalty payments from J&J, which created a $2 million headwind to both our top and bottom line results. We continue to see inconsistent availability of the J&J catheter flare up in various geographies and accounts, but expect overall recurring revenue in 2024 to be consistent, what's 2023.
Our burn rate in 2023 was lower than 2022 despite these revenue challenges, so the absolute burn rate was still higher than what we expected. Our balance sheet remains strong with approximately $20 million cash and no debt. We are cognizant of the importance of financial prudence and are confident our existing balance sheet allows us to advance our transformative product ecosystem to market and fund its commercialization. We have already invested a significant inventory of direct commercial team globally that are well-suited to launch the new products as they become available. We expect a lower burn rate in 2024 compared to 2023, driven by increased Genesis robotic revenue and reduced cash outflows as some of the most significant R&D spending is behind us, and we take our inventory purchasing Kim will now provide additional commentary on our financial results, and then I will make a few financial comments as well before opening the call to Q&A.
Kim?
Kimberly Peery
Thank you, David, and good afternoon, everyone. revenue for the fourth quarter of 2023 totaled $4.6 million compared to $7.3 million in the prior year fourth quarter. System revenue was $0.1 million and recurring revenue was $4.5 million compared to $2.2 million and $5.1 million in the prior year fourth quarter. System revenue was abnormally weak due to delays in hospital construction schedules and no shipments being made. As a result, recurring revenue was in line with recent quarters, but below the prior year level due to Stereotaxis no longer receiving royalty payments from Johnson & Johnson revenue for the full year 2023 totaled $26.8 million compared to $28.1 million in 2022.
Full year system revenue was $8.7 million compared to $6.8 million in the prior year, reflecting increased system deliveries and installation. We started 2024 with system backlog of $14.7 million. Full year recurring revenue was $18 million compared to $21.3 million reflecting the continued absence of the J&J royalty and periodic catheter shortages by Johnson & Johnson.
Gross margin for the fourth quarter and full year 2023 were approximately 60% and 56% of revenue. For the full year 2023, we reported gross margin of 79% on recurring revenue and 8% for system revenue. System gross margins continue to reflect relatively low production volumes combined with significant allocations to fixed overhead and related expenses.
Operating expenses in the fourth quarter were $8 million. Excluding $2.6 million in non-cash stock compensation expense, adjusted operating expenses in the current quarter were $5.4 million compared to prior year adjusted operating expenses of $6.2 million. Adjusted operating expenses for the full year 2023 were $26.2 million compared with $26.8 million in the prior year.
Operating loss and net loss for the fourth quarter of 2023 were $5.3 million and $5 million compared to $4.5 million and $4.2 million in the previous year. Adjusted operating loss and adjusted net loss for the quarter, excluding non-cash stock compensation expense were $2.7 million and $2.4 million compared to $1.9 million and $1.6 million in the previous year. For the full year 2023, adjusted operating loss of $11.3 million, and adjusted net loss of $10.2 million compared to an adjusted operating loss of $8.3 million and an adjusted net loss of $7.8 million in the prior year.
Negative free cash flow for the full year 2023 was $9.1 million compared to $10.8 million for the full year 2022. At December 31, we had cash and cash equivalents of $20.6 million and no debt.
I will now hand the call back to David.
David Fischel
Thank you, Kim. We are cognizant that accurately guiding revenue has been challenging and there has been significant volatility in quarterly revenue results as any individual robot sale has a significant impact on the quarter. Humbled by that experience, we are providing specific revenue guidance only for this current first quarter of 2024, in which we expect revenue of approximately $7 million.
Looking at the full year 2024, we generally expect recurring revenue to remain stable until MAGIC can contribute to disposable revenue growth. We expect continued growth in system revenue through conversion of our $14.7 million backlog and new system orders with system revenue growth driving overall double-digit revenue growth for the year, expect our bolus of innovation to play a decisive role in driving breakout revenue growth in 2025 and beyond.
We will now take your questions. Operator, can you please open the line to Q&A?
Question and Answer Session
Operator
(Operator Instructions) Frank Takkinen, Lake Street Capital Markets.
Frank Takkinen
Great. Thanks for taking the questions. Maybe to start with the MAGIC catheters submissions and the EU submission, how should we handicap that being a resubmitted file? I assume that there's a little bit more certainty that they'll come back with a clearance on that now that they've had a chance to really review it once and they made their request.
But maybe is there any way to kind of risk adjust that given it's already been looked at once?
And then two on the FDA side, one was that submitted, is that a standard 180 day review or how should we think about the process between now and the clearance expectation you put out there?
David Fischel
Yes. Hi, Frank. Thanks for the questions. So and generally, I want to state that we're in. We're not going to give a lot of commentary on regulatory submissions or the review during the review period. Other than that, we think we made a strong submission and obviously, we're going to work collaboratively with the reviewers over the coming months and look forward to working collaboratively with them.
And your commentary on the EU submission, you're correct and it is a resubmission of the vast, vast majority of the information with just and the addition of the clinical data. And we are fortunate that the reviewers and are the same reviewers that looked at the submission a year ago. And so that should support the review process in a more efficient fashion.
There's no statutory time limit of the review.
So we are obviously beholden to the notified body and when they're able to review things. But a given given the history there and given the multiple discussions that took place last year, we do we are hopeful and believe it's reasonable to assume that this will be a much more efficient process. And with the U.S. FDA, this is a 180 day PMA supplement, and we expect to work collaboratively with FDA during the review process. And it wouldn't be surprising if during that review process. And we do kind of have additional questions and discussions with FDA. So we're not I wouldn't kind of I think that necessarily the 180 days has to be the way it's going to play out. But overall it is a 180 day PMA supplement process.
Frank Takkinen
Okay. That's perfect. And then maybe thinking about once those clearances occur, how should we think about how quickly the uptake could occur within the installed base, maybe starting with how many procedures you're doing today would be helpful context. And then how quickly you can roll that the magic catheter into your established sites and swap out the old catheter for the new ones.
David Fischel
Sure. So we've talked before about doing under 10,000 procedures a year with approximately 40%, 45% of that volume in Europe; 40%, 45% of that volume in the US; and about 10%, 20% of that volume in Asia. And so that's kind of the overall installed base. So we have several thousand procedures a year each in both Europe and the US. And we we've talked about previously the structural barriers in Europe where in certain geographies and certain countries, certain regions you do pursue then at local tenders after you have CE. mark, while in others, really the only structural barrier is a contract with the hospital and setting a price with the hospital. And generally, I would expect given also the fact that we are gaining a real-world clinical experience with the catheter currently through the through the clinical trial, I would expect a relatively and quicker ramp in catheter adoption as it becomes available and the things that we have to do in tandem with gaining regulatory approval is and scaling of manufacturing and building up sufficient stock for ag for a commercial launch. And then also the work that we're doing with Abbott to add to convert existing users which historically were predominantly using Johnson & Johnson's mapping system to using the current integrated offering with them with Abbott, that will also be beneficial in accelerating adoption. So those are the things we think about as we think about adoption, but overall expect to see a relatively rapid transition and over for, let's say, a handful of quarters.
Frank Takkinen
Okay.. That's helpful. I'll stop there. Thanks taking the questions.
David Fischel
Thank you.
Operator
Jason Wittes, ROTH MKM.
Jason Wittes
I have answering the questions and congrats on the submission here in terms of you just kind of highlighted a little bit, but in terms of the this year's outlook, should we expect anything from Magic this year? Or is it really a 2025 event.
David Fischel
We didn't discuss that, and thanks for joining us, Jason, and glad to have you on the call again. And we are we didn't incorporate any and revenue from magic in the in the commentary we provided in terms of how we generally think about this year's revenue. And that said, it would be surprising if we do not generate some revenue from it from magic in the back half of this year. And it will really be dependent on the timing of regulatory approval in terms of how much how much to expect. And so I think until we don't until we don't have that approval in hand, it's hard for us to estimate how much to contribute. But I but I would definitely expect that we get that at least one approval prior to the end of this year was the chance for Magic to start to contribute to recurring revenue.
Jason Wittes
Okay. That's helpful. Thanks.
And also appreciate the backlog information of [$4.7 million]. I mean, roughly what is the expectation in terms of how long those take to get placed US in a hospital.
David Fischel
Sure. So and so just that it is $14.7 million (multiple speakers)
Jason Wittes
I said that wrong information, yeah.
David Fischel
And so overall, we would estimate and I'm looking at Kim right now, she wants it correctly that typically you would estimate that approximately 80% of that will be recognized as revenue and getting the sums up.
So that seems correct where about 80% of that should be recognized within a given year.
We have seen scenarios where hospitals that were planning to take delivery at a specific date pushed back that date during due to their own challenges. And so there is and there's not guarantees of that playing out as we've seen even up till the fourth quarter, obviously in the results of our fourth quarter but at. But generally that 80% within one year for backlog is a general rule that hold.
Jason Wittes
Okay. That's helpful. And then last question, just in terms of supply issues with the current catheter and any updates from your suppliers, are there any change in outlook or how should we be thinking about this for 2024?
David Fischel
Yes. So just to be clear, the catheter shortages are not from a supplier of ours nor from a company that we have any control over this is all related to that dependency, which I described before were Johnson & Johnson independently manufacturers. It sells and supplies the magnetic ablation catheters that are used alongside our robot and so we do not have control over them or even influence over them in the same way that we would have influenced with a with a supplier that we have hired and worked with. We have seen this crop this cropped up over a year ago now about a year and a half ago, we have seen and it continued shortages at that flare up in various specific geographies, various accounts. And there is a randomness to it, though it does definitely pressure the physicians and hospitals that rely on our technology and create disturbances to their normal practices. And so I think given where we stand right now, it seems like the intensity and distribution of those flare-ups doesn't seem worse than it was a year ago. And so it seems like overall and the numbers this year should look similar to last year, but there is an aspect of dependency there. And that, again speaks to how and how valuable and important having magic on the market will be.
Jason Wittes
Great. Thanks. I'll jump back in queue.
David Fischel
Thank you very much, Jason.
Operator
Alex Nowak, Craig Hallum.
Alex Nowak
Okay, great. Good afternoon, everyone.
Not continuing the manufacturing question there. Just with regards to the magic, if you do get the approvals, let's just say second half of this year for both Europe and U.S., how quickly can you ramp up manufacturing?
David Fischel
Hi, Alex, thanks and good afternoon. And so overall that is something that we've been working with Otsuka, our contract manufacturing partner in Germany to improve as they have significant experience manufacturing, thousands of units have various interventional devices. And so they have the organizational capabilities to do that with every product does its own scaling effort during the at formal regulatory testing of Magic, we did produce I believe it was nearly 1,000 units of the catheter. So they demonstrated their capability to scale manufacturing add to those to that type of level we are working with them have been working with them. We'll continue working with them so that they can scale to the point where we're able to service the entire European and U.S. installed base. And I think that probably reaching that level still over the course of this year is probably aggressive, but but that's what we're shooting for. And there are all sorts of incentives in place to increase to increase that manufacturing.
Alex Nowak
Okay. That is great. To hear maybe expand on the qualitative commentary with the physicians who were using magic in the European study. Just what are they like about it versus the J&J device specifically.
David Fischel
Sure, so I had I had the good fortune of being able to actually watch at eight procedures when I visited Vilnius University and in January and then and I think that kind of it. Obviously, you recognize that the financial, the strategic and the independence of benefits of having the catheter, the fact that the catheter serves as the enabling technology for our mobile robot. So all of those are kind of the more strategic aspects from our side. And from a clinician's perspective, how does the catheter benefit the patient and the physician I'd say that that some of the main benefits that were described by the physicians, one was an observation that the stability of the catheter was particularly nice. And we our magnetic catheters are known that one of their key benefits is stability. Oftentimes, that stability is dependent on your approach towards the tissue, and they felt that irrespective of how they approach the tissue with the catheter. They had very, very good stability beyond what typically they considered very good stability with the with the existing magnetic catheters. That was one thing that was particularly called out and the ease of navigation and how that was more intuitive than what they were used to was a second observation that was called out. And then the fact that reduced fluid is required to cool the catheter that said, that should benefit patients that have renal issues or longer procedures. And that just generally that creates a reduced fluid load for patient. And so some of those were some of the things that I remember from my from a visit and from the discussions with physicians, I think kind of those are at some of the key benefits both for patients and physicians as they switch to Magic.
Alex Nowak
Okay, great. And then just last question on are you teeing up any U.S. studies just in case the government know the FDA comes back and request additional U.S. data. Just how quickly could you turn something like that around?
David Fischel
I believe in the coming months, we will have a much clearer feeling coming few months, we'll have a much clearer feeling for the regulatory path in the U.S. given what we've done in Europe. That has been very helpful in in educating us and giving us certain infrastructure to run clinical trials more broadly. And if you step back and think about Stereotaxis as a company, we have a very they're a unique and kind of a special capability in terms of building robots. That's something that almost no other company has very few companies have has demonstrated the capability to build robots that can actually be deployed in real world clinical setting and can work robustly and reliably. And there we have that capability in-house. We did not have a historical expertise and her experience in developing interventional devices. And that doesn't just mean the engineering aspects in the quality, clinical regulatory aspect related to interventional interbody devices. And I think that kind of as we've gone through this process, both from a regulatory perspective, now setting up the clinical trial in Europe and all the testing processes that we went through. That all gives us more of an institutional capability in order to replicate those again in the future. And so I think there is definitely a benefit from what we've now demonstrated. We're able to pull off in Europe and then and depending on how the next few months go, we'll have a feeling on whether that's necessary to start that in the US.
Alex Nowak
Okay, great. I appreciate the update. Thank you.
David Fischel
Thank you very much, Alex.
Operator
Adam Maeder, Piper Sandler.
Adam Maeder
David and Kim, thank you for taking the questions here. I wanted to ask a question on the sales force. With the the MAGIC launch and the mobile launch coming down the pike here, we will look to build out the sales force to support those launches? Is that a 2025 event? Or is the plan to kind of push forward with initial infrastructure? Sorry, the existing infrastructure? And then I had a follow-up. Thanks.
David Fischel
Hi, Adam. Good afternoon and thanks for the questions. So and we have done a small incremental hiring in Europe already late last year, early this year. And in anticipation of a magic launch and ensuring that we have the ability to launch Magic across our installed base with the added level of coverage and service that that would entail and as discussed in the past, as we launch the catheter initially, we would plan to use our existing sales teams both in the US and Europe at two to cover those accounts to launch magic. They are in all of these accounts. They have the relationships we have and we have a good team that has good electrophysiology knowledge. And so they're more than capable of launching the magic catheter in a successful fashion. And we would though start to reinvest any proceeds from the catheter back into and the sales team so that we grow the team and to gradually evolve to something more like a larger players in the space who oftentimes have one or even more than one individual per per account per hospital customer and so I would see us kind of growing that sales team, but we will do it as we're growing the revenue of the natural catheters.
And similarly, on the capital side, I would say that we are we know that with any new robotic system, the scaling of supply chain, manufacturing and deployment of the robot is a process that takes many months and even with the new robot that doesn't have the construction requirements, there are still those styles of infrastructure and kind of process improvements that play out over a period of months and so I'd say that we will probably as we gain approval, we will probably slightly increase the capital sales capability in the relevant geography. And then we'll start to show most of the benefit, though from having the robot is that our existing capital sales teams should be able to be much more effective because we've reduced the complexity and time lines related to their sales work. And so as we start to see that playing out as we start to see the robot, the outturn in the world working successfully and well as we're able to scale our supply chain and manufacturing, then again, will incrementally be building the sales team. And I think that kind of you'll see most of that type of real marketing share and effort in building the commercial team happening in 2025 with some of the preparatory work being done already this year.
Adam Maeder
That's great color. Appreciate that, David. Thank you.
And then for the follow-up, I wanted to switch gears and ask about mobile. If I heard correctly regulate your regulatory submissions both in the US and Europe for Q2 events can you just maybe share what's left to still be done ahead of submission for the regulatory agencies? And just talk about what's informing the confidence there that you're be able to make healthy submissions and ultimately garner regulatory clearance. Thank you.
David Fischel
Sort of So where we are, we have at the formal the full body of formal regulatory testing that you have to do before you can do a submission and there is still various testing that needs to be done there. Most of it done internally with our team. Some of it is done through external testing services that you have to do to an extent alternative testing it and service. And then so that is all expected to play out over the next, let's say, month to couple of months. And then you have to obviously put together all of the documentation for the submission. And that happens concurrent with testing. But there's always some work after you finish the testing process overall, our confidence comes from the fact that we have this is really our expertise robots, and we we went through a process very, very similar to this it's just about four years ago, four, five years ago when we came when we submitted the Genesis robot. And so we have that well, the organizational infrastructure, the muscle memory, the documentation that we can leverage for these types of processes. And we have a skilled team that has that has run this playbook I before, including very recently. And so that gives us the confidence we've had preparatory discussions with regulators. We have clarity on what the regulatory path is and so that gives us kind of that confidence.
Adam Maeder
Helpful. Thank you.
David Fischel
Thank you.
Operator
This concludes today's question and answer session. I would now like to turn the call over to David Fischel for closing remarks.
David Fischel
Okay. Thank you very much for all your thoughtful questions. And for your continued support and look forward to working hard on your behalf this year, bringing about the transformations we promised and speaking again in a couple of months. Thank you.
Operator
This concludes today's call. You may now disconnect.
